re: #150 karmic_inquisitor

Bullshit.

You haven’t read the redacted inspector general’s report on interrogation techniques.

I have.

The IG states clearly and unambiguously that, in the case of KSM, that waterboarding was the only technique that secured full cooperation and that the information he then provided resulted in a “cascade” of intelligence that compromised several operations by AQ that were in progress.

I am fine with people who have moral qualms with waterbaording. But it has proven effective in the case of KSM and the 2 others in the IG report. The IG report refutes the claim “there are equally effective techniques” and “it only leads to bad intelligence”. The report does say that the same info might have come from these individuals over time using other techniques.

Again. You are drawing conclusions using the post-hoc fallacy. The IG report does state that KSM gave up intelligence after being waterboarded. But you cannot draw the conclusion that waterboarding was necessary to produce that information. This is a textbook post-hoc fallacy.

Just because you ace your test after finding a lucky 4-leaf clover does not mean that your 4-leaf clover caused you to ace the test. Just because we waterboarded KSM and he gave up intel does NOT mean that information could have been solicited in any number of ways that are not torture. I’m not an idiot, I know what the IG report says. And it does not state anywhere that torture was necessary.

I’m off to get drunk, I’ll catch you all later.