re: #1 CuriousLurker

Down-ding for criticizing other LGF members without naming anyone, and for doing it in the Pages where it’s unlikely to be seen by most

I was trying to keep this impersonal and discuss ideas and talking points. As for being unlikely to be seen, speak for yourself. This page made it to the Featured Pages for awhile.

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not only that, but coaching the criticism by “paraphrasing” comments is not just disingenuous, it’s downright fraudulent.

Not it isn’t. Passing them off as direct quotes would be fraudulent. I’ve heard such arguments elsewhere, not just LGF. I paraphrased to keep it impersonal. I was up-front about this.

re: #3 allegro

It’s also entirely ignoring the entire message of the Clinton campaign that was one of inclusion and a statement of understanding the problems of all Americans. She talked extensively about the issues of rural America and those small dead and dying towns and offered practical solutions and help. She advanced education, training for new industries and ideas for bringing jobs back to depressed areas. She addressed the very needs and concerns that are being discussed above as having been ignored because Borg mind. Or something.

I’ve been inside the liberal bubble throughout this election. Late Night with Stephen Colbert, Full Frontal with Samantha Bee, here at LGF, etc. And all I’ve heard from/about Clinton campaign was about small businesses, infrastructure, green energy. If there was anything more than that, I haven’t heard it. Possibly because it was drowned out by constantly drawing attention to Trump’s racism, misogyny, and terrible business practices. Considering that, how well do you think the message was conveyed outside our bubble?

Blame the Clinton campaign for terrible messaging. Blame the media. Blame ourselves collectively. But don’t impugn my honesty.

Btw, is it alright with you if I directly quote your argument, since some people seem to have a problem with paraphrasing? Except for the last part of course. To keep it impersonal.

re: #4 Sherlock Hound

I was hoping for insight, but instead just got strawmen.

Could you name one in particular, and explain what exactly you think is wrong about it? Only one out you four even bothered to try.

My main point is that we need to engage outside of our bubble more, to try to educate ourselves and each other. But three of you clearly missed that point, preferring to stick with shaming people you disagree with and leaving it at that. And how did that work out this year? Oh right. A bigoted, sexually predatory charlatan got elected.

So go on you guys. Keep doing more of the same and expecting different results. And placing the entire blame for failures on “the others” while claiming to be above that in the same breath. Even if it’s someone from within trying to humanize the opposition. You’ve proved my main point, making this a hollow victory for each of us.