re: #97 May Day! May Day!

Except of course I made no such claim. What I said is that your claim of no deference is false.

Which is false. There is no “deference”.

You’re forced to use this system which can never be entirely secular due to its roots, so you’re showing deference in any case.

So, no purity = deference. Gotcha.

You’re counting from this date and not from any other date whether you like it or not, and this date has purely religious roots.

No, it is not “purely religious”.

So the aim is not to achieve some super-secular solution, but to use the sufficiently neutral language.

Yeah, and your criteria are way off.

Uh, no, in no way it is equivalent to use “AD” and to spell out the whole middle version (or even just to spell out the abbreviation). You once again ignored the fact that word usage matters.

I did not ignore it at all. I explicitly and specifically called that usage conventional ignorance, one which, btw, you seem to like in this case, for some weird reason. Other than for this factor (which you haven’t sufficiently demonstrated, btw), there is no difference.

It matters e.g. whether one writes “BC” or insists on spelling out “before Christ”. “The medium is the message”. The middle version is not anywhere as common as AD. You will see even atheists using AD/BC, but hardly the middle version.

And it’s bullshit windowdressing.

Except it’s the same as saying “in the year of our Lord”, since that Lord (and God) is Jesus. So you insist that AD and the middle version have the same meaning, but object to explicit unpacking the middle version, which makes my point.

You don’t seem to understand the difference between an acronym and an omission. Fine by me. Doesn’t “make your point”, however.

Also, you’re being inconsistent, and thus disingenuous, not to mention willing to engage in name-calling over smallest things.

I didn’t call you a name anywhere. And no, I wasn’t being inconsistent nor disingenious. You just seem to have trouble comprehending what I wrote and you seem to play dumb.

BTW, “the year of our Lord Jesus Christ” is listed as an alternative form of “the year of our Lord”.

That’s nice.

Except that’s not what CE denotes at all. CE is just a fig leaf over AD anyway.

You must be intentionally obtuse. That is what I said.