geez. can you imagine them taking cheeseburgers off the menu so as not to offend kosher eaters? doubtful.

shari'a down unda.

...Then eat at home. It's that simple. You do not have a right to fast food.

Arrrgh. My friggin head hurts.

I didn't know KFC served anything with bacon in it. It's been awhile since I dined with the Colonel though. Here in Louisiana, Popeye's rules the roost (no pun intended).

So is KFC bending to PC pressure, or just trying to make a quick buck off Muslim chicken connoiseurs?

Even worse, it's now called "Kitchen Fresh Chicken" instead of "Kentucky Fried Chicken." The Colonel's spinning in his grave.

It just goes to show, when it comes to standing up to Islam, some people just have no giblets.

“There has to be authentic certification that the food is halal and I haven’t seen any evidence of that.”

Then, don't friggin' eat there.

What? Muslims can't even be in the same building as a piece of bacon now? They might get accidentally cross-contaminated or smell evil pig grease fumes in the parking lot? Oh, we can't have that, now can we?

OT: Hippe Hunting (dark humor).

[Link: www.nerra.com...]

Dhimmi dummies. I can understand labelling things so people with religious eating restrictions will know what's what. Not too long ago, McDonalds got it trouble with Hindus for not disclosing that their fries were still cooked in beef tallow. But taking a food item off the menu to kow-tow to Muslim sensibilites seems entirely over the top. What next? Fry cooks in burkas? Closed for Ramadan? Or how about "No Jews Allowed"?

It's an American fast food chain. Don't eat there if it doesn't meet your religious requirements. Are any Jewish groups up in arms because it's not kosher? Are the Buddhists pissing and moaning because they serve meat? Are the Hindus protesting the abuse of cows?

By G-d, I truly hate these people.

Dennis Prager's comment that radical secularism and radical Islam were two sides of the same coin sent Andrew Sullivan (and probably others) into predictable Crazy Old Coot-type rants, but this article does kind of illustrate something.

Gay marriage will probably come about because the people who want it really want it. Whereas most people who oppose it don't oppose it enough to take time off work and fight to resist it.

In the same way, the Islamists really, really want to impose their ways on other cultures. And the cultures they are pushing against don't want to accept the ways of the Islamists, but are too lazy or too cowed to actually resist its imposition in any meaningful way.

The chicken thing illustrates this point. Radical Islamists will fight and push and threaten and demonstrate to get their dietary laws imposed, whereas most westerners would feel silly getting worked up over the menu at a fast food restaurant.

Bacon, women driving, it's always something.

What is it with bacon though? I love bacon. In fact, this is making me kinda hungry.

This seems to me to be not dhimmitude but capitalism. Obviously KFC thinks that it has little to lose and much to gain by being Muslim-friendly. It's the same as American food companies going to the bother of getting the U or K kosher symbol on their packaging.

If Aussies start demonstrating for their bacon, then KFC will rethink.

This one seems to me to be no biggie.

H-town,

No, no, no, it's like this (holding your hands on the side of your head):

MY BRAIN HURTS!!!

#5 paladine

Even worse, it's now called "Kitchen Fresh Chicken" instead of "Kentucky Fried Chicken." The Colonel's spinning in his grave.

They should change their name to Kuffar Fried Chicken with a logo featuring the head of Ariel Sharon (complete with goatee & spectacles) in a string-tie and white jacket...then see if any reps from the RoP want to eat there.

#14 BPP

There's a difference between being "Muslim-friendly" and allowing a particular people to dictate the terms for everyone else. If they don't like the bacon, they can eat elsewhere. You don't see KFC using kosher chickens, hiring a moshgiach and opening for business in Borough Park, lucrative though it might be. There's capitalism, and then there's capitulation.

Recently, I picked up "Militant Islam Reaches America" by Daniel Pipes. This is something he warns about. A gradual evolution to Islam perpetrated by innocuous special interest groups.

Give a little here, give a little there, and pretty soon - guess what?! Hey, what's that mosque doing there where my church used to be? Why are all the woman-folk all covered up like that? Why is it I need to pray 5 times a day and face that-a-way when I do?

You get the picture...

They're discriminating against me! I always planned to ear bacon at KFC when in Australia! Meat infidels! /seethe

Women Artist Against Gender Violence Organization

organization leader wears shirt that says in Spanish :' Long live the fight of the Palestinian people.

...to eat bacon, that is. I never ate ear bacon.

This could be, as #4 said, an attempt to appeal to customers. Are these KFCs in areas where a lot of muslims live?

I know it's pedantic to point this out, but doesn't that spokesman, Bilal something or other, share the same first name with a convicted rapist Down Under?

#14 BPP

It's the same as American food companies going to the bother of getting the U or K kosher symbol on their packaging.

No, it absolutely is NOT the same. Product approval and labeling is one thing, but here a freedom to choose was removed ("sold-out” stickers) from a micro-population of fast-food consumers. Multiply this many times over and you have a substantial restriction on a broad population.

The choice of bacon was removed. One tiny-weenie skootch of the camel's nose just occurred.

Max

The only thing dumber than Islam is someone who accomodates Islam. Idiots.

How come I never see any pigeons hanging around near KFC?

hans,

I never ate ear bacon

Where ya been?

#25 Jess Wundrin

Then why isn't it called KFP?

It is capitalism at work--these franchises made a business decision to capitulate to the Muslim demands, and time will tell whether it was a wise business decision. But it's in no way similar to a business getting its food labled as Kosher. Now if they had totally pulled a product because of Jewish lobbying, that would be different, but I only know of one religion with the arrogance & nerve for that...

At Endeavour Hills, “sold-out” stickers have been placed over bacon products on its drive-through menu.

Yeah, "sold out" indeed, You got that part right

@17 scaramouche

Hear! Hear! I was going to say just that.

If I find something repugnant, like monkey brains, and dont' want to eat them, I won't eat at a restaurant that serves them.

If I don't want pancakes that taste like cheeseburgers and skillets, I don't go to Denny's (worked my way through college as a waitress there, and I WON'T eat there now).

However I make it a point to buy Kosher dill pickles, even though I'm not Jewish. They taste the best. God works in mysterious ways.

#26: Geepers

Is that ear bacon?? The big peace of meat must be elephant ear bacon then. From a very well-fed elephant. :)

#28 Jeff
I agree with you. The best response is for all non-muslims in the area to not eat at these KFC's. You have to resist these inroads whenever and wherever possible.

17 scaramouche

I read the article and it seems that Christians are protesting. So my guess is that KFC will probably drop the scheme.

If I'm the KFC manager, I'm thinking about this purely in terms of dollars and cents. Will I gain more Muslim customers or lose more Christian customers? Will I get positive PR or negative PR. Given the tone of the article, I'm guessing its pretty negative PR now.

I am also quite sure that KFC, like other fast food chains, does not open up in Borough Park not because they don't want to cater to local tastes, but rather because they have run the numbers and decided they will not recoup the extra expense of being certified kosher. How many Hassids are you likely to see at a KFC anyway?

That's business.

#15

Got it. But what do I do about the piercing pain behind both eyes and the knot in my chest? I know...

Yeager Bombs until I can't see straight.

These fussy Moslems! Everyone knows Hallal is just a looser form of Kosher and that Muslims can eat anything Kosher. Let the Muslim eat in the Kosher restaurants. No problem right?

Oh- yeah... right. I forgot.

I'm inclined to agree that this is a simple business decision. If they decide not to sell it that is their choice, and whether it was a good choice will be determined by sales.

On the other hand, if Australian KFCs are getting their bacon from local farmers this could come back and bite 'em in the a$$, 'cuz now they're messing with the Australian economy.

Those 'Sold Out' stickers are a bit more appropriate than they thought.

This is obviously just capitalism in action.
KFC was losing so many customers to that chain of Islamic fast food restaurants. The one with the cute placemats that say "Death to the Infidels!" and "Help little Abdul find his way through the maze!"

And each kid's meal comes with a little razor so that junior can slit open his head.

I'm confused... since when does KFC have bacon on the menu to begin with? OR burgers, for that matter? I thought the "C" stood for "chicken". I was just in a KFC a week ago.

I think it's horrible that they caved. There are so many different types of fast food places. Why can't someone make a halal restaurant? In the right areas, they could make a fortune. just a thought...

... or should that be JEIGER bombs ?

Halal doesn't just ban pork products or animals improperly slaughtered (whatever that means) but:

ANIMALS KILLED IN THE NAME OF ANYONE
OTHER THAN ALLAH

So, in whose name did the animals die to make those glatt kosher hot dogs on Broadway and 79th Street? Or the chopped liver in the Second Avenue Deli?

I do call it KFP!

Tricon (KFC's corporate parent) has donated millions for the completion of the Mohammed Ali Center in Louisville, Ky...

[Link: www.alicenter.org...]

If I ever drive a taxicab, I'm hanging a few strips of bacon from the rear-view mirror instead of an air freshener.

Less terrorists, more Wisconsinites.

OT - NASA to Release Significant Mars Findings

How much you want to bet the announcement will be disappointing and 'geeky'.

I was watching a documentary about mission control during the moon landing, and it struck me how different one group of men was compared to their present day contemporaries.

The was no hugging in houston when the Eagle landed, they lit cigars and shook hands.

These jet propulsion people hug.

Something tells me they could get a man out of orbit, much less to the moon or Mars.

And they get just a little too goddam excited when their little remote 'toy' rolls off its delivery vehicle.

We'll see I guess.

Is the movie "Footloose" banned in Muslim countries? What with Kevin Bacon being in it and all.

I don't understand the seething.
It's really simple. KFC is a business and made a business decision. Just like McDonalds has kosher restaurants in Israel (one or two), KFC doesn't serve bacon in Australia (apparantly, a soon to be Muslim state). If you wan't bacon, go elsewhere.

Be sure to change the strips every 48 hours.

If you let the bacon hang until it goes rancid, it will smell like Arabs.

Ask the Imam had a KFC question last week. Here's what I learned. If you cook halal chicken in the same frier as non halal chicken the
halal chicken converts to non halal chicken.

I live a couple miles from Paterson NJ and its 60,000 muslims. You don't hear about this kind of crap around here.

#46 theDevil!

So far, I've only heard them say that there was water on Mars.

If they like fried chicken so much, why don't they open a halal chicken restaurant. There's a kosher chicken restaurant near me that has yummy fried, barbecued and shwarma'd chicken. They didn't wait for a KFC to open up in the neighbourhood.

Rick W. (#47),

LOL!

Let them eat hummus!

Slightly OT
Muslims Want Schools Closed On Religious Holidays in Maryland

Disgusting.

#35 Judith
Ha! Good point!

#37 ouizel
Haha! Really good point!

#45 Laurence Simon
ROTFLMAO! Excellent point!

Oh goody! I hope the Muslims win. Then we Jews can demand days off for all our 246 holidays too!

This is the concern I keep trying to give voice to. Under Sharia that which is not allowed to the "faithful" is forbidden to all. In essence there is no requirement to keep faithul because you really have no choice. If Muslims don't like bacon, they shouldn't eat it.

If you as a store owner want to cater to them, get some of your entrees properly certified. But if it makes them get a happy that you removed a choice that non-Muslims might want to appeal to Muslims, then screw you and screw any of them that feel that way.

Ok, as a libertarian, KFC should be free to pander and dhimmi itself all day long. Maybe the real Aussies should start boycotting the dhimmi chicken places so they can pandewr to them instead!

#53 jakester

You can call yourself a libertarian, but you're still just a dhimmi to them.

#46:

Water Once Filled Mars Opportunity Rover Landing Site

And about the group hugs. Those are academics at Caltech's JPL, as opposed to NASA / Air Force types in Houston Mission Control. Radically different culture.

hanz, Like an ear of corn on the cob, you eat them the same. Although it helps if you have all your
teeth.

Judith - Because of Baltimore's large Jewish population, area schools are closed on the High Holidays (Towson is in Baltimore County). I was surprised when I found this out, having grown up in Va. Beach, where my junior high always scheduled Open House on Yom Kippur.

FFF*CCCKKK Muslims. Let them eat bags of sh*t for all I care. Lots of love though.

Jakester post should have read #58.

I have never understood the appeal of KFC. Their chicken is greasy, over-breaded and excessively salted. It is only palatable--barely--is you peel off all the skin, in which case, what's the point? As for the 15 secret herbs and spices--I'd rather have some tandoori chicken. Now thatsa spicy chicken.

Ever been to a McDonald's in Hawaii, and seen the Portuguese sausage, rice, and sai-min on the menu?

Multi-culti SHOULD result in a multiplicity of choices; not in a curtailment of them.

I wonder if the women working at the Aussie KFCs are covered from head to toe. If not, they're inviting dishonor, and may have to be killed.

Major terrorist attack thwarted in Tel Aviv. Tuesday’s high security alert for suicide bomber with bomb belt lifted at day’s end.

Debka.

FYI, for those planning on Writing a Letter, KFC is owned by Yum!, as is Taco Bell, LJS, Pizza Hut, and A&W. Did PepsiCo sell them or just branch off/re-name?

#52 Scaramouche

They didn't wait for a KFC to open up in the neighbourhood.

And that, friends, is what capitalist decisionmaking is really about.

I guess RoP doesn't stand for Religion of Pork.

62 JeffF

Personally I think public schools closing on any religious holiday is wrong, whether its Jewish, Christian or Muslim.

Not long ago I remember the 7-11 around the corner from my house had a big "We Have Kosher Slurpees" sign in the window for a long time. Shrewd gimmick to get more locals in the store, or manifestation of zionist coercion? I dunno. They still sold those nasty hot dogs.

I was inclined at first to think of this as an accomodation to local culture. It only makes business sense to sell what people want to eat. If local culture is overwhelmingly Islamic then it makes sense to sell food that Muslims can eat. The same goes if you're in Israel. No pork.

However, this is Australia. I am not certain but I don't think there are that many overwhelmingly Muslim neighborhoods in that country. If is a case of one individual KFC franchise accomodating the culture of the surrounding neighborhood, resulting in a proportional increase in sales, then I'm ok with deleting bacon from the menu. If KFC is kowtowing to a small, vocal Muslim group, then I call dhimmitude and screw both KFC and the Muslim group trying to enforce its dietary restrictions on everyone else. Let them cook for themselves.

Since it wasn't clear from the story if it was the former or the latter case, I reserve judgement.

The muslims will control all our convenience industry soon.

Check out Osama, he's already managing a 7-11.

There are certain suburban Detroit schools which close on Jewish high holidays too.

I wonder what they do down in Dearborn. Are they closed on muslim holidays? Do they cancel lunch during Ramadan? Prayer rooms? Is head slashing allowed in the halls?

#70 Solomon X

Sounds like in an effort to appeal to local tastes that 7-11 put something on the menu. It didn't remove an item because it caused religious offense. Also, I'm not too worried that religious Jews want to turn the world kosher, but I am concerned that Islamists want to impose their practices on everyone. Why should we collude in our own conquest and make it easy for them?

#73 Geepers

It's still there! That link has to be making the internet rounds. I wonder how many hits they're getting.

JeffF (#76),

LOL. I don't know, but I've kept it open just to see how long it lasts. Journalistic integrity at it's finest. ;-) I wonder if they'll be changing it to the Osama in a Michigan sweatshirt when they find out that one's a fake?

OT

Apologies if this was already posted: Israel nabs 'terror kids'

March 1, 2004 -- JERUSALEM - Israeli authorities arrested three Palestinian boys, ages 12, 13 and 15, who were on their way to attack Israeli civilians with homemade guns - and the young age of the would-be terrorists shocked people on both sides of the bitter conflict.
The parents of the boys condemned Palestinian terror groups for recruiting the children, and other Palestinians voiced outrage that such young children would be involved in what would almost certainly have been a suicide mission.

Israeli police arrested the boys Thursday at a checkpoint.

The boys, from the West Bank village of Tubas, near Nablus, told authorities they planned to shoot people in the Israeli city of Afula.

The youths left a note at home saying they were angry over the fence Israel is building to close off the West Bank.

Kids.

#67 Renna

Pepsi did sell them:

Beverage giant PepsiCo bought the chain in 1986, which already owned the Pizza Hut and Taco Bell chains. PepsiCo spun off its restaurant operations as TRICON Global Restaurants (now YUM! Brands) in 1997 (Hoovers)

Geepers

I kept it open all morning, and I keep checking it to see if it's still up. And I get a laugh every time I look at it. I remember when that picture first made the rounds. We printed it out & hung it in the office. When people would see it, they'd get pissed off ('Why do you have a picture of HIM?'), then go into hysterics once they saw the 7-11.

It's a totally defensive, albeit misguided, attempt to keep their businesses operating.

I suppose I can understand, if not sympathize, with these franchise owners who don't want their restaurants turned "extra crispy" by some of the more rabid adherents to the RoP™.

Perhaps Muslims could elucidate for us the few things that DON'T offend them.

scaramouche -

If this is just the owner's choice to accomodate food service to the locals as a means of getting business, this is the least of our worries.

If this was an act of dhimmitude in the face of muslim bullying, then that's another story.

Also, I'm not too worried that religious Jews want to turn the world kosher . . .

Tell it to Pizza Hut and McDonald's!!!

#84 Solomon X

Tell it to Pizza Hut and McDonald's!!!

And, what do you mean by this?

Solomon X (#84)

Tell it to Pizza Hut and McDonald's!!!

They're kosher?

amir,

Obviously I'm being light hearted here. I mean that PH and McD would fear a (kosher) world without cheeseburgers and pepperoni pizza.

The best way to fight this scurge is for other religious minorities to make the same demands for accomodation. The anarchy created would put a quick end to RoP encroachment.

What about the baked beans? I'm pretty sure I saw a slice of bacon in there the last time I ate at KFC.

OT- One time I was eating at Olive Gardens and a muslim couple sat down and ordered speghetti with meat sauce. An (apparently) muslim busboy walked up to them and said, "The meat sauce has pork in it." The couple promptly changed their order. Didn't know that about the ol' Olive Gardens meat sauce.

I was in Wendy’s not long ago and a Southeast Asian family came in, they appeared to be Muslim, what with the mother and teenage daughter both wearing hijabs and all, so after the obligatory joke to my wife about heading for the exits before they ‘splode, next thing I said to her was, “Isn’t Wendy’s like the bacon fast food king with their bacon cheese burgers, bacon stuffed potatoes, bacon milkshakes, etc? So, just Muslim enough to wear the hijab, not Muslim enough to eat halal, eh, nod, nod, wink, wink?”

#61: Geepers

lol! Btw, here - finally - is the proof: Islam is the religion of peace!

ISLAMABAD, December 15 (Online): A newly Christian turned Muslim Canadian woman Cindy May Falloon has termed all the allegations against the religion of Islam as baseless and has said that this is the only religion which gives the message of peace and harmony.

I'd be glad not to receive such a message.

The first Kosher McDonalds opened in 1995 in Mevasseret Zion outside of jerusalem. Ironically, you can get cheeseburgers in the Jerusalem branch.

First Kosher McDonalds

mmm...bacon!

OT - via Jonah Goldberg at The Corner:

MGM Promises that Agent Cody Banks 2: Destination London Could be the most Anti-Semitic Movie in History!

Spurred by the success of Mel Gibson's recent movie "The Passion of Christ" studios have begun to target the massive audience who apparently desire to see movies which are accused of being anti-semitic. Through six days in theatres Mel Gibson's "Passion of Christ" has grossed over $125 million. MGM has jumped on the band wagon first and completely re-edited and over-dubbed "Cody Banks II: Destination London".

"We have recut our movie to see just how anti-semitic we can get...allegedly." MGM President Larry Gleason stated, "The audience is there and we just have to give them what they want." In the original script, teen spy Cody Banks, was sent by the CIA to London to recover a stolen mind-control device. In the new ending, he goes to Jerusalem to take on the evil Knesset who are secretly controlling the United States government and subjugating innocent Palestinians to death and torture. The studio has also redubbed the movie so that Frankie Muniz's character has a codename of Adolph. And, in a final surprise twist, Agent Banks discovers that Israeli spies were actually the cause of September 11th. "Is it anti-semetic?" Gleason asked, "I think that's an answer only an audience of 40 million ticket buyers could decide."

You'll have to scroll down to the blogger's Monday entries.

They'll have to pry it from my cold, dead, licked fingers.

MacDonald's and burger king, with a very few excepted restaurants, are absolutely kosher in Israel. ( the downtown Jerusalem branch , and the moshav branches aren't kosher but mevasseret and the central bus station are) which means no cheeseburgers, no pork products, and kosher meat. big change from when i first when i first moved to Israel we had, are you ready? MacDavids, ( which McDonalds sued over thename) and burger ranch.( still around).. both kosher.
MacDonald's even makes a special Passover( pesach) burger, which is pretty amazing( in Israel, almost every restaurant is either made stringently kosher for Passover, or closes down for the festival... you can than see how inventive we can be with matzos!) MacDonald's has a pesach burger,, a hamburger (one size only) served on a " bun" which is actually made out of matzo meal and egg, and is kosher for pesach.. its also abysmally bad, but unique!
we did have kentucky fried here, also kosher, but it was very expensive and bad, and uneeded in a nation of fantastic chicken shnitzle cookers.( shnitzle is a freid and bredded chicken cutlet, a bit of a national dish... ) however, allof this kosher stuff is in the jewish state,where the majority of resetraunts ar ekosher, and either mil or meat.
why australia need this is another question all together. and why a country with food as good as mine needs burger ranch is also a question to be pondered.
at least let the world share the macdonlads " pesach burger" for culltural diversity.
( how can the work mot see the absolute cuteness in a coutnry that makes passover burgers? i love it! another reason for evryone to visit, at least once!)

hans ze beeman (#91),

Holy crap! I think Cindy May gets her burkas at Tents-are-Us.

92
amir, lol
when i moved here, in 1984, burger ranch was it! the place to get a urger, if you didnt want one in a pita with hummous. fuya.
we had one in quriat ono, ( near where i served in the army) and my commander, who was very cool , and plus had an ancient volkswagon bug, ( even cooler) would pile about 8 of us into the car to go to burger ranch. what a treat! (wed all have to duck though so we wouldnt get into trouble for car piling )
we always did that on sundays, when it was loof or eggs for lunch on base. they were delicious!
sigh,,, the good old pre mickey- d's day

OT: For you literary types, my pet rat has published his first book review.

But having blood pour out of ones head is A-OK.

Fuck these people. Nothing will ever be good enough for them. KFC was trying to reach out to them even though it hurt their non-muslim customers.
No matter what you do you'll piss some one off, so just do what you do!

#72 Rayra 3/2/2004 11:31AM PST

Fuck that. If you DON'T want bacon, go elsewhere. Don't remove MY choices, for the ravings of a group of fundamentalists.

Why don't you just go elsewhere? They're not "your" choices; they're the choices provided to you by the restaurant. KFC isn't obligated to provide you with non-halal fast food. If (e.g.)Taco Bueno took the lard out of their beans to attract vegetarians to their restaurants, would you be so upset?

As a vegetarian for practically all of my adult life, I can't eat most items at most fast food restaurants. What this means is those restaurants that do make an effort to provide vegetarian choices beyond wilted salads gain almost all of my fast food expenditures, and the lion's share of the fast food expenditures of other vegetarians. It's good business sense for these restaurants, whereas it may not be good sense for other restaurants to provide a selection of vegetarian foods.

To everyone who is upset -- the free market will sort it all out. If these KFCs net out better than before, will you complain that they made a buck selling food to Muslims? (Isn't that part of what we like about Western society?) If they lose out, that'll solve the problem anyway. If it bothers you so much, send a letter complaining about the policy. (Don't know much about Antipodean law but in the US I imagine that businesses would be reluctant to act on boycotts based a refusal to patronize a business meeting a religious requirement -- say you think the bacon is vital instead.)

lizzy #96

Small correction, only seven of the mcdonalds in Israel are kosher, though all use kosher meat.

McDonalds Israel

Do you guys have any idea what all this talk of bacon cheeseburgers is doing to a pregnant gal who only had a salad for lunch?

Well, if it has to be "certified" before they'll eat it, we've been fighting this war entirely wrong.

We should simply go from country to country removing all of the "certified" stickers. The Islamofascists would all starve to death shortly thereafter.

thanks amir!
i think its the burger kings that are all kosher.
they are all so expensive though, i rarely go into one, except for when the kids are starvng and they dont want felafel
oh and to see the pesach burger.
that one gets me evry year! lol

I don't think people here are upset that KFC stopped serving bacon. I never knew that KFC ever served bacon and I see that others here didn't know it either. I think people are upset at the way Muslims are growing and this decision by KFC is a responce to that.

Are there really so many muslims in Australia that this decision by KFC can be profitable? To me that's scary. I think that's the real problem.

Lizzy
I think tomorrow I'm gonna get a Big Mac. THere's a McDonalds between my home and work. It's outside an Arab village. I think I'll ask them if their meat is Hallal. It's a non Kosher branch because I've ordered milk shakes there.

Don't you people have any feelings?!?!

Muslims have to go to restaurants, what with that BOMB FACTORY in the kitchen and everything!

ULULULULULULULULULULULULULUL!!!

48] and i agree with amir.
here in israel . most resteruants are kosher, but some arent. i dont feel offended or put out that resteraunts are kosher, even if i dont keep kosher at home. i just dont care, its my choice to go itno that resteraunt.
i hate islamic terrorism and live with it daily, , i hate liivng with that fear, but i would be a hypocrtie if i say i hated muslims becuase of their eating practices. besides, its only a few branches of kfc... sheesh, in a world where so much horrible stuff happens everyday( and we have just had a hgh terror alert relaxed in tel aviv) who CARES if a few resteraunts dont have bacon in them?
sorry , just how i feel

#94 brianstien

Making Cody Banks II antisemitic is one thing, but making it at all without Hilary Duff is just wrong.

lol
oh amir, give me a pita with a reallly good kebab, salads, and fantastic tchina anyday!

#104 Renna

Congratulations!

Do you guys have any idea what all this talk of bacon cheeseburgers is doing to a pregnant gal who only had a salad for lunch?

If you want a girl, that's fine. If you want a boy, go eat a bacon cheeseburger!

OT But I gotta say it. Charles pulled an EDS and closed the Islamic Blood Ritual thread instead of fixin it.

Coming soon: women no longer allowed to use the KFC drive-through.

#111 lizzy

Me too, please. (BTW, all this chicken talk has prompted me to pop a couple breasts in the oven for din-din.)

#111 lizzy

What, no cheese sause or bacon bits?

amir, im on a roll now
if you go to Anashim, in Ein kerem, they have fantastic hamburgers.. and theres a joint in tel aviv that is so glorius( its at the the very end of dizengoff) it should be made into a shrinne... its not kosher...we go sometimnes just for the burgers.. and they make fantastic hummous too, its right near the old tel aviv port. so you can toddle over there and make pickle grepses as you watch the sea. sigh. life is good.
macdonlads, feh.

Hmmm

A little more sunshine than expected has warmed HOU to 25C at 1 pm, and thus the satellite estmated CAPE as of noon was 2200 J/Kg

A few showers offshore, nothing major yet.

Latest SPC outlook for today still has NW and NC Texas in the SLIGHT RISK area

OT - Mars Plain Once Soaked in Water, NASA Says

After the group hug and beard growth contest, one NASA scientist discussed evidence that the water on Mars began drying up when martian muslims began their take over.

They had some objection to water and bacon, then they just started destroying everything. And Mars is how you see it now.

scaramouche.. come on over for yom atzmaut, and ill make you some fab-o kebabim!

For the Muslims to whine and seethe about:

Today is National Pig Day!

#113 GW

What's an EDS?

lizzy

I'll try to get to those places, like when my youngest kid gets drafted.
We go out so infrequently.
The last time we went to a restausrant, my oldest daughter (she's in third grade) asked if we have to clear the table and do the dishes.
THAT'S HOW SECLUDED MY F*CK*NG LIFE has become with my damn Israeli salary!
Sorry, for the outburst.

Perot's former company, tech and network support. My comment was an OnStar joke. EDS writes and publishes the program but they usually only patch problems instead of figuring out the cause and nippin it in the bud. Thought maybe a few techies around would get it.

OT - The Congressional Black Caucus is seething: CBC: Bush helped rebels oust Aristide

Black lawmakers said the White House must prove that Aristide was not kidnapped.

Jesse's doing his best to stir the pot:

Jackson said Congress should investigate whether United States, specifically the CIA, had a role in the rebellion that led to Aristide's exile.

I'll bet the DUmmies are apoplectic over this.

MacDonald's has a pesach burger, a hamburger (one size only) served on a " bun" which is actually made out of matzo meal and egg, and is kosher for pesach.. its also abysmally bad

...and such small portions!

#125 brianstien

Black lawmakers said the White House must prove that Aristide was not kidnapped.

How do you prove a negative? And, will Bush give them a strong alibi?

"I was with Cheney that night having drinks at the local bar, officer"

I just got home from the VA hospital, the grocery store for ice cream, and what is the first thing I read when I get online? Sheer ass crap!
If these people don't like bacon, then stay away from where it's offered on the menu!
Otherwise if KFC can't just say no, then I would suggest the Aussies boycott the fast food chain until they get it straight.
But maybe that's the intent, to cause the chain to go out of business as they really have no interest in eating there.
This is reaching way over the top.

alvy..
lol!!!
well when its the pesachburger, or the hot dog with the soggy matzoh wrapped around it and deeped fried or chewing off your right arm from hunger, its many a time the pesach burger. (or the one week all inclusive hotel in cyprus.)

#126 Alvy Singer

Hey Alvy, do you still need the eggs?

/obscure Annie Hall reference

silent-running has posted a link to a story in australia where a taxi driver refused to take a blind man because of his dog. Silent-running assumes the taxi driver is Muslim and wouldn't let the dog in because it is not a clean animal (reminds me of Pulp fiction) but he doesn't rrovide proof.

dhimmi watch

JeffF. (#62)

Are you in Towson? I hear it's 70 there right now.

OT - well now we have it; here's a deal that J. Friggin hari-Keri^™, the EU and every hopeful dhimmi will fall over themselves for Let the West Make Peace With Islam First

People in the region acknowledge that other countries have surpassed them in development; they lag behind in economic productivity and have not been able to move ahead with political reform. However, they insist that the blame is not solely theirs but should also be placed on US policies in the Middle East over the past decades.

OT

Ari Halberstam remembered

The southbound ramp on the Brooklyn Bridge, renamed the Ari Halberstam Ramp in 1995, was closed to traffic for more than an hour, as dozens of Hasidic Jews and other mourners prayed and remembered the Crown Heights 16-year-old killed by an anti-Israeli terrorist.

Ari Halberstam died from bullet wounds after a Lebanese immigrant, livery driver Rashid Baz, opened fire on a van of teenage yeshiva students as it entered the bridge. Three other students were injured.

123
oh amir, tell me , baby,, lets do it together
ARGHHH
HHH!
and again
AROOO!
AND WAIT! heres the best part,,im supposed to get( are you ready) audited soon!HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
im a freelance graphic designer, with two kinder , and an unemplyed hubby.
let em DO THEIR WORST! OLOLOLOLOL
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahah
errr, sorry folks.
i also have a third grader, and a 7th grader. doing the costume- frantic- finishing thing this week.
do you live in jerusalem? maybe we can get the crew together !

Due to mad cow comcerns I now only eat
Buffalo Meat burgers from Trader Joes.

Ummm.

#127 rip ford

Better yet, W could say he was scoring brews for his underage daughters. With that clear violation of the law, W would be duly persecuted, meeting one of Toni Morrison's criterion for a black presidency.

OT I just got hit with Taliban virus. Here is the code behind the virus>>>>

Dear Infidel Receiver,

You have now received a Taliban virus. Since we are not
technologically advanced in Afghanistan, this is a MANUAL virus.

Please delete all the files on your hard disk yourself, and
send this email to everyone you know.

Thank you very much for helping me in my efforts to destroy western
civilization.

Mullah Mujaffa, Taliban IT Manager

Jeez, even the McDonalds in Jerusalem asked me if I wanted cheese on my quarter-pounder (actually, "Royale").

#137 brianstien

LOL

Hans 91

Cripes, she'd need the whole bolt of cloth to make her burka.

I think KFC, which is crap anyhow, taking bacon of the menu in 4 outlets is a tempest in a teapot. One would guess they are probably in neighbourhoods with large Muslim populations and they are just trying to make a buck.

Lizzy
My in laws are Jerusalemites, so I get there once in a while.

the human rights co-ordinator for the Islamic Council of

...

anyplace

Isn't that an oxymoron? Like jumbo shrimp?

lizzy,

From me.
Sorry about the long loading time, I did not want to paste it here.

I just could not bring myself to walk into Burger Ranch Jerusalem. The ads on the radio were ever too cheerfully singing about it, but the name sounded for all the world like "booger ranch"

And for the price of the meal I expect - oh, I don't know, a PLATE.

#138 elBarto abu D'oh

LOL. That reminded of The Taliban vs. The Telemarketers.

#123 amir, LOL!
lizzy, I'm laughing pretty hard at you, too-eight IDF babes in a VW bug?
Colt, I just thought of another reason to be jealous of you-
in Israel, they're all IDF babes!

#96 lizzy

which means no cheeseburgers, no pork products

!!!

No Bacon Double-Cheeseburgers?!

I'm afraid I won't be visiting Israel this summer... ;-)

chana,, booger ranch! gleeful howl! gotta love it!
what about the " woffers" in burger king? lol
they dont put vowels under the word whopper, so unkless youve had them in the states, you dont know if its a soft or hard peh
so ive heard many a person order a " woffers" which of course, as my english husband says" puts you roight off yer food, that does",
one of my favourites though, is " pop cor-en"... love that one.
my almost 13 and 9 year old girls ( little sabras) are very proud that they say" burger," but still do the direct translation form hebrew to english stuff, which cracks me up. one once said , as we were playing
" stop, mommy, fly from my eyes" ( oofie me ha anayim sheli) which pretty much floored old mom.

#147 evariste

Colt, I just thought of another reason to be jealous of you- in Israel, they're all IDF babes!

Hmm. Ok, I take back #148. I'll go.

But only because of the uniforms.

evariste, no we had boaz with us too... and i had him at bezalel with me also.. a really nice guy, but one of those know- it -alls who dorve us all mad.. but we were a group so he came with us,,evrywhere. he cuold polish off three" boogers" with out gaining anything on his lanky frame, as i recall, which made us all hate him.

#148 colt

I live near kibbuts Mizra which is Israel's primary producer of pork. If you come to Israel I'll make sure you get your tummy's desire of bacon burgers.

(Will do anything to bring visitors to Israel.)
(well, not anything)

colt and evariste.. lololol
colt, shall i warn the iiidf gals now that youre on the way this summer?
one day on the beach in tel aviv, and youll be in the citizanship office the next day.

Naturally I'm appalled at the bit by bit Islamic take over, but on the other hand even more appalling is that people are actually eating fried chicken and bacon at the same time. Holly shit.

Producing halal meat means slaughtering animals in an unnecessarily cruel way. According to an Australian friend, their Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals refuses to take a stand on the ever-increasing business of producing halal meat. Evidently, Muslim feelings are more important than the Society's first mission of working against cruelty to animals. KFC takes bacon off the menu

amir, wowo, are you a kibutznik on kibbutz mizra? the kibbutz which sells sells the " white meat"?
wehave russian frinds that bought special chorizo to the independence day al ha aish last year, and it contained" special meat" errr,,, hmmm.. lol
i was a kibbutznik 2000000000000 years ago, in my puppyhood, ( well a kibbutz ulpanist)
on ramat david,

My Democrat party spam is escalating! Still no clue how I got on the list, having never ever voted for one...it's interesting though. They've brought out the biggest gun!

A Special Message From President Bill Clinton

Dear Evariste,

Finally, the moment we've waited for has arrived.

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Let's make the most of it. Let's use every day we have -- and every ounce of energy we can muster -- to win a decisive victory for the Democratic Party -- and America -- this November.

As I write, the contest for the Democratic presidential nomination is entering its most intensive stage. Some of us have chosen to focus all of our attention on preparing the Party for November, on setting the stage for our eventual nominee's success. Others are enthusiastically backing one of the many excellent candidates who have stepped forward.

Whichever path you personally have taken, it is vitally important that you immediately lend your financial support to the critical next phase of the Democratic National Committee's 2004 Victory Action Plan.

Every Democrat from every corner of our Party has to step forward right now and help. There can be no waiting, no hesitation, no thinking that preparing for the general election is something we can get around to once we know who will be our nominee.

I'll tell you this: The Republican National Committee isn't waiting. They're stockpiling tens of millions of dollars with only one purpose in mind: to deliver a devastating political blow to our nominee as soon as one is chosen.

It's the only way they can win -- and we cannot let them get away with it. Our Republican opponents know that they can't possibly succeed if they run on their record. They'd be trying to defend the indefensible.

They can't defend a relentless obsession with tax cuts for the wealthy during an administration with the worst economic record since Herbert Hoover. They can't explain environmental policies that would give polluters more freedom to dirty our air and timber companies more opportunity to ravage the last roadless areas in our national forests.

They can't defend their senseless attacks on civil liberties, needless provocations on civil rights, and dangerous tactics in foreign policy.

They can't defend the many ways they have moved America in the wrong direction and, chances are, they won't try to. Instead they'll go on the attack, tearing down our candidate from day one.

It's our job to help our presidential candidate and other Democrats caught up in tight races fight their way through to victory. We've got to be with them every step of the way, unfailing in our loyalty, unyielding in our determination.

Believe me, we have a powerful story to tell in this election -- and, if you and other key Democratic Party supporters stand by our candidates, we'll get that story out to voters all across America -- and we'll win.

But it won't be easy. The Republicans will have over a half a billion dollars at their disposal -- more money than any presidential campaign in history -- and a willingness to do whatever it takes to prevail.

Let's show them what we're made of -- demonstrate how a Party acts when it has the strength of its convictions.

They'll try to win by disguising their ideology and intentions. But we'll carry the day by proclaiming our principles and making it crystal clear where we intend to lead America.

They'll try to win by avoiding the truth. But we'll shout it from the rooftops.

I know you have done a great deal already to support our Party as we prepare for one of the most critical elections in history. But, I urge you to get our 2004 efforts off to a strong start by sending an immediate donation in as generous an amount as you can possibly afford.

We need your energy, your spirit, your determination -- and your financial support. Please respond as quickly and as generously as you can.

Sincerely,

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P.S. I can tell you from personal experience that there is nothing more heartening to a presidential nominee than to know that committed Democrats have devoted the time, energy and financial resources to prepare for the general election. Your decision to lend critical support in early 2004 is absolutely essential to our success in November.

OT -- Hard Facts Lacking in Europe's Anti-Semitism Drive

PARIS (Reuters) - Determining the real state of anti-Semitic violence in Europe is extremely difficult because few states collect enough data about it, the European Commission against Racism and Intolerance (ECRI) said Tuesday.

The lack of sufficient data also makes it difficult to say whether some recent attacks reflect a "new anti-Semitism" from Muslims in Europe protesting against Israel's policies toward Palestinians, ECRI chairman Michael Head said.

Must have been just another Jewish conspiracy I guess.

144, rip
awww, thanks love!
awww!
hug

I suppose that Bilal Cleland can provide the "certifiction" as being "Halal", I also sure that he must be a graduate of the "Jesse Jaclson School of Corprate Shakedown".

lizzy
I'm no kibbutznik.
Just live in the region.

Water on Mars!

What next, bottled Martian Water?!

delivered to your door by greybearded JPL scientists who will also deliver a group hug...

...I wonder how this discovery will sit with the Vatican!

I always wondered if we discovered life elsewhere in the universe, who did not look like us, then the Vatican is going to have to do some explaining how we were the only ones developed in the likeness of god!

I used to live in Sydney, in the Arncliffe suburb, which, as it happens, has the highest concentration of Muslims in the country, mostly Lebanese. The biggest mosque on the continent was a block down and around the corner from my house. I don't recall any fast food places, to get things like that you had to go into the city, or to the shopping center in Kogarah.

What I do remember were a whole bunch of little places, like a... well, I don't know if deli was the right word for it, but it was a place that did sandwiches and cold salads, and their sandwiches were on this big flat Lebanese bread, and rolled up. And what seemed like a million small Indian eateries, six or eight tables and a take-away window. The Indians all seemed to live elsewhere, but opened their restaurants in Arncliffe.

I used to love living there, I thought it was so wonderful, that Australia was the most magical place, and that my little house was the best house in the world, and that the worst thing that could happen in my neighborhood would be getting run over by one of the crazy Lebanese drivers if I was out walking after dark. But it's been almost ten years, and I honestly don't know if you could pay me enough money to live there again. Not now, not anymore.

It kind of feels to me, the way a Portuguese friend of mine who grew up in Angola described. Angola was his home, and now his home's been changed forever by war, and he can't ever go home again. It's really sad.

KFC won't serve pork products in what (I presume) are areas with large Muslim population concentrations.

It's called marketing, Charles, not conspiracy.

Grow up.

#152 amir

I live near kibbuts Mizra which is Israel's primary producer of pork. If you come to Israel I'll make sure you get your tummy's desire of bacon burgers.

Phew!

Um... pork made in Israel? I'm not exactly a rabbi, but I didn't think that was allowed.

(Will do anything to bring visitors to Israel.) (well, not anything)

LOL! I'll bring my own pork if needs be :-)

#153 lizzy

colt, shall i warn the iiidf gals now that youre on the way this summer?

That won't be necessary. I'll do my best to spread the, ahem, word once I get there ;-)

one day on the beach in tel aviv, and youll be in the citizanship office the next day.

Maybe. It all depends on the skiing. If the skiing is good, customs will have to dump me at sea to get rid of me.

#159 lizzy

No, thank you.

Curious, I looked at McDonald's Saudi site, wonering if they sold Bagels. Guess who owns their McDonalds?

HH Prince Misha'al Bin Khalid Bin Fahad Al Faisal Al Saud Licensee McDonald's Central & Eastern Provinces

#164 Gordon

Where does Charles say it's a conspiracy?

#165 colt

There is some kind of law against raising pigs on Israeli soil. But if I'm not mistaken, Mizrah gets around that by raising them on raised wooden planks. They don't actually touch the soil.
Jews can solve any halachic problem creatively.
It reminds me of a joke where a Hasid wants to take a taxi on a hot summer day. Problem is its Saturday. So like Moses parted the red sea, he raises his hands and parts the sabbath and takes an airconditioned taxi in the middle.

Why are people still talking to Gordon? Haven't we all decided that, after the "sad" departure of Voice From Islam, AKA the Howling Banshee, Gordon is LGF's resident idiotarian?

#154 Loyd Dobbler

LMAO! (Second time today from one of your comments :-)

#164 Gordon

From the article:

Last year the Hume City Council tried to ban ham and pork at its functions as a sign of respect to Muslims.

Apparently, Jews don't elicit the same respect.

It's called marketing

Pissing off the Christians and getting rid of a large number of food products won't expand their market. Adding to their menus would.

Unless, of course, this isn't about marketing...

Wonder how many times they've eaten Mexican without knowing it has lard.

#170 amir

There is some kind of law against raising pigs on Israeli soil. But if I'm not mistaken, Mizrah gets around that by raising them on raised wooden planks. They don't actually touch the soil.

Devilishly clever...

LOL!

OT - Jon Benet Aristide Has Been Kidnapped.

Jon Benet Aristide Has Been Kidnapped!

His parents (John and Patsy Aristide) have asked the kidnapper or kidnappers to come forward. In no way was it them, so don't even think about it!

:P

'Coop

Did Gor-don post something intelligent fart again?

MOrdred-I love how Gordon always addresses Charles. As if Charles ever pays attention to him! The other thing I love is that he always accuses Charles of saying something that either we said, or no one at all said! If you read Charles carefully, whatever Gordon's accusing him of is never in there. Then he always inserts a command: "Grow up" or "Get used to it". If Gordon got banned, I could recreate him from a template!

#157 evariste

They've brought out the biggest gun!

What?!?! Not Shrillary!!!

Oh, nevermind, it's only Bubba. To be expected I supposed, since their Wesleybot imploded.

yes, amir, i read that too, about the pigs on the planks.
and colt , you can even by these products in jerusalem, at certain butchers, often called " white meat" ie-pork. it is very expnsive though, and the other cold cuts here are really not bad.
but dont worry, i think israeli food is going to win you over so that you really wont miss the pork etc.. and youll learn to love really the simple good israeli salads and fresh pitas, on a hot day, followed by goregeous watermelon, ...yummm
all david missess now, after living in israel for 4 years , is cadburiys picnics,, and we go into the old city sometimes to get him those.
this thread has gotten me hungry, so im off to work .
bye all!!! lila tov

Remember when Burger king first introduced Bagels
three choices:

Bagel with bacon

Bagel with sausage

Bagel with Ham

Am I remembering right?

also:

[Link: news.pacificnews.org...]

Burger King Changes Ad After Muslims Complain

A Muslim character named Rasheed will no longer be promoting Burger King's bacon-cheddar sandwich after an Islamic group complained to the fast food chain.

The Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) recently sent a letter to Burger King after several Muslims complained upon hearing the bacon-cheddar radio commercial. In the ad Rasheed reads a poem listing the virtues of the sandwich and greets others as "brothers and sisters."

"They were offended that someone with a Muslim name would be praising a sandwich that contains pork," said Ibrahim Hooper, a spokesman for CAIR. Muslims are forbidden by their religion from eating pork.

CAIR said that Burger King agreed to take the ad off the air. But a Burger King spokesman, Rob Doughty said, "All we agreed to was to change the name of the character." Doughty also defended the use of the name Rasheed, saying it was "not necessarily Muslim, but also African-American."

Thom-what I want to know is who untied him from the pissing tree!

#181 evariste

The what?

#175 Cooper for President

LOL

piglet-LMAO at Rasheed!

#182 Stuttering John

An iside joke.

evariste,

Which thread is that from?

Lizzy, Colt

Looks like the planks are a myth, I just did a search on Google.

Though tourists and many Israelis themselves are under the impression that pigs are absent or hard to find in Israel, there are actually thousands of pink porkers across the land.

Some 25 pig farms are deemed legal, according to a 1963 law that holds pigs in Israel can be raised for scientific research or in designated areas, primarily Christian villages.

Kibbutz Lahav in the Negev is the only known and legal pig farm in a Jewish village - it transformed its pens into the Institute of Animal Research the same year as the new legislation. Even though the hogs that don't make it to the laboratories are apparently sold for meat production, Orthodox legislators have been unsuccessful in their quest to close the pens, after they tried and failed to find unethical business practices. (Lahav did not return calls or answer e-mailed questions about its research.)

There is no official data, but it is suspected by industry insiders that at least a couple of owners of pig pens in Christian villages are Jews trying to keep their identities under wraps.

Kibbutz Mizra in the Jezreel Valley stopped raising pigs years ago, but is infamous as the largest pork-product factory in a Jewish-Israeli village.

The Arby's chain has a quite tasty Chicken Bacon & Swiss sandwich as well as a Chicken Cordon Bleu (with ham instead of bacon). Both are quite tasty. Seems to me that the Aussies might have has a similar sandwich offering. Pisses me off that the chain has caved in to the mooners and has changed the name to Kitchen Fresh Chicken (we used to stop at the original KFC in Berea, KY on our trips from Tennessee to Ohio back in the late '60's).

Y'know why you don't see many Muslims working in a fast food restaraunt? Everytime the front line hollers "Buns up!", they think it is a call to prayer. (Ex-Mickey Dee's grill/buns/maintenance guy here...)

Hearing that crap from Cindy May, proves to me they spelled her last name wrong, it is Buffoon...or from the looks of her, Balloon (as in "hot air" or "big as an air-defense..."

Dennis Prager's comment that radical secularism and radical Islam were two sides of the same coin sent Andrew Sullivan (and probably others) into predictable Crazy Old Coot-type rants, but this article does kind of illustrate something.

Well, I went and read the Dennis Prager column to which Andrew Sullivan was objecting, and if you'll permit me to indulge in some Crazy Old Cootism:

HOLY SHEEE-YIT, DENNIS PRAGER IS A NUTBALL

Prager's column linked above is a perfect illustration of why "idiotarian" is a non-partisan term, because he indulges in exactly the same sort of dumb-fuck rhetorical devices that LLL writers use, only with a conservative [Judeo-]Christian slant. Leftist idiots, for example, are prone to ominous ramblings about how Bush, Cheney, and Ashcroft are going to turn America into a fundamentalist Christian dystopia any day now. Prager, coming from the right, forecasts an equally plausible future in which

any media -- films, advertisements, greeting cards -- that only depict married couples as a woman and a man will be considered discriminatory and probably be sued.

...and it gets SCARIER...

those religious groups that only marry men [to] women will be deemed beyond the pale, marginalized and ostracized

Sheesh. He gets paid for this bilge?

#181 evariste

I dunno, but I hope they put him back quick - I gotta take a leak.

Coop', not only was Aristide kidnapped, Uday and Qusay are Still Alive!

Stuttering John, Spiny Norman-John Gibbon said we should play hide and seek with Gordon, making him count to 999999 or something.Later, John wants to have a party. I suggest what we ought give him to drink. We should pee on him so the ladies can have a monopoly on the bathroom. We're gentlemen after all!

OT OT OT

The commies have tried again to make a mess, we will have to start all the story from zero again:

(FOX NEWS)

The Senate voted 90-8 to defeat the bill that would deny victims the opportunity to sue gunmakers and dealers when their products are used in a crime.

WHY ? BECAUSE:

The vote followed a 52-47 vote to attach an amendment that would have renewed for 10 years the assault weapons ban (search) set to expire this year. The Senate also voted 53-46 to require background checks (search) of purchasers buying guns at private shows.
Democratic presidential contenders John KERRY (search) of Massachusetts and John Edwards (search) of North Carolina broke away from the Super Tuesday campaign trail TO CAST VOTES— their first of the year. Both voted for the renewal and the background checks.

FOLKS, REMEMBER THAT, NEXT NOVEMBER.
THEY WANT TO DISARM US WHEN WE ARE INVADED AND AT WAR.

Well, we have no bill, but the bastards have not renewed the ban on normal rifles that they call assault weapons to scare the idiots.

OT:
Good News

My very first meal in Israel was pork ribs. (In a restaurant on the beach in Tel Aviv near the Dan Hotel.) They were sinfully delicious.

#181 Evariste...

Now, I'm pretty good with knots, and I put him there, but I can't account for my drunken stupor time,...who untied Gordon!

Perhaps it was the Olsen Twins, showing him a little mercy!

#192 Evariste -

The only time I would not pee on him, would be when he was on fire.

Re #30:

I'm reminded of Jimmy Buffett's song "Cheeseburger in Paradise":

I like mine with lettuce and tomato
Heinz 57 and French fried potato
A big kosher pickle and a cold draft beer ...

When I was young and knew little about pickles, I was alternately amused and confused by the idea of someone ordering a cheeseburger (non-kosher by definition) who specifies that he wants a kosher pickle to accompany it.

amir.. wwow you must be close to my old kibbutz, ramat david...
lots of happy memories from there, and the beautiiful emek.
i was a littel pup with stars in my eyes, and fell head over heels in love with israel while on the kibbutz. i decided to become a citizen and make aliya on my first month there, in august 1984, so that whole part of the country holds a special place in my heart. iin 3 months its 20 years i must be mad.
im getting soppy now.
back to work.

John Gibbon, LOL!

Perhaps it was the Olsen Twins, showing him a little mercy!

Umm, my friend, if the Olsen Twins came to your house during a party and they were at any point sober enough to untie one of your knots, I think you were showing them a little too much mercy!
Frank IBC-I'd still pee on him, I'd just take frequent pauses so it never puts him out!

170 amir

There is some kind of law against raising pigs on Israeli soil.

If I lived in Israel, THIS is what I would find infuriating. We rant about four McDonalds bending to the wishes of a religious minority on dietary matters. How about the entire country of Israel held hostage to the religious convictions of a small fanatic Orthodox minority?

BBQ!!! That's the problem with a lot of folks in the world, they just need to eat a plate of good North Carolina BBQ with some red slaw.

John Gibbon, they should have been handcuffed to your bed at all times! sigh maybe I should throw a party :-)

#188 Clutch

I remember when Kentucky Fried Chicken first changed to KFC.

Dennis Miller on SNL: "C'mon, it's fried chicken. Give up; you can't be hip about fried chicken!"

#132 J.D.

I just got home to Baltimore (just south of Towson) from DC. It's around 70 in both places. I'm hoping that Spring is here to stay but I doubt it.

#177 evariste

You beat me to it! I just got home & am catching up on the comments, as usual, when--also as usual--out of nowhere comes 'Charles, you're an idiot'. It cracks me up the way it comes out of leftfield. No pun intended. Really.

Uh oh, here come the BBQ wars!
Well, I better declare my allegiance-I like BBQ the way Texas does it, but NC is ok too :-)

Seriously, I can't believe KFC's caving in like this. There's a grace to being in the minority that should be observed. If I were in Israel and pining for a cheeseburger and couldn't find it, I wouldn't piss and moan about it; I accept that I'm just a visitor, and that some things are harder to find. . . .

BPP (#201)

How about the entire country of Israel held hostage to the religious convictions of a small fanatic Orthodox minority?

I'm not a "religious fanatic" and I don't eat bacon. It's a Jewish country, remember?

logger phd-Islam and grace are antonyms.

#202 spooky2 3/2/2004 02:12PM PST

BBQ!!! That's the problem with a lot of folks in the world, they just need to eat a plate of good North Carolina BBQ with some red slaw.

...I prefer mine 'wet' with some of the red vinegar sauce!

#203 evariste

John Gibbon, they should have been handcuffed to your bed at all times! sigh maybe I should throw a party :-)

Yoikes! man, remember we have a countdown to wait for. Besides, their SAT scores are much too intimidating! (Where's Rayra?)

#206 evariste

Good answer.
{eyes the crowd menacingly}

#91 hans ze beeman

she said during an exclusive interview with 'PakTribune' on Sunday .

Yes, I'm sure all the world's media were duking it out for this exclusive. First the OBL 7-11 picture, now this...I'm starting to wonder about PakTribune. Haha--I get a great laugh just thinking about that picture.

logger phd-That's a good point though, that's how I'd behave...For instance, I belong to a minority that hates disgusting fast food franchises, so I stick to locally-owned small business fast foods and regular restaurants. I don't go around seething, whining and threatening the Yum!s and McDonald's of the world, I just avoid them entirely.

Who the hell eats Kentucky Fried Chicken anyway?

#214 evariste

My cheapest good meal out was a delightful spicy rice-ravioli kind of dish (the name escapes me) with a Pepsi in a hole in the wall in Calcutta. Less than $1 total.

I ate almost completely vegetarian in India, and I remember it being one the best culinary adventures ever.

201 BPP

In reply to this comment of Amir's:

There is some kind of law against raising pigs on Israeli soil.

You write this:

If I lived in Israel, THIS is what I would find infuriating. We rant about four McDonalds bending to the wishes of a religious minority on dietary matters. How about the entire country of Israel held hostage to the religious convictions of a small fanatic Orthodox minority?

Which got me thinking. What if I wrote this?

There is some kind of law against killing people on American soil.

What, then, would you say? Would you say it would infuriate you, because making murder illegal is bending to the wishes of a religious minority on morality matters?

Israel was founded as a JEWISH state, and as a free state, they are pretty much allowed to make whatever laws they damned well please. I mean jeez, in America, the freest nation on earth, in many places it's illegal to smoke. I would say that's more of an infringement on somebody's liberty than not being allowed to raise pigs. What the hell kind of market do you really think there is for pork in Israel, anyway? I'm sure Israel's pork needs are adequately met, for those who wish for pork.

Sorry, I meant #213 evasriste

Only online would I ever mistake you for zulubaby ;-)

BBQ wars? Seriously? :-)

zulubaby-LOL! My sentiments exactly. I should hope that Australians have some options like Wieners Circle, Harold's Chicken Shack, and Al's Italian Beef and can skip the KFCs and McDonald's of the world. If not then I am very sorry for them.

201 zulubaby

Come on, you know as well as I do that the vast majority of Israelis are not religious, don't keep kosher and chafe at the restrictions of the Orthodox in a big way. Laws that ban non-kosher meat are nothing but the tyranny of a minority. I've never understood why secular Israelis put up with that shit.

As a bacon, sausage and shrimp-loving Jew who's married to someone who doesn't allow that stuff in the house, I feel their pain.

#214 zulubaby 3/2/2004 02:22PM PST

Who the hell eats Kentucky Fried Chicken anyway?

I haven't had it since I was a kid...and that's way back in the 'way back' machine.

fried chicken has never appealled to my abs

(NC BBQ and hot wings are a different story)

#214 Zulubaby: read "Fast Food Nation" and you'll never patronize ANY of those establishments again.

Colt-you have a lot to learn about being an American, my friend! :-)
BBQ wars are some of the closest we get to outright fanaticism!!
Of course you're a New Englander, right? Maine or something? You guys like to fight about who has the best crabs, lobster, chowdas...

logger phd:
Somewhat OT, but how are your plans to move to the 'Peg progressing? If you want to talk off line drop me an email. Just make sure you tell me you've sent it, because I only check my "lgf" account when I'm expecting mail.

Colt, you need to get your butt back to the States after the IDF babes have had their way with you :-)

logger phd (#217)

LOL, I've never been mistaken for a boy! Well online maybe :-)

Wow, I just discovered this awesome site: Roadfood.

#223 evariste

I pity the fool who even mentionsManhattan Clam Chowda...

#223 evariste

Of course you're a New Englander, right? Maine or something? You guys like to fight about who has the best crabs, lobster, chowdas...

Hey, that's chowduh ;-)

(NH, and only when I was a kid, and only for a little less than a year.)

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Buried in a Reuters bitch-fest about settlements, is this:

Israeli police said they foiled a suicide bombing in Tel Aviv after cordoning off the main bus station. "A terror attack was prevented today in Tel Aviv," a police spokesman said, adding a court issued a gag order on the details.

Link

One of the things I love most about living in a fairly big city is there are plenty of great food choices not involving fast food or chain restaurants. It seems like in the newer suburb towns, if you don't want KFC or McD's, you're other choices are Fridays & Applebees. I don't know when the last time I went to McD's was, and there's one two blocks from my house.

Shit, I was just on the BBQ part of it, apparently they cover everything! I'm doomed, you guys.

#225 evariste

I'll try. A relative knows a Republican congressman, so I could get (another) internship :-)

The BBQ Oral History Project

#227 evariste: Ha! You call that "roadfood"? THIS book tells you all you need to know about "roadfood":

Manifold Destiny: The One, The Only Guide to Cooking on Your Car Engine

#233 Me-apparently the BBQ Oral History Project only covers rural Tennessee BBQ...Iron Fist is a Tennesseean so I'll have to turn him on to this.

evariste (#219)

I can't face those fast-food places, I imagine they're absolutely filthy. I won't even use a microwave, I have a thing about synthetic foods and that's what fast-food is. To me anyway.

BPP (#220)

As a bacon, sausage and shrimp-loving Jew who's married to someone who doesn't allow that stuff in the house, I feel their pain.

Good! :-P

John Gibbon (#221)

fried chicken has never appealled to my abs

Just one more reason not to eat it.

Gordon (#222)

I can only imagine.

It is with some trepidation that I open evariste's Road Food link...

#234 Occasional Reader

I shit you not, I think we have that book :-)

#236 zulubaby, you're missing out!
And they're not filthy, these small joints take a lot more pride in their food, they usually have much higher quality ingredients, the owner usually works there all day...besides, you know they still have health inspections just like any other restaurant! And you can 99% of these places watch them making your food. I'd much rather trust them :-)

#238 Colt: A word of caution--food cooked on a car engine can only be certified as "halal" if the car is running on Saudi gasoline.

(I do have the book, by the way--it's a hoot. Never tried to recipes, but a friend of mine has.)

Cool! Roadfood has a Where Should I Eat forum. I'm already discovering places in my usual haunts that I didn't know about! What a resource.

Here's an old Jerusalem Post story about bomb-sniffing pigs in Israel. The article notes:

According to Jewish law, the pig is no more treif (non-kosher) than a shrimp or a rabbit. But in Jewish awareness, swine draw particular revulsion. The religiously observant have for ages fought to keep pigs out of the Holy Land. There were even laws passed against raising pigs in Israel, something that was never passed against horses, dogs, or camels, which are also treif.

But Kibbutz Lahav, from the staunchly secular Hashomer Hatzair movement, found a loophole in the law. Dr. Dan Ratner, an expert in pig breeding and a geneticist, helped found the Israel Institute for Animal Studies.

"There was a law passed in 1963 banning pig farming in Israel. All the kibbutzim stopped raising pigs. But the law allowed pigs to be raised for research purposes. Any surplus pigs were allowed to be slaughtered," Ratner says.

Surplus?

"Oh we have thousands of surplus pigs every season," he says with a wink, adding that the slaughterhouse is one of the most economically stable kibbutz endeavors.

Make that "never tried the recipes".

#241 evariste

Calm it down buddy. Breath in...breath out...in...out...

RWC-I'm losing my shit, this is so awesome! I wish I hadn't already ate, there's already a few new places on my list.

evariste (#239)

Exactly. I want access to the kitchen! ;-)

#242 Throbert:

According to Jewish law, the pig is no more treif (non-kosher) than a shrimp

The article fails to mention the ill-fated "bomb-sniffing shrimp" program; a total disaster.

Occasional Reader-LOL!

BPP - Stop whining. We all have our cross to bear. No cheesburgers, no crab legs, no pork chops - man, life's a bitch, isn't it? Plainly, though, your spouse is a person of character. Anyway, the truth is you can get anything you want in Israel (even shrimp). Just need to know where to go.

So long as we are talking regional 'bests' in food, if you love mussels or oysters, you must go to Prince Edward Island (PEI) in the cool part of Canada, The Maritimes

Malpeque Oysters and Blue mussels

Well worth the summertime travel

245 evariste

I'm losing my shit

Hrmph. I thought I was the only one who said that anymore.

#12, V the K

That is a really interesting point of view.

I think you're right.

Stormi, heh! All my friends say it, it's not uncommon ;-)

You must have cool friends, if you guys all talk like me.

Zulubaby, Evariste,

The most gourmet item in Chicago is the famous Vienna all pure beef HOT DOG.

The Chicago Hot Dog

missing them!

Yeah. We think we're pretty hot shit ourselves!

Flattened fauna

Real road food

John Gibbon-damn straight! Well, you can't just write off Italian Beefs like that, but Chicago dogs are the best.
My favorites are Wieners Circle, Demon Dog, and Superdawg. What're yours?

levi from queens-I love all the reviews by stupid hippies! LMAO!

257 levi, dude...

That's messed up. But as soon as somebody mentioned road food I knew it would happen.

Then when I was in Iquitos my friend and I went a few times to the "soup lady": we just went to her house, she had a different soup every day, and we gave her the equivalent of $1.70 or so.

That is one of the joys of traveling in the developing world: you often have to eat off the beaten path, because there is no KFC or McDonald's out there.

logger phd-what I wouldn't give to to eat with Iquitos' soup lady and that hole in the wall in Calcutta! I need to visit the 3rd world one of these days :-)

I used to go here as a kid, but that's only because I went to HS in Highland Park.

went to quite a few downtown, the same places my dad used to go as a teenager. But I forget the names now.

What's the name of that famous rib joint in Chicago? There was even a M.A.S.H. tv show about it.

Sure, fast food chains do adapt to the regional food customs. In Paris one can get wine at MacDonalds and in Munich beer. In the usual paper cup I might add!

I doubt that "no bacon" reflects the regional cuisine of Australia.

I fail to see the logic how the KFC in Australia is making a business decision by removing bacon from the menu because 1. Muslims still wouldn't go if the products were not certified and 2. for it to be a business decision would have to mean a majority of the clientele would be Muslim.

I didn't know they had bacon on the menu either.

From the Flattened Fauna link:

Dispeakable in every aspect.

Duh-huh?

Are you thinking of Carson's? I never watched MASH so I don't know which one they mentioned...

#224 cba

I'll do that, soon. I plan to visit soon with my dad to find a place, even if it's just an apartment. I have also written Judith and will write her again for real estate pointers.

Alas, I need to focus more on my dissertation and less on Winnipeg (and probably spend less time at LGF --not gonna happen!).

John Gibbon-the one in MASH was Adam's Ribs; I've never had 'em!

EAT RIGHT(or is it left)
In order to be a true commune loving hippie you need to be a Vegan. Remember that even though man has eaten animals for 30,000 years and our teeth are made to eat meat that animals should not be eaten because the animals don’t appreciate it.

#262 evariste

Calcutta: population ~12 million, and I don't recall a single McDonald's!

Iquitos: no chains at all, but smack downtown is a contrived sock-hop type burger joint that is a gringo trap par excellence. It is not bad (good for a USA "sanity check" if you know what I mean), but overpriced.

Also in Calcutta, the internet cafe ran the equivalent of $0.30 per hour; the connection was slow (but fine for just e-mailing home) but I would have paid just for the air conditioning there!

#266 Evariste,

Yep, I believe it was Carson's. Hawkeye had them shipped all the way from Chicago to Korea.

I'm not a MASH fan either. In College everyone would glue themselves to the TV and watch the series over and over again and I wondered why?

I don't like 'Friends' either, so I guess that puts me a very strange TV veiwing audience.

I just found out about this rib joint near Oldtown called Twin Acres I'll have to try...

249 D.C. Law

Anyway, the truth is you can get anything you want in Israel (even shrimp).

I ate the best Dim Sum ever in TA. There is a sushi restaurant where my daughter lives and it is not only authentic but one of the best I have eaten in. To date I had the best ever most delicately delicious Foie Gras in my whole life at a small bistro in middle Israel. I love good places to eat (I am a bit of a foodie) and Israel has some of the best most innovative restaurants with talented new chefs. Anything you want to eat from the most sophisticated to the sublime is available.

And for cheese there is a moshav in the north that wins hands down with goat cheese to the likes of anything I have ever eaten.

As for pork, in the north of Israel there are massive amounts of wild boar. Many people hunt them (on the sly) and cook them on a spit same as a whole pig. From Yaffo to Haifa there are more and more non kosher butchers who cater to the other 'white meat.'

hmm. now I have made myself hungry. Guess I will go cook dinner.

#263 John Gibbon

Lived in Lincolnshire, IL (well, actually, still own the house and am a legal resident there but rarely spend my time in Illinois any more) so I have eaten at Michaels too.

Carsons is one of the noted rib places in the Chicago area.

Has anyone failed to see the most obvious solution for a believing Muslim: open your own halal restaurant! That's one of the great things about the free market: you recognize a need for a service or product in a given area and time, then you fill it and make a profit. The bonus is that the Muslims would be re-investing in their own community, rather than patronizing a largely faceless multinational entity.

But easier just to whine and wait for someone ese to vhange than actually to do something yourslef about it. . . .

John-I can't stand "Friends"! Never liked it, everyone is too smarmy. Actually, I don't like any show with a laugh track. And I googled it, it was Adam's Ribs in MASH. Gotta try that soon. As for Twin Acres, it's one of the oldest rib joints in Chicago, still family owned, only one location, eight tables. I'm so there!

Rayra-great post.

#264 nancy
i seem to recall that some mcdonald's in hawai'i have poi... seems that whatever is the local starch is always more palatable than a foreign starch. french fries were not too popular, but imu pig dipped in poi! mmm!

#274 Rayra

[affecting Dominican accent] "G-d Bless Anerica; it's a beautiful country!" --Sammy Sosa, upon getting a slap in the wrist for a corked bat

#267 logger phd:

I need to... spend less time at LGF --not gonna happen!

Tell me about it!

Just be sure to tell me when you send me an email and that I respond. (I'm trying to cut back, so I miss a lot of threads or leave them early.)

#276 logger phd

My thoughs exactly.

#275 Nancy 3/2/2004 03:14PM PST

Well, well...my Dad is retired just down the road in Barrington...

I'm the same as you, legal resident from afar, voting 8th congressional district.