re: #9 Rightwingconspirator

gun. Having the right to self defense is not the same as access to effective tools of self defense.

Yes, exactly. Which is why you saying ‘self-defense’ does not support a right to own guns. Which is what I said.

I also am not sure why we’re still talking about this, since what I proposes allows anyone to own a gun for self defense if they can demonstrate competence with it under testing. I would prefer that we also verify need, but I will happily settle with gun owners proving themselves competent in a crisis.