re: #432 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

Precisely.
Though always remember their arguments aren’t meant to be “right” or logical
They are all means to end
In this case lower taxes, so we have to cut the budget and so what’s left gets spent on whatf I want..yeah mostly military

Absolutes are such a problem in discussion and philosophy. It’s why I see ultimate free marketers have a lot in common with ultimate proponents of state control of the economy.