re: #234 Salamantis

Actually, as I said to you before and you willfully refuse to hear, we tried all other means at our disposal upon KSM prior to waterboarding him, and he proved impervious to them all, but after we waterboarded him, he furnished us with intel that allowed us to save thousands of innocent lives from ongoing Al Qaeda terrorist plots. So your self-serving contention that there were other means of extracting the information from him is an odious, egregious, and heinous lie. Because we DID try those other means first. And they didn’t work. But waterboarding did.

Hooking up a car battery to someone’s testicles might work as well but it doesn’t make it right. We shouldn’t torture. We shouldn’t violate due process.

The “if X amount of people could be saved from torture” argument doesn’t sway me to be honest. Don’t know many of us who would accept that if it happened to be directed our way i.e. “If X amount of people could be saved if we throw your pet mongoose off the roof”, etc.