re: #44 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

“But that’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying that I’m not aware of any academic studies showing the effectiveness of est or Landmark’s program. I am aware of their curriculum, and it literally does involve instilling a belief pattern in people.”

Can you define a few things for me? I think defining your terms is important.

What is a “belief pattern” and where does your expertise on the subject of “belief pattern” come from? Are you a brain scientist?

What does “instilled” mean and how is it achieved?

Is what you perceive that Landmark does unique from any other so called “belief pattern” that is so called “instilled” in families, in groups of friends, in schools, in any place where people gather and do an activity together? Does it happen in comment sections on the internet? Is there anything but a constant flow of so called “belief pattern” that are so called “instilled” in human beings from birth to death? Or is this just some thing that is unique to Landmark?

“I am not saying that the people who are instilling it don’t honestly believe that it’s a good thing.”

How do you define a “good thing”?
How do you know the “people” involved, believe or do not believe it is a good or bad thing? Where are your facts or supporting evidence what their alleged beliefs are?

“Are you associated with Landmark or est in some way?”

Associated? no. I sat in the landmark forum a few years ago, a useful lasting experience and I only have good things to say about it.

“You said that your ‘friends’ were the ones who went to est training, is that the extent of your association with it?”

With est yes. Anyone I know who did est has an decent life now 30 years later and say mostly good things about their experience.