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ObserverArt6/16/2015 10:13:40 am PDT

re: #562 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

She really wasn’t. She’s done this a bunch of times before, and she doesn’t listen at all to the other side, just spews venom at trans people and says it’s child abuse to respect the feelings of a trans kid.

We have trans members who read here, you know. She is saying it directly to people. Unless you think talking about how black people are dumb in the same room as them is okay ‘cuz you’re not directly addressing them.

I haven’t seen any even remote sign of even beginning to consider having a think about possibly at some point in the future deigning in the least bit to consider any other point of view, and a reminder that her point of view is bigoted and causes actual harm.

I don’t have any data on what helps people who are severely bigoted change their mind, except that hanging out with people who they’re bigoted against generally helps. Other than that, nothing seems to really work, persuasive arguments really don’t. It’s sad, but true.

Again: What she was saying is 500x worse than ‘fuck you’. Someone says ‘fuck you’ to someone, oh man, ruined their day. Someone denying that trans women exist and talking about how encouraging a trans kid to express themselves is child abuse, and how they’ll never accept them—that leads to real, lasting damage and pain. Trans kids kill themselves. A lot. Because they face this kind of bigotry.

I don’t have to respect that opinion any more than I have to respect the opinion that gay men are mentally disturbed. It comes from the same anti-scientific place.

Thanks for the response Obdi. I appreciate it.

I don’t hang on here all the time, and I must say I haven’t followed Justanotherhuman’s comments on this particular subject.

I would have hoped she would be more open about it, seeing that she knows how people of color have been treated and how she herself has been treated in her life.

And I agree you don’t have to respect the opinion. I’m just old school on still respecting the person. It’s part of that thinking that I don’t have to like the message, but someone has the right to express it. Yes, there are lines that should not be crossed. And there are points to where the respect dies out because someone doesn’t want to learn and change.

I think that can be expressed in better ways. Some members have done just that.

The other thing to consider in debate, is there are most likely other LGF members that have trouble with the transgender issue. They probably choose not to even get into a discussion knowing how it would go. Did the FU help bring them to the discussion or make them decide they will never talk about it?

Justanotherhuman said it, and there is some merit in that. She didn’t hide her feelings. I see that as at least stating her opinion and that is also part of respect. At least she was willing to let it out. How many are hiding it which probably means there is not even any consideration? I think hiding it is far more dangerous.

I am talking more about the respect on the board. Respect for Charles and how things usually go around here. This thread caught me out.

Moving on. and dropping it. I hope justanother is considering it all too, as we all should. We all have some issues to work on.