A Response to Killgore Trout and Other Opponents of Wikileaks

goddamnedfrank12/13/2010 2:59:14 pm PST

re: #59 Killgore Trout

I wouldn’t say terrorism. But it does seem you support groups engaged in espionage and internet crimes.

So, you “wouldn’t say terrorism” but you conflate these groups with “Imams who encourage young Muslims to blow themselves up.”

If it’s Brown’s past performance you want to bring up as a reason not to listen to him, I’m not sure I’m interested in that lecture from a man who could understand how a defenseless, pinned, prone woman got stomped on the head and neck, who has no sympathy for the specific victim of such an assault. So instead why don’t we try to keep things relevant to this particular discussion instead of shutting down the conversation by trying to paint Brown as some kind of rampant anti-semite.

There’s a hell of a lot of lazy thinking going on in this thread and others on the subject, from people on both sides who want to pigeonhole highly diverse groups of people that have a variety of nuanced opinions about Wikileaks.

Wikileaks aren’t saints, but they aren’t suicide bombers either. Some of what’s been released never ever should have been and many of their actions smack of rank criminality. However some of it never should have been classified to begin with because of the extreme moral weight of what taxpayers are being asked to support (i.e. Dyn Corp boy sex parties).

Also, the defense of argumentum ad populum and deliberately dishonest reframing of clear cut English is pretty astounding. Brown’s point about popularity not determining right and wrong could only be missed by those hellbent on missing it.

However it’s the incurious support of a go along to get along policy based on nothing but follow the leaders that has to be the most amazing thing said so far:

re: #14

I wasn’t all gung-ho about Iraq, but we went and we’re there and since we’re there, we should, IMO, do whatever we need to do to accomplish whatever it is the experts and gov’t decide needs to be accomplished, and that’s just the way it is.

Yes, we should all just go along for the ride and do whatever the experts and government keep telling us to do. They got us in and they’ll get us out. It will all work out in the end, just like Viet Nam. This way we can all go through life without taking any responsibility for the consequences of the policies we support, if we just trust the experts like we’re supposed to.