re: #6 Rightwingconspirator

Briefly, sure. Decisions that are close have the same impact on the actions of those subject to the decision as a unanimous decision.

They don’t, though. Dissents get used in legal argument all the time. Do you not know this?

Many countries may well be right for them, but wrong for us. Lets say a country restricts gun ownership so a ordinary citizen can’t get one. Fine, What stops a criminal from getting a gun or another weapon that a law abiding victim cannot overcome short of a weapon a capable as a pistol? little if anything depending on details about that un named country and the prevalence of dangerous weapons in the hands of predators.

You didn’t understand, or answer, the question.

You are saying “Self-defense’ is the argument for gun rights. Other countries recognize the right to self defense but still restrict guns. We recognize the right to self defense but still restrict body armor. Saying ‘self-defense’ does not lead inevitably to ‘therefore gun rights’, and you are acting as though it does.

Lets say a country restricts gun ownership so a ordinary citizen can’t get one. Fine, What stops a criminal from getting a gun or another weapon that a law abiding victim cannot overcome short of a weapon a capable as a pistol?

Well, in general the lower availability of guns in that country means that far fewer criminals will be armed. However, my proposal isn’t ‘restrict gun ownership so an ordinary citizen can’t get one’, so why are you asking me this? The reason I brought up other countries was to make the common-sense point that ‘gun rights’ and ‘self defense rights’ are not synonymous.

I have already agreed in principle. And I would submit that those who already have guns should have the option of going straight to testing to respect the training they already have. Or to correct where they don’t.

Great. I’m glad to make progress. So will you advocate this to other gun enthusiasts, that we end the practice of letting people own guns who are untrained with them? And since I already said that people who have already been trained can be tested, you don’t need to ‘submit’ that, it’s fine. It has to be a test that actually tests the scenario they want to use the gun in, though. Not just safety and accuracy and targeting, but real situational stuff.