Are you telling me that the sight of a cross is less real than the sight of the moon? Meaning in such a context is not instead of being, but in addition to being.

no, I’m saying that the sight of the moon is not the moon, and the existence of the moon per se has different implications than the existence of the sight of the moon. I’m not sure why this is challeging for you.

No, (snip irrelevant delusion),,,And now you are attempting to say that I called memetics an empirical science, (snip)

No, I haven’t. I’ve said you’ve called it valuable and insightful, and you haven’t establishhed either the empirical reality of a meme as a causal unit, nor its value.

Actually, in either case, if you say what a meme or a star is or is not, you will find people who disagree with you. And you can apply your criteria, and they can apply theirs. But I have already given my definition of a meme before: a meaning that mutates within minds and propagates between them.
Oops. Definition is not demonstration of empirical validity or explanatory efficacy.

Your general plan here is to confuse and conflate the realm of being with the realm of meaning. By your own criteria, you would have to testify in court to the unrteality of ideas, because you could not fix them in any intersubjectively observable firmament as though they were stars.

No, I’d say they were real, but that I couldn’t identify any value to saying that any part of one was a causal unit and then renaming it and lumping it in with flicking your lighter.

I won’t let you get away with it. In fact, I didn’t let you yack yack yack whooopee do. Still avoiding the question and blatantly mischaracterising my position. Whatever.

Memes are the primary causal agents of our culture, and they are so precisely because they are (snip argument by assertion)

That’s all ya got? Oh wait, there’s more…”No, A giraffe’s neck would only be a meme should a hypothetical bushman actually exist for whom the sight of a giraffe’s neck reminds him of an erecti Oops. Sorry. How embarassing! Your sexual fantasies abut bushmen are not relevant. Focus on reality please.