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Fri, Mar 5, 2004 at 11:52:53 am PST

Debra J. Saunders got a chance to ask John Kerry what he meant when he said he only voted for the Iraq War because he was “misled” by George Bush: Kerry’s complicated exfoliation. (Hat tip: mal.)

When Kerry met with The Chronicle Editorial Board on Friday, I had the chance to ask the senator how he could have expected Bush to behave differently in light of what Bush had said.

Kerry’s answer reminds me of the angry customer in the Federal Express ad, who, clad only in a towel and a loofah mitt, calls a company to complain that FedEx delivered his package as scheduled, which he should not have expected, and by the way it inconveniently interrupted a “complicated exfoliation.”

Kerry’s answer was that Washington insiders believed that Bush didn’t mean what he said. “I think that you had a hard-line group (then Pentagon adviser) Richard Perle, (Deputy Defense Secretary) Paul Wolfowitz and probably (Vice President Dick) Cheney. But when Brent Scowcroft and Jim Baker (former advisers to the first President Bush) weighed in, very publicly in op-eds in the New York Times and the (Washington) Post, the chatter around Washington and (Secretary of State Colin) Powell in particular, who was very much of a different school of thought, was really that the president hadn’t made up his mind. He was looking for an out. That’s what a lot of people thought.”

What about what Bush said to the U.N.? That was “rhetorical,” Kerry answered. And “a whole bunch of very smart legitimate people” not running for president thought as he did. “So most people, actually on the inside, really felt that (Bush) himself was looking for the way out to sort of satisfy Cheney, satisfy Wolfowitz, but not get stuck.” Kerry continued, “The fact that he jumped and went the other way, I think, shocked them and shocked us.”

So Kerry was “misled” because he believed that Bush didn’t mean what Bush said.

Talk about your dirty tricks . . .

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1 Hhar  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 9:56:03am

Dang that Bush guy is tricky. He's gotta be Jewish. He sure pulled the wool over our eyes!

/duh

2 V the K  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 9:59:04am

It also says a lot about Kerry and the democrats generally... the way to confront terror is to make a lot of threats you intend to follow up only with... additional threats.

3 Truth Junkie  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 9:59:50am

Can You Say
Projection?


I knew you could.

4 Athos  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:00:45am

This guy can't even take a position on being "misled".

5 Lysander (Bar Dayan)  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:01:07am

#1 Hhar

Based on that criteria, he qualifies a lot faster than either John "Waffles" Kerry or Bill "I have Two Middle Names and Stain Interns" Clinton have to being "The First African-American President."

/slight sarcasm :)

/s/

Lysander

6 Necklace of shoes  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:01:16am

It all depends what the definition of mISlead is.

It's going to take a whole box and a lot of hammering to nail this guy down on anything

7 mbruce  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:01:44am

It explains alot about why his face looks the way it does.n'est pas?

8 andrew  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:02:10am

#3 Truth Junlie

I'm a truth addict and your post just gace me a head rush.

9 Solomon X  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:02:27am
Or you can believe that you shouldn't believe a politician who complains he was misled because another politician had the cheek to mean what he said.

A shot in the dark here, but I assume the San Fran Chronicle stands to the left of the political median. A big how how for objective journalism. Not every journalist is a Kerry propagandist.

10 dgd  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:02:39am

Worst part of the Kerry thing is that people who get their news only fron the mainstream press think he's an OK guy.

11 J.D.  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:02:45am

Could JVFK's 'explanation' be any more convoluted?

12 andrew  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:03:11am

Damn good head rush, too! I can't even spell afterwards.

13 Geepers  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:05:05am
So Kerry was “misled” because he believed that Bush didn’t mean what Bush said.

Gawd Amighty! ...

14 RIP Ford  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:05:38am

So, Kerry was misled by a bumbling idiot™? How does that reflect on his intelligence?

15 Truth Junkie  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:07:25am

#12 Andrew,

Cool, I am happy to have made a fellow addict's day.

16 Truth Junkie  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:09:05am

#14 RIP Ford

SIMPLY AWESOME!!!

You nailed it! They can't have it both ways.

17 Hhar  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:09:31am

I thought Gore was the first African American president?


(well, OK, he might not have claimed to be African American, but its at least as plausible as some of his other claims.)

(no, wait, Gore isn't president. Sorry)

(But Yes! He is ! Bu$Hitler wasn't really elected president: he didn't get the popular vote! So I was right! Gore IS the first Agfrican American president.)

(I'm confused)

(Can someone please quote Goering again, on how to lead a nation into war? Maybe something by Che? I've lost my bearings.)

18 Athos  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:11:54am

#16 Truth Junkie

They can't have it both ways.

The Democrats try do it all the time.

19 RIP Ford  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:13:59am

#16 Truth Junkie
#18 Athos

The Democrats try do it all the time.

Exactly.

20 sefton  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:14:46am

"I thought he was a lying , two faced weasel just like me. " said Kerry in astonishment.

21 andrew  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:15:36am

Bush to Kerry: "Oh, you thought I was you". heh

22 Solomon X  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:16:05am

Hedzup! VDH will be on CSPAN-2 Sunday

Link Here

23 RIP Ford  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:17:15am

#20 sefton

The message boiled down to:

"I thought he was a lying , two faced weasel just like me. " said Kerry in astonishment.

Is probably greatest endorsement for Bush's character that you will read before November.

24 Dave the Republican  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:20:40am

Republicans aren't perfect. Republicans aren't always above playing politics.

BUT. I've never heard a leading Republican say something like..."He misled us because we thought he was lying but he was actually telling the truth and did exactly what he said he was going to. That's why he has a creditability problem."

25 M Morris  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:21:19am

And they make fun about Bush talking complete crap.

Kerry's excuse has to be one of the silliest I think I have ever heard. I hope that statement gets distributed through the media properly; he needs to be drilled on that answer, by someone who wont give up.

maybe things are not looking so bad after all :-)

26 Frank IBC  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:22:59am

OT -

Martha Stewart Guilty On All Four Counts

Related: White Women Rioting in Scarsdale

Looters in Rolls-Royce smash into Bloomingdales

27 ralph  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:24:38am

OT wmd found
Libya Discloses Stockpiling Mustard Gas
Fri Mar 5,10:31 AM ET

By ARTHUR MAX, Associated Press Writer

THE HAGUE, Netherlands - Libya acknowledged stockpiling 44,000 pounds of mustard gas and disclosed the location of a production plant in a declaration submitted Friday to the world's chemical weapons watchdog.

[Link: story.news.yahoo.com...]

28 Frank IBC  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:25:41am

Didn't a statement just like this one cause Norman the Android in "I, Mudd" (Star Trek/TOS) to overload and crash?

29 NTropy  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:26:42am

Tarranto put it this way:

BUSH LIED!!! By telling the truth

How dare a Washington politician say what he means and mean what he says. And how dare a any politician, let alone a world leader, follow through on the things he said he'd do. Doesn't Bush realize that's not the way things are done there?

30 Frank IBC  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:26:57am

"Pardon me, but would you have any Grey Poupon Gas?"

"But of course."

31 sefton  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:28:14am

Kerry just gave us all a window into how his mind works and it aint pretty. This ridiculous explanation is supposed to... what exactly?Make him look good? How?
Make Bush look bad because he's honset and straightforward?
Does this effin' tool think for one second that anyone believes him?

32 RIP Ford  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:29:38am

#26 Frank IBC

Looters in Rolls-Royce smash into Bloomingdales

LOL

33 SCOPER  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:31:27am

OT..

Does anyone know any sites that have Rachel Corrie jokes??

preferably truely tasteless jokes

34 sefton  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:32:32am

#33
get lost.

35 hellcat  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:33:17am

And Kerry won't be misled by Arafat & Co. He learned his lesson with Bush. Nope, he won't be fooled again. Trust Me, I'm JFKerry.

36 sefton  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:33:51am

Or as we say here in Texas, Go on,git!

37 SCOPER  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:33:57am

BIG RACHEL FAN, HUH?

38 Truth Junkie  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:34:58am

Maybe Kerry has no grid whatsoever for a politician who only has ONE stand on a given issue and he was second-guessing which side Bush would come down on. To paraphrase Mark Twain

I don't trust a man who has only one way to vote on an issue
39 Montaigne's Cat  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:35:48am

Has this amazing story about the late Senator John Heinz and the waffling Senator John Kerry made the rounds here yet?

Thirteen years ago, Walter Carter, of Newton, Mass., wrote to his senator and asked him to support military action to expel Saddam Hussein's troops from Iraq. As a vote neared, Carter faxed his letter to the office of John Kerry and, just to be sure, sent it along by regular mail as well.

A few days later, Kerry wrote back to thank Carter for opposing military action against Iraq and told him he had voted "no" on the resolution to give then-President George H.W. Bush the go-ahead.

"I didn't know what to think," Carter recalls today.

A few days later, Carter got another letter from Kerry. The Senator thanked Carter for supporting Bush on Iraq.

"From the outset of the invasion, I have strongly and unequivocally supported President Bush's response to the crisis and the policy goals he has established with our military deployment in the Persian Gulf," Kerry wrote.

I remember it because it happened at the annual Lincoln Day Dinner of the Allegheny County Republican Party, March 20, 1991, at the William Penn Hotel.

At the time the first George Bush was still flush with victory in the Persian Gulf, and dinnergoers chortled over a videotaped presentation of assorted senate Democrats backpedaling in the wake of a war they'd opposed. Ted Kennedy was shown. News clips were shown. But for Kerry, the speaker simply read the two letters, to everyone's amazement.

"It's like those before-and-after pictures they print in the papers," the speaker said. "If they didn't tell you so themselves, you'd think they were different people."

Kerry has to remember that one. The speaker was Sen. John Heinz. Two weeks later, he would die in a plane crash. Four years after that, Kerry would marry his widow.

http://www.post-gazette.com/columnists/20040229rod dycol1.asp

40 sefton  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:36:18am

Nope, your just trollin' with smelly bait.
NOW, GO ON,GIT!

41 SoCalJustice  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:37:07am

OT

Another Palestinian Olympian.

Abu Bkheet is something of an oddity in the impoverished, conservative Gaza Strip. The sight of the tall, thin woman running through the streets of this ramshackle town in her green track suit used to cause a mini-uproar, and children at times would throw rocks at her as she zipped past.

"It's not easy to be a runner in Gaza, especially for a female," she said. "It's strange because of our traditions. It's hard to see a girl running in the streets."

That's so pathetic. "Our traditions" of woman hating and subjugation? And, like almost all other Palestinian women, she's an apologist.

42 Truth Junkie  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:38:46am

#33

How DARE you? We love Rachel around here; why, she won our highest award!

The nerve of some people! Sheesh.

43 Nancy  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:39:40am

Kerry is turning out to sound more and more like a real idiot.

Does he honestly believe that the "public" is not intelligent enough to notice? He is beginning to really offend me because he is so patronizing --to everyone.

Sounds like he is "projecting" Kerry doesn't really mean what he says by saying that Bush didn't really mean what Bush said.

44 joe sixpack[deleted]  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:39:54am
45 SCOPER  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:39:56am

#40...trust me...you got it alll wrong, sheeesh

46 zulubaby  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:40:37am

SoCalJustice (#41)

I had to break out the violin for that one.

47 hellcat  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:40:56am

#40

Looks like we got us some varmints 'round here.

48 CPatterson  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:41:22am

I was fooled because I thought Bush lied -- As I would have under the same circumstances.

I want to play poker with Kerry, the man can’t tell the difference between a “raise” and a “call”.

49 andrew  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:44:44am

#44 joe sixpack

Yeah, I hate male cheerleaders - they get to hold the female cheerleaders up by their tight little butts.

50 Federal  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:45:12am

Thank you for exposing Kerry's bald face lies. I'm a Vietnam veteran who considers Kerry a lying traitor which will take any position if it will serve his political purpose.

Again thank you for not giving Kerry the pass so many media people seem to be giving him.

51 RIP Ford  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:45:57am

#40 sefton

He is one of the regulars, and not trolling. Although, I don't care for what he is looking for, it was not trollish in nature.

52 Federal  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:47:45am

#50

was a email sent to dsaunders@sfchronicle.com

53 gymnast  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:49:25am

Kerry has been mis-led so many times that he has chosen to be a professional mis-leader. Is it true he has a guide dog so he dosn't accidently bump into the truth?

54 MnJoe  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:49:32am

So, what does this Palestinian woman runner wear to run in? Does it appear that the grim reaper is making his getaway from robbing a 7-11 when she runs by? And is there anything the kids DON'T throw rocks at?

I was wondering a little earlier why I hadn't seen any trolls in the threads I've visited in the last day or so, and then whammo.

I see that Steely Dan, AJA is in the now playing section. I understand some Tower of Power is on deck. I think I'll have to listen to Squib Cakes when I get off work.

55 scaramouche  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:49:40am
56 Truth Junkie  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:50:16am

#51

I apologize, then. It looked like someone trying to create some news about "World's greatest weblog making fun of American Martyr" or something.

BTW, I don't know of any sites. Her stated motivation was joke enough for me. I do, however think it's sad that she commited suicide using an Israeli Bulldozer. Even I know those things are dangerous!

57 Rayra[deleted]  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:51:21am
58 sharona  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:52:31am

For John Kerry, 'misled' can be translated as "whatever I need to do to get you to vote for me."

It's truly sad that some people's (read: both LLL's & your average democrats) emotions have been so manipulated by ambitious, ingratious losers (Gore, McAuliffe, the Clintons, Howard Dean & Weasely Clark) that they are unable to see how John Kerry inherently possesses all those qualities about which they rage at George Bush.

I don't know if it is collective hysteria & delusion, but it concerns me. It really does.

59 John H  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:52:45am

#44

Kerry may not have been a cheerleader in college (yell leader here in Texas), but he sure was an effective cheerleader for the North Vietnamese.

60 RIP Ford  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:54:14am

#59 John H

yell leader here in Texas)

Only, for a certain select group. '99

61 Jim in Virginia  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 10:57:10am

Rip- are you an Aggie?

62 PDM  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:01:52am

#33 SCOPER,

Does anyone know any sites that have Rachel Corrie jokes??

preferably truely tasteless jokes

Rachel Corrie was a saint. Why would you want to make tasteless jokes about her? I think that of humor falls dead flat. I don't think that is a very nice thing to do the the memory of a dead ISM tool activist. Are you listening to me? I don't agree with everything she stood for, but sometimes when people bring up the subject lightly, it makes me sick. Try to have a bit of respect for the girl who declared victory over Michael Moore.

63 Mike7411  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:03:34am

So, what you're saying is...

If he told you what he was gonna do you shouldn't believe him cause you don't do what you say you are gonna do, but you never say what you are gonna do so you shouldn't believe that what he says is what he is not gonna do because that's not what you'd do if you we're gonna do it... SO, what you're gonna do is not what you say you're gonna do when you say what you're gonna do...

Where the hell is the asprin...


Mike7411

64 joe sixpack[deleted]  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:03:51am
65 gymnast  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:04:49am

#41, So Cal Justice. The AP reporter who wrote the story is a POS provaocateur as Palistine does not have an Olympic team and if you Google to confirm the existance of a Palistinian team you will find that the only time the palistinians suited up for the games was Munich in 1972 and they went over the fence rather than buy tickets and you know the rest of that story. Every news source that repeats this "inspiring tale" of the Palistinian Olympic Runner is ignorant (Drudge) or willfully scamming. The AP reporter is a terrorist tool and dysinformation specialist. I cannot confirm or deny that he is related to John Kerry.

66 SoCalJustice  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:05:46am

Newswire Pics of the Palestinian Olympian, Sanaa Abu Bkheet:

[Link: search.news.yahoo.com...]

She looks to be of African, not Arab, descent.

67 esteban  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:06:11am

#62

stunned, but I loved it.

scoper must be happy now.

68 Ed Moran abu Fog, Drizzle, 16C in HOU  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:06:45am

Did RIP Ford admit to being an Aggie?


BTW, I used to watch on Fox Sports SW the big bonfire-yell practice before a&m's big game against The University of Texas, enjoying "Farmer Fight" and all the other grand traditions of the greatest military academy cum farming school in the south, and I just have to say the all male yell squad, dressed like a gay country and western dream in bib overalls with no shirts, squatting and doing weird gyrations, had to be about the queerest thing I had ever seen.

I'm not saying Aggies are gay. Former HUD Secretary Henry Cisneros was the student commander of the Corps of Cadets at a&m, and he had to pay hundreds of thousands to his mistress to keep her quiet, so we know he's straight, at least.

69 andrew  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:07:26am

#64 joe sixpack

So you and the rest of the Georgia Tech team that year was gay - why are you telling me this?

70 Dean Douthat  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:07:28am

Kerry being "misled" reminds me of this dialog from "Casablanca":

Claude Raines: "Why did you come to Casablanca?"

Humphry Bogart: "For my health; I came for the waters."

CR: "The waters? But we're in the middle of a desert!"

HB: "I was misinformed"

71 Ed Moran abu Fog, Drizzle, 16C in HOU  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:08:04am

BTW, if the 'Horns can ever beat OU in the Cotton Bowl, I will become absolutely insufferable. A four year losing streak is an ugly thing.

72 zulubaby  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:08:12am

PDM, I think you just exceeded SCOPER's wildest dreams!

73 SoCalJustice  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:08:26am

(#65) gymnast

The AP reporter who wrote the story is a POS provaocateur

That's a very apt description of Ibrahim Barzak.

74 Jim in Virginia  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:10:44am

Larry Sabato, U Va poli sci prof and local media star, said yesterday that 2004 would not be a close election. Despite the buzz about a 50-50 nation, the US has never had two close elections in a row; the last close one before 2000 was 1960 or 1968. Without picking a winner, Sabato predicts a 54- 46 spread.

The way JFK is going he will be lucky to get 46%.

Peggy Noonan had a nice piece in Opinion Journal yesterday:

The untold story of the Democratic race is that (the Democrats) had a remarkably shallow bench… You can imagine Mr. Kerry as president. You can imagine him struggling, like Mr. Clinton, to know what precisely he wanted the presidency for once he had it... The great unmentioned fact of Democrats in power and foreign policy right now is that they try hard to do nothing, because if they were to do something it would be what Republicans do. And they don't want to do that.
75 john clark  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:11:32am

Born and raised San Franciscan before retiring to Colorado five years ago Debra J. Saunders column and the Wednesday food/cooking pages were absolutely the only reasons to by that LLL rag. I tried shredding the remainder and using it as mulch for my tomatoes but there was still so much acid dripping from the pages it was too much even for tomatoes. Debra J. is a breath of fresh air on the pages of Pravda West.

76 scaramouche  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:11:56am

#70 Dean Douthat

It reminded me of the same quote, except that Rick was a good guy and Kerry is a dink.

77 Ed Moran abu Fog, Drizzle, 16C in HOU  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:12:56am

64


I sincerely hope 64 is a liar who went to school in Athens.

78 gymnast  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:15:18am

#73, So Cal Justice. Thats a typo, not a spelling error, Barzak's a POS journalist with an agenda

79 Geepers  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:15:30am

PDM (#62),

[Howard Cosell Voice]

Holly Mackerel he's come alive! Look at those combinations! He's going for the knock out!

He's Down! He's DOWN! - PDM is the Champion! PDM is the Champ!

80 Jim in Virginia  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:16:44am

Ed 68,71, all the money Cisneros paid her and the story still broke. Did Henry C. wind up doing time? There was a point in the 80's where a lot of people (himself included) figured he'd be a VP candidate along about 2000.

81 sharona  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:17:10am

Charles:

Please see joe sixpack's comments (#44 & #64). Is it just my or is that out-of-line?

Seems to me bannination is due.

82 Dean Douthat  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:17:18am

So long as I'm on a Casablanca roll:

Claude Raines: (Gets up from the roulette table and announces that Rick's is being close immediately. Humphry Bogart asks why) "I'm shocked, shocked to learn that there's gambling going on at Rick's."

JF'ingKerry: "I'm shocked, shocked to learn that a Congressional Joint Resolution authorizing the use of force would lead to the use of force."

83 SCOPER  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:18:18am

#62 PMD...Big thanks

#72 zulubaby...100% correct

84 RIP Ford  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:18:46am

#68 Ed Moran abu Fog, Drizzle, 16C in HOU

admit to being an Aggie?

You never knew that? Point taken about Yell leaders as opposed to hot female cheerleader, but what is the point when you can't see them on the sidelines anyway? I'll save this for another time and place.

85 RIP Ford  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:20:27am

#61 Jim in Virginia

Rip- are you an Aggie?

Hells yes. It's tough these days.

86 joe sixpack[deleted]  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:22:02am
87 Gary Bruce  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:22:06am

Only slightly OT:

(AP) - Israel will wait until after the U.S. presidential election in November to withdraw troops from the Gaza Strip, a security official said Friday,...

Is this the start of Israel leveraging the election here in the US to actually enhance its security? I hope so.

88 DB  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:23:33am

#64 joe sixpack,
That is the stupidest thing I've heard all week.

You wouldn't happen to be a Democrat would you?

89 Ed Moran abu Fog, Drizzle, 16C in HOU  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:24:13am

86

I smell a faux homophobe trolling in from DU country.

90 john clark  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:24:23am

My son-in-law is an Aggie. You can always tell an Aggie -- you just can't tell him much.

91 RIP Ford  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:24:37am

#88 DB

You wouldn't happen to be a Democrat would you?

I couldn't possibly imagine why you would ever think that? :P

92 Frank IBC  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:25:00am

Wasn't Dean on his high school's wrestling team?

93 RIP Ford  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:25:10am

Oh G-d, here comes the Aggie jokes.

94 Dean Douthat  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:26:32am

#64 Joe Sixpack:

If I understand you correctly, you are saying that being a rape victim is an automatic disqualification. OTOH, Kerry, who daily rapes truth, justice and the American way is an ideal leader.

95 andrew  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:26:33am

#86 joe sixpack

I'm not confused, joe. You, and your fatass lineman friends, are serial rapists - according to your words. Anything else you'd like to confess to on this public forum?

96 Truth Junkie  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:26:46am

Jumping right in with the Aggie Jokes:
(Went to high school in East Texas)

Why don't they let Aggies swim in the Gulf?

They leave a ring!

97 John Gibbon  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:28:16am

#93 RIP Ford,

You think being an Aggie is hard right now?! try being a University of Colorado Alum!!!

Yah, now back to voting, mach snell!

98 joe sixpack[deleted]  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:28:28am
99 Jim in Virginia  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:29:05am

GAZE, people, GAZE.
Rip Ford, what do you call an Aggie five years after graduation?

Boss!

I'm an alum of the 2003 College World Series champions. (The institution over by the zoo, as our cross town rivals called us.)

100 Jimmy2  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:30:31am

Charles, I agree completely with 81 (Sharona). Joe Sixpack's comments are patently disgusting. Especially when you add in #86. I agree with #88, and if you want to let Joe MORON (I mean Sixpack) hang around that's fine, but he is not exactly a paragon of reasoned discourse.

101 scaramouche  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:30:52am

OT: A heart warming story about a Palestinian chick with a dream. Thankfully, there are only two Palestinian athletes participating in the upcoming Olympics, so opportunities for these pufferies will necessarily be limited.

102 RIP Ford  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:31:24am

#97 John Gibbon

Man, do I understand your pain.

#99 Jim in Virginia

Thanks for the support and congrats on the championship.

103 DB  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:33:26am

#101 scaramouche,

Any idea what country they'll be representing in the Olympics?

105 David2  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:34:20am

Typical case of projection. This is the way John Kerry would govern. He is not a leader. He doesn't even understand the concept.

106 Beth  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:35:42am

re #71 Ed

Hmmm... so I guess now would be a bad time for me to start singing Boomer Sooner?

I gotta admit, it's kinda scary being a Sooner down here in Austin. Them 'Horns get a bit cranky just after Columbus Day.

107 Lysander  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:37:08am

26 Frank IBC 3/5/2004 12:22PM PST


OT -

Martha Stewart Guilty On All Four Counts

Related: White Women Rioting in Scarsdale

Looters in Rolls-Royce smash into Bloomingdales


"Can`t we all just get along?"

>:)


/s/

Lysander

108 RIP Ford  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:37:25am

#106 Beth

LOL

I use to live near the Cotton Bowl and, man, was it ugly.

109 Maui Girl  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:39:47am

Does all of this mean that when Bush says "Vote for Me", he really wants us to vote for, for, for --- I just can't bring myself to say it, sorry.

110 Charles  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:40:03am

"joe sixpack" was posting from Belgium. It is now banned.

111 RIP Ford  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:42:26am

#110 Charles

What?
Surely an enlightened and sophisticated European would never write such things.

112 Ed Moran abu Fog, Drizzle, 16C in HOU  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:43:04am

The Mob is cool...

113 Ed Moran abu Fog, Drizzle, 16C in HOU  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:45:38am

110 A European with an in depth knowledge of ACC football, however.

114 PDM  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:46:06am

SCOPER, zulubaby, Geepers,

Glad you liked it.

#110 Charles,

Thank you!

115 Truth Junkie  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:46:23am

Re: the title of the thread, Can we refer to Kerry's answer as HIS attempt at Misledefense?

wait for it...

116 evariste  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:47:54am

joe sixpack, what a charming fellow...I suspect another Mobying; why else would a Kerry voter come in here, and try to rile up homophobia against Bush?
And I don't know about Georgia society, but in my world, I don't care if you're a linebacker or what, accepting head from a male cheerleader makes you gay. That is a gay thing to do. There are no two bone(r)s about it.
Thanks for [deleted]ing him, Charles.

117 evariste  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:49:03am

*chucks shoe at #115 Truth Junkie*

118 Truth Junkie  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:51:56am

*Catches Shoe and puts it on his mantle as a badge of honor*

119 Frank IBC  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:52:25am

Something in his syntax suggested that he was not American (in spite of the nick) but I forget what.

120 Ed Moran abu Fog, Drizzle, 16C in HOU  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:53:26am

The dewpoint at LBB now is currently 39F (3C), so the storms are positively elevated and thus almost completely incapable of producing a tornado, but the cell in the northern edge of the county one up from Lubbock is rotating

You can even kind of see it in this reflectivity loop from the WSR-88D NexRad Doppler Radar

Let see if there is a severe t-storm warning for the High Plains:
No thunderstorm warning

But I wouldn't be surprised by hail reports from just north of Plainview next hour.

121 RIP Ford  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:53:27am

#117 evariste
#118 Truth Junkie

LMAO!!!

It's been a fun Friday.

122 Ed Moran abu Fog, Drizzle, 16C in HOU  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:55:44am

BTW, I'm sort of watching to see if 15 warmth this weekend is replaced by near 0C temps and cold rain/wet snow NYC/BOS for beginning of workweek.

123 evariste  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:56:46am

Truth Junkie, LOL! You might want to take care of the smell first, I've been running in that shoe.
Frank IBC-you know what struck me? His using "right is might" on the next thread. That's just wrong, he's got the order reversed...no way he's a native speaker.

124 Frank IBC  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:58:28am

OT, but a most unfortunate headline:

Rosie Weds Longtime Girlfriend, Slams Bush

125 Ed Moran abu Fog, Drizzle, 16C in HOU  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 11:59:06am

CNN story about yesterdays Texas/Oklahoma severe weather (which I predicted Saturday)

BTW, much of southwest Wichita county lost electricity, shutting down all of our wells there. About a $10,000 hit for the bosses.

126 John Gibbon  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 12:00:55pm

#123

Evariste, have you voted over at the 'German Left' thread?'

If not, get moving, you're burning daylight!!!

127 Frank IBC  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 12:01:07pm

#116 Evariste -

Does this mean the date is off?

{sniff}

128 Jim in Virginia  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 12:01:25pm

OT- Ed 112, RIP- I played cowbell in the MOB. We were in the Dome in 1975 (which the halftime show referred to as the world's smallest enclosed stadium) when Hofheinz sent his private cop to pull the script.

129 Ed Moran abu Fog, Drizzle, 16C in HOU  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 12:05:56pm
Debbie Deck saw a cow swept away Thursday afternoon in rural Young County, caught in what county officials called a tornado.
Russell Deck confirmed that his wife saw the bovine blowing away, but he said she couldn’t come to the telephone Thursday. She was cleaning up after the wind blasts that carried off the cow.
"A windstorm came along and blew away everything I own out here," Russell Deck said.
The couple’s home was still standing, but two barns were history, Deck said.

Wichita Falls Times Record News

Crystal Arredondo felt her house shake like a penny on the tracks, and she knew it wasn't going to wobble out of the train's way.

The 22-year-old woman - who had just finished a rainy afternoon lunch of pasta and salad - grabbed a pillow and ran into a closet in her parents' room where she huddled until the grumbling winds faded to fuzzy rain.

"I came out and everything was gone," she said, standing in front of her family's ruined home.

Link (New)

130 evariste  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 12:07:06pm

John Gibbon-I did, actually! Thanks. I voted "1", even though by my standards he's really a 2 or 3.
Frank IBC-LOL at the headline! I don't know, I used to go out with a newspaper girl and those are usually intentional.
Um, I was just pointing out how gay joe sixpack was, I have nothing against it but he apparently did :-)
I might have to put off our date though, I'm in love with a goat farmer! ;P

131 H-town  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 12:16:16pm

A quote from #41's post:

"... "It's strange because of our traditions. It's hard to see a girl running in the streets."

Bullshit. You see it every day. She's running from her brothers who are trying to impregnate her or she's trying to run like hell to avoid the "Honor killing".

132 RIP Ford  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 12:17:04pm

#124 Frank IBC
#128 Jim in Virginia

LOL

133 sefton  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 12:25:15pm

Topic?...we don't need no stinkun' topic.

Y'all are having too much fun.

134 El Cid  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 12:27:17pm

Don't know guys...Mr. Misled has a whole bunch of Misledfreaks, thinking he can walk on water (evian of course)..ahh, you'll get this one to easily...I just ain't subtle, enough.

135 Jim in Virginia  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 12:31:10pm

Ed Moran- some local weather wizards are threatening snow in DC next week. What is your word, oh great one?

136 Truth Junkie  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 12:31:51pm

#134 El Cid

NOPE! Can't be...


He doesn't have enough PASSION

*Ducks to avoid evariste's other shoe*

137 LEO  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 12:34:08pm

THANK GOODNESS, ANOTHER KERRY SUPPORTER SPEAKS OUT

North Korea warms to Kerry presidency bid
By Andrew Ward in Seoul and James Harding in Washington
Published: March 4 2004 20:24 | Last Updated: March 4 2004 20:24

North Korea's state-controlled media are well known for reverential reporting about Kim Jong-il, the country's dictatorial leader.

But the Dear Leader is not the only one getting deferential treatment from the communist state's propaganda machine: John Kerry, the presumptive Democratic candidate, is also getting good play in Pyongyang.

[Link: news.ft.com...]

138 Nancy  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 12:36:01pm

Ed Moran abu Fog, Drizzle,

There may indeed be a "front" moving down --I don't know for a fact if that is the condition or if it is just a regular "snowstorm."

There was about 2 feet of snow overnight and it has been snowing all day. And snow forecast for the next several days.

Hazardous Weather Outlook Winter Storm Warning [Link: www.crh.noaa.gov...]

139 Michael  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 12:41:45pm

So, like if he was misled by a guy the left considers to be stupid, is not he not then too stupid to be President.

140 RIP Ford  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 12:43:40pm

#139 Michael

Beat you to it. See my: #14 :P

141 Frank IBC  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 12:56:08pm

#139 Michael -

"I believe it because it is absurd."
-Tertullian

He doesn't have enough PASSION

#136 Truth Junkie -

Actually, I'm morbidly curious to see how Kerry's Botox-ed eyebrows would react to a flogging.

142 quark2  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 1:10:15pm

Oh lordy lordy. After reading that, just thinking of him in the Oval office is nothing less than a walking nightmare.
This man expects and demands that the President of the United States to be duplictious and lying out both sides of his mouth at the same time? He didn't expect Bush to mean what Bush said? What the hell is wrong with this guy?
He isn't even good enough to be called a weasel.
Sure enough he is outing himself for being deceptive, a liar and expect everyone to be of the same moral base as himself.

143 El Cid  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 1:27:52pm

#136 Truth Junkie

Believe me, I hope you are correct. (whether you get "evariste's other shoe*" tossed at ya or not)

144 Ned  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 1:48:56pm

Forgive Kerry, for he knows not what he says.

145 Brandi in AZ  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 1:52:08pm

Rayra (#57)

What pathetic tools (LLL/Dem/Intl Diplos). So use to LYING every time they open their mouths, or pass a hollow Resolution, that they get snookered by someone TELLING THE TRUTH. No wonder they are outraged - over the EMBARASSMENT of it all.

Well, this does begin to explain the extreme hatred of Bush that we've seen from some groups. As for Kerry, it seems that the more we hear, the more he seems like a walking, talking embodiment of every slimy politician joke we've ever heard.

146 quark2  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 2:05:20pm

Is there a drinking game this weekend? I'm opting for designated reader again if so. :) Geeze this place isn't the same with reaganite gone. *sigh

147 LarryConley  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 2:08:16pm

I knew the swimmer was a fake.. I hadn't heard anything definate either way about the runner. While I would take this story with a pinch of salt, a slice of lemon, and a shot of tequlia I suppose its possible.


131
Bullshit. You see it every day. She's running from her brothers who are trying to impregnate her or she's trying to run like hell to avoid the "Honor killing".

Interesting how much work that paticular statement gets. When I was younger they(rather Americans) told a very similar joke about certain segments of the America population.

Thankfully, there are only two Palestinian athletes participating in the upcoming Olympics, so opportunities for these pufferies will necessarily be limited.

Yep.. nothing like those staid, unemotional, and oh so dry factoids that athleats from other countries have told about them.

Come on.. the Palastinians do enough really bad crap on their own.. no need step on the few occasional signs of civilization.

148 piglet  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 2:39:51pm
Bullshit. You see it every day. She's running from her brothers who are trying to impregnate her or she's trying to run like hell to avoid the "Honor killing".

Interesting how much work that paticular statement gets. When I was younger they(rather Americans) told a very similar joke about certain segments of the America population.

As in :Question, what do you call a "insert group here" girl who runs faster than her brothers? Answer: A virgin!

149 Free Speech Is Only For Uber-Libs  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 2:43:33pm
So Kerry was “misled” because he believed that Bush didn’t mean what Bush said.

Most Democrats don't understand integrity, honesty, backbone.

Kerry is a fraud.

150 Abu Akmu (UT '81, sister of rabid OU grad)  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 2:51:40pm

Why doesn't Texas fall into the Ocean?

Cus Oklahoma sucks.

151 Free Speech Is Only For Uber-Libs  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 2:51:49pm

#142 Quark2

He isn't even good enough to be called a weasel.

So true. Kerry is an insult to weasels everywhere.

152 Rayra[deleted]  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 2:57:03pm
153 RIP Ford  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 3:05:14pm

Rayra

LOL

Parameters be damned

154 quark2  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 3:08:20pm

@151 Free Speech Is Only For Uber-Libs

Yeah, sorry about insulting weasels. Weasels are pretty well known for standing their ground on being unpleasant. :)

155 IowaInfidel  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 3:19:55pm

Ok, so, we're supposed to vote for a guy who's misled by someone who means what he says? How easily will he be misled if he's president?

Habeeb: Hey, Prez Kerry, you mind if me and my friends borrow a few passenger jets? We just go to mosques overseas. We are belong to the Religion of Peace, so nothing to worry about. Oh, and if we get too close to White House, it's because we want to see it from air. Don't scramble fighters, hokay?

Kerry: Why sure, fellas. No problem. Just leave the keys under the seat when you get back. Have fun, now.

*BOOM*

156 quark2  Fri, Mar 5, 2004 4:09:46pm

Yeah I am noticing in tellytubby land all the round table talking heads talk about ketchupkerry like he's normal and important.

157 M. Simon  Sat, Mar 6, 2004 4:22:09am


#30 Frank IBC 3/5/2004 12:26PM PST

"Pardon me, but would you have any Grey Poupon Gas?"

"But of course."

I never would trust any one who put grey poop on their food.

158 M. Simon  Sat, Mar 6, 2004 4:45:04am

Is there a drinking game this weekend? I'm opting for designated reader again if so. :) Geeze this place isn't the same with reaganite gone. *sigh

I miss ole Ranbutan.

Very intelligent analysis until he got to the Jooos.

Funny thing is he and I got along (I'm Jewish and Ran knew). Something about being ROs in the USN.

159 LesLein  Sat, Mar 6, 2004 7:58:58am

It looks like Kerry may be investigated for lying to get the country into war:

[Link: www.washtimes.com...]

160 Just a gigolo  Sat, Mar 6, 2004 8:07:04am

...During the interview, Mr Kerry became flustered and broke into a song:

Just a gigolo
Everywhere I go
People know the game I'm playin'
Paid for every dance
Selling each romance
That's what they're sayin'


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