@Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut ,

cafegratitude.com is open for business and thriving. You appear to not know what you are talking about or not care what you say as long as you drive home the message you have blindly bought into: you are the good guy, and whoever you are talking about over there, they are the bad guy, just because you say so. No facts needed. Very convenient (for you.)

Apple, Reebok, Microsoft and Lululemon and many other large successful companies used est or Landmark material. You might want to do a little more research. Consider that your confirmation bias might be blocking you from seeing something and left you with a lopsided point of view.

I have observed that humans always find exactly what we are looking for. Humans can and do create a tall compelling pile of evidence for anything they want to be right about.