...even more flip-floppery.

Manchurian Candidate anyone? That's truly disturbing.

But this is a badge of honor with the LLL and proves his merit in their opinion.

Damn return key...

What I meant to add is that this race will get a whole lot uglier over the next couple of months. Kerry is a douchebag and any intelligent person knows this. The tragedy is that the Liberal Orwellian press is full of doublespeak, so in effect - you're preaching to the choir.

Can anyone suggest a country I can move to, in the event that this LLL idiot wins?

And Kerry has the gaul to call the Bush administration "arrogant".

(gaul intentional)

Dialogue is important, Satan!

Iran also presents an obvious and especially difficult challenge. Our relations there are burdened by a generation of distrust, by the threat of nuclear proliferation and by reports of al Qaeda forces in that country, including the leadership responsible for the May 13th bombings in Saudi Arabia.

But the Bush administration stubbornly refuses to conduct a realistic, non-confrontational policy with Iran, even where it may be possible, as we witnessed most recently in the British-French-German initiative. As president, I will be prepared early on to explore areas of mutual interest with Iran, just as I was prepared to normalize relations with Vietnam a decade ago.

Isn't that exactly what he's got on the agenda today?

John Kerry tells TIME he will 'almost certainly' send his own team to Iraq to assess situation 'within the next few weeks or months'.

Well, Jim McDermott did essentially the same thing, and look at all the opprobrium he suffered.

[Sound of crickets chirping]

And since Kerry gained his fame by denouncing the Vietnam War, presumably his actions will receive the same level of condemnation.

#5 Frank IBC

I was watching the (delightful !!!)
Lost in Translation
and I thought that Japan could be interesting...no CAIR there...

Or LGF could buy an island...Bora Bora it's OK with me, thanks.
We could call it...AMERICA

Can we talk about this or is it attacking Kerry's patriotism?

All this going on while his band of brothers were still on the battlefield.

Where is John McCain, my senator? Wasn't he enjoying a relaxing stay in the Hanoi Hilton in 1971?

Doesn't the 14th Amendment prevent someone giving aid and comfort to the enemy from becoming president?

By the way, here are the results of the Watcher's Council vote for this week... and please read this if you are looking to get nominated next time around.

John Kerry tells TIME he will 'almost certainly' send his own team to Iraq to assess situation 'within the next few weeks or months'.

And I'm sure it will be just as successful as the UN and Red Cross missions were there.

This ain't no party, this ain't no disco, just a traitorous Massachusetts liberal skunk who thinks he can bull his way into the presidency. We shall see. He stabbed them in the back, the American troops still in Vietnam.

Actually, now that I think of it...Aruba is at the top of my list.

Ahh yes, "Senator" Kerry (scare quotes for a reason)

This election cycle has brought this man to light. I always wondered as a child who was the real ringleader for those who hassled our soldiers as they came back from Vietnam. Now, of course, I know who to point to.

john kerry...unamerican...unpatriotic...unbelievable.

...btw, was Hanoi Jane there, too?

To: kellynla
The thing I can't figure about all this is that when I was in the Delta in parts of late 1969-1970 there were damned few US military around. Sure there were Seals and river patrolling in Ba Xuyen and Sa Dec, and guys running around the Ca Mau Peninsula, but it wasn't at all like I or II Corps where jarheads and grunts were literally everywhere.
I would submit that If Kerry learned anything about what was happening in Viet Nam where most of the fighting was taking place it must have been anecdotal. Thus, his tarring of all military with a broad brush was in fact the exposition of his own "progressive" political ideology. It is, by the way, an ideology he still holds dear.

152 posted on 03/06/2004 5:29:41 PM EST by gaspar

OT, but does anyone know a keyboard command to Reload Page?

I remember Kerry back in 1971. I had no problems with him being against the war but the organiztion he associated with was pro North Vietnam which I thought was treasonous.

#19: Frank IBC

With Mozilla, it's Ctrl+R.

A Little More To the Right had this link awhile back...

In his 1985 memoir about the war, Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap wrote that if it weren't for organizations like Kerry's Vietnam Veterans Against the War, Hanoi would have surrendered to the U.S. - according to Fox News Channel war historian Oliver North. [source]

The fact that he believed the North Vietnamese would return all our POWs if we unilaterally withdrew, or at least testified under oath to that belief, is damning in my opinion. Either his judgement was sorely lacking, or, more likely, he was being completely cynical, knowing well that we couldn't depend on the North Vietnamese to release all the POWs lacking any pressure to do so, yet still willing to testify that he believed they would.

Blood is starting to seep upon the water. Kerry just hasn't noticed that he is hemmoraging yet. He will notice a problem when the sharks bite his ass off.

Hans -

It works! (with IE.)

Thanks!

Apparently he's not been called Jane Fonda Kerry for nothing.

I was only in fifth grade when Viet Nam ended but the general impression with which I was left was that the Viet Nam war was a dirty, shameful thing. So why is it now, at least for JF Kerry, such a mark of pride? Is it because he supposedly threw his hard earned medals over the White House fence thus cementing early on Just Flakey Kerry's flip flopping tradition?

It just seems that the lefty, socialist bunch that spent such time and energy protesting that conflict are the ones who are head over heals in love with a self-professed hero from that very same war.

Waffles with ketchup, anyone?
Official dish of the Kerry campaign.

He will notice a problem when the sharks bite his ass off.

But the expression on his Botox-ed face won't change in the slightest.

2 Jaffar abu Grand Vizier

my thoughts also

#24 gymnast

Gymnast
I'm not being sarcastic, but who are the sharks?
Who is asking him the hard questions? If they do, what coverage will it get?
I long for sharks ...

#5 Frank IBC

Can anyone suggest a country I can move to, in the event that this LLL idiot wins?

Don't go east. I would have said Ireland, as I enjoyed my 2 years there, but that was pre 9-11 days. I still visit every few months, but the cost of living and poor infrastructure seems to drive people out. It used to be said the biggest export of Ireland was its youth as there were no jobs (before the 90's boom), now the Irish are leaving because they cannot afford to live there.

JFKerry - Negotiating with the enemy? What a surprise. Recommended we adopt their position en toto tut suite. Another surprise. Come on, really surprise me. Show me a photo of Kerry crewing an AAA gun a'la Hanoi Jane.

Someone with better search skills than mine might check out how many Saddam oil contracts or muslim charity donations wound up in Kerry or Teresa's various campaign/charity coffers. Bet it's more than a smidgeon.

With all the stuff leaking out about Kerry, what will surprise me a bit is if he can actually survive to be nominated. Granted, none of this will appear in the general press. The Republicans won't use it because they are afraid of being called "meanies" by the Democrats. It will leak out.

#30 zee - I share your concern. The media seems to be a wholly owned subsidiary of the DNC right now, whether it's Bush's ANG service, his campaign ads, the economy, or whatever. The goal seems to be bring Bush down.

I don't want a neo-cong in the White House ;)

This is nothing new. In April 1985, Sen John Kerry and Sen Tom Harkin went to visit / pay respects to Daniel Ortega, the communist leader of Nicaragua at the same time the official policy of the government was not to support the communist revolution.

His defence- they weren't communists, just freedom fighters. Of course, a few days after the meet to try to build better US relations with the Sandinista's, Ortega and his cronies flew to Moscow to finalize their loyalty to the USSR.

No surprise there. Look what Admiral Zumwalt had to say about the fella...

“[T]he fabled and distinguished chief of naval operations,Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, told me — 30 years ago when he was still CNO —that during his own command of U.S. naval forces in Vietnam, just prior to his anointment as CNO, young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass,by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets.‘We had virtually to straitjacket him to keep him under control,’ the admiral said. ‘Bud’ Zumwalt got it right when he assessed Kerry as having large ambitions — but promised that his career in Vietnam would haunt him if he were ever on the national stage.” And this statement was made despite the fact Zumwalt had personally pinned a Silver Star on Mr. Kerry.

The article paints him as being "trigger happy."[Link: frontpagemag.com...]

Buckeye Abroad -

Re the lack of infrastructure -

I assume you're referring mainly to the roads? When I visited there 30 years ago, there was exactly one mile of divided highway in the entire Republic - the access road to Shannon Airport. And most main roads were one-and-a-half lanes wide, with giant hedgerows on either side.

Much respect to the Freepers...

Checkout the entire Senate Foreign Relations Committee testimony. Here's the excerpt:
"Mr. KERRY... I have been to Paris. I have talked with both delegations at the peace talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the Provisional Revolutionary Government and of all eight of Madam Binh's points..."
[Link: ice.he.net...]

#30, Zee. The sharks are just ordinary people, with a moral compass, that don't like to be played for fools, and have a keyboard that is equipped with teeth. (along with a few lizards to show them the way) Remember all those "wise" people who said the the US couldn't go into Iraq without the UN? A lot of them were reporters who ended up going along with the program. The press is nothing but circus anyway.

Here is the article link one more time.

[Link: frontpagemag.com...]

Can anyone suggest a country I can move to, in the event that this LLL idiot wins?

I don't recommend Canada although there are a few good people out there, especially among those outside of Quebec.

It will be interesting to see how Kerry handles St. Patrick's Day this year.

Lyin' sack o' $hi^.

Hopefully an enraged Leprechaun will kick him in the shins.

This kerry is a menace. I do NOT understand one thing, why, WHY on earth John McCain likes and works with this kerry bozo?

While McCain was getting his ass beat in hanoi, kerry is kissy face with the enemy...Hell why does McCain, even shake hands with the prick?

Judith -

Thanks, but your and Cba's accounts of the winter weather there didn't exactly make me want to rush up there. :)

Yeah! First on the anti-Canadian comments this thread. ;)

Seriously though-When I am feeling despondent about Kerry I remind myself of two things. 1) I was pretty skeptical about Bush and I have decided I was wrong. 2) As a Canadian, I'm not responsible for whoever wins.

#42: Frank IBC

Hopefully an enraged Leprechaun will kick him in the shins.

I don't think view from Ireland would do that.

We get a lot of highly creative work done in winter. Winnipeg isn't all bad. People have a lot of fun up here. We have the highest nonpaternity rate in the world.

It seems JF Kerry wasn't above a little name dropping at one point either.

Known by the company you keep?

#43, El Cid. To be President, John McCain would shake hands with the Devil. Remember the Keating 5? Aint bipartisnship Grand?

Should the LLL prevail, do NOT leave the Country. Get a damn good CPA, take every legal deduction you are able to on your newly raised taxes, and keep your powder dry.

Frank IBC

Australia is leading right now on my list as alternatives - Mellbourne or Perth.

Frank

The lower South Coast of BC has very mild winters. lots of snow though.

Ntropy -

The expression on Lennon's face is interesting - seems to be "get that gdmd camera out of my face or I'll shove it up your @$$!"

49 gymnast. You do have a point.

Separated at Birth?

Jane Fonda Kerry

Lurch of Addams family fame

Shoot. I meant lots of rain not snow.

Heck, even Google seems to think so.

Mar-we had a woman here as a guest speaker last week. We bought some lovely daffodils for the podium and she sighed and commented-

"Oh how nice. Just like the ones blooming right now in my garden."

I was so proud. Not one person in our department threw anything at her. (-22C at the time).

Kerry w/campaign manager?

#55 Ntropy -

Is that Peter Paul & Mary?

Senate Committee on Foreign Relations (1971):
Senators Fulbright (Chairman), Symington, Pell, Aiken, Case, and Javits.

Fulbright (D - Arkansas)
[Link: bioguide.congress.gov...]

Symington (D - Missouri)
[Link: bioguide.congress.gov...]

Pell (D - Rhode Island)
[Link: bioguide.congress.gov...]

Aiken (R - Vermont)
[Link: bioguide.congress.gov...]

Case (R - New Jersey)
[Link: bioguide.congress.gov...]

Javits (R - New York)
[Link: bioguide.congress.gov...]

Mar -

Thanks, but sounds a bit too clammy for me. I don't do well at all during long strings of overcast/rainy days.

Judith - LOL!

She was from Victoria. I meant to mention that. I think I'm getting punchy. Too much trying to blur the difference between Haman and Mordecai last night.

So today is my entry for the Arafat death pool and it's getting dark outside. I guess I lost too.

I'm having entirely too much fun Googling up images of John flipflop Kerry.

Gotta love those Midwest Pundits.

#5 Frank IBC

You can convert to RoP and move to Sudan where you can have the good life with plenty of kufur slaves, but hurry up as soon there will be no kufurs left there.

Hey i like good anti-kerry stuff as much as anyone, but Freerepubic.com is a questionable source of news.

Looks like Rush got to the separated at birth idea before I did.

Judith

LOL

I remember my Grandmother coming to stay with us in Victoria, from Winnipeg, in March. She couldn't believe the cherry trees were all out in bloom.

how old is Arafat? i am surprised the old monster is still alive.

As my man, The Reverand Al was saying just this morning, "When this is over the only man standing in the Dem Party's gonna' be me" He said he may even have a job for that Caucaision dwarf, Dennis Cuc-whats-his name from Ohio if he's still around after Al gets the nomination. Al's thinking of starting an equal opportunity program for all those Ralph Nader people who don't know how to dance. He wants to have an inclusive administration and feels thats as good a place to start as anywhere.

#37 Frank IBC

Nothing has changed much since you were last there. The N1 between Dublin and Belfast has improved, but I could not imagine the roads to be in such poor shape for a Western European country. Makes me wonder what the Dail did with all the tax money and EU Union funds being pumped into that country.

More separated at birth.

#65 New Kid -

Uh, the idea of "if you can't beat 'em, join em" is getting just a bit more tempting...must stay strong...

Judith #58 - my daffodils are blooming (and have been for about two weeks)

Mar #56 - 'lots of rain', for a Canadian :-)
"if people associate one thing with the city, it is usually rain. It does rain in Vancouver, but you'll see from the information below that it doesn't really rain all that much."
Vancouver Average Annual Rainfall: 1117.2 mm / 43.98 inches
[Link: www.bcpassport.com...]

Mobile (Alabama) ... has an average annual temperature of 67.4 degrees and an annual rainfall of 63.7 inches.
[Link: www.mobilechamber.com...]

Compare Mobile to New Orleans - annual rainfall of 1,448 mm (57 in).
[Link: gatewayno.com...]

#7 Allah

This guy is a freak! I'm rapidly losing my sense of humor.

#33 Doug in VA
I agree. Hannity always laments the lack of hard questions. Why doesn't he or FOX challenge Kerry and crew? Or show up at a press conference? We need a reporter like the dude who makes the awesome videos...Protest Warrior? I'll contribute to the salary, regularly , of any blogger willing to go in the trenches. The Blogger Lizard Network. ..
I'm losing it. How does a reporter qualify to get to ask the questions anyway?

John Frankenstein's Monster Kerry?

#39 Gymnast

The sharks are just ordinary people, with a moral compass, that don't like to be played for fools, and have a keyboard that is equipped with teeth. (along with a few lizards to show them the way)

Well, ok, I trust that - but the folks with the keyboards -where are they sending their words? Like to the editorials in the local? Their own representative? I mean, with said keyboard, where would my energy be best directed?

Here is a dumb idea I've had, kind of apropos, that I have been thinking of. Making business cards that have nothing but LGF's address. Maybe put in that little lizard dude someone posted. I had emailed Charles once and he emailed back it was OK. I guess it still is??

I tell all the passengers I talk to check out LGF. I'm always at , uhm, major traffic distribution points- airports, hotels, etc... the point is most people make no effort to access an array of news sources. Some simply don't know. I figure if I can direct them to LGF it might open their eyes. They may be aghast and not return, but maybe then, they'll start listening more carefully to the world. Maybe they'll investigate. I certainly want everyone to vote the way I would. But I'd be more than gratified if people made their choices based on their own evaluation of information gathered from myriad sources. A sincere misguided lefty is better than the rhyming parrots out there blathering treason. I guess.

Anyway, I was of a mind to leave little inconspicuous stacks of the cards at the airport. Have a few always "scattered" on the back seat. Hand them to folks who want them.
Dumb idea?
Well, truth be told, I have to go pick up a car now. I'll check back to see if it is.

How appropriate is this picture...

From al-Jazeerah?

That's right, it's the French looking John Kerry in full surrender mode.

#68 Mar

Arafat is not that old, I think less than 80, and he survived 4 airplane crushes among other things, as it goes in Spanish "yerva mala nunca muere".

Well...well...well...

I appreciate mine more when they do finally bloom in May, so there.

I was really really really evil in a past life. That was why I was born in Winnipeg in this life.

#50 El Cid

Get a damn good CPA, take every legal deduction you are able to on your newly raised taxes, and keep your powder dry.

You called? I would recommend a tax lawyer if you want to really expand the gray areas in the tax code though.

Regarding keeping your powder dry: even though the AK is a better performing rifle in field conditions, I would recommend a standard 5.56 mm AR15 or similiar rifle to include spare parts and cleaning kit.

Hope that helps ;)

Judith

We get a lot of highly creative work done in winter. Winnipeg isn't all bad. People have a lot of fun up here. We have the highest nonpaternity rate in the world.

Does that mean Canadians breed asexually?

#83 Ed Moran:

Does that mean Canadians breed asexually?

No. Not the one I married, at any rate.

BR

Thanks for the weather link.

Judith

My crocuses are done and the daffodils are just starting.
The thing I like best about the weather in the Lower Main Land, is not the mild winters, but the mild summers. I have problems dealing with intense heat and can't sleep in it at all.

I think Winnipeg is a great city and always enjoy my trips there. If I couldn't have been stationed in BC, Mantioba was my next choice as I have a lot of family there.

79 TNK

Arafat looks ancient! Must be the Parkinson's.

Does that mean Canadians breed asexually?

I don't know.

But I do remember getting a slight twitch in my pants during 8th grade biology when we discussed pistils and stamens.

#72 Frank IBC

Stay strong and go with a bang! - that's my moto.

#75 zee

You should have seen the Israeli media at the first months of "Intifada, the sequnce".

At first they were all so shocked that they actually asked some difficult questions, one of the Arab MKs (Ahmed Tibi, former advisor of Yasser Arafat for Israeli metters) that was interviewed by phone hung up on them in the middle of the interview, then other Arab MKs started protesting the horrible bias of the Israeli media, saying all the reporters went mad (they were not used to such harsh treatment).

Next thing we knew Saeb Arekat and other PA officials were all over the place, they just spoke directly to the Israeli public without intervention, except for a question here and there to help them make their case. And then Yasser Arafat himself delivered a speech ("interview") on channel 2, reassuring us, among other things, that we'll have the same rights of prayer in Jerusalem as Jews did under the British mandate... (the "interviewer" didn't even notice that).

Finally, the Israeli public got really pissed off! And the media had to attune to it.

#84 Mar

Ever seen Ahmed Yassin (Hamas)? That guy has been at least 100 years old for the last decade or two and he was released from Israeli prison more than a decade ago for "humanitarian reasons" - he was supposed to be dying of a terminal disease, and he's been dying for over a decade now... So don't let that Parkinson fool you.

#68 Mar

Arafat's birth date is disputed. I think that most people think he was born on August 27, 1929 in Cairo, Egypt. That would make him 74, going on 75. He's been around way too long already.

Article in UK Sunday Telegraph quoting Harvard Crimson Feb 18 1970 "John Kerry:A Navy Dove Runs For Congree" Samuel Goldhaber. "he approached his draft board for permission to study for a year in Paris"
Off you go boys!

#67 Ntropy,

Rush has been calling Kerry "Lurch" for months, actually.

;^)

Zee

The news company issues ID cards (press passes) to their reporters. But, these days, anybody could do that - think Matt Drudge. For the regular media, the next step is to take that ID card to the local police station and get a real Press Pass from them. I use to have one of these and it will work most places. The federal government – White House, State, DOD, issues their own passes. How hard they are to get, I don’t know except for the White House which is very hard. Note that even the local police will do a background check on you.

Now, just getting into a press conference doesn’t mean that you will get to ask a question. If they don’t know who you are or whom you are reporting for, you probably have the same chance as a snowball in a Texas summer.

Does anyone know where I can get the Vo Nguyen Giap memoires book in which he make the quote about Kerry? It looks like he had several volumes and the one on Amazon.com doesn't seem germane.

Tuesday, Feb. 10, 2004 10:25 p.m. EST
Gen. Giap: Kerry's Group Helped Hanoi Defeat U.S.

The North Vietnamese general in charge of the military campaign that finally drove the U.S. out of South Vietnam in 1975 credited a group led by Democratic presidential front-runner John Kerry with helping him achieve victory.

In his 1985 memoir about the war, Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap wrote that if it weren't for organizations like Kerry's Vietnam Veterans Against the War, Hanoi would have surrendered to the U.S. - according to Fox News Channel war historian Oliver North.

That's why, he predicted on Tuesday, the Vietnam War issue "is going to blow up in Kerry's face."

"People are going to remember Gen. Giap saying if it weren't for these guys [Kerry's group], we would have lost," North told radio host Sean Hannity.

"The Vietnam Veterans Against the War encouraged people to desert, encouraged people to mutiny - some used what they wrote to justify fragging officers," noted the former Marine lieutenant colonel, who earned two purple hearts in Vietnam.

"John Kerry has blood of American soldiers on his hands," North said.

#92 Dar
The book is called

Okay so Kerry was actually fighting in Vietnam, Bush chickened out thanks to his Daddy's connections. So I guess it's Kerry that must be attacked re Vietnam, not Bush. You know when you guys call the Left loony, I think that's pure transference. And Kerry is no loony liberal, it seems anybody who is not a Republican is automatically a LLL in the eyes of Bushites. Kerry is no Chomsky, not even a Nader. He is fairly mainstream which is pretty much the norm for any Democrat presidential nominee. And only in the eyes of knee-jerk Republicans is liberal a dirty word. And I'm no liberal any more than I'm a conservative.

Seems that anybody who is the pawn of the Christian zealots - well Bush is a Jesus Freak you know or don't you know or care? - is the loony by definition. Oh and has LGF made a mention of Bush the Zealot's stance on gay marriage or let's not let that bother us, maybe you are all homophobes just like the LOONY Jesus Freak Bush? Well you do support Bush no matter what, right?

Oh and let's not let his and his staff's lies about the reason for the invasion of Iraq bother you? OR maybe you all believe all those WMD are in Syria.

Your support for Bush reminds me of the loony Jew-hating left's support for Arafat and the Palestinians: let's not let the facts get in the way of our delusions and let's transfer our own irrationality onto the opposition.

You moan about Kerry talking to the Viet Cong, at least he fought against them, maybe that's why he realised that the war was unwinnable, and negotiation the only solution. Bush is all budy-buddy with the House of Bin Laden ie Saudi Arabia, now that's what I call consorting with the enemy. And since you support Bush you support good relations with Islamic Fascism of the worst kind (Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE) and then you moan about what Kerry says about Iran. BTW last I checked it wasn't the Viet Cong who were responsible for 9-11.

Oh and Bush called Islam the RoP, don't worry about the BBC re Western dhimmitude, worry about that president you suppport, but I guess since you all support him so much, you all consider Islam the RoP, not so? Or do you not let that lie bother you? And since it is a lie (unlike the loony left you all know that) then Bush who you all support, must be a liar, or mabe he's just an idiot? So which is it? I don't reckon on any response on this point. Actually it's both, he's a liar and an idiot. Bush is the most deluded, deceitful, clueless and thuggish president in American history and history will bear this out; his legacy is one that has paved the way for economic ruin, decay of infrastructure, strengthening of religious zealotry and puritanism, erosion of civil liberties and a disastrous war in the Middle-East (you guys seem kind of silent on Iraq these days) at the loss of how much American blood and money? The disaster in Iraq has barely begun, a civil war of terrible savagery will be the legacy of Bush's invasion, and US troops will be forced to withdraw in consequence. Have you all learned nothing from Vietnam?

And you all support Bush; what does that say about you all? Don't worry about the Arabs, when it comes to delusion, brutality and hypocrisy, take a look in the mirror. None of you are any better.

#95

You silly lunatic, favoring over Kerry doesn't mean there aren't areas of disagreement with the policies of his administration.

The difference is that we expect to be able to argue those points if Bush is re-elected but if if Kerry is elected we have cause to worry about our very survival as a nation. History has shown time and again that appeasement never works. Getting kissy-face with Communist is simply appeasement verging on outright surrender.

#81 Buckeye Abroad.

Ya mean my Flintlock is outdated?..:(. Guess that means I can sell my catapult on Ebay, too, huh?

Oh well, the Mrs. has been buggin' me about the space that damn catapult takes up anyway..lol.

#95, neither ect. After reading your post, what comes to mind is that incongruent thought is nurtured by ignorance, stupididy, and lunacy. You have been blessed with the trifecta.

Can we sue Kerry for violation of the Logan Act? That would be just so cool if we could!

Neither Left nor Right?
You are well balanced?Using phrases like Jesus Freak is hate speech and stems from a bigotry of your own which is no different to racism.It is called the Land of the Free,one the tenets is religious toleration.It even tolerates the ignorant opinions of fools!
It is obvious you know nothing about military history,Iraq and Vietnam are not the same,the US did not invade North Vietnam.There is no immense Soviet supply effort,there is no Iraqi regular army.Repeat to yourself,Iraq hasn't got a jungle.The US is a volunteer force it is not full of unmotivated conscripts.I could go on but it is way past your bedtime.

Well, at least there was only one slander on Bush from a LLL. Its really sad that these people don't look at the facts, but since most of them stay as far from the military as possible, they haven't a clue. Here's how I feel about that disgusting slander.

As a former aviation reservist who did go to Vietnam, I *know* that Bush (a)didn't take the easy way out, and (b)didn't need his father's clout to get into the TANG, since they were actively recruiting fighter pilots (which was a much longer committment than the normal 6 month National Guard active duty time), and (c)when Bush joined, the TANG was fighting in Vietnam.

Meanwhile, I am hoping to see confirmation of the Kerry Met with the VC story. I have a site, Veterans Against Kerry that can always use more ammunition.

#95 neither left nor right

Okay so Kerry was actually fighting in Vietnam,

Yeah, he served in this manner and in this way. And I linked to Kerry the war hero here.

And Kerry is no loony liberal,

No? Gee, Town Hall quoting The Federalist seems to have some evidence to the contrary.

Kerry, the self-described moderate whose rise to political power began under the tutelage of Teddy Kennedy, was recently named "Most Liberal Senator" by the National Journal, with a composite score of 96.5.

Apparently Kerry has been an über lib for years. Don't believe me? Maybe you could check here too?

Bush the Zealot's stance on gay marriage

We all know how much more this is compared to the Wa on Terror but hey! this Jesus Freak will offer these ideas for you. Awww sorry - guess that's too much zealotry for you huh?

Oh and let's not let his and his staff's lies about the reason for the invasion of Iraq bother you? OR maybe you all believe all those WMD are in Syria.

Or maybe any one of almost a dozen other reasons. Read a little Victor Davis Hanson if you will or perhaps you might try here.

You moan about Kerry talking to the Viet Cong, at least he fought against them, maybe that's why he realised that the war was unwinnable, and negotiation the only solution.

Fine except for the fact that Kerry wasn't aiming for negotiation but complete capitulation. Fine except for a little matter of his fighting harder against the war than he did for it. But I've already given you links above for that.

Bush is all budy-buddy with the House of Bin Laden ie Saudi Arabia, now that's what I call consorting with the enemy. And since you support Bush you support good relations with Islamic Fascism of the worst kind (Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE) and then you moan about what Kerry says about Iran. BTW last I checked it wasn't the Viet Cong who were responsible for 9-11.

And the last I checked, all American troops were leaving Saudi Arabia. Seems everything is moving forward as planned. Kinda hard to disengage a several billion dollar enterprise over night don't you think?

Oh and Bush called Islam the RoP, don't worry about the BBC re Western dhimmitude, worry about that president you suppport, but I guess since you all support him so much, you all consider Islam the RoP, not so?

Politics but really - Bush has been roundly criticized for saying that too. Check the archives of LGF and you'll see it plain as day. Ohhh, but that would pop your self-righteous little bubble wouldn't it? The illusion you've formed might have truth intrude upon it a bit, right?

his legacy is one that has paved the way for economic ruin, decay of infrastructure, strengthening of religious zealotry and puritanism, erosion of civil liberties and a disastrous war in the Middle-East (you guys seem kind of silent on Iraq these days)

Can you provide links or quotes for ANY of that drivel? Economy? Jobs weak but strengthening, everything else looking great. Check the market. Decay of infrastructure? Nahh that was Clinton's job. Oh and did he ever do it well. A return of some semblance of morality? Doesn't bother me in the least. Disastrous war in the Middle East? Maybe for an el cubo chicken little such as yourself. Hmmm Iraq. Seems loss of American lives has fallen to a trickle since the capture of Hussein. Apparently you don't feel that Democracy or a Republic is something worth fighting for.

For the record, Bush is far from perfect. Just one example is his pandering for the Hispanic vote with his immigration stand. But given the choice between Bush and Kerry? I'll certainly take Bush over Waffles any day.