re: #16 Obdicut

Why be a dick? It’s really unimpressive.

Obdi,
Seriously, I thought that was funny.
We have commented a few times, I have always thought you are a bright lad and I admire you.
No offense intended.

And why were you not laying the blame of that on Wikileaks, who chose to take the stolen material and chose to give it to the Guardian? How does that make any sense to you? Because Wikileaks— an organization dedicated to leaking material others want kept quiet— didn’t explicitly want that particular piece of information published?

Well from the 28th of December till a day or so ago everyone was blaming wikileaks.
But the Guardian has now admitted that they were the ones to ‘first publish’that specific cable.

Am I right thinking that you dont see a place in this world at all for ‘the likes’ of wikileaks?

I think there is a place for whistle blowers, therefore there needs to be an outlet for these people.

Historically in western democracies we could claim the media played that role. Not that that helped the whole world.
Personally I question how much the modern media acquiesces to political will all round the world.

This has given rise to ‘the wikileaks’ of this age, right wrong or indifferent.

Now in this cable that we are discussing, it was one of 250000 that the Guardian and others were given.

The Guardian choose it from all others, and considered that the world should know.
They were the ones who should accept responsibility for any fallout.

The US Govt, Manning and wikileaks all played a part, any any of the three could have stopped it. But none of those three choose to first publish this one cable.