re: #83 Talking Point Detective

My particular point of interest is how many conservatives assume that’s the case, in an attempt to justify SYG laws, without realizing that SYG is inherently ambiguous in that regard.

It’s wishful thinking. They, themselves, think that him following Martin should disallow a self-defense, defense. It’s common sense, right? But then they turn around and say this case “has nothing to do with SYG,” because Martin didn’t follow the 911 operators instructions, followed Martin, etc.

It’s wishful thinking, based on an arbitrary determination that the law shouldn’t allow for something they, themselves don’t think meets the bar of “self-defense,” so that they can ignore how the law opens up ambiguity, the potential for these kinds of situations, and actually puts more power in the hands of the ebul govment - but essentially allowing the police force to determine guilt/innocence and taking that decision out of the hands of a judge or jury or peers.re: #77 Dark_Falcon

What the law says is something about “meet force with force.” What it doesn’t do is specify proportionality - although the bill’s sponsor says that it does.

The type of parameters you describe are entirely subjective. Suppose you’re an out of shape diabetic and the smaller guy is a decathlete?

This is one of the problems with the law.

OTOH opponents of SYG have to make the case that is is so broad as to include GZ. They have to advocate the very widest interpretation. For example many opponents ignore certain passages of the law in order to better criticize it. Like the bit I clipped out for Darthstar. I can’t address the case he refers to of course I can just read that text and see that a exception for unlawful activity” is really there.

Frankly I could care less what partisans have to say about this. I find those political motivations in life and death issues despicable. My worries are how society strikes the best possible balance to allow self defense in all the places we might be assaulted and not enable vigilantism or revenge.