re: #22 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

If an argument can’t be made for gun rights without appeal to court decisions, what does that say about those arguments?

Obdi, OTOH it’s unfair to exclude the laws on a persons side of a debate or discussion. “When the law is on your side” etc. Court decisions are cased on arguments, often long careful ones. That’s too much to dismiss as a weak argument.

Sometimes that shoe is on the other foot, and few if any hesitate to point that out at those moments.

In an effort to engage your insistence I answer a question that I doubt the premise of… That a cop can just up and stop folks at random. GDF mentioned a visible gun. Well that would be probable cause as a break in concealment into open carry. The visible gun might have prompted a concerned call to the police. That ccw guy might get warned or cited for breaking that rule.

So by what example would a cop be justified to take custody of a person (like getting a ticket is in the cops custody briefly, when you are not free to leave) without any cause? That’s a bad idea on general civil protection principles. With some cause, perhaps some set around CCW specifically we have these concerns covered.