Encyclopedia of American Loons: #652: Werner Erhard

Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)8/19/2013 1:54:09 pm PDT

re: #45 pittee

What is a “belief pattern” and where does your expertise on the subject of “belief pattern” come from? Are you a brain scientist?

I have no idea what you mean by a brain scientist. I’m not presenting myself as an expert. A trivial observation of Landmark’s philosophy and methods— that they tell participants that their ideas about themselves are wrong, that they should be judging themselves and the world in a different fashion, et al— is enough to show a lay person that they’re trying to get people to change dramatically. I don’t really semantically care how you phrase it.

Is what you perceive that Landmark does unique from any other so called “belief pattern” that is so called “instilled” in families, in groups of friends, in schools, in any place where people gather and do an activity together? Does it happen in comment sections on the internet? Is there anything but a constant flow of so called “belief pattern” that are so called “instilled” in human beings from birth to death? Or is this just some thing that is unique to Landmark?

Obviously it’s not unique to Landmark. Landmark is similar to any ‘revealed truth’ religion where truths about human nature are asserted not on the basis of scientific inquiry. However, many religions don’t hold that their ‘revealed truths’ have to do with human nature in any interpretable way, so the best comparison is between Landmark and a religion that does believe that, like a religion that believes that we are all innately sinful and talks about how we need to strive to overcome that. The experience of Landmark and the experience of shock conversion are demonstrably similar.

How do you define a “good thing”?
How do you know the “people” involved, believe or do not believe it is a good or bad thing? Where are your facts or supporting evidence what their alleged beliefs are?

I’m not saying anything about the people involved in general, but they’re, y’know, just humans like the rest of us. Some humans are good. I’m not sure why you’re choosing this point to freak out on, but then, a lot about the way you choose to argue makes little sense.

Associated? no. I sat in the landmark forum a few years ago, a useful lasting experience and I only have good things to say about it.

Why did you conceal this earlier and instead say that you had lots of friends who did est? I know it’s not technically a lie, but it’s a rather foolish piece of deception.

And again, I don’t really feel like I have to do much argument, because the tone and logic of your argument is pretty self-defeating when trying to convince people that Landmark totally isn’t culty.