re: #91 SixDegrees

[…] they’re probably correct, but there may be no way to verify them.
[…]

Probably correct but unverifiable will relegate them to the dustbin of history. Science is science, not politics.

If the data selection and adjustments have not been fully documented, then it is not even wrong, it cannot be falsified. End of game. Anything that is based upon that data will be equally worthless.

Should it be reconstructed with a similar result, it will still want discarding for the same reasons.

re: #96 Walter L. Newton

The sports reference is to Mann’s famous Hockey Stick, under challenge they have countered that they have a whole Hockey Team. Now that team looks a bit dodgy. The Green Helmet reference is to the Kana media manipulation and fraud during the last Lebanon War. Should the “hockey team” turn out to be wearing Green Helmets, that means they engaged in media manipulation and propaganda to further their agenda.

Mind my caveat that it is too early to have a definitive opinion. I’m happy to give the CRU crew time to respond, release their data and have it subjected to proper scientific scrutiny. If it holds up, then it’s much ado nothing.

But if I were to want to make a wager at this point, it wouldn’t favour the Hockey Team.