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NJDhockeyfan5/19/2011 7:19:42 pm PDT

re: #36 Stanley Sea

W-T-F…

These people have LOST THEIR SHIT.

I’ve been reading comments at MSNBC. Check out this beauty…

Olias of Sunhillow

When the Arab armies came to the Palestinian’s help during the 1948 War after the Zionist terror groups had already expelled over 300,000 Palestinians. But even after the Arab intervention the Zionists were able to expel an additional 500,000 Palestinians and erase over 400 Palestinian villages and towns during the process.

What happened back then can be compared to what happened in the late 1990’s when the Serb minority in Kosovo kicked out some 250,000 Albanians from Kosovo, and then expelled 200,000 more Albanians even after NATO intervened.

If you can say that the Zionists have the right to take land by force I can easily reply we can then take it back by force. But there’s no need to get into that kind of mindset since the implemention of UN resolutions would solve the problem.

Now, I need to remind people that when negotiations were ongoing during Yasser Arafat’s rule Israel did indeed offer most of the West Bank and Gaza back but, unfortuntely, it insisted on keeping control of all the borders of Palestine, its air space, its shores, and its water resources (whatever water is flowing under and above ground in the Occupied Territories).

So if we said “no” to Israel it’s more because we were trying to fine tune the agreement and not reject the entire thing.

Another thing that keeps being mentioned in regard to the Israel-Palestine issue is how the West Bank and Gaza were under Jordan’s and Egypt’s control, respectively, and how they missed an opportunity to establish a Palestinian state back then before the 1967 War broke.

My argument about that is, 1) Our main concern at the time was the integrity of Palestine and not have it divided as it was. The 1964 PLO charter expresses this desire as follows:

“Article 21. The Palestine people believes in the principle of justice, freedom, sovereignty, self-determination, human dignity, and the right of peoples to practice these principles. It also supports all international efforts to bring about peace on the basis of justice and free international co-operation.

“Article 22. The People of Palestine believe in peaceful coexistence on the basis of legal existence, for there can be no coexistence with aggression, nor can there be peace with occupation and colonialism.”

2) Even if Jordan and Egypt helped established a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza that would not have prevented Israel from invading and take over the rest of historical Palestine which has always been the desire of the Zionist movement.

So, instead of having the 1967 War, or the 1956 Suez Canal War if, for example, the Palestinian state was established in 1955, there probably would have been the 1960 or 1962 War due to Israel goal to conquer all of historical Palestine as described in every one of the Zionist manifestos written since the late 1800’s, the first one of which was “The Jewish State” by Theodore Herzl, founder of the fascist Zionist movement.

THE ORIGINAL SIN

“If we had invested in the Arab problem a tenth of the energy, the passion, the ingenuity, the resourcefulness which we developed in order to gain the support of Britain, France, the US and Weimar Germany, our destiny in the development of Israel may have been quite different. We were not ready for compromises; we did not regard it as a major problem. We did not make sufficient efforts to get, if not the full agreement of the Arabs, at least their acquiescence to a Jewish state, which I think would have been possible. That was the original sin.”

Dr. Nahum Goldmann, former president of the World Jewish Congress
#3.53 - Thu May 19, 2011 9:59 PM EDT

HuffPo member?