re: #792 Aceofwhat?

Bullshit! If my argument is terrible, it should be easy to demonstrate it! If you’re simply tired of the debate, say so and I’m fine with it!

That’s a false dichotomy. First of all, I have demonstrated your agument is terrible— your view that it was okay to use results-based judgement for separate but equal (though that is not, actually, the way the judgement was arrived at, but instead that it could never achieve results in the real world that lived up to the name) but not any more is itself an essentially subjective argument. It destroys any argument you may have against subjectivity when you readily admit that you think it’s fine to be subjective if things are bad enough.

Second of all, I’m not tired of the debate, but I have no way of debating you if you’re simply going to insist that you can change Marshall’s words to different words and judge him on those, there’s nothing I can say to that except that no, you can’t do that, and there is nothing to debate other than doing so is completely wrong.

Just don’t give me that weaksauce crap about how i’m twisting his words on purpose and i don’t care about it and therefore you’re walking away, because if i don’t care that i’m twisting the words = i’m not arguing in good faith = i’m being dishonest. Plain. And. Simple.

How on earth is that plain and simple? I’m not saying you’re being dishonest. I’m saying that you are making an argument where you are simultaneously saying that these are the only words we should judge his judicial philosophy by, but then going ahead and changing those words to a different form and judging him on that change. That is a fallacious argument.

Saying that someone is using a fallacious argument— and that you don’t appear to care that you’re using a fallacious argument— isn’t accusing you of being dishonest or arguing in bad faith, just arguing badly, and being human.

You seem bound and determined to take grave offense, so I’ll let you do it. I’ll note again that you’re now repeatedly accusing me of dishonesty as well.