re: #269 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Bow gunner’s position is a giveaway. Looks to have a different turret mounted though.

Nope, that is the original, a very weird turret design that they hoped would provide better protection but simply left much less room for the crew in the turret. When I was little I thought it looked cool. Once I became a tanker in the Army, I learned how the M48 & M60 turrets were far superior that design.

But yeah, bow mg, 90mm main gun, rubber American tracks are all tells.

Good mechanically, decent armament and fire control but the Pakistani crew training was poor and the Indian crews of their T-55s were far better. If the crews were similar, they’d have done well enough but in the real world in 1965 the Indians lost 6 tanks to 66 Pakistani tanks in the biggest battle since WWII to that point (Battle of Phillora). Other battles went as poorly for Pakistan.