re: #406 Pie-onist Overlord
I was in Navy boot camp at the time of the attack on the USS Liberty. The killing of Navy personnel was powerfully felt, across the Navy.

I learned a lot about governments, militaries, and lies—including repeated first person experiences during three tours in Vietnam — during the next four and a half years — including witnessing a wink-wink log entry by our commanding officer on the first day in the war zone, indicating that someone on shore fired something at us. Because of that lie 500 men got hazardous duty for that month.

The lies got bigger the higher up the chain of command, in my experience, and I hobnobbed with some biggies, including the only senior officer, an Air Force general, who received formal punishment stemming from his command responsibilities in Vietnam IIRC. (Not saying he, specifically, lied.)

That memory and those feelings have caused me to read the equivalent of thousands of pages of reports, documents, and opinions. I do not subscribe to conspiracy theories, but I am not comfortable with the official report. It sets off my bullshit alert. IMHO, someone got away with something.