re: #51 Cankles McCellulite

I am coming in late to another conversation. But i am a Democrat who is very pro Israel. I hate saying i am pro Israel because there is no other nation i have to say that about. Even when apartheid South Africa-a truly evil institution-was at its worst, i never heard any one ponder South Africa’s right to exist, they just wanted apartheid over. I am not Jewish, but i too have been disappointed with liberals on this. One thing that gives me hope is that given the opportunity to explain to liberal friends the situation they start to understand. Even i probably wouldn’t have understood had i not been very close to someone for some time who was a liberal Jew who was pro Israel. That being said, i do not trust the intentions or longevity of the Religious rights pro Jewish stance. I know several too well and i know how pro-Israel they are when you are discussing needing the Jews for the return of Christ yet a very different side comes out when discussing the Jewish people under different terms. In other words, they don’t much care for Jewish people as individuals-and how they seem to destroy conservative protestant societies-but their bible tells them the Jews are needed. I also would like to add that i have read Jewish comments before where they state that they know that the religious right is just using them to fulfill a prophesy but that they are willing to take that because they need all the friends they can get in Israel. That makes me sad to read because no one should feel they need to take friends they can’t trust. The international community has let Israel down in that sense. Israel has always been everyones whipping boy. Israel has done everything all the super powers have told them to over the years. They have probably even done things that they didn’t want to do, or they knew might put them in danger but America or England told them to. “OK boss” And now everyone turns around and acts like they don’t know what time it is.

Sorry I left last night, but I needed a break.

You touch on a lot of good points. For many years (decades), Israel had the support of the international community until the constant bleating of Arafat’s propaganda. He knew he couldn’t physically destroy the Jews so he did so verbally. For some reason that I can’t quite place, Israel (and Jews in the diaspora) have never been that good at counter-acting that negative PR.

I also would like to add that i have read Jewish comments before where they state that they know that the religious right is just using them to fulfill a prophesy but that they are willing to take that because they need all the friends they can get in Israel. That makes me sad to read because no one should feel they need to take friends they can’t trust.

I could probably write a novel about this! But my basic feeling is that the Religious Right has a story (end times philosophy) and Jews have a story which are two different stories. Each feel they are correct, but in the end, it’s all prophecy. What matters is what is happening TODAY. This sentiment is felt much more strongly in Israel because they are dealing with the boots on the ground reality and don’t have a lot of time for religious or political “contemplation” or philosophy of what may or may not happen. I mean, in relation to support of Israel. In the end, Jews will not compromise Israel’s existence in any way, shape or form and I have more trust in that than what makes me a skeptical about Christian support.

Anyway, Christians SHOULD support Israel. We are the keepers of their faith there, their churches and holy spots. Christians (who identify as such, not necessarily evangelicals) do support Israel. Secular people, not so much. A lot of it is based in the thought that “they’ve been fighting for 1000s of years, so who cares.” Or “it’s all based on religious dogma on God as a real estate agent” which it’s not actually.