re: #32 Rightwingconspirator

From here I reject the contention that a point showing the legal rights we do enjoy is somehow weak. It’s not weak for other amendments.

It absolutely is. I can make a long, persuasive, powerful argument for why freedom of the press is necessary for a healthy democracy. I can do this without once referring to the fact that its constitutionally enshrined. That is a strong argument. An argument that relies on ‘Well, it’s legal’ is extremely weak, because, historically, all sorts of things have been legal or illegal that shouldn’t be, or that later changed.

To put it another way, pretend you are answering the question “Why do we have the 2nd amendment? What benefit is it?”

Self and family protection is the underpinning of CCW and defensive guns at home or ones place of business. Violent crime makes this self evident. At home and work the legal underpinning goes back more than a century to SCOTUS.

Then, again, replicate those arguments, don’t just refer to them. Self-defense is absolutely a common-sense thing, so base your argument from that.

Your expectation these rulings such as the 2nd as an individual right will fall is speculative.

Sure. To put it another way, the right to abortion is under serious threat in this country. To deal with this, I’m not simply pointing out that court decisions have said that abortion is legal, but instead I can mount an entire defense of why it should be that way. It is entirely possible that a time will come when abortion is criminalized more so than it is now, and I will be able to argue against that and that we should change things.

I do not understand, if this right is important to you, you’d rather just ignore that the court cases may very well start going against you.

Is there any reason you skipped the rest of that post, having to do with the main conversation we were having, about a policeman stopping someone to check the legality of their gun?

First how you define sane and I define sane in this narrow issue is different. Keeping civil protections intact for CCW holders in not anything but sane. In California we gun owners face a plethora of regulations and court rulings that went against us. What do we do? Simple-We comply and we protest and we advocate change.

What ‘civil protections’ are you referring to, and can you explain what the burden is on CCW holders if they are asked by a cop to verify the legality of their carry? How are they harmed by this?