re: #11 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Yeah, I’ve disagreed with you before, and all that got me was a lot of irritation, you spewing a lot of Gamergate talking points, and no sense at all that you were listening to anything I said.

I don’t bother any more.

However, defense of any organization associated with Theodore Beale will get downdings from me. Strange, that.

The Sad Puppies are not in any way associated with Vox Day, and to suggest so is dishonest.

re: #12 William Lewis

With the success of NO AWARD, I’d say that Yes the Hugos reflect fans much more than the Sick Puppies do.

But only the “right kind of fans,” right? Because the Sad Puppies, they’re not real fans, they’re … ugh… GamerGaters (even though Sad Puppies existed years before GamerGate) and ugh, Dudebros, Conservative, Vox Day Clones, Misogynists, Anti-Feminists, (Insert your favorite boogyman here).

Because you can’t be a realfan if you support GamerGate. You can’t be a realfan if you don’t shun Vox Day hard enough. You can’t be a realfan if you’re not a third wave TERF. You can’t be a realfan if you don’t agree with the realfans in any way whatsoever.

Listen, I’ve attracted my downvoting fanclub again, so I’ll just leave with this: The entire point of the Sad Puppies were to point out that the Hugos were being influenced by voting blocs — slates, in other words. The “other side” insisted that this wasn’t true and that even if it was, they didn’t have much influence.

In this regard, the Sad Puppies absolutely, without a doubt, proved their point.

Just because you happen to like the political stance that the No Award bloc took, doesn’t make it less of a bloc, nor does it in any way disprove that the Hugos are affected by this sort of manipulation. The only difference is this year the manipulation was out in the open.