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Ben Stein Withdraws As UVM Commencement Speaker

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Hhar2/04/2009 10:56:17 am PST

1. Firstly, wrt IC being debunked. Yes, IC is crap. Yes, IC is intellectually shoddy and poorly formulated, But then again, so is Dawkin’s notion of Memic evolution. Publishing intellectually dishonest shoddy crap doesn’t make you a wilful liar about your own beleifs.

2. You cite the article in which it says:

confirmed that he authored pages 141-146 of Pandas, although he seemed at a loss to explain why he was listed as a “reviewer” rather than author. Behe also confirmed his authorship at trial at various points in his testimony. It has since been widely mentioned, e.g. in my articles, in Ken Miller’s new book, etc., but it still surprises people, primarily those who mostly heard of ID through Johnson and Darwin on Trial, and Behe and Darwin’s Black Box, and assume, incorrectly, that knowing about the most famous ID works and authors provides an accurate first approximation of the history of the ID movement.

Read those pages: you’ll find that they are fairly focussed and, IIRC do not contain the critical references to creationism: the whole creatism to ID transition occurs outside them. This guy is a dupe, and a willing one. Read his books: he simply isn’t crafty enough to lie contiguously. Also, I note that even if we WERE to say that Behe WAS a creationist at one point, why couldn’t he have changed his mind? Dembski has waffled back and forth on it, to all appearences. Why insist that these4 guys are either diabolically clever or stupendously stupid? Why not just not very clever and ordinarily stupid?

The facts are all there.