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CleverToad  Apr 25, 2020 • 3:27:33pm

Pardon the length here. Ran across another sample of the so-called ‘reasonable other side’ posts floating around my Facebook pages yesterday. Followed by the follow-up noted below, which answered better than I could.

Bree Mullen Driver
April 23 at 7:28 PM
Here ya go …

I was reading some posts for and against reopening the country. One was talking about being selfish and it got me to thinking.

There are those wanting to reopen yet they’re being classified as selfish. There are those that rely on all kinds of people to supply them while they cower in fear at home. Isn’t that being selfish too?

You expect your garbage to be picked up, you expect the grocery store to be open so you can get milk, you expect truck drivers to supply the stores, you expect farmers, meatpackers, fruit and vegetable pickers all to keep food in that grocery store.

You expect Amazon to still ship all the things you’re ordering while you sit at home shopping. You expect the delivery driver to leave it on your doorstep. You expect your phone to work, your power to stay on, and your mail to show up rain, sleet, or shine. And most important, you expect the doctors and nurses to be there if you need them although many of them across the country have been furloughed because their units and services have been shut down while the entire system focuses only on COVID19.

The whole premise of shelter in place is based on the arrogant idea that others must risk their health so you can protect yours. There is nothing virtuous about ignoring the largely invisible army required to allow people to shelter in place.

I know there are some of you that are screaming mad about what I just said but stop and really think about what is allowing you to stay safe in your home.
I truly believe that with some common sense on my part, I could easily go back to life as it was. I want to go to restaurants, I want to shop at the little store just up the road.

And yes, I could catch COVID-19. I could also catch the flu or a cold. I could get run over by a bus. I could get struck by lightning. We take risks everyday. If you choose to stay home, that is absolutely your choice. And please don’t start screaming at me about how I’ll just spread it. Why are you worried? You won’t get it because you’re staying in your home. Are you going to shelter in place every time a new strand of the flu happens?

Our economy can’t withstand much more of this. If our economy collapses, so will the rest of the world’s. If that happens, you will see the rise of tyrants.
I absolutely don’t want people to die…from COVID or anything else. I want people to live.

But sheltering in place is not living.

A thought provoking read.
Copied from a friend.

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FOLLOWED BY — my sister’s reponse to same (which has yet to get a reply from the right-wing cousin who posted the original, I wonder why)

“I want to respond to this, which was shared on my timeline.
About selfishness. And sacrifice.

Sheltering in place has made it clear that the people our society depends on to keep functioning for its basic needs are underpaid. The grocery store clerks. The bus drivers. The garbage collectors. The janitors. The truckers. The warehouse workers. The postpeople. The people who make our food and the people who deliver it to us. The managers who oversee day to day operations and make just enough money that they won’t get paid overtime. It’s every person who works in healthcare, from the doctors and nurses, to the custodians and the lady who brings patients their lunch.
We depend on them.

And I for one would like to see every person whose job required them to go and interact with other people every day through this crisis get a big fat paycheck or at least a paid vacation when we get clear.

But I don’t have that power. The most I can do for them is try to do my job from home. To stay out of their way. To not risk their lives because I did something foolish and risked my own.

We learned something about blizzards, over the past few decades. About hurricanes. About floods. We learned that the best way to help the people who had to be out there working in dangerous conditions was to get out of the way. When I leave the danger zone, there’s far less chance that I’ll need to be rescued, that I’ll put someone else in danger.

And that’s why a protester standing out there carrying a gun that cost hundreds of dollars is selfish. Go pawn the damn thing and eat a little longer. That’s why the person holding up a sign saying they need a haircut is selfish. Get a hair tie or a pair of scissors. You’ll live.

But there are bus drivers who haven’t. There are doctors who haven’t. There are grandparents who haven’t.

Your decision to jump the gun and end your shelter in place early doesn’t just risk you, it risks all those people who have to work to keep you alive. Driving into a tree isn’t contagious. Covid-19 is. We’ve been taking our medicine and it’s working. But it’s like antibiotics. We have to finish the course.

Anything else, well, it’s selfish.”

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BigPapa  Apr 25, 2020 • 4:07:46pm

Good on your sister.

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Thanos  Apr 25, 2020 • 5:16:42pm
There it is: the Pox Party common sense. I’d be happy to consider this nonsense a reasonable concept if a consistent group of peers in the ‘mainstream medical perspective’ start discussing and promoting this. As of now, nobody in the field is stating we should slowly infect ourselves to build herd immunity.

The medical consensus is that even if you’ve had covid-19 and have the anti-bodies to prove it, you can catch it again, and spread it again. There won’t be a herd immunity to this for decades, the solution is testing and a vaccine. Until we get both, we are going to live with business as UNusual, everyone will still be having to take precautions until we have an effective vaccine. npr.org

both the WHO and CDC are recommending against immunity passports because so far they haven’t seen any proof of immunity.

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Sherlock Hound  Apr 26, 2020 • 2:39:41pm

re: #1 CleverToad

Pardon the length here. Ran across another sample of the so-called ‘reasonable other side’ posts floating around my Facebook pages yesterday. Followed by the follow-up noted below, which answered better than I could.

Bree Mullen Driver
April 23 at 7:28 PM
Here ya go …

I was reading some posts for and against reopening the country. One was talking about being selfish and it got me to thinking.

There are those wanting to reopen yet they’re being classified as selfish. There are those that rely on all kinds of people to supply them while they cower in fear at home. Isn’t that being selfish too?

You expect your garbage to be picked up, you expect the grocery store to be open so you can get milk, you expect truck drivers to supply the stores, you expect farmers, meatpackers, fruit and vegetable pickers all to keep food in that grocery store.

Summarized thus by, “But you live in a society. I am very smart!”


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