re: #484 Hhar

So Charles, show me that BEHE (not the people that he is with, but Behe himself) is a creationist. For years now he has been saying that common descent is a great idea. I agree fully that most IDers are nothing different than creationists.

But I’ve done a lot of parsing of ideas and following verbal rabbit trails. I don’t see Behe as a creationist, and I think its fair to say that even if you are right, there is room for reasonable doubt. Again, I’ll point you to Brig Klyce’s enthusiasm for ID and for Panspermia (which is antithetical to 99% of Biblical creationism).

Even taking ID completely at face value and ignoring everything we KNOW about it’s being a mere front for creationism, ID is nevertheless just creationism spread over time. It’s still creationism. It still contends that the laws of nature cannot produce the biological diversity we see around us, and it plugs the gaps it imagines/asserts with god-magic.