Ha'aretz Reports IDF planning how to respond when Arafart does. I hope they know something we don't!

just heard on rush
that FDR had ___campain ___buttons that said
" I remember Pearl Harbor".

end of story.

Where some of these people coached? They're saying the exact same thing.

substitute "dies" for "does".

Why do they need to protect the Mosque?

I don't know why Kerry is running negative. Dan "DNC Fundraiser" Rather and Al-Katie Couric will do all the dirty work for him, so he can appear to be above it all. Is he stupid, or what?

Here is a link to an editorial on FrontPage Magazine that provides some more details to the reqriting of history that the "mainstream" media-weinies are attempting - Do Orwell-ocrats Own 9-11?

It would be nice if there was even the slightest effort of being "fair and balanced" in their approach.

But then, is there really any difference between the US "mainstream" media and say - North Korea?

North Korea warms to Kerry presidency bid

North Korea's state-controlled media are well known for reverential reporting about Kim Jong-il, the country's dictatorial leader.

But the Dear Leader is not the only one getting deferential treatment from the communist state's propaganda machine: John Kerry, the presumptive Democratic candidate, is also getting good play in Pyongyang.

In the past few weeks, speeches by the Massachusetts senator have been broadcast on Radio Pyongyang and reported in glowing terms by the Korea Central News Agency (KCNA), the official mouthpiece of Mr Kim's communist regime.

Misuse of national tragedy for grubby partisan political ends.

Who wudda thunk that an upstanding moral citizen like Karl Rove would have stooped to such depths?

#4 Ed

Is he stupid, or what?

Well, yeah.

He's apparently clueless unless it involves Vietnam, appeasement, being AWOL from hundreds of votes, oh, and hiding from his record.

The attacks are mostly partisan in nature, but that doesn't mean they're wrong. Exploiting 9-11 is beneath the office of President. It should be beneath the President himself too.

The war in Viet Nam caused a lot of families the same ultimate heartbreak that the WTC attack did - will Kerry stop using that war in his ads in order to spare the feelings of those families? Will the mainstream media even ask this about this hypocracy?

And right on cue from Athos (#5) we get a link to raving right-wing lunacy from FrontPage.

Classic.

And as for the North Korea angle, the Saudi press has been fawning over GWB lately. Does that mean he's their candidate?

#6 gordon

Misuse of national tragedy for grubby partisan political ends.

I agree. Kerry should shut up about Vietnam.

Why do so many of the alphabet networks shill for the Democrats? It's all just politics and so blatant. I just hope Bush comes out fighting, hard and sure, and does the most damage to the dems early on. It won't be easy, but keeping the networks, and the dems on the defensive is the best way to campaign, I think. Most Americans remember 9-11 and don't want to forget.

Eewww! What's that smell?

The Democrats and their allies in the mainstream media are desparate to go back to 9-10. The ad must be a good one because of the howls of outrage. Many many people want to forget 9-11. The Repubs must counter the urge to forget with frequent reminders of Bush's leadership.
[Link: www.doctor-horsefeathers.com...]

Lileks has a good mini-screed on this topic at the Bleat:

Will Bush run ads that accuse the Democrats of fumbling the ball on al Qaeda in the Clinton years, and suggest that the last Democrat in the office seemed more concerned with slipping in some lap nooky before quitting time than killing bin Laden? No. Will Bush run ads that contrast John Kerry’s sonorous litany about “the worst foreign policy” with pictures of women in Kabul throwing off the burqa or men in Iraq toppling a statue? I can only hope; it would be right on the money. We fought back – but they were not wars of retribution. We salted no fields. We entered their lands – but they were not wars of conquest and sublimation; we demanded no tribute. We could have nuked the place flat. History will note that when we left, we left them with a constitution, a hundred thousand roofs festooned with satellite dishes, a souk where people could speak their mind again and buy newspapers that criticized the nation that had made this freedom possible.

Another suggested ad: “Some say that we shouldn’t haven’t invaded Iraq. Even after the discovery of mass graves. Even after the realization that the UN’s Food-for-Oil program diverted billions to Saddam’s pockets. Even after seeing how the terrorists have poured into Iraq to make a last desperate stand against freedom and democracy in the Middle East. Some say we should have listened to our allies.” A stock shot of Marcel Marceau in full-mime makeup, pretending to be trapped in a box. “Some people are a little too worried about what the waiter will think the next time they take a trip to Paris.” Shot of a Kerry lookalike in a bistro, saying “No, really, I’m Canadian.”

Reality check. That’s a cruel mean harsh nasty ad.

It was an NPR headline this morning too. Surprising, no?

It is a measure of the madness we're facing today that it is somehow unseemly for the President who steered the ship of state in the wake of 9/11 to allude to that horrible event. I think people have literally taken leave of their senses.

OT: Another measure of the world's madness is that one of the most articulate spokesmen for the War on Terror and and against the Islamist threat is an aging Welsh actor. For example, I loved this line:

You introduce a Republican to another in Hollywood, it's like a meeting between two Christians in Caligula's Rome.

Wow, another Gordo whinge.

Clean up in aisle 10.

Scroll over country is a beautiful place.

What hypocrits! The nyfd personnel profitted greatly from 9/11. Remember the extreme overtime pay and extra benefits? Don't forget nypd, either!
Families of the victims profited ,also. What do you think they would've been paid had they been mugged or died in a car wreck?
These people DID NOT get sole rights to every mention of 9/11.
Bush is a good man being consumed by a bunch of demo-pirranas.
You can't actually beleive kerry would have done a better job. He doesn't seem to have the moral backbone!

How pathetic that not even the loss of a loved one can stir these people out of their LLL daze.

Exploiting 9-11 is beneath the office of President.

Mentioning it does not automatically equal exploiting it.

Charles,

It has gotten to the point where I am so distrustful of the media, I din't even believe that Rachel Corrie is "dead".

The "decorated" veteran John Kerry, who was "honorably" discharged from the Navy, tossed "his" medals away in a public protest.

This causes me to conclude that Kerry joined the Navy to begin with for no other reason than to get his political ticket punched.

Kerry now plans to divorce "Theresa Heinz", so that he can marry one of "Sam Walton's" grand-daughters.

That way, he can again reaffirm his "deep connection" with "The American Working Man".

Yesterday, Kerry claimed to be a "Negro" at heart. He thus adds to his "collection" of identities, which include "Bostin Brahmin", "Jew", "Regular Fella", and "Working Stiff".

Oh well, he at least has the "Stiff" part accurate. :-D

It's Gordon, HIDE!

It's Gordon, HIDE!

It's Gordon, HIDE GAZE!

There's nothing wrong with either Kerry or Bush talking about issues like Vietnam (where Kerry reminds everyone that he served) or 9/11, where Bush wants to remind folks that he decided once and for all to put an end to terrorists striking at the US without fear of sustained reprisal.

Both guys can use the issue without pandering or being accused of politicizing the issue. 9/11 is the defining issue of this generation, and Vietnam was the defining issue of the pre 9/11 crowd. How the government acts and responds to threats IS the key issue of this election.

To claim that only one side has the right to use 9/11 as a defining moment is nothing but hypocrisy, and designed to change the language of the debate in favor of language that Democrats think will resonate better with voters in November.

Bush should be able to show that 9/11 changed the way we think about terrorism and respond to it. Not only do Democrats not like the change, but they dislike that Bush has kept his word on fighting terrorism. They can't strike at him for lying or failing to protect the country from terrorism. So, they're left with lying and invective meant to divide the country (or at least the middle 10% that decides elections.

Why are the Democrats so afraid of mentioning 9-11? Surely they can't believe that Bush has completely sewed up the War on Terror.

They should be trying to out-Bush Bush instead of pretending that 9-11 is an "unfortunate event" that we should be too polite to remember.

#3 Me

sub where for were

#4 Ed Moran

Why do they need to protect the Mosque?

Good question.

It's Friday, and Friday is OT day, so I thought I'd share this "life imitates Blade Runner" moment:

I passed a sign on the sidewalk in front of a store today that read:

CAPITOL EYES
BUY ONE, GET ONE FREE!
Details inside

(It was, of course, an optometry shop, but still.)

The simple story over the L³ anger over the Bush campaign using 9/11 as a legitmate part of his record is the fact that all major polls show that the country favors Bush over any Democrat by a 2-1 margin when it comes down to National Security and the War on Terror.

The Democrats not only have to discredit the WoT as being a "real" war - but they need to take this issue from Bush and try to focus on their issues - Health Care, Education, etc.

#20 Assmunch liav-
Profit from their own death? Injury? The only Profit an NYFD or NYPD member gets is to LIVE to their retirement. OT is not a benefit- it's a burden. These guys were getting killed at work BEFORE the ROP stepping into the picture. Mon pere retired from the NYFD in the '80's. He was in a station on Water St.- Guess who was in the WTC running up the stairs in turnout gear before they even finished building the place? Maybe YOUR overtime is spent on your ass in front of a Dell, not running into a burning building or stopping a domestic dispute.We, their families, dreaded phone calls when Dad was at work- the BEST news was he got mandated another tour. NYC civil service is NOT what you see on the boob tube, boob.

I predicted this last month.

When the Bush campaign uses images of Bush in leadership situations after 9/11, the media will decry Bush's campaign effort to exploit 9/11 and the victims for political purposes. They will engineer polling and report targeted testimonials from the "man on the street".

The mainstream media is actively attempting to engineer a Kerry victory by manipulating the information received by swing voters. It is barely disguised propaganda.

I think people are overreacting to the Bush commercial, but the comparison with Kerry's use of Vietnam is lame. Kerry was actually in Vietnam and draws on his personal experience. Bush was sitting with first graders when the towers crashed.

OT

Yet another article claiming that global warming should be our #1 priority....and that Britain could be "Siberian" by 2020.

Now the Pentagon tells Bush: climate change will destroy us

A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer, warns that major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is plunged into a 'Siberian' climate by 2020. Nuclear conflict, mega-droughts, famine and widespread rioting will erupt across the world.

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
/eye rolling off

Gee, how convenient that a "secret report" once again managed to find its way into the hands of a media service.

As I posted on the previous thread.......

People complaining about his ad will have the same effect as those who tried to stop Mel Gibson's movie.

Now everyone is going to want to see what the big deal is about. And the original supporters are more fired up then before.

The Democrats are falling into GWB trap. All the controversies over the commercials only remind, amplify, and focus the media's / voters' attention on 9/11 tragedy. This is bad for the Democrats in the end.

#33 James.

I understand your point, but would clarify...

Bush has been the commander in chief of a war that started (for the most part) on 9/11. Lincoln wasn't at Fort Sumpter and Roosevelt wasn't at Pearl Harbor, but they can be tied into those events. Actually more so then Kerrys four months in Vietnam.

NewsMax is reporting that NYFD Mike Moran, who asked Osama Bin Laden to "kiss my royal Irish ass" in the televised rally after 9/11 spoke on the Rush Limbaugh program this morning on the issue of Bush's ads - Hero 9/11 Firefighter Defends Bush Ads

"I think they're inspirational," Moran told No. 1 radio host Rush Limbaugh. "They remind me of how lost I felt on 9/11," explained the hero smoke-eater, whose brother John, also a fireman, perished when he rushed into World Trade Center Tower Two to rescue stranded New Yorkers that day.

"Seeing on the news when George Bush went down to the Trade Center to put his arm around that fireman - the words he spoke - they were inspirational," Moran told Limbaugh. "They made me feel like, wow, this isn't just going to be another terrorist attack where we sit back on our a---- and do nothing."

Moran criticized family members of other 9/11 victims who have complained about the ads, saying, "It's nothing less than slimy." He said too many Americans seem to want to forget some of the images from that day that appear in the Bush ads.

The famed fireman also weighed in on rebuilding efforts now ongoing at Ground Zero, saying he'd like to see the Towers reconstructed just as they were before, with one modification. "I think we should build them bigger, the same way ... [but] name one tower Mecca and one Medina, and [announce] that as long as those towers are standing those cities will stand," he told Limbaugh.

I think this is a better representation of the people directly impacted by 9/11 than those who L³ inflicted with BDS who do a disservice to those who perished that day.

I apologise to Charles and the regular denizens. I think I fed a troll. A am very grateful that Lileks pointed me to LGF, I'm grateful to the regulars here, and I will now go back to lurking & working.

Kerry was actually in Vietnam and draws on his personal experience. Bush was sitting with first graders when the towers crashed.

This is a "lame" non-sequitur James.

That's IT! My television is off. I am cancelling my subscription to the Louisville Courier Journal. I am getting too old to be bothered by loons. I've been getting most of my news from the net for a long time now. So I'm going to get ALL of my news from the net from now on.
Just think how nice this is going to be for my blood pressure.

(#38) Athos

Wanna bet which networks will pick up that story?

James , Gordon.
Gordon, ,James.
Talk amongst yourselves please.

"I think we should build them bigger, the same way ... [but] name one tower Mecca and one Medina, and [announce] that as long as those towers are standing those cities will stand," he told Limbaugh.

I love it!! HA!

Happy Friday, all!

#39 Blankchaz - no worries, everyone falls into the trap of feeding trolls - particularly when a double barreled blast of common sense is needed. An in your case, well delivered.

Welcome.

Also, OT, but germane to fighting terror,

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

two more suspects convicted of terrorism charges. Of course the MAS claims that Muslims can't get justice in the US and it's a witch hunt. Too bad there are far too many uncomfortable facts for the MAS to dispute:

1) the hijackers were all Muslim
2) Muslims took credit for the 9/11 attacks, and other assorted terror attacks before 9/11.
3) Muslims continue to be integral to terror against the US
4) Muslims are the focus of terror investigations precisely because of their role in prior attacks.

"I think we should build them bigger, the same way ... [but] name one tower Mecca and one Medina, and [announce] that as long as those towers are standing those cities will stand," he told Limbaugh.

LMAO

After these folks bash Bush for citing the defining moment of his presidency( how dare he )doesn't Mccain/Fiengold require Kerry to say " I'm John Kerry and I approved of this message and by the way I served in Vietnam." ?

#45-Athos- Thank you for noticing. What a way to introduce myself, Huh?

the Bush ad story has been played for about 12 hours, right now it's already old news, and of course nobody censored the RNC and White House's denials.
hence, no biggie. unless of course one is convinced that all the (mega-corporation-owned) US media except FoxNews and rev Moon's The Washington Times is part of a vast left-wing conspiracy
today's real -- and much more interesting -- story is

Signing of Iraqi Charter Is Delayedwww.voanews.com...]>

[Link: www.voanews.com...]

Occasional Reader (#29),

I passed a sign on the sidewalk in front of a store today that read:

CAPITOL EYES
BUY ONE, GET ONE FREE!
Details inside

Was it dark and rainy? And was the sign in faltering neon?

James,

Damn right Kerry was in Vietnam. Killing way too many civilians according to his commanding officers.

And imagine that will you: Vietnam era commanding officers worried about civilian deaths.

But Kerry did good. He helped end the war. The end of that war lead to massacres of Vietnamese, the boat people exodus with many dying on the high seas, and the killing fields of Camodia.

To save 5,000 American lives a year he was willing to give up 1 to 2 million Cambodians not to mention 100,000 to 300,000 Vietnamese.

And he has never apologized to them for signing (along with others) their death warrant.

The guy is all heart. Right. Well any way we can be sure he doesn't have the stomach to see the right or the brains.

BTW his not reporting the atrocities he saw to competent authorities is a military offence and let the guilty go free.

Let us hope for Kerry's sake the Vietnam stuff gets buried. If it doesn't it will bury Kerry.

Most unfortunate.

The ads bug the same people who have told us since 9/11 that we shouldn't show the images, because we have to heal. Which means, let's not remind the country how grateful we were for W in the days after the attack. I wish I had a nickel for every Democrat who told me then how happy they were that Gore had lost.

Brit Hume pointed out last night that the head of the fireman's group who has been so vocal against the ads is a strong Kerry supporter, the group has endorsed Kerry, and he has made numerous appearances with Kerry. So much for an objective pov.

#51 Geepers:

I got that one. Just wanted to let you know you weren't alone.

"The things I've seen with your eyes."

#34 Targetpractice, Much Abu About Nothing

Tim Blairs fisking of that article is here.

#30 Athos: Too bad Bush throws away his advantage on national security issues by giving away the federal treasury (and your and my future social security benefits) to the rich in the form of tax cuts.

If I were Bush I'd be emphasizing National Security too. It's the only part of his record which isn't a dismal failure.

Likewise the Democrats know all they have to do is knock the Shrub down a few pegs on the national security issue and the election is theirs.

There's that awful smell again - what the hell crawled up in here and died?

#52 M. Simon:

So Kerry committed treason my committing atrocities in Vietnam.

Then Kerry committed treason again by throwing his medals over the White House fence and hanging out with Hanoi Jane (oops, that was a photoshopped picture, but whatever...).

To complement the LLL, we know have the RRR.

Raging Radical Right.

#57 Andrew: Sorry to burst your seething bubble, but I'm the breath of fresh air. The stink is the festering seething frothing stale air of RRR (right-wing rottenness) which permeates many threads here before I show up with a flashlight.

Just heard on the radio that the ads have been pulled.

Must. Resist. Urge.

Oh, and Gordon, in recognition of your service to our light-deprived site, we've pooled our money to buy you this t-shirt. Wear it with pride, mate.

There is a clean up needed in the Truth Superstore - aisle 56.

Time to put a GAZE on the floor so the mess doesn't happen again.

59 Gordon

bwaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahah

*spit*

#55 ralph

Thanks. I had a feeling that the article was bogus...after all, when it says Guardian at the top, my BS detector spikes. But, it has made me more interested in seeing The Day After Tomorrow when it comes out.

#33 James 3/5/2004

The Kerry ads I've seen showed stuff like soldiers walking thru the jungle and a couple of men carrying a wounded GI, IIRC. Kerry spent his four months on a boat in the river. He never had to slog thru the jungle.

#66 Catbert

He never had to slog thru the jungle.

But there was that time after the boat's .50 hit a guy that he charged off to finish off the remains and collect a B-40 rocket launcher and his Silver Star........

Speaking of which - where is the outcry to see JF Kerry's full service records - including his medical records about the Purple Hearts and the paper trail of the medal recommendations / approvals?

Well well, looky here:

The chief group of Offended 9-11 relatives,

News flashes from the Much Ado About Nothing Department: we are at war, and Bush's ads simply acknowledge that reality as part of his perfectly legitimate claim to be the best man to lead America out of this crisis.

The terrorist scumbags of the world want Kerry to win.
So does the liberal media.

To the liberal media and the LLL in general, unseating Bush is FAR FAR more important than winning the war.

The amazing thing is they don't even seem to think we are at war.

#68 Shiplord Kirel

Forward that to Drudge.

The stink is the festering seething frothing stale air of RRR (right-wing rottenness) which permeates many threads here before I show up with a flashlight.

Have pity.

#61 RIP
I'm with ya man, be strong.

Shit, I don't go anywhere near DU but GAG(Who voted for Bush) has to come here! GO HOME GAG! DU MISSES YOU!

The scandal here isn't that Teresa Heinz-Kerry would "exploit" 9-11 victims on behalf of her husband's campaign, it is that the media systematically and knowingly conceal this association and present this campaign propaganda as "news."

#34 targetpractice; thanks for the link. I think the title of this one could be, "That 70s Show".

Already, according to Randall and Schwartz, the planet is carrying a higher population than it can sustain. By 2020 'catastrophic' shortages of water and energy supply will become increasingly harder to overcome, plunging the planet into war.

Too bad Julian Simon isn't around any more to make one of his trademarks bets. Maybe Bjorn Lomberg could fill in for him.

#51 Geepers:

Was it dark and rainy? And was the sign in faltering neon?

Nope. I tried to get details from the guy in the store, but he only spoke Cityspeak.

#68 Shiplord.

Just tried that link, whatever it said is now dead...one wonder why?...hmmm.

Gordon.

Yep you are a breath of fresh air, for until you arrived no one here had halitosis. Try some Scope, lefty.

God bless Mike Moran, and his wonderful 'Royal Irish Ass bluntness'

#74 Shiplord Kirel

I tried forwarding it to Drudge, but, I'm unsure if it went through. DSL line crashed.

#72 Jimmy2

Hangin' in there.

#17, scaramouche, Thank you for the reference to John Rhys-Davies. I admire his courage.

#38, Athos, Thanks for the reference(s). I missed that call but will bet it turns up at Rush's site later. I much prefer this positive view about rebuilding to that of creating some kind of eternal, sacred grave site. Does making an exhibition of it and nothing more actually heal a wound? Doesn't that suit the terrorists more than us?

It doesn't hurt to remember also that the World Trade Center, as the name suggested, represented free trade, capitalism, and the west. Statist non-Jeffersonian pseudo liberals don't like that, either.

#74, Shiplord Kirel, Just so.

A major Kerry tactic is apparently going to be to somehow stop the other side from talking about things that reflect badly on Kerry. I don't think Americans are going to buy into this. But I maybe the President's team will be too conservative. Once again, it will be up to Bush to take the battle to the enemy. I hope he does. His instincts are very good when it comes to confronting evil.

#76 El Cid. I couldn't post a clickable link for some reason, an extra character keeps appearing in the url string even though I am not typing it. It seems to work with the plain url:

[Link: www.peacefultomorrows.org...]

Gordo! I didn't realize when they said you were the last man to go into space alone that you didn't come back!

I'm one of those tax-dodging plutocrats who's making a killing on $50,000 a year with a stay-at-home wife, two little kids and a mortgage. Just did my taxes this week, and after the $400 per-child bump we got in August, I'm paying a grand total of, well, I don't want to give the figure in case Kerry wins and he sends his goons out to grandfather my ass to death, but it was amazingly low, thanks, EXCLUSIVELY, to the initiative of President Bush. But, as you so adroitly mentioned, in one of the more original progressive thoughts expressed in my lifetime, that I am one of those rich people suckling on the teat of your Treasury.

Two good ones:

1) Try to go to this link:

Bush Supporters Defend His New Ads

and you actually get an article called "White House-CIA Leak Records Sought". Nice.

2) Go to this version for the real story, and you read that some relatives of 9/11 vicitims support the use of the images, as opposed to many of the relatives (in the oposing articles) who are "disgusted".

You know, I wonder what the media reaction would be if a private individual with no formal ties to either political party ran a TV spot financed solely with their own money out of their own pocket. The spot would not have any sound at all, no music, no voiceover, it would show nothing other than the two buring towers in the last moments before they fell, before fading to black, with the word "REMEMBER" in white?

What would they say?!?

ps #59 Wouldn't that be rWr?!? Or at least, RR?!? Sheesh!

daltec
leap, and the net will appear

Reckless Unlateralist Cowboy Diplomacy Watch (cont'd):

Libya declares mustard gas stockpiles

That televised Saddam headlice inspection really got your attention, didn't it, Moammar?

#60 Scaramouche said ads have been pulled. Any confirmation? I hope the Bush campaign doesn't cave.

#58 Gordon,

Commiting atrocities in Vietnam was not treason. It was murder.

Clear thinking will improve the effectiveness of your argument.

BTW I note that you accept my points as fact - no counter argument - so all that is left is interpretation.

You call it treason I call it murder. Either way it does not paint Kerry in a very good light.

Funny thing is I hate Bush's domestic policies and would like to trust Kerry on the war. I just hate the Bush progroms on gays, drug useers, etc.

Your treatment of potential supporters is nothing short of amazing. Based on your all to evident talent I predict a landslide in November. For Bush.

My condolences.

Did I mention that I'm a Vietnam Vet and like Kerry after my service I opposed the war?

The difference between me and Kerry is that I am very sorry that because of my actions several millions died at the hands of the Communists we were fighting.

Despite that little point of honor I'd still support Kerry if his policies were to take the fight to the enemy. I see no such evidence.

"Peaceful Tomorrows," the main complaining "9/11 families' group" is part of a leftist foundation funded to the tune of millions of dollars by the Heinz Endowments, chaired by Teresa Heinz Kerry.

What a coincidence.

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

#82 Shiplord Kirel

Bingo got it, thanks.

As a New York suburbs resident, we still relive the horror of 9/11, and feel that no one has more right to use it in an election ad. President Bush was the glue that held us together, and the visits he and Mrs. Bush made to NY after the massacre of innocents by the cultists of islam showed the decency and humanity of our President, and the luck we have in having a real First Lady, after 8 years of Bubba's political partner. The Billaries had information beforehand, but Bubba never lifted a finger.

That the unions are behind this latest assault is a given. They already support Kerry, and are afraid of a President who is not beholden to them. President Bush will not tolerate terorism, nor back down to threats. Kerry? He is despicable.

This is from our local CBS; this morning the card had been issued. This commercial use of the tragedy of 9/11 is unconscionable. Now it seems that the bank has backed down, but notice their kvetch about the loss of money to them.

[Link: wcbs880.com...]

#31

Don't let your viewpoint be skewed. When you accept a job that has inherent dangers involved, don't expect extra pay when it happens! And don't try to tell me that every minute on duty was spent toiling.
Yea, papa was a fire man hero. Big deal. This country is FILLED with heros of every occupation. When one of them die, the world doesn't bend over and fill thier bank accounts!
I'm just saying that NO ONE has private rights to the events of 9/11.

On September 11th, 2001, 2900 of our countrymen perished in a vicious attack on our nation. In response we have liberated 29 million humans from tyranny. That's ten thousand men, women and children freed in honor of each lost American. This is my policy and I'm sticking to it.

Allah suggests this as an ad for Bush.

#90

Well I'm sure such an important disclosure will lead the network news tonight!!

/end sarcasm

#94

Awesome words!!

Wouldn't that send the el cubos into **total** apoplexy????

#92 NY Nana

You make me want o barf. I was at home sick as a dog with the flu, and when the first tower fell I called my Mom and we cried like babies over a thin wire over what was happening.

Your claim of jurisdictional righteousness because you are suburban NYC is a fuckng joke.

Who are you to claim our struggle as a municipal disaster, you fucking twit? I'm just as American as you are. Do you honestly believe that this was an attack on the Big Apple?

In the meantime my own boss lost a good friend from tower 2, and our President uses the most grievous attack on America since Pearl Harbor in a campaign ad.

Wow, incense candles and meditation. YOU make me ill, you goddamn hater bitch!

I have to leave now. I haven't slept in almost 36 hours, and it is obviously affecting my mind.

I'm sorry to any and all that I have offended, but a brain-addled American who says stupid things is common in this world.

Peace be to those whose reward is just. I'll just slip away now...

My sincerest apologies nana, my emotions overtook my competence to reply on this forum right now.

Time to sleep, so that I can get up at midnight, and back to work.

The 9/11 part is less than a frigging second. These critics are nuts...

The bias machine was cranking hard today. This one's well documented so let me give you all an exhibit B:

EXHIBIT B, what steamed me enough to write, was this gem taken by the Miami Herald via WaPo: to do it justice you need the headline, the blurb, and the first paragraph.

3 U.S. citizens convicted of plot to aid terrorism

Fine so far. Now see what fact the author chooses among what was doubtlessly a thick transcript of evidence and testimony to bring to our attention in the blurb:

Three men allegedly part of the 'Virginia jihad network' who trained with paintball battles are convicted of a terror-related plot. BY MARY BETH SHERIDAN

Washington Post Service

Imagined response of Joe Public
Geez Louise, what have our Islamaphobe paranoid police state loving administration gone and done now! Why, somebody asked ME to play paintball this very weekend! Is AshKKKroft and the Bushitler Gestapo coming for me too now?

The sarcasm just drips off the page in Ms. Sheridan's first paragraph.

A federal judge convicted three members of an alleged ''Virginia jihad network'' Thursday, a major victory for prosecutors who had portrayed the men as Islamic militants preparing for foreign jihad, or holy war, by playing paintball and firing weapons in the Virginia countryside

Sneer quotes, "paintball" . Whoops what was that about "firing weapons"? you sorta buried that in there did you? If you go on and read it, she has adopted the understandably and legitimately "biased" argument of the defense lawyer in the case in her presentation of the facts in a frickin' news story.

That's bias folks, screaming right off the page at you.

Mary Beth Sheridan, I bet you sound really smooth over latte with your pals in Georgetown talking about cowboys and unilateralism and Shrub and the Ayatollah Ashcroft and the selected President and Halliburton and quagmires.

Being clever and cute and liberal isn't going serve you one goddamn bit when the Islamofascists come to throw a burka over you. On second thought, they'd just kill you. A woman, criticizing a president? Never happen in Islamotopia.

You are enjoying that latte courtesy of a rougher cut of man and woman, whose values to you are punch-lines, who stand on walls, ready to violence. They are dying for your comfortable right to sneer at what they stand for. /Jack Nicholson speech all rolled up with Orwell quote

Friday night, back on that intellectual warfare wall cheers to the Lizardoid Mafia Clan from your bro in sunny Miami!

I'm ba-ack!!! 138 days nicotine free and ready to rock and roll. I've been poking around, lurking and short posting, but my blood pressure has stabilized enough to resume my position on the line.

REB

#98

Apology accepted.

Our only daughter, 2 of our sons, and 1 of our daughters in law worked in Manhattan. Our other son was driving in NJ, on the way to give a lecture.

Our daughter saw the first plane go in, as she was on the subway, going over the 59th St. bridge. What she saw was so impossible for her mind to assimilate that she did not realize what had happened til she walked into her office, and saw her staff watching TV, in various stages of shock.

Our son had to keep on driving, with his car radio on, letting him know what he saw was real. Our other son was uptown, and his wife, who was downtown, had to walk down over 30 flights of stairs, when the skyscrapers were evacuated. So did our other son, whose company then let the employees go.

We knew nothing about their whereabouts until our son who was uptown, called us. We could not get in touch with the others, as their cell phones were not working, due to the collapse of the mast with workers inside. I do not remember when we finally heard from all the kids. Just our daughter in law in NJ was able to keep in touch, and let us know our son was OK. Finally we got an email...I honestly can't remember from which kid.

I do not enjoy reliving 9/11, and chose not to write about what we experienced, and what it was like for our kids, 2 of whom had to walk to Queens on the 59th St. bridge to get to their apartments in Queens. Our son and daughter in law did not know if they would get back home to our then-infant granddaughter that night., bacause NYC was literally closed. Thank G-d, they did, but very late.

No one is untouched here; in our community and surrounding ones, there are children who are orphaned, as both parents worked in the Towers, and other kids left with only 1 parent, and kids who never knew their fathers, as they were murdered before these children were born. My cousin's neighbors across the street lost their only son, who was my cousin's son's best friend growing up, and who was in my cousin's 5th grade class.

Another cousin lost 3 friends.

Do you honestly think that anyone in the metro area was not affected by 9/11? It was President and Mrs. Bush who were here for us, and Mrs. Bush who made many trips here to schools, to read to, and talk to the terribly traumatized children.

Hate? As a Jew, who watches the news, and reads online all the time, I live in constant fear that the cultists of islam will strike again. They are everywhere, and what makes me want to puke is the oh so PC movement of flaming lefties who are clueless, and support the ' take an arab to lunch' gang. What kind of creature can sight and shoot to death a 10-month old baby girl, like Shalhevet Pass, OBM, for the crime of being Jewish, in the Jewish homeland? Our oldest grandaughter was 10 months old when that precious life was taken. Get a grip. President Bush is the best friend Israel has had in the White House in far too long. Jimbo Carter and the Billaries? Puhleeze. As anti-Semitism grows to proportions unseen since the 1930's, I recall those Jew haters all too well. What everyone has to understand is that we are all, in their sick eyes, infidels, and yes, it is not just NY or Israel they want to destroy. it is all the world, for we are not members of the cult of islam.

I cried and cried for so many days after 9/11; a lot of it is a blur. I have not been to lower Manhattan since, nor do I think I ever could go there.

I hope you got a good night's sleep!

#41 Ellen,

We were stationed in Germany for 4 years, with basically no TV--we had many TV stations in German, a few in French, and international CNN which was in English some of the time. We enjoyed the break from TV.

We now are back in the United States, and made a decision to continue to have no TV and no paper. We watch DVDs on our computer and get our news online or from the radio.

It IS much more peaceful! We also have more time to do what we want to do and read what we want (instead of filling our minds and time with liberalism and mindless drivel, not to mention sex, bad language, and violence--especially important now that our daughter is 2 and starting to like to watch movies.)

The reason Bush using 9/11 in political ads pisses the 9/11 families off is, he initially OPPOSED an investigation into the reasons for the tragedy, and he now wants to grant that commision only one hour of his time. The reason it pisses off the fire fighters is, Bush has drastically cut their resources after promising an increase and fire stations in NY have closed as a result.

You may think the commercials are peachy kean, that's cool. But it's really not hard to understand why these two groups are offended.

There is a good roundup of background on the people being quoted in these stories over here..

[Link: www.freespeech.com...]

Some support President Bush [Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]