re: #224 Obdicut

Then phrase it this way next time:

The women on Fox use their sexuality to sell propaganda and, in doing so, objectify themselves

That avoids the highly problematic claim that they’re turning themselves into objects.

Wow… You do realize that those two sentences say exactly the same thing.

Since the definition of objectify is to turn something into an object, I am at a loss. What else could it mean?

I hear your point though about treading on eggshells.

However there is one real big point that I would not like to get missed. Regardless of the language used to describe the problem, there is still a problem. I understand that the nature of this crowd all too often revolves around semantics.

As to temper tantrums about who has the right to be offended by things, what about my right to be offended by odious behavior?

Both RSM and the Fox image of womanhood are flip sides of the same problem. That is the real point. It is disgusting when contributed to by men and it is disgusting when it is enabled by women.

It is disgusting on both counts.

Are you defending a cycle of abuse by fighting me so fiercely? No of course you aren’t. However, you are reading into my words all sorts of things that prevent you from seeing a point believe you would agree with.

That said, the many many very pro woman posts I have made ought to give me the benefit of the doubt if there is a question of interpretation.