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How is this an honor killing?

The barbarians are inside the gates
[Link: www.doctor-horsefeathers.com...]

This sounds like less of an "honor" killing and just more of a "crazy" killing.

But I suppose you can say that about any "honor" killing.

Sick bastard.

A Purim h.t. for me! Merci, Charles.

To me, the most appalling aspect of this story, apart from the brutal and heatless murder, is how this unsuspecting child came to be living with her father. Her father had abused her mother and accused her of carrying a child that did not belong to him. They separated before Farrah was born, but the village idiots, er, elders, determined some time later that the child should be removed from her mother and given to her father. This awful man remarried and moved to Canada with Farrah and his new wife. Her mother never saw her again, and came to Canada to give wrenching, heartbreaking testimony at this animal's trial. Unfortunately for the cause of justice, there is no death penalty in Canada, so this piece o' shite will not have to pay the ultimate price for this heinous crime.

Why do I really really really really want to be left alone in a room with this POS and a Louisville Slugger bat. Preferably aluminum so it won't crack.

Into the industrial shredder - feet first - slowly

Outrageously,

He berated a judge for giving a light sentence to "a fucking black woman. She kill two kid and the judge give her, the judge him two years less a day. What kind of justice is this?"

At least twice, he claimed discrimination: "If we are white people, so are listen, we are Asian people and judge not listen . . . We have a different colour, and this is all discrimination."

the animals are watching the lenient liberal punishments being handed out to other criminals and calculating their odds...who says there's no deterrent effect? Canadians, if you know what's good for you you'll get yourselves a death penalty asap.

Isn't it clear that this man felt dishonored by having a child he irrationally believed was not his own? How does this differ from the irrational motivation of any other honor killing?

Charles--I remember reading that he also felt dishonoured because this child refused to obey him. A recalcitrant child, he kept thundering to his police interogaters, is simply not acceptable in Islam.

Another Globe and Mail piece with further horrifying details.

It is such a bleak little drawing.

...

"My wife is not innocent," Mr. X said Mr. Khan told him, and so he produced the drawing, Mr. X said, to show where he and Ms. Fatima were sitting on the fateful night when Farah died in the family's tiny basement apartment.

The drawing consists in the main of three rectangles and a circle with a dotted line around it.

The rectangles are the family's two couches and the bed they kept in the living room, the circle is the coffee table between the couches, and the dotted line, Mr. X said Mr. Khan told him, is the path the little girl followed as he and his wife chased her until finally they caught her, beat her and together banged her head hard against the table such that she died.

...and further confirmation of Charles' reply to CheezNCrackers that it's an honor killing because he was convinced she was an illegitimate child:

Mr. Khan drew on the couches where each of them was when the fatal fight erupted, this, Mr. X said, on Dec. 6, 1999, when Mr. Khan returned from work to ask the little girl what she had done all day and was furious when she told him she had watched TV.

For himself, Mr. Khan wrote "Arsal."

For Ms. Fatima, he wrote the initials FW, for, Mr. X said, "Fatima Wife."

And for the five-year-old child, he said, Mr. Khan wrote "FB" and explained that the initials stood for "Farah Bastard"

...even more horror...

Now, Mr. Khan allegedly told Mr. X a whole host of other awful things -- that he and two other inmates should go to court and "lie under oath" on his behalf and he would even pay them for it; that he and Ms. Fatima had cornered Farah, he holding her by the hair and the arm, she by the legs, and that Ms. Fatima allegedly keenly participated in the dismemberment of the little girl and allegedly "was laughing loudly, like a devil," throughout.

vile

*spit*

Did this guy have these conversations before or after the five times per day he knelt towards Mecca and prayed...?

RoP, hell. More like RoA, because the more you know about its adherents, the better you understand their Asshat (capital "A" Asshat, to boot) nature.

A question: Does Islam by its nature draw to it the mentally weak, socially depraved and morally disadvantaged or are these qualities simply intrinsic to the religion itself and its followers simply become creatures of their faith? Reading from the info the 'slims put on their website is like reading some Bizarro text of Orwell's 1984, and just makes my head hurt.

D. Edgren

We shouldn’t be to harsh in our condemnation of this “man” after all this is a standard Muslim practice, I’m sure it was a case of him not being aware of the cultural difference in regards to infanticide.
Did anyone detect a hint of sarcasm?

Once in a while I am not content to wait for Allah to dispense justice in the afterworld. I suppose that there are others, perhaps a future cell-mate or two, who will feel the same way about this world-class POS. I also wonder what the Moslem Lobby would like to say in his defense?

This guy is a psychopath. He has no remorse at all for what he did, but he'll do anything to escape the consequences. If he had any clue about the immorality of his actions, he wouldn't have been blabbing to Mr. X about it. He obviously thinks he was perfectly justified in killing Farrah.

In Islam, children are considered to be the possessions of their parents, who can do as they like with them. The children are expected to do as they are told. Girls are expected to marry whom they're told and then do as their husbands, fathers-in-law, mothers-in-law, brothers-in-law, uncles, cousins, fathers and brothers say.

What I don't understand is why, if he thought the child wasn't his, he took her with him. Why not just leave her in Pakistan?

I'm sure that some reational people in Toronto are reconsidering Canada's ban on capital punishment.

At least I hope so ...

And just think what they do amongst themselves back home. What a repulsive, degenerate section of our population.

#16 Amy-

What I don't understand is why, if he thought the child wasn't his, he took her with him. Why not just leave her in Pakistan?

To punish the mother. Pakistani tribal justice.

What seems odd is he believed the child was not his own --but he apparently had custody of her not the biological mother since it refered to his former wife --also charged in her death as the stepmother.

So, how on earth would this horrible man end up with custody of a young child he did not believe was his? It said nothing of the child's mother.

Like something doesn't "fit" here.

So I wonder how those tribal elders idiots (as scaramouche pointed out) feel about snatching this girl from her birth mother. Nevermind, they'll still blame her real mother for not being a good enough wife to him.

He probably regrets moving to Canada.

#5 scaramouche

Apologies --I see you did provide some explanation about the biological mother and how she came to be living with the horrible father, having been taken away from the mother.

In one article he said his mother and tribal elders forced him to take the child. I hope he rots in jail. And his wife too.

This seems to sum up the inability to feel remorse.

Mohammed Khan:
"I am ruined, I have no one," he says. "I don't understand what trouble Allah has put me in. By God, I am not a criminal. Get me pardoned somehow. I don't understand what I'm getting punished for."
[Link: www.ctv.ca...]

evariste and zorkmidden -

Thanks for the explanations (punishing the mother and being forced to take the child); either one is credible.

I thank God for having made me a Jew.

Unfortunately I work at a DA's office and see the cases that fall under our CAC - Crimes Against Children unit way too often.

But this case is so sick I can hardly think of another case to equal it.

Since Canada has no DP, let's hope the perp is put into the general prison population and they take care of him.

#13 D. Edgren (The Merciless Infidel)

You're right. It shouldn't be called the Religion of Piece™. Religion of Asshats™ is far more accurate.

BTW, I was wondering if Judith or Elizabeth would tell us what the penalty is for first-degree murder in Canada.

If it happened in Florida, Texas or Virginia, dollars to doughnuts the asshat would get lethal injection, even with POS's Sister Helen Prejean and Susan Sarandon ululating on the asshat's behalf.

#26 Iron Fist

Will do. But you gotta let me have some fun with him . it.

There was another article that talked about how the step-monster was laughing during the killing. Anyone see that?

*Mental note: Never anger Iron Fist*

No douibt the guy is a psychopath, and I am sure there are those who say all cutlures have psychopaths. The problem with Islam, however, is that its founder was a psychopath, and its scriptures promote psychopathic behavior. My pocket dictionary defines a psychopath as "a person with a personality disorder, esp. one manifested in aggressively antisocial behavior." Substitute "violent" for "antisocial" and I think you've got it. In short, Islam is a religion for violent nuts.

#30 WriterMom

Yeah. evariste linked to it at #11.

#30 WriterMom

I believe this is the article you mean. BTW, did you see the piece by Kirk Makin in today's Globe about Holocaust-denier Ernst Zundel? (Or, as the Globe called him, "Canada's most famous Holocaust denier", like he was a celebrity and it was something to be proud of.) I bet you didn't know he was now a civil-rights activist. The article put a sickeningly positive slant on old Ernst, made him out to be something of a hero, in fact. Chilling to read this in our "newspaper of record". (I posted the link in the thread above, so won't repeat it here.)

Why are they prosecuting the poor man? This is part of his culture. Who are we to judge?

I am amazed liberals aren't rallying around his right to murder his daughter. This is something acceptable in Moslem culture. A man has the right to lord life and death over anyone.

The big question is: Why have we imported a violent culture like this into our midst? What is the long term effect of usch a culture on our society as a whole?

Nothing good can come from the intrusion of Islam into our Judeo/Christian heritage. The problem is here, and it ain't gonna get any better.

We were on the wrong side in the Serbias war.

You know, for a man who is so eager to get off that he wanted other immates to commit prejury for him, at least he could have avoided looking indifferent or disdainful when the recordings were played.

Then again, this requires him to possess the basic level of humanity that most people are endowed with.

C.T.

Ahhh...must read thread more carefully.

Regarding the punishment in Canada for filth such as Khan-I'm not very optimistic. If you have ever heard about psycho murderer Paul Bernardo and his equally nutball murderer wife (she helped him kill teenage girls, including HER OWN SISTER) you will know why. Karla Homolka (the wife) I think is doing university courses and will be out of prison soon.

The best place to put him is with violent offenders. Even the scum of the scum don't like child killers and many have been killed that way. Unfortunately-we don't have capital punishment here.

RWC-never did thank you for posting Rummy photos. Too busy being silly and looking for funny pictures.

#32
Right on. Of course this kind of violent, antisocial behavior happens here too, but it is treated as a psychotic aberration, not the acceptable behavior it is in Islamic culture.

Thus the most jarring part of Mr. Khan's obloquy repeatedly caught on tape was his obsessive revisiting of what appear to have been the events of the last night of Farah's life.

A typical excerpt: "Run, you sisterfucker child, fuck your sister, you useless child, offspring of a dog, bastard offspring child. I said to that useless child, where are you going to go?

"I said you can run, where are you going to run, so do whatever you want to do . . . child of a dog, bastard offspring, run, where are you going to run child?"

At another point, Mr. Khan is heard telling Mr. X: "Bastard offspring . . . nor would she listen my word, useless child. I will kill her, didn't listen to not my word, I killed the useless child.

Good Lord have mercy, death must have been a relief for this suffering child!

#34 scaramouche

I don't get the Globe but in the National Post there were two interesting articles. One was a list of war criminals that have "disappeared" in Canada. Many ROP names on that frikkin list. Maybe Charles would post the story if it's online now.

Also-an article about a Nazi war criminal from St. Catherines, ON. Everyone in his neighbourhood says he's a nice guy...goes to church, and loves gardening. What is it with all these f*cking Nazis and their gardens?

Sharia law automatically gives custody to the father. Canada is going to give them the right to use that sharia shit here.
I don't understand these people's desire for blood and flesh--they not only enjoy car swarms but chop their children up into pieces and laugh like a devil in the process. Sick bastards. No wonder they get such a 'charge' out of blowing out their guts.

#39 WriterMom-they're trying to figure out why the Brits beat them?

#37 WriterMom

Don't worry about it. But I think you did thank me, if not, then your welcome.

#39 WriterMom

What is it with all these f*cking Nazis and their gardens?

Occupational therapy for Jew-killers?

If Canadian convicts are like American convicts then they may likely inflict their own death penalty on this soulless fuck. Keep him out of protective custody!

28 big Digger

The punishment for 1st degree murder is 25 years to life.

I am surprised the Crown, but pleased, wnett with 1st degree murder. This is generally used for contract killers and the killers of police officers and prison guards. 1st degree implies a planned killing.

My guess is the Crown thought Shit Rat's lawyer would plea bargain down to 2nd degree but he didn't.

#41 evariste LOL

#43 scaramouche LOL

I swear...every article about these aging Nazis talks about how they love their gardens. Like as if because they can grow a tomato they can't be a mass murderer.

Maybe Farah's father also had a little garden?

But-back to that list-I'm going to see if it's online yet. It's just another nail in the coffin for Canada-further proof that most Canadians just don't "get it".

Is this the list you want? I bookmarked it earlier.:)
[Link: www.canada.com...]

Where is GORDON, the left wing apologist. We need his insight as to how the system framed this poor co-religionist.

#47 Kat

BINGO!

For once I agree with #12 Ploome. This "human" is vile, and deserves the death penalty for his crime.

But this is a new low for LGF in another way too. Charles' misuse of this sick story to suit his anti-Islamic agenda is vile too. And the weak argument in #9 doesn't cut it.

I hope this site doesn't degenerate into a true hate site as its left-wing and Muslim detractors claim. These kinds of threads validate their claims.

#28 Big Dipper

BTW, I was wondering if Judith or Elizabeth would tell us what the penalty is for first-degree murder in Canada.

Same as it is in some dumb-fuck american State's, Dork.

Besides failed socialists like those two don't understand what its like to be kissed by Stalin.

#39 WriterMom . . .

"What is it with all these Nazis and their f*king gardens?"

I remember (may be a stereotype) that they also seem to like little birds.

Actually, I think the punishment in Canada is just 25 years. That's considered life. (Common joke on one's 25th anniversary: If I'd killed her, I'd be out by now).

If you want to keep someone in longer than 25 years, the Crown has to petition to have the perp designated a "dangerous offender", which Paul Bernardo was, for instance.

I can't stand reading all this stuff. It makes one just sick to one's stomach. But at the same time, I just have to think, what are the women in these countries thinking? They must be suffering horrendously, losing their kids left right and centre whenever their husbands decide to "I divorce thee I divorce thee", and having no recourse. And with beatings totally normal so that guys like this don't even realize they've done something totally despicable.

When women get power, these guys are in for it. At least, I hope most of the Muslim women aren't like the woman in this case. One can only pray...

Gordon #50 -

So, is it your position that Islam had NOTHING to do with this guy's attitude towards this poor little girl or what he ended up doing to her?

Are you saying that the way women (and girls) are treated under Islam is irrelevant to this story?

Do you think that he would have done the same thing to a boy?

#50 Gordon:

I don't often respond to you. In fact, this may be a first but Jesus H. Christ, you are a schmuck.

Do you really believe that this animal's "cultural" upbringing and his behavior are in no way related? Do you really believe that he just happened to marry another homicidal psychopath? Do you really hold the people and society who gave him this girl as his property blameless? Do you really think that his sense of the value of this young girl's life is not tied in any way to a culture that does not value life much, values children less and values women hardly at all?

Your knee-jerk apologist tendencies are pathetic. Moreover, you display a tendency towards willful blindness and ignorance. You know the deal and you twist yourself into a pretzel to ignore it.

Here's the bottom line. This animal, who belongs sbout 6 feet under ground and not in a cell (from which he will likely one day be released) is only in a cell because he happens to be in Canada, which is somewhat less backwards than the asylum from whence he emigrated. Over there, he may have not been punished at all and his actions would not have been too far out of the "cultural" norm. But you go on telling yourself that it is Charles and LGF that's the problem.

Schmuck.

53

Dangerous offender status does not apply to murderers. Bernardo obtained his for being The Scarsbourough Rapist.

Anyhow I don't think this guy being a Muslim has anything to do with his act. Children are murdered and abused every year by members of all cultures. This just happens to be one involving a Muslim.

My father was a police officer for 36 years. The most horrid case he investigated involved a couple of inbreds of the white and highly religious variety who murdered their first born when she was a couple of years old. Poor little mite was conceived out of wedlock and it was the devils work don't you know. She endured torment and abuse, inclding scaldings to get Satan out, until they eventually murdered her by tossing her down the stairs. The pathologist who did the autopsy said she'd never seen a child so abused.

#54 Amy

Would he have done the same thing to a boy?

I have to say, I think he would have. Sick man, sick actions. Would a boy who was a 'bastard child' and 'disobedient' (great excuses to kill someone, really they are) have been any less dishonor?

#32 Islamophobe 3/6/2004 05:01PM PST

My pocket dictionary defines a psychopath as "a person with a personality disorder, esp. one manifested in aggressively antisocial behavior." Substitute "violent" for "antisocial" and I think you've got it. In short, Islam is a religion for violent nuts.

I'm afraid you are wrong in this. Psychopaths are people who are unable or unwilling to live within the realm of the law. What this fellow did is not outside of Sharia law, at all. He is just an ordinary law-abiding person, in a universe where it's OK to kill. Letting these ugly creatures come here is the actual psychopathy, on the part of LLL politicians.

As far as him being abused in prison - forget it. Other criminals are afraid of muslims. An "invitation to touching" kind of inmate would be in real danger. Muslim killers get red carpet treatment from jail authorities and othet criminals alike.

58

Muslims are not enough of a presence in Canadian prisons to be much of a threat.

The major gangs are Native Indians and the AB.

Besides a child killer never has an easy time no matter what group he belongs to.

#56 Mar:

Sure, there are psychopaths in every culture. However, honor killings, honor rapes and other atrocities are part of the islamist culture, not wild, aberrant deviations from it. That is the key difference. Islamists do not typically recoil in horror from this sort of perversion but, rather, embrace it as part of their culture. Murderers of women and children go unpunished if their reason for the murder is permitted under the bizarre "honor" code that the culture is based upon.

This man isn't a psychopath who just happens to be Muslim. He is, in all likelyhood a psychopath who's psychosis was fed, nurtured and given license by the nature of his upbringing. If he had not come from that culture, he would likely never have had the inclination, much less the opportunity (let's not forget who gave him the child) to commit this murder.

Pakistan must be one sick Muslim country. Yesterday we learned that gang rape is permissable there; today we discover that disposing of unwanted 5 year-olds (in pieces) is A-OK if the little "bastard" dims the family honor (by asking for $10 class pictures, no less).

I can hardly wait for tomorrow's eye-opening multi-culti nugget from Pakistan. Here I sit, barf bag at the ready...

Any chance this guy is saying this stuff to escape real prison for more pleasant psychiatric facilities?

#53 Femiloser

It's because of the ignorant feline vote for F-ing
Trudeau that brought Canada to the Liberal cesspool it wallows in now. Forget all that your simpleton teachers and Feminazi mother told you up till now and begin a real education. Here in LGF and elsewere, in the blogasphere you have a HUGE opportunity to grow and increase your develpment without the worry of a Liberal education and communicable diseases, I think?

#62

Sgt. Canuck,

That was completely uncalled for. For your information, I totally support LGF, think Canada is so ridiculously sick that I would rather be an American, think Trudeau wrecked the country, and one day will be an American.

So your hatred is rather amazing to me. All I said is that if women ever got a semblance of power in any Arab or Muslim country, we might finally start to see such a change. I believe that's Paul Bremer's line, as well. They're trying to prevent sharia going through in the new constitution just so that women won't be second class citizens in Iraq.

And if you fail to have any sort of compassion for this little girl's mother who had no recourse and then had to find out later that her daughter was dismembered, then I can't quite figure out what you think I need to learn.

And please don't call me a feminazi. That's hate-mongering. Is it feminist to want women to not have their children ripped away from them at their husband's say? I think that's called basic human rights. That's what everybody here at LGF was for, I thought from reading for the last few months. That's what Israel understands, and the Muslim world doesn't. So please don't start calling people names for no reason. If you really do think Muslim women are better off in the position that they're in right now, then you're taking the same position that the Taliban did. And I thought the whole point was that we already ended that.

I hope one day all Muslim countries will be places where everyone has freedom. And when that happens, I think the men might be surprised at what the women will do. Call me a feminazi if you want, but I hardly think it's either feminist or nazi to believe that women will one day fight back if they get half the chance. Don't you want them to? Don't you think all these places would be better off if women did?

Sgt Canuck

What is it you are trying to say?

What is the feline vote?

You come across as being some type of a stereotypical extremist nut. I think you are only trying to make LGF look bad with your stupidity.

#54 Amy,

#55 Jheka,

Gordon won't be answering anything connected to your posts. Gordon's goals are to derail the the thread, ending any productive discussion of the subject at hand and to try to paint Charles' LGF site as racist. Gordon isn't simply "a useful idiot", and a tool of the enemy... Gordon IS THE ENEMY.

63

Although I don't agree with your thoughts on Canada, I am a proud Canadian and love my country warts and all, I think Sgt Canuck is a DU type trying to make LGF look bad or else he really is a far right nut.

Either way he is beneath contempt and I will add him to my ignore list.

and ive been feeling sorry for my self...

the horrors that this poor child endured due to the benevolent culture of the rop...

I hope this site doesn't degenerate into a true hate site as its left-wing and Muslim detractors claim.

Actually, as far as comments about Canadians go, it already pretty much has.

1) 25 years for first degree murder in Canada. And you serve the whole term unless you admit your crime and undergo therapy that is successful. Parole is the carrot part of the carrot and stick treatment of offenders and, inspite of the notable exceptions that always make the news, it works for the vast majority of them.

2) Canadian recidivism rates are a fraction of American rates. We put fewer people in jail for shorter periods of time and have lower crime rates for every major and minor type of crime compared to the USA on a per capita basis. Our prison system costs less, too because it is based on more rehabilitation less on punishment. If longer sentences, harsher punishments and nastier jails prevented crime the USA would be one of the safest places in the world because they have the worst prisons of any country with a free judicial system and he porrest rehabilitation schemes. Obviously, it doesn't work. The USA also have one of the highest false conviction rates too.

3) Murder in prison is still murder. Anyone who encourages "inmate justice" should have someone they love unfairly convicted, and then murdered in prison while awaiting an appeal. Or they should have someone they love murdered by a prisoner who was encouraged to commit murders in prison instead of being rehabilitated after he gets out. I am beyond disgusted by those who seem to think prisons, and the prisoners locked in them, should be used to bypass law and order and the legal administration of justice for vigilantism.

4) Canada is far harder on pedophiles and dangerous criminals in the USA precisely because we have a clause that allows someone to be declared a dangerous offender and they can then be held indefinately no matter what their original sentence, what rehabilitation they go through, or if they eventually win on appeal. To the best of my knowledge no US state has anything like the power of Canada's dangerous offender laws.

5) Karla Homolkah did apply for early parole, she lost her appeal for and is currently in the evaluation process for determining if she should also be declared a dangerous offender with her ex-husband. Don't rap the Canadian system for how Karla has been treated until the Canadian system is through with her. It isn't yet.

6) Battered children are not unique to Islam. Nor are evil stepmothers. What happened to that little girl is horrible beyond words. I have read nothing nor heard one thing to suggest Islam had anything to with it.

This whole thread disgusts me.

I'm glad I'm not in the same hemisphere as this guy.

If I was in the same room... I would try my hardest to make sure he lived as long as possible. Of course, bits of him would need trimming off now and then, as they got so mangled they'd endanger his life.

I'm not just saying this - it's what I'd truly do, and worse, I'd enjoy it. Which is why I'm glad I'm nowhere near him.

Dangerous offender status does not apply to murderers.

Wrong. Many of our dangerous offenders are murderers, sex offenders who committed murder.

I will retract one statement-Ilsam had someonething to do with this in so far as the father was able to use Islam to take the child away from her while living in another country. How that becomes Canada's fault thought, is a bit beyond me.

sub_version #57 -

I have to most respectfully disagree with you. Boys are given much more behavioral latitude than girls. And boys are valued by their fathers, unlike girls, who, at best, are nothing more than another mouth to feed until they're old enough to sell to another family for incubation purposes.

pinkos #65

I've seen Gordon carry on debates on other threads. But, in any case, it made me feel better to say what I did, so it's not a total loss. :)

sgt. canuck #62 -

Leave your misogyny outside the door when you come to LGF. It's not welcome here.

mar #56 -

I have no doubt that people of all cultures do sick and violent things; it would be stupid to deny that.

My point is that the Islamic culture seems to support and justify the abuse of women and girls in a way that other cultures (except maybe the Chinese) do not. Men are excused for beating women (in fact, the Koran tells men it's OK to do so), raping women (especially non-Muslim women, who are "asking for it" by showing their ankles and faces and who are subhuman "objects" anyhow) and killing women (for their "disobedience").

What the jurors in the "Farah Khan" murder trial

We can only wish for so much!

Canada is going to give them the right to use that sharia shit here.

Wrong. Groups of Muslim women are now protesting this and saying it can't be used for most domestic issues ect. This has been proposed but will likely be shot down. It most certainly is not a done deal.

Please get you facts straight. There is plenty to bash Canada about that is factually worth bashing without making things up.

I don't think that any of this is Canada's fault, but I also don't see Canada moving to restrict immigration from Muslim countries. Classic case of ostrichism.

I don't think that any of this is Canada's fault, but I also don't see Canada moving to restrict immigration from Muslim countries. Classic case of ostrichism.

Now there is a criticism of Canada I would agree is based in fact.

Canada is harder on pedophiles--now excuse me while I roll on the floor, but just today, Canada released a pedophilic bastard who sodomized a 2 year old and they are sending him to Winnipeg. They say he did the customary classes to get an early release but is likely to reoffend. Now I find that really comforting, don't you?
A huge majority of US violent crimes are committed by illegals. US should just ship the creeps home. Course, a great deal of Canada's crimes in Vancouver and Toronto are also illegals and immigrants.
War Criminals Feel At Home
Reference Article: Globe & Mail A1

"The worst that can happen to you is you can be thrown out, and by the time that's underway you can plan your retreat and pick your destination." -- William Shabas, International Human-rights Law, University of Quebec at Montreal

Since 1987, 310 people suspected of committing war crimes or crimes against humanity have entered Canada, according to the government. Only 60 of these people have been deported.

A Tamil Tiger rebel/terrorist (Sri Lanka) that entered Canada in 1989 under a false passport was ordered deported, but has successfully blocked deportation by uttering the magic words that no Immigration Officer can resist: REFUGEE

Once this incantation is made, the criminal illegal alien is assured of years or decades of happy residency in Canada. In 1991, the Immigration Department's refugee board found this man guilty of complicity in crimes against humanity, which of course allowed him to begin a whole new round of hearings and other tactics to delay his deportation.

He has now brought his entire family to Canada and is still here. Eight Years of Immigration Canada spending our tax dollars on this case and HAVING NO EFFECT.
Or take the case of a Rwandan man who is considered to be the ideological architect of the genocide of a million Tutsis. He was discovered doing postgraduate studies at Laval University in Quebec City and has now been fighting deportation for 5 years, with no end in sight.

He's lucky to have slipped in under the Immigration Guideline which prescribes immediate deportation only after you kill 1.5 million people. (heavy sarcasm)

A serious question: Does Canada EVER deport a criminal immigrant right away? No, Canada treats them with kid gloves and appreciates their culture.

Kat- you are doing the unfactual thing again. You have taken one case that made the press, generalised it to he whiole system, and then completely ignored the balance of the evidence.

In fact Canada is THE world leader in the treatment of pedophiles. Pedophilia is considered to be intractable, incurable, yet we are doing it at rates unheard of anywhere and people are coming from all around the world to learn how we do it.

Any if you checkd facts instead of generalizing you would discover that the fear of being declared a dangerous offender is a primary motivator in the successful treatment.

You are also ignoring our very high rate of rapid rearrest, without any harm to any child, of these dangerous types as soon as they violate the limits of their release by hanging around a school yard or getting close to a child. We have an excellent over all record of rearrest. not perfect, but pretty darn good overall.

The man may have been a psychopath. However, if you are from a culture that treats women as property, then a (possibly) illegitimate girl-child has very little value indeed. Therefore, killing the child is of no greater consequence than drowning an unwanted kitten.

In contrast, the Judeo-Christian tradition recognizes the humanity of women and the sanctity of all life. Didn't Jesus say "Gather the little children to come to me," despite ( I believe) this line's absence from Mel Gibson's recent movie.

Of course there are always psychopaths and unwanted children. But this sad event begs the question: Would this murder have happened if the man and his wife had been from a humanistic Judeo-Christian culture? Maybe the murder would have happened anyway, but the probability of it happening would at least have been less.

Since 1987, 310 people suspected of committing war crimes or crimes against humanity have entered Canada, according to the government. Only 60 of these people have been deported.

Thgis is a legitimate fact based critism of Canada with which I happen to 100% agree.

What bugged me the most about Canada was its extreme resistance to beefing up its border surveillance to prevent terrorists from getting into the U.S. The Canadian authorities took umbrage at the U.S.'s more-than-reasonable request on the grounds that Muslims were allegedly being unfairly targeted for extra scrutiny. This is multi-culti P.C. willful blindness at its worst.

Well-entrenched terrorist fund-raising organizations have been discovered in Canada, which was also extremely loathe to shut them down or to declare Hamas a terrorist organization, using the specious distinction between its so-called social welfare branch and its military branch. It took a lot of American arm-twisting to get the Canadians to do anything on this front.

Personally, I think it was a case of cowardice - Canada didn't want to give its Muslims reasons to perpetrate atrocities on Canadian soil.

In contrast, the Judeo-Christian tradition recognizes the humanity of women and the sanctity of all life. Didn't Jesus say "Gather the little children to come to me," despite ( I believe) this line's absence from Mel Gibson's recent movie.

I'm not excusing Islam but that is a pretty broad generalisation. That guy who kidnapped the little girl behind the car wash in Florida and then murdered her was not a Muslim. I also don't think Israel is free of abuse of children either. last time I checked they had a lot of money going out for battered wives too.

Judith -

You're still missing the point. The Israelis do not condone beating women - such men are punished, and the women are given help. Such is simply not the case in Islamic countries, where what goes on in a man's household is nobody's business but his.

What bugged me the most about Canada was its extreme resistance to beefing up its border surveillance to prevent terrorists from getting into the U.S. The Canadian authorities took umbrage at the U.S.'s more-than-reasonable request on the grounds that Muslims were allegedly being unfairly targeted for extra scrutiny. This is multi-culti P.C. willful blindness at its worst.

Really? My understanding was that Canada was concerned for two reason. 1) Slowing trade. 2) the way the USA took one of our citizens in New Yorl, while he was in transit between Tunisia and Canada, and deported him to Syria where he was tortured for a year without Canada even being informed he had been seized for months and months. The USA did that to another of our citizens as well.

How do you think the USA would react if Canada grabbed American citizens at the border, deported them to say Iran for torturing and didn't bother telling the American government? Do you think the American government would be all like "Okay, all American citizens who place of birth happens to be a country Canada hates, don't worry, cooperate 100% when they insist on knowing where your country is and don't worry about those other Americans who ended up being tortured in Syria. We're at war afterall."

Kat

Sources please for your assumption that immigrants are committing the lions share of crimes in Canada.

I put ugly boots and a gun on 4 days out of every 8 and can tell you you are wrong.

A sad fact is that it is Native Indians that are over represented in the prison population in comparison to their actual population.

point taken Amy. I agree. But anyone who think being religious protects you from being evil is naive.

This is who Muhammad Arsal Khan murdered.
[Link: www.canadafirst.net...]

Muhammad, Muhammad, Muhammad

I hope he gets beaten into a bloody pulp in jail. As far as I'm concerned, it will be a cause for celebration if he does.

Judith #83-

If I remember correctly, the story about the guy who was deported to Syria came out long after the story about Canada's resistance to tightening border security. I do not remember that as the reason Canada gave for not wanting to cooperate with border security, or that the two stories were linked at all. Rather, the specific reason with regard to the border dispute was that the Canadians objected to "profiling" Muslims going between Canada and the U.S.

As for slowing trade, do you consider that an adequate reason to refuse to cooperate with a neighbor which had just been attacked in the most heinous way? I don't.

And I don't think that being religious protects anyone from being evil - I don't think I said anything remotely resembling that. What I said was that Islam seems to condone or promote certain behaviors which we in the West consider evil, immoral or, at the very least, wrong.

Natives are over represented in rural areas--not in the larger cities--I read that, and I'll look for it.
Here is a US article. Good read.
[Link: www.city-journal.org...]

Well, I'm saying good night folks.

There is plenty to bash Canada about. Please stick to facts and consider the whole story before making assumptions though. Americans are reknowed in Canada for the complete and utter ignorance they possess about what really goes on up here. Regrettably, LGF seems to prove it to be true on an almost daily basis, although there are quite a few Americans I've met here who are not.

Oh, and BTW, I don't live an igloo either.

Kat, your assertion that

A huge majority of US violent crimes are committed by illegals.

is just plain absurd.

Get a freaking rational thought, before you end up like our rather umpleasant Muslim subject who is the focus of this thread.

Good night, Judith. It's been a pleasure talking to you.

#90, not a hugh majority, but merely a hugh minority! thanx to the united efforts of america haters and serial law breakers and shirkers!

Well, I guess I should have said illegals, immigrants and Blacks if I was to be completely honest. Majority was the wrong word--it would be true in California, but not all states. In Canada we are so bloody pc that it is hard to get stats because they don't like us to know they are not white or legal Canadian.
Really Grumpy--maybe you need to take your temper and shove it up your ass. And don't you threaten me you little fucktard.

Kat

Why do you care what colour of skin an offender has?

In my first posting I worked in a community that was %60 Asian,(Chinese) and they were not the people I was arresting.

The major organized crime group causing grief for law enforcement in Canada happens to be outlaw motorcycle gangs, in particular the HA's. You can't get much whiter. As a matter of fact one has to be white.

Why don't you cool it with your rhetoric? If you are the same Kat who has been posting on LGF for awhile I also recall you attacking Mommydoc and going into rampages about gays and abortion.

Being from Toronto I have heard so much about this story now for a few years and didnt read the above article so excuse me if I am repeating something said in it...but what is also quite sad is this:

This man was married to the childs mother years ago in Pakistan and when he chose to divorce her, the young girl I believe was just a few months old but as many an abusive man will claim, he was convinced that this child was not his and was the product of some imaginary affair his wife had.

He didnt want the child, the mother did but the elders in his village decided that he alone would take the child because of the divorce and the poor childs mother never saw her daughter again.

He then came to Canada and married another woman, who I "beliee" wasnt Canadian born but a landed immigrant.
Reading between the lines it sounded to me as if he married her simply to receive Canadian citizenship.

But, he brought the child into this union and I understand from day one she was beaten repeatedly.

The elders in Pakistan who tore this child away from her mother and gave her to the father should be shot for their own contributions to this horrible crime!

Kat #93 -

Well, I guess I should have said illegals, immigrants and Blacks if I was to be completely honest.

Please back this up with reliable statistics or STFU.

#23 Zorkmidden In one article he said his mother and tribal elders forced him to take the child. I hope he rots in jail. And his wife too.

Sorry, I now realize the point I made above was discussed long before I posted it.

Sorry!

My understanding, if I am correct, is that his new wife isnt guitly of anything other than being abused herself and didnt contribute to this crime other than being afraid for her own life.

Its hard for me to judge her but from what I understand she had a series of failed relationships with very abusive men and had been rescued at least from one before this man and he apparently in his abuse towards her, didnt allow her to help the child nor contribute to her upbrining at all.

All in all, I believe this new wife was terrorized as well!

;-(

Proof positive that evil still exists in this world. Call it Islam, call it what you wish - it is still evil. I am tired of all of the rationalizations that the LLL likes to give in these cases. IMHO it is all the same - F-ing evil. Coffee time everyone. The cult of death is upon us. Submit to it ...

#97 Shelagh

I don't know if she was an abused wife, or if spousal abuse was a cultural norm for her. I do believe that she had many chances to get away from this man, and by being a Canadian citizen, I'm sure she was aware of the many-many resources available to her and the little girl.

I read that after the murder it was the stepmother that went and told the child's teacher lies about "leaving for Pakistan", etc., and also thanked her for being "a kind lady." I also read that she stayed in this marriage because "it would be shameful" if she got divorced again. She did nothing to protect this child, and participated in the murder. I have no sympathy for her.

Some observationson reading the posts on this report: 1) Judith is a pretty good apologist for multicultural relativism and for Canada's gross disrespect for American security concerns post 9/11. Border trade does not trump American security. As for the deportation, the U.S. was showing Canada the way. We've already had terrorist come down from Canada wage war on us in 1994 and later. Does the name A. Ressam mean anything?

2) While some Jews, Christians, and atheists may abuse wives and children, such abuse is not part of the religious culture or the social culture (case of atheists). With Islam, it is. Women are men's fields to be plowed as the men see fit. To deny the critical role Islam plays in this child's murder is to deny reality itself. The culture shaped by Islam permits wife and child abuse and killings (honor killing). Consequently, one who acts as this Mohammed does, in a way that is consistent with the religious culture of his country would be hard put to understand why he is being prosecuted for that which his religion allows him to do. Did he not bury the child's head according to religious rites? That he and his wife murdered and dismembered Farrah does not mean that they are not good Muslims. They are, for he, as the ruler of his household, applied discipline as he saw fit.

3) Should Canada be stupid enough to permit Sharia law, men like Mohammed will demand to be tried under Muslim laws and they will walk. Muslims who rape/kill non-Muslims will also make similar demands, and then what. It is incredible folly for Canada to think that it knows better than Nigeria, which is no doubt regretting that it allowed Sharia. Having Sharia means having the Saudis taken an even greater role in undermining and destabilizing the country. Canada can only hope that once it gets itself into this sharia mess that the U.S. will help when Muslims start waging war on the rest of non-Muslims Canadians. It is just a matter of time until the numbers are significant to allow that.

Here's a book about a similar horrific incident:

Guarding the Secrets: Palestinian Terrorism and a Father's Murder of His Too-American Daughter by Ellen Francis Harris

Here's an editorial review obtained from amazon.com:

From Publishers Weekly
This true-crime study spotlights the clashing of cultures. TV reporter Harris (Dying to Get Married) relates the tragic story of 16-year-old Tina Isa, murdered in Missouri in 1989 by her father, Zein al-Abdeen Hassan Isa, with her mother's help. The father, from a backwater Palestinian town on the West Bank, was a suspected member of the terrorist Abu Nidal organization, and his home in St. Louis had been bugged by federal agents. Thus the murder was taped, and the parents received death sentences. The proximate cause of the slaying was Tina's attempted assimilation into American culture?her wanting to become independent, to get a job, to date an African American teenager?but the root causes, according to the author, lay in the misogyny of Islam and in the clannish nature of rural Palestinian society, where the "honor" of the family is more important than life itself.

The book has a 4-star rating on amazon.com, and there's a review there by Daniel Pipes too.

In November 1989 in St. Louis, the FBI inadvertently tape recorded the entire episode of a teenage girl's being killed by her Palestinian father and Brazilian mother (the Feds were looking for evidence of terrorism, which they also found). In a ghastly eight-minute sequence, Zein Isa stabbed his daughter Palestina thirteen times with a butcher's knife as his wife held the girl down and responded to Palestina's pleas for help with a brutal "Shut up!" The killing ends with Zein screaming "Die! Die quickly! Die quickly! . . . Quiet, little one! Die, my daughter, die!" By this time, she is dead.

Harris, a St. Louis television reporter, has done admirable spade work going through the court transcripts and interviewing everyone connected to the case in an attempt to piece together the interlocking stories of family murder and active support of Abu Nidal's terrorist organization. In addition, she successfully conjures up the small and exceedingly unpleasant world of Zein Isa and his family of rabid anti-Americans living right in the American heartland. The murder culminates their lives of frustration, greed, and vulgarity. Unfortunately, Harris spent more effort digging up information than she did writing the book; so the more-than-casual reader must read and reread its pages to piece together the sequence of events and the scope of the Isa family's involvement with Abu Nidal. Doing so repays the effort, however, for Harris has compiled a treasure trove of materials on two usually elusive subjects.

Daniel Pipes, Middle East Quarterly, September 1995

1) Judith is a pretty good apologist for multicultural relativism and for Canada's gross disrespect for American security concerns post 9/11.

Helen is a pretty apologist for a genaralized disrespect of Canadian passports, Canadian due law process, and Canadian citizens. How do USA security concerns post 9/11 justify asking Canadians what country they were born in and then detaining them, deporting them to a third country known for torture and other human rights abuses, without informing their government or even allowing them a lawyer?

That was my point on the main issue of why our government refused to cooperate with the American decision to place special scrutiny on Canadian citizens born in suspect countries. And Mahar Arar was the worst case, but certainly not the only one. There have been dozens of cases of Canadian citizens being detained in the USA without any kind of due process or any informing of the government. "Snatch em and lose em" seems to be the USA policy. But hell, we're at war and we're just talking about Canucks, not real people, so that is okay."

I note you did not address that very specific concern, rather you simply made a sweeping statement about security trumping trade.

As for "apologist for multicultural relativism" please be more specific as I don't see anything about multiculturalism in my posts at all.

Re: #68 Judith

I believe the penalty for 1st degree murder in Canada is life in prison with no chance of parole for 25 years. Unfortunately the bleeding hearts came along and inserted "the faint hope clause" that allows a convicted murderer to apply for early parole after 15 years. I can't say offhand how often this is used but Colin Thatcher was recently released through an early parole hearing. He had previously been denied early release but was successful on a subsequent attempt. Thatcher is a former leader of the provincial Liberal party in Saskatchewan who was convicted for the 1st degree murder of his former wife in Regina.

As for the treatment of people like Thatcher while in prison - don't get me started on the country club prisons. ARRGH.

#45 Mar

Thank you. It sounds like Canadian first degree is similar to America's.

John B- re those bleeding hearts that save so much of your tax dollars and reduce Canadian crime rate - I refer you to a part of my posts earlier in this thread that you obviously didn't read or else read and didn't bother to comprehend.

Canadian recidivism rates are a fraction of American rates. We put fewer people in jail for shorter periods of time and have lower crime rates for every major and minor type of crime compared to the USA on a per capita basis. Our prison system costs less too, because it is based on more rehabilitation less on punishment. If longer sentences, harsher punishments and nastier jails prevented crime the USA would be one of the safest places in the world because they have the worst prisons of any country with a free judicial system and the poorest rehabilitation schemes. Obviously, it doesn't work. The USA also have one of the highest false conviction rates too.

Let me repeat the important part of that.

If longer sentences, harsher punishments and nastier jails prevented crime the USA would be one of the safest places in the world

Judith:

Good - now try telling that to the parents and relatives of Joanne Wilson - the former wife of Colin Thatcher who was first shot in the arm (from a sniper firing through a window of her house) and later bludgeoned and shot to death by Thatcher.

You obviously don't comprehend either because pieces of human shit like Thatcher aren't going to commit further crimes while sitting in jail for life- right? Rehabilitation may, and probably does work for more minor crimes but first degree murder - get serious. I was under the impression that life was valued in civilized countries.

For what it's worth, I have read numerous times that first degree murderers have among the lowest rates of recidivism. Why shouldn't they - after all they have just killed the person who annoyed them. No, with respect to first degree murder it asn't about recidivism or saving a few dollars. It's about fundamental respect for the victims and justice.

Islamic "civilization" taking root in Canada.

A few years in general population of any large staterun prison facility, let the inmates know the details of thier crimes. Justice has a way of working its way out in such situations. Convicts do so hate baby rapers/killers, Old Jeffery Dahlmer was beaten to death in a weight room by a large group of black men...over a period of 15 minutes, in case you didnt understand that last sentance...they took thier time.

Not even the muslim gangs in prison could protect this bastard if the truth got out.

This sounds less like something caused by culture (Islam) and more like something caused by Insanity.

Oh well, Islam, Insanity, they both begin with the letter "I". No real difference, I suppose, as most of the time they seem interchangeable, given the way these b*stards act. :-)

May your soul rest in peace, child...

DTI

John B - Should I take this spurious lashback to mean you approve of paying higher taxes for the cost of running ineffective punishment oriented prisons, having higher rates of recidivism, higher crime rates and higher rates of false conviction because punishment is more important to you than rehabilitation?

I suggest that if you don't like the Canadian prison system either move south if you're Canadian, and stay there. You'll be right at home. If you're already American, you've got to nothing to worry about. You've already got that system.

Islamic "civilization" taking root in Canada.

Perhaps you'd care to elaborate on what you mean by that because I certainly tell.

Can't tell. can't tell

Preview is my friend.

Ronin-Post 68 #3

Farrah means joy in Arabic.

That poor child's story is horrific beyond belief. When my mother used to beat she would often scream how she was going to kill me. I recall wondering at that age between blows, if this was the beating where she was going to do it and how would she explain that to the neighbours. I know excatly what it is liked to be raised by a parent who hates you and no child should have to live with that.

My mother wasn't Islamic. She was 3rd generation Canadian, mainly English descent, so I guess that explains it all. If only we'd only had a prison system that would have put my mother away for life and then arranged to have her murdered by her fellow inmates, that would have made it all better for me growing up.

Sarcasm off-

Judith -

You haven't addressed my previous comment that I believed that Canada's uncooperativeness with regard to strengthening its border vigilance was based on its reluctance to engage in profiling of Muslims rather than on the specific deportation case you referred to. I think that the profiling objection predated the deportation and was entirely separate from it as a basis for Canada's foot-dragging.

Furthermore, your reference to the deportation is not even relevant to the issue of profiling, since in the case of profiling, the U.S. is asking the Canadians themselves to check the papers of those wanting to enter the U.S. and detain those who are suspect. How does this relate to actions taken against Canadian citizens by the U.S.?

Canada wants to uphold the fiction that a Canadian citizen is a Canadian citizen is a Canadian citizen, even where there is persuasive proof that Muslim citizens have not, and do not intend to, assimilate into Canadian society, and that they engage in activities which are perfectly acceptable in their Islamic societies but completely contrary to Canadian values and laws, such as raising money for terrorists under the cover of so-called Islamic charities, and chopping their daughters into pieces.

Hence, Canada's desire to bury its head in the tundra.

P.S., Judith -

I am very sorry that you had to endure that kind of abuse from your mother. But did she claim that she was upholding the laws of whatever religion she followed (if any) or that her church leaders would condone what she was doing? That's the main difference for me between the kind of child abuse which is practised across all religious and class lines and the circumstances of the case which is the subject of this thread.

Gotta go out now. Bye, all.

#82 Amy: Show me anything in Islam that condones a father murdering his five-year old daughter for any reason.

You are a bigot. With blinkers on.

You and Charles are two of a kind. Use a horrible event for your evil ideological purposes (extirpation of a world religion with over 1 billion followers).

At least you are more forthright in your rationale than Charles' weak-kneed statement in #9.

Amy -

I believed that Canada's uncooperativeness with regard to strengthening its border vigilance was based on its reluctance to engage in profiling of Muslims

Actaully I never heard anyone but the Muslim groups like CAIR use the term 'profiling'. I don't recall any particular Canadian government official or Canadian agency using that term. I could be wrong. If you have a reference to Canadian officials using that term I'd like to see it.

I do very specifically recall the Canadian government telling Canadians to be careful about going into the USA if their place of birth was a suspect country because they would have an excellent chance of being held by the US government without the Canadian government being informed. Mahar Arar was the worstcase, but by no means the only one. I personally know of two Canadian citizens who were held for 12 and 48 hours at the border without anyone being told about their where abouts. They simply vanished for a long time and then came home badly shaken vowing never to return to the USA again.

the U.S. is asking the Canadians themselves to check the papers of those wanting to enter the U.S. and detain those who are suspect

Now this one baffles me completely. We are supposed to check the papers of Canadian citizens crossing into the United States before they leave on behalf of the American government? Perhaps you can refer me to the website where this process is explained.

even where there is persuasive proof that Muslim citizens have not, and do not intend to, assimilate into Canadian society, and that they engage in activities which are perfectly acceptable in their Islamic societies but completely contrary to Canadian values and laws, such as raising money for terrorists under the cover of so-called Islamic charities, and chopping their daughters into pieces.

First of all, I know several individual Muslim citizens who assimilated quite well into Canadian society and don't engage in terrorist activities or endorse Sharia law. irshad manji is an excellent example, I would say. I assume you are not saying all Muslims act in a certain way? That is about the same as saying all Christians act in a certain way or all Jews act in a certain way.

We have had people here raising money for terrorists, yes, but when we catch them we shut them down. I can understand the complaints about that except for the fact that much much more money has come out of the the USA than Canada. What about Samir whathis name in Florida. The USA is just as guilty as Canada.

did she claim that she was upholding the laws of whatever religion she followed (if any) or that her church leaders would condone what she was doing

Actually yes. "Spare the rod and spoil the child."

Proverbs 13:24 was one of her favorite verses.

There are several groups on-line that are Christian and endorse spanking children. My mother always called her beatings "spankings"

I'm Canadian, and yes, Canada DOES stick its head in the sand when it comes to security concerns; both America's and our own. Canada has become a pompous chicken-shit entity that attempts to curry favour with the world's dictators using anti-americanism as its stock in trade method.

I used to be a proud and passionate Canadian, but no more. This place gives me the creeps, our borders are unmanaged, and we're horbouring increasing numbers of udesirables who will one day cause ALL of us great harm.

Judith, you may be right about the prison situation, but that's mostly because sentences for drug offenses are much more severe south of the border. It simply means the 'drug war' is lost.

I see four more years of liberal monarchy, and many more years of John Ralston Saul holding court at Rideau Hall while Sharia and honor killings become a regular feature of Toronto's multi-culti cultural life. What am I supposed to be proud of?

Gordon I don't endorse your opinion of Charles. i have seen no evidence he is a bigot. I think he is mistaken on this one. This is not an honor killing. however Islam set this one by giving the child to the father when he didn't want her. Honor killing ideas may have contributd to it. however this is not an honor killing in the usual sense of the word.

JohnP-

Canada DOES stick its head in the sand when it comes to security concerns

Five years ago I would have agreed with you. I also would have said the same thing about the USA. Two years ago I would have said it about Canada, but not the USA. Today I would say it about neither.

Gordon, you're just too much. You're asking Amy to provide you with proof that Islam condones wife-beatings, honor killings etc. That's nice, but I've a very straightforward question for you: Where in the Koran does it state that women not be allowed to drive vehicles powered by an internal combustion engine? Nowhere Gordon. But that STILL doesn't change the fact that this IS a reality in Saudi Arabia. That's not bigotry, it's the ugly truth.

Gordon-Have you read Irshad Manji's The Trouble with Islam? If not, please do. it precisely cfompares what the Koran says about women and what actually happens on the ground and why it is important to distinguish the two and react to both.

#110 Judith: You are making excellent points about the relative impacts of different prison philosphies.

The only reason that someone could argue with you is that they accept Michael Moore's argument that the U.S. is an irredeemably evil and violent nation - therefore we must have our rotten prison system to keep the scum population in line.

Who woulda thunk it?

There are crazy people within any religious practice. These people are obviously mentally deranged. I would hesitate to hold them up as typical Muslims.

It would be the same as holding up pedophile priests as the norm for Catholics.

I think these people took the (what we believe to be unfair) law of Islam to a degree to which it was pathological, i.e. that a father has the right to kill one of his offspring who dishonors him. As much as we disagree with their practices, if their practices are within the civil law of their land, there is nothing we can do about it.

However, if they live under the Canadian flag, it doesnt matter what their motivation was. They committed outrageous murder. The fact that they are Muslims is irrelevant from a legal standpoint. Sharia is not the law of the land in Canada. Yet.

What we have to realize is that when these people emigrate to other lands, they take their assumptions with them. Someone needs to tell them upon their arrival that shariah law is not allowed here as civil law. NOT ALLOWED HERE. Plain and simple, and if they dont like that, they need to turn around and get back on the means of transportation that brought them here. It is very simple.

Actually, "honor killings" make pedophile priests look rather tame by comparison.

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Anyway, with a pedophile priest you at least can use the frock to wipe off your chin when you are done.

The only reason that someone could argue with you is that they accept Michael Moore's argument that the U.S. is an irredeemably evil and violent nation - therefore we must have our rotten prison system to keep the scum population in line.

I really wouldn't care about the reaction or agreement of anyone who agreed with a crock of crap like that.

What we have to realize is that when these people emigrate to other lands, they take their assumptions with them. Someone needs to tell them upon their arrival that shariah law is not allowed here as civil law.

There is a group of Muslim women here in Canada who are arguing against the institution of Sharia law in Canada and are glad to be free of it. They come with no assumptions. Irshad Manji is a Muslim immigrant who came from Uganda and she doesn't want Sharia law here either.

Ahh, the glories inanities of Gordon the Gordidiot. I love hate the way he it tries to frame things:

The only reason that someone could argue with you ...

and then it proceeds to set up an absurd strawman ...

"We killed the useless child, the sisterfucker. I said, going, 'I am also Khan Punjabi', I said, I said, 'I am Punjabi, I am not a child of a white woman, I am not a child of a white woman'. I killed the child.. . . We killed the child."

At yet another point in the tape recordings, Mr. Khan said of his daughter, whom he never refers to by name, "Bastard offspring was given birth because of loose dick, because of a loose dick . . . nobody listens to me, go where you want to, where do you want to do, where do you want to go, run where you want to run."

In what sense is this not an honor killing?

Well Amy, I'll stick up for you. I've been to canada enough to feel much safer in my home town of Honolulu than in say Vancouver which appears to be populated by Muslims who fail to adhere to even basic civil standards regarding cleanliness, civil behavior,etc. In addition being accosted by drunks and bums demanding money"Give me $200 now. also makes for a rather unpleasant journey. Canada has decriminalizes much aberrant behavior. In America fully 25%of all crime is committed by illegal immigrants. Removing this alone from the bsis would mean America has a lower crime rate among legal residents than Canada in all areas except murder. As it is America already has a lower rate in every major category than all Eurpopean countries with the excetion of murder by firearms.

It might also be helpful to remember (Gor-don) that while mohammedanism is the driving political ideology motivating the enemy and used to provide a veneer of "legitimacy" to mohammedan atrocities, the other half of the equation is the sick, degenerate, racist, misogynistic cultures in which mohammedanism tends to flourish. We're at war with the whole ball of wax and it's this disgusting mix of "culture" and cultism that is rapidly metastasizing in the West ...

Julia the horrible:

Are you posting from Hooville?

The guy hated the kid because he thought she wasn't his or because he had sex and then ended up with this child. he also hated her because he felt she was noncompliant to his authority. Abusive parents almost always have a completely unrealistic view of what a child does and does not have control over.

I used to get beat up for not wearing my hat because I did it deliberately as I knew I would catch a cold and then give the cold to my mother and make her sick. I also used to get beaten up for waking her up at night crying from a nightmare when I knew she was tired and needed rest. I got beaten up for spilling my milk when I knew she had just washed the kitchen floor. The guy sounds like this kind of abusive parent.

Maybe it would be better if you exlained why you think it is an honor killing because personally I don't see it.

pst-I'd like to see some refs on those figures as they do not match the ones I have.

Re: #110 Judith

Ahh yes - the old argument - "you approve of paying higher taxes". Nice coming from someone who appears to support the policies of the current government - the same government that has pissed away a few hundred million dollars on the sponsership scandel to support Mr. Chretien's friends, has misspent over 1 billion dollars on a gun registry that doesn't accomplish anything and a few billion on the HRDC fiasco of several years ago. I think any competent government could find a few dollars to suuport the prison system. Maybe they could even close the golf course and riding stables that Colin Thatcher used while he was in prison for first degree murder. Hell, they could even sell the Challenger jets that Mr. Chretien recently bought from Bombardier so he could fly around the country in style while the armed forces make do with Wright brothers era Sea King helicopters.

If you want an illustration of how fucked up this countries justice system is consider the case of Mitchell McArthur. After 134 previous convictions, he was recently sentenced for another bank robbery in Port Perry (50 km. northeast of Toronto). He deliberately shot the bank manager in the leg, shot 3 police officers (two gravely) and shot a passerby with a stray bullet. He then held an elderly couple hostage. The judge thought it so serious that he sentenced McArthur to 4 life sentences. In what should bring tears of joy to your heart, the Globe and Mail reported that Mr. McArthur will be eligible for parole in SEVEN years. That story was in the Feb. 28 Globe.

Yup, that'll sure cure 'em.

Cheers,

I am a Canadian and I am old enough and street smart enough to believe all the criticism about the Muslims surely, the US and Canada. All the civilizations have had it. Only the Jews and the Torah have the answer for Mankind but it will take the real Messiah (not the Gibson storyland version) through tremendous world events to change the world. A Happy Purim to all.

Pat

All I've got to say to you is BULLSHIT!

Vancouver has a very small Muslim population and I've only ever seen a veiled woman once in 15 years. She also happened to be a refugee from Zaire. The vast majority of Muslims who do live here are Ismaliis and Persians who came her when the Shah was overthrown. None of which are very religious.

I'll also call BULLSHIT on you story of a street person asking you for $200.

Also BULLSHIT on you crime stats. Prove that illegals committ %25 of all crimes.

#119 - Gordon -

Are you saying that honor killings do not exist in Muslim countries? Are you saying that such honor killings are not condoned and/or excused in Muslim countries whose legal systems are based on Sharia? If you are, you are either incredibly ignorant or a pure fool.

As for saying that I want to "extirpate" over a billion Muslims, I insist that you show me where, in any of my postings EVER on LGF, I ever said that. I won't hold my breath, because I never did. Ever. I am not in favor of genocide of any people.

My philosophy, on the contrary, is that Western countries should halt all immigration from Muslim countries immediately and to monitor all existing Muslim institutions in Western countries for incitement to violence, fund-raising for terrorist organizations, etc.

I firmly believe that there is a Fifth Column of Muslims in Western countries whose members give their allegiance to Islam instead of to their countries of citizenship, who will not assimilate, who do not accept the separation or church and state or of the secular rule of law, and whose goal is to Islamicize the West. Ibrahim Hooper has said as much with regard to Islamization.

Judith -

It will take me some time to try to track down the information on the border dispute between the US and Canada, since it happened some time ago, and I did not download or print out the stuff I read. I will do the best I can, but I can't guarantee I'll find it. I do remember clearly, however, that Canada was objecting to the American demand that Muslims be the objects of heightened scrutiny.

And, yes, based on the experience of the guy who entered the US from Canada before New Year's 2000 with explosives in his trunk because he was planning to blow up LAX, the US was asking Canada to be more vigilant with regard to Muslims who were crossing the border into the US.

The point is that Canada pretended not to see the point of targeting Muslims or people from Muslim countries for heightened scrutiny at the borders.

Your anecdotal "evidence" of "several" assimilated Muslims is of no value whatsoever. Of course I don't say that all Muslims act in a certain way. What I am saying is that there is a significant number of Muslims who have no desire to assimilate and who are using the freedoms accorded them in Western countries to undermine those countries. Please read Daniel Pipes and Steve Emerson and then talk to me about this subject.

As for Canada's shutting down those who raise money for terrorists, are you going to deny that Canada only did so under pressure from the US, or that Canada refused to touch Hamas for a very long time based on its BS "distinction" between Hamas's alleged social welfare arm and its military arm? The US has been going after these fundraisers much more aggressively than Canada has. And the US has gone much further than merely shutting these organizations down - the US has indicted the participants, such as our friend Sami in Florida. I have not heard about any criminal proceedings in Canada. Can you enlighten me on this issue?

Regarding your mother's religious rationalization of her violent behavior - All I can say is that, in that case, she was just as bad as the Muslims who beat their children or wives because Islam gives them the right to do it. I would also say, though, that such belief is not mainstream in this country. Child abuse is not considered acceptable behavior by the vast majority of Christians and Jews in the US.

Here's an interesting article on honor killing and its condonation by legal authorities in Jordan from 1998:

[Link: search.csmonitor.com...]

Here is an excellent article on Canada as a haven for terrorists:

[Link: www.insightmag.com...]

All of you who were talking about Canada refusing to co-operate with the US regarding preventing terrorists from entering the US?

You do know that its US border agents that check people in from the Canadian side, right? When you come into the US from Canada, the only time you talk to a Canadian is when you pay your bridge or tunnel toll (if you're coming in by land in Michigan, its one or the other, which is where the vast majority of my crossings have been).

The Canadians complained that the US wanted lengthier border checks. There's a big difference between a legitimate concern for unnecessary delays of citizens (and yes, I categorize them as unnecessary, since they've now gotten a much better process in place that takes no longer than the old one 95% of the time) and complaining that the US shouldn't try to protect itself.

Amy:

Boy or girl, in Islam, children are still property. I think that this man would have done the exact same thing if his child had been born a boy. Or, if his insane ravings are true, if some other man's child by his wife had been born a boy. Same end result.

sub_version #145 -

Boy or girl, in Islam, children are still property. I think that this man would have done the exact same thing if his child had been born a boy. Or, if his insane ravings are true, if some other man's child by his wife had been born a boy. Same end result.

You may be right. I was basing my surmise on the clear double-standard that exists in Muslim countries. A girl will be killed for having extra-marital sex or for being the victim of a rape or for even talking to a boy without a male chaperone, whereas the boy will get off scot free, or his actions will be justified as demanded by family honor.

This bash/defend Canada stuff does not need to be discussed in every single, solitary thread that has some vague association to Canada does it? As a Canadian and a regular reader, I find that it's really getting tiresome. Please, stick a fork in it.

#146 Amy

I understood where you were coming from, but when the kid is 5 or 6, either way they're property. It sounds like this murderer decided to kill his kid because of his belief it wasn't his kid, and the disobedience was just a further excuse. I can't imagine a boy would have had any better luck as his child.

This isn't the first time I've heard of a young girl being murdered by abusive carers. Here in the UK we heard of a young girl from the Ivory Coast being killed by her aunt after years of cruelty, and not long before that a girl kicked in the stomach and killed by her resentful stepmother, again after years of cruelty. It seems it only matters to you people when the perpetrators happen to be Muslim.

Why she ended up in the hands of her father at such a young age is a mystery to me anyway - normally very young children go to the mother.

why are you suprised. most if not all belivers are on the mental level of a 10 year old in 990 AD.

Somehow I don't see this bastard living through whatever sentence he recieves.

#133 Thom-thom: If you think the quote you gave us from this sicko shows that he is anything but a garden-variety psycho, then you are nuts.

Sorry to bring this up, but I can think of another group which used random crimes committed by a certain religious group to justify genocide.

You fit right in. Congratulations.

Sorry to bring this up

No you're not. You drag out this canard constantly ...

but I can think of another group which used random crimes committed by a certain religious group to justify genocide.

Why the tap dancing? Just call me a Nazi and be done with it. And where have I justified genocide?

#142 Amy: I'm not denying that honor killings occur in Muslim countries. The evidence presented on this web site alone would refute that statement.

I'm saying that the crimes of this animal don't qualify as honor killings. They qualify as unusually sick human behavior which unfortunately afflicts psychopaths of all world religions (and atheists too) universally.

Yes, your statements don't qualify as advocating "extirpation." The statements made in the 1920's and 1930's in certain European countries didn't call for extirpation either. But they certainly led down that garden path, now didn't they?

And this last paragraph is my answer to you too, Thom (#153).

So, IOW, I haven't justified genocide? I wish you'd make up your "mind".

4) Canada is far harder on pedophiles and dangerous criminals in the USA precisely because we have a clause that allows someone to be declared a dangerous offender and they can then be held indefinately no matter what their original sentence, what rehabilitation they go through, or if they eventually win on appeal. To the best of my knowledge no US state has anything like the power of Canada's dangerous offender laws.

We indeed have such things. We call them "sexual predator" laws.

There's even something amusing about the differences in our euphemisms.

AMY YOU ARE A DISGUSTING RACIST BITCH

DIE BITCH DIE

FUCKING WHITE WHORE I HOPE YOU GET BLOWN AWAY BY THE SAME MUSLIMS YOU THINK ARE BELOW YOU

Amy isn't racist

some people are just worse than animals...

its their culture

...

sorry you are taking this personally...I am sure in Pakistan, Yemen or Nigeria that behavior might be acceptable

flights there all the time

enjoy

RACIST BITCH

FUCKING WHITE WHORE

Who's the racist?

The creature who posted comment #157 is in Brampton, Ontario.

So they're still breeding. Charming individual.