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Varek Raith  Nov 29, 2018 • 12:25:15pm

So much win.

“…is the equivalent of me making a movie about the Battle of Bunker Hill in which I dress the American colonials in Star Trek uniforms, paint their faces with made-up “Native American” designs … and then shot the film in a Florida parking lot.”

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William Lewis  Nov 29, 2018 • 12:44:44pm

I know.

But I’d love to see that version of Bunker Hill :D

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Alephnaught  Nov 29, 2018 • 3:11:29pm

As a Scot who actually got taught history at school, I’m glad for articles like this. This film “Braveheart”, when it came out, was massively popular in Scotland, and still is. I suspect this might be a combination of the fact [?] that it was the first major Hollywood action epic that took the side of the Scots without being overtly patronising, and did so in the style of a classic rollicking Hollywood action epic a la “Spartacus”; that, and it coincided with the initial transition of the Scottish National Party (SNP) from a fairly small group on the fringe of Scottish politics, to a heavyweight in Scottish politics.

The SNP at the time were quite entryist about “Braveheart”, as in capitalising on it’s success as a campaigning tool. (Disclosure: At this time, I was an active member of the SNP Students, and I still support independence for Scotland.) However, I was a bit wary of this film, thinking: “(a) This is like a modern Hollywood version of Spartacus, only with more violence and definitely more homophobia; and (b) historically speaking, this film is a load of complete and utter bollocks.”

It’s worth noting that the trend for Hollywood movies to sit their Imperial Arse on real life was already noticed in the UK by the 80’s. The Comic Strip’s TV Movies for Channel 4 included, many gems, but one genuine gem was called “The Strike”: in which, a playwright (Played by Alexei Sayle) sells in his work about the 1984-84 Miners Strike to meaning well people who want to make into a drama film, but are, .. well, … idiots. Here’s an early scene.

Banwen comic strip the strike clip 2

tl;dr : It gets much, much MUCH worse, especially when north American money comes in. But it wins Oscars! So, where’s the sequel?

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calochortus  Nov 29, 2018 • 7:07:56pm

re: #2 William Lewis

I know.

But I’d love to see that version of Bunker Hill :D

Wouldn’t we all?

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2018 • 6:56:57am

I wonder how accurate the Chris Pine movie about Robert the Bruce currently streaming is. Hollywood movies should be taken for what they are, entertainment. If you want the real history, you have to read books by real historians.

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dangerman  Nov 30, 2018 • 12:43:39pm

re: #2 William Lewis

I know.

But I’d love to see that version of Bunker Hill :D

if we wait until around June 17, 2475 it might just get produced that way

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William Lewis  Nov 30, 2018 • 7:20:06pm

re: #5 Big Beautiful Door

I wonder how accurate the Chris Pine movie about Robert the Bruce currently streaming is. Hollywood movies should be taken for what they are, entertainment. If you want the real history, you have to read books by real historians.

From what I’ve read, the props, costuming etc is nearly perfect. Look up Tod Cutler for the guy hired to do just the daggers for the film.
The story is probably as close as you’ll get with the confines of TV.
1000% better than Braveheart.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:01:53am

Good read. As someone of Celtic ancestry though I’m of Irish not Scottish, there definitely was something to be said about how Braveheart in how it’s filmed invokes a certain romanticism and I think that’s what they succeeded with especially with audiences but the problem is you are telling history and the trouble of telling history on film is finding the right balance between historical realism and drama. When I was a kid, I ignored a lot of Braveheart’s faults since the drama was compelling. It’s still IMO an entertaining movie but I really look forward to seeing the movie about The Bruce. I’m also looking forward to seeing Black 47 set in my third great grandmother’s ancestral home of County Mayo.

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surlymarv  Dec 3, 2018 • 8:39:25am

re: #5 Big Beautiful Door

It’s far more historically accurate although the face off between Bruce and the Prince of Wales at the end is a bit silly and completely made up. The most glaringly obvious piece of history Outlaw King gets right is not using kilts.


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