re: #27 Destro

And if a women who comes from such a culture is dressing like this because of fear of being seen as immodest? Maybe. Or is she dressing like this because if she does not she will be beaten/abused/coerced forced?

Maybe either one. And maybe the girl who’s dressed all provocatively doesn’t really want to be dressed that way, but if she’s not she won’t be socially accepted.

I know plenty of Muslim women who dress with a traditional headscarf who aren’t worried about being beaten, abused, coerced, or forced. I’m not even really understanding what your argument is here— that dressing modestly is bad, and creating ‘modest’ clothing is bad, because some women are forced to be modest?

Women should choose to wear what they want. I think that if women really wore what they ‘wanted’ to, rather than what society told them to, we’d find women dressing more modestly, not less, that fewer women would give a shit about their appearance, because right now it is way skewed to one side in that we expect women to pay a ton of attention to how they look but men can basically do whatever and get away with it.

Any case you can show me of a man (or woman) saying that women should wear this clothing because if they don’t they’re sinful and bad, I’ll happily criticize the fuck out of that person. But I will not judge women for choosing what they want to wear, and I will not assume if they choose modest clothing there’s something inherently wrong with that any more than if they choose ‘immodest’ clothing.