And Chip, you do not get to choose for others what they are and are not, regardless of what they themselves claim to be; when they define themselves as adherents of religions or political ideologies, and indeed practice observable actions and profess observable beliefs that are identifiable as belonging to those religions or ideologies, then their self-identification must be taken at face value, and not just dismissed or denied simply because they also engage in execrable or odious practices of which you do not approve.