re: #37 Rightwingconspirator

we really should be done with the back and forth about the strength of citing the law of the land to support a point. I can’t imagine any reader is left with any doubt about our differing views there.

But I’m not satisfied with it, because you’re not addressing my point. A legal decision is very ‘strong’ in terms of determining what actually happens, but as a way to persuade other people of the rightness of your cause, it is no use at all. Do you understand what I am saying? So far, you haven’t shown you comprehend the point I’m making.

Saying so does not make it so.

What makes it so is that it is so. What I’m proposing would not burden people with guns any more than people without guns.

How is a greater exposure to stops without cause harmless? And say the cop asks about that bulge and is told “it’s a cell phone under my jacket. May I leave now? “

Where is the harm? You say ‘how is it harmless’, but I’m asking ‘how is it harmful’, and so far you haven’t not, at all, shown any harm.

As to the cell phone—why isn’t the person showing that it is, in fact, their cell phone?

Really we are wasting time on a small point or procedure, procedures that should have the same checks and balances as any. I’m not keen on making a subclass with lesser protections out of CCW hiolders, and that is what you want amounts to. Either they get to walk away right then or it’s a search to verify.

They would not be a class with lesser protections. And the search would be limited exactly to the supposed gun, which is entirely different from a general search of a person for whatever they have on them. This is absolutely common sense. And why would the permit holder not simply show their permit? How would this circumstance come about, where the gun-holder refuses to show their permit to a police officer? What motivation could they have to do that?

As much as you may disagree is there anything I have said you don’t comprehend?

Yes. I don’t comprehend the harm that you see coming to a person carrying a gun who is asked to show their license for that gun. You haven’t actually shown a possible harm. Can you do so?