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The Major  Nov 17, 2017 • 7:47:16pm

Throwing Franken under the bus while Diaper Dave Vitter was given a pass sends the wrong message, IMNSHO….

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steve_davis  Nov 18, 2017 • 6:10:28am

this is ridiculous. it would be the kind of damage control that Democrats routinely engage in that winds up coming off like a circular firing squad. There’s absolutely no suggestion that Franken actually assaulted someone, other than a very subjective report by someone who is miffed that a skit with coarse sexual humor in it turned out to be coarse. The “groping” is clearly staged and hammed up. It was immature, but Franken wasn’t a senator and his actions speak volumes about his true character.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 18, 2017 • 10:15:10am

I usually agree with Amanda Marcotte but not this time. Why do people keep repeating Tweeden’s claim that her photo shows Franken “groping” her, when he’s clearly not even touching her? It was a tasteless, offensive, juvenile joke, but it was NOT “groping.”

As I wrote yesterday, I don’t think Franken should get away without consequences for this incident - it was wrong and he’s already asked for an ethics review and apologized. He’s not trying to deny or obfuscate anything.

But the idea that by resigning he’d be “taking one for the team” is ludicrous. There’s absolutely nothing any Democrat can do to influence Republican behavior, and we need to stop indulging this dumb fantasy that we can “win” something by harming ourselves - and losing Al Franken at this critical moment in time would definitely harm the Democratic Party and the resistance against the Trump administration.

This article is wrong-headed. We need to start resisting the purists on our own side too, because they always end up hurting us.

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fern01  Nov 18, 2017 • 3:09:36pm

It would seem - even when they are ahead, democrats are their own worse enemies. I am distressed immensely by this thread - thought I had tuned into fox news by mistake.

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CleverToad  Nov 18, 2017 • 3:44:03pm

Ten shades of nope.

Do the hearing. Air the laundry, be it covered in cow flop or lightly smudged. Apply the solar disinfectant. IF the facts warrant resignation, then yes, he should resign, but get the damn facts out there.

What galls me is that she cited our damfool Dem mistakes in handling ACORN and Shirley Sherrod, and then turned right around to say that Franken doesn’t deserve due process. Where’s that desk-flip gif again?

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Romantic Heretic  Nov 18, 2017 • 9:03:56pm

The perfect is the enemy of the good.

That’s the thought that keeps going through my mind when I read articles like this. The inability to differentiate between thoughtless, stupid and evil is a crippling perception problem.

What Franken did was thoughtless.

Most of the stuff the yam does is stupid, with a fair bit of malevolence thrown in.

Roy Moore is evil.

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Thanos  Nov 19, 2017 • 7:57:41am

I would prefer a Senate censure coupled with his apology - I don’t think he should resign. Maybe he loses a commitee seat in favor of someone else… We do need to have the debate about it in the open and represent all sides which is one reason I posted this. We know that Democrats certainly hold higher standards than the GOP, and the take one for the team thing doesn’t work for me either. On the other hand we have two generations of new voters watching this so we can’t just deny or brush it aside. The sentiment here seems to be running 100 percent against resignation, which is a good sign.

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steve_davis  Nov 19, 2017 • 1:06:23pm

re: #7 Thanos

I would prefer a Senate censure coupled with his apology - I don’t think he should resign. Maybe he loses a commitee seat in favor of someone else… We do need to have the debate about it in the open and represent all sides which is one reason I posted this. We know that Democrats certainly hold higher standards than the GOP, and the take one for the team thing doesn’t work for me either. On the other hand we have two generations of new voters watching this so we can’t just deny or brush it aside. The sentiment here seems to be running 100 percent against resignation, which is a good sign.

what should he be censured for? This happened years before he went into the senate. He hasn’t damaged the decorum of the office.

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Thanos  Nov 19, 2017 • 2:05:28pm

re: #8 steve_davis

You are right, this occurred 2006 - while he had proposed running as early as 2003 his PAC did not start until 2005 — so no the Senate doesn’t have reason to censure. That said, he knew he was going to run well before the incident happened and should have had better sense.


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