re: #476 keloyd

There are old proverbs from time immemorial (at least 1995) that warn us about arguing over Hitler on the internet.

Still, the Nazi party, during its rise to power, was in the mode of “say pretty much anything that gets us what we want” - taking on left and right wing traits. The fascism in the rest of Europe is maybe not apples and oranges, but at least tangerines and oranges to the Anglo-American notions of left and right. Any attempt to use left/right terminology just stretches the definitions until they’re of no use, imho.

Grabbing control of the state through violence and subterfuge is regularly used by the Left in many places, and by the Right in some other places.

I would say their cavalier attitude toward free market capitalism and property rights correlates with many countries’ experience with their “left” wing.

Antisemitism has been embraced and fought by left and right wing factions in the US.

In other news, Hitler had a nephew who moved to the US, changed his name, but later gave his son the middle name “Adolf”. The grand nephew is a baby boomer now.

I believe that we should argue based on how they acted in power not what they did to get it, so that scratches off the first half or so of your argument.

As for “I would say their cavalier attitude toward free market capitalism and property rights correlates with many countries’ experience with their “left” wing.”

I believe that every person who has complete control of the state tends to act this way and its not a trait of the left or the right, or are you going to argue that all those Strong Men in Africa and South America were leftist as well?

“Antisemitism has been embraced and fought by left and right wing factions in the US.”

You used a lot of words to just go and prove nothing at all since its left and right.

“In other news, Hitler had a nephew who moved to the US, changed his name, but later gave his son the middle name “Adolf”. The grand nephew is a baby boomer now.”

And this is suppose to prove?

Come on show me some actions Hitler took while in power which were leftist!