re: #52 Nyet

re: #53 EPR-radar

Are you effing kidding me? How many theists claim to witness/document the occurrence of miracles that are at least hypothetically distinguishable from natural events? Most common claims are relatively mundane things like “I prayed to god to help me find my car keys and then I found them,” or “that storm was a sign from god.”

re: #52 Nyet

I was not limiting what I wrote to some choice representation of God. You came with your own limited definition I never had in mind. That’s just BS.

Oh? So how many people still believe in god as described in a literal interpretation of the bible? As a being who made us in his own image that dwells up in the sky above the clouds? Is that the more popular concept of god?

re: #53 EPR-radar

This doesn’t seem consistent with what little I know of religious teachings. For example, Catholicism requires documented miracles as part of the process for naming someone a saint.

And how many of these documented catholic miracles don’t have a natural explanation? More pertinent, what do catholics have to say about more naturalistic explanations of their miracles?

To reiterate: how is it untrue that most people believe that god’s interaction with this world are indistinguishable from natural events? Because (and pardon me if I’m a tad presumptuous here) they’ll claim otherwise at first, only to retreat to this rationale when cornered with facts and logic: that they “just know” god was involved, “felt god’s presence,” or something similar? How many people make claims of supernatural events that don’t boil down to that story when challenged? How many people believe without such a rationalization?

re: #52 Nyet

Um, sorry, but you are making less and less sense. And I’m not in the mood to decipher your dark sayings.

I point out that your arguments are based on disagreements of definition. Then you accuse me of accusing you of being inconsistent. If that’s the part which is making less and less sense, then it’s your own fault. Seriously, of all the things I’ve said in this thread, this is what you refer to as “dark sayings”?