They're so parasitic they have to steal our conspiracy theories!

Well, somewhere on here I read that OBL, head Splodeydope* extraordinaire, stated that al-Quaida was going to target America, Jews, and Masons.

So, am I surprised that it happens?

Unfortunately, no.

/s/

Lysander

* Heads of Organizations of Peace™ are expempted from 'sploding, only exhorting it in their followers.

LOL evariste !

(heheh, I was trying for back-to-back firsts, but oh well :) )

/s/

Lysander

I didn't have time or the inclination to read the site but it's so bizarre it seems like satire. With these people you can't tell the difference sometimes. Oh well, this should keep the conspiracy theorists happy.

This is from the site:

"COCA-COLA : This is the most commonly used cold drinks in the world. If you ever see coca-cola written in Mirror Image you just might notice with a thorough observation that it says "LA MAKKAH, LA MUHAMMAD", (meaning no Makkah, no Muhammad) in Arabic, This is another freemasonic work. "

Looks like they stole most of it from Lyndon LaRouche's site.

What I gleaned from that torturous reading of history is that they hate Masons for the same irrational reason they hate Jews: because as a group Masons are small enough--and different enough--to serve as a scapegoat for Muslim problems.

evariste (#1):

They're so parasitic they have to steal our conspiracy theories!

Exactly. "Judeo-masonic conspiracy" is one of the central staples of, for example, Russian fascism.

Not exactly sure what Masons are (religious affiliation, social club, civic club?), but I know George H.W. Bush is one. Maybe GWB.

Ack brain hurts...read too much of that page...

must help me...

Can people really be this #$@$ dumb???

dont answer I know

...

Sigh

OT - kind of. . .
"Man shot to death in club's ritual"
"...A Medford man was arraigned this afternoon in connection with a shooting at a Masonic temple..."
At Newsday

#8 Lively

Neither were. The last two Presidents that were Masons were Ford and Truman.

/s/

Lysander

"There is no doubt in my mind that Masonry is the cornerstone of America."
Dave Thomas
Founder of Wendy's International

Oh my G-d!

Bwaaahhahahahaaahaaa!!!

I guess there is no word for parody in Arabic:

[Link: www.geocities.com...]

Matt Groening the creator of the most famous cartoons The Simpsons is a self confessed anarchist. . . However, what is especially worrying is the masonic undertone in one episode in particular. The father of the family "Homer Simpson" get obsessed by a group of people known as "Stone Cutters" or should they be called the Freemasons. Upon joining the group, his fellow members find a birthmark on him, the mark which makes the rest of the group declare him to be the chosen one. So goes on to say: "I always wondered if there was a god. And now I know. There is, and its me."

If Islam goes after the Masons, does that mean Jews won't killed anymore?

Just wondering.

I found this little quote quite intriguing...

The Jews, the Christians, the Atheists and Secularist, the Munafiqeen, the whole of Kuffaar shall fall under the banner of the Anti-Christ, against Islam.

Link

Is this particular writer 'predicting' a war between us & them?

Is there any group that the RoP(tm) CoD does like (when their members are still breathing that is)?

From the same link I posted in #14

DAJJAL will emerge from a place between Syria and Iraq, and his emergence will become known when he is in Isfahaan at a place called Judea (Yahudea). He will be of Jewish origin. He will have caused his Jewish parents much distress and pain. The Jews will accept him as ‘ The Messiah’ and become his main followers. He will also have a great number of women followers as well. The entire secular world (Jews/Freemasons, Atheist, Christians, Hindus Etc.) shall unite under the banner of the Anti-Christ against Islam. Islam will be the only force standing between him and the total world domination.

Sweet!!!

Hey Charles,
Why not post the .gif for the LFG Pyramid that PDM worked up :) it's only fitting.

If you dont have it, I do and can provide it via email.

I always thought the Masons were a bunch of old guys driving around in RV's. But now I say, sign me up!

My oh my. Probably the craziest rant ever- didn't read
too closely though(visions of dung coming thru the
screen and plopping on my keyboard). Didn't see any
thing about Pat Buchanan though. What's a conspiracy
theory without Crazy Patrick?

Yikes! The Masons? Just wait 'till they learn about "Skull and Bones".

Masonic symbol that make Islamofascists crazy

You also should check out what this site says about the Jews. If you scroll down (past the radio interview with Noam Chomsky) you strike "gold:" an abridgement of Henry Ford's International Jew from the old Dearborn Independent.

[Link: www.allaahuakbar.net...]

Ford's anti-Semitism still flourishes. The Ford foundation still funds anti-Semitism by, for example, financing the recent hate-fest in Durban, South Africa.

Well, Marsha and Jackie aren't very fond of them, either.

#14 AG in Houston

If Islam goes after the Masons, does that mean Jews won't killed anymore?

Nah. Just a temporary reprieve: I guess Jews have become a somewhat difficult target, so for the time being, they've decided to go after old guys with funny aprons.

What an unintentionally hilarious page. My favorite is the part about Matt Growning (sic) indoctrinating us all through his children's cartoon the Simpsons. Anyone who thinks the "Stonecutters" episode is some kind of attempt to indoctrinate us all with masonic beliefs needs to look up satire, parody, and "moronic jackass" in the dictionary.

I've always seen these wahabbist freaks ranting about Masons, and how they control the world. Nice to see all of that crackpot theory conveniently summarized for us in one place.

On a related note, I think the most misunderstood and regrettable quotes of the past 100 years has to be George Bush's "new world order". Everyone from the KKK, UN black helicopters loons, muslim radicals, militia types, loony far left worker's parties, and who knows who else has grabbed onto this quote and used it to explain all of their jackball theories.

The Illuminati rule!

regarding the Allahuakbar site linked above, I especially liked the flashing red light that marked"sign up here" area. Also the so-called magic that the jews practiced and brought out of egypt...Cracked brains...this is your brain..this is your brain on Islam
{picture cracked open eggs.
Maybe the islams don't like the free mason's because it is the FREE masons.

Damn, I didn't know any of that stuff. Live and learn...

#6

What I gleaned from that torturous reading of history is that they hate Masons for the same irrational reason they hate Jews: because as a group Masons are small enough--and different enough--to serve as a scapegoat for Muslim problems.

Well, it seems that the Middle Easterners have caught on the Mason hating bandwagon a little too late. They are very active in Europe and America, mainly because it started as a mystical Christian underground movement but it became very political later on. It is not as prominent in the Middle East because it has a smaller Christian population. Most of the writings of the Masonic fathers declare an end to the existing order (order out of chaos) and setting up a new world order. It's far more incriminating than most of what the jihadi minded scholars spew. I'm no conspiracist theorist but the Masons have been linked to revolutions and other subversove movements in order to gain more political power. The Catholic Church also took an official stance on Masonry saying that you can't be a Catholic and a Mason. What I'm trying to say is that Freemasonry is a sketchy organization at the very least. They do not have the power that conspiracist whackos like David Icke think they do, but I wouldn't call them blameless either. Especially since whenever an ex-Mason writes an anti-Masonic book, he suddenly "disappears". Jew hatred on the other hand can be found in the Quran and various Hadith, so you can find scriptural support for that. But most Muslims with an ounce of common sense will try to look at it contextually instead of blaming it all on the Jews. The same thing can be said with Christians and the New Testament. There's Jew hatred in there as well, but most Christians look at it contextually and REALIZE that it doesn't embody all of the Jews. However, that still doesn't excuse the vehement hatred towards Israel and the Zionists (which often gets blurred with "Jews" and is sometimes used as a codeword for Jews).

#14 & #24

The Russians claimed that in the Protocols of Zion, that the Jews controlled the masons. That is, "the elders". So most likely the Muslim radicals will STILL blame the Jews and just consider Freemasonry a Jewish invention like Shiism. It's ironic considering that for the longest time, Jews could not join the Freemasons because they had to swear on the New Testament.

#30 Igor,

No most likely about it. That is what they propagate. People should know, this has been extremely widely propagated for a very long time and thoroughly underpins the mindset of western jihadis. These theories to my knowledge have been circulated from ordinary madrassahs amongst youth for several years.

FYI, the islamoheresies listed on the right of the webpage reveal something peculiar to islam. All muslims are required to live according to the perverse sunna (example) of the pedophile bandit who founded the cult. Contrary conduct, or religious practice, is deemed "bidah" (innovation), which is punishable by extermination. With that in mind, given that the sects of islam are ALL under koranic obligation to obliterate members of all the other sects, is there a single sect that is duty bound to commit genocide against less than 50% of the others? No! None of the largest Sunni and Shiite sects - Wahabi, Ikhwani, Jamaat-Tablighi, Alevi, Ahmadiyyah, Breslevi, Sufi, Ismaeli, Deobandi, Nadlatuli, etc - controls over 20% of muslims. Ergo: AT THE VERY LEAST, ANY MUSLIM YOU SEE ON THE STREET IS OBLIGED TO MURDER 80% OR MORE OF HIS FELLOW MUSLIMS, OR IN DEMOGRAPHIC TERMS: 1,040,000,000 PEOPLE. Even Hitler didn't have that agenda.

Why aren't muslims doing us a favor and killing each other? They are to a small degree. A Deobandi terrorist group - Sipah-e-Sahaba - has been murdering Shiites in Pakistan for the past 10 years. Wahabi terrorists are slaughtering Shiites in Iraq, and Lashkar-e-Taiba are slaughtering Sunnis in Afghanistan.

Why do the Wahabis permit their genocide targets to attend pilgrimage in unholy Mecca? The phony prophet predicted that his cult would split into sects, until the end-of-days. Therefore the Saudi entity allows any self-proclaimed muslim - except Ahmadiyyahs - to attend haj, as long as they observe protocol.

ISLAM = GENOCIDE STEW

#13 Dom,

Yeah, you're right. And the fact that there is scriptural evidence for the "depravity" of the Jews in the Quran and Hadith. The Wahhabis can use this to their to make their case more effective. Masonry is relatively knew and corrupt and following the Wahhabi Islamist interpretation, whatever is corrupt has its origins with the Jews. Picking up where the Russians left off...

Interestengly I just finished reading The Davinci Code..

Muslims hate freemasons. no surprise. Someone should hurry up and invent a water engine so these people can become irrelevant.

I got as far as "NAPHTHA, the North American Free Trade Agreement" before my eyes rolled too far back in my head to continue. Are we sure that page isn't a hack?

#32 Camel Prophet

Just because it's in the Hadith does not mean it is widely practiced. In Islam there is also ijtihad which allows for interpretation (usually to meet the cultural needs of non-Arab Muslims). Not everything is biddah. Also there is good biddah (like celebrating the new year and the Prophet's birthday) and bad biddah. So it's not all cut and dry. And really, the ONLY people that take that stuff seriously is the murderous terrorist organizations and their lapdogs, the elite scholars. That's it.

And the Wahhabis are just the worst sect Islam has ever produced. Very Arab-o-centric and racist too. They are TRULY stuck in the 9th century and don't see a problem with it.

So far, everyone appears to be missing one vital bit of information. Kamal Ataturk, who disassembled the Caliphate, was a Freemason. If you will read the HAMAS charter, you will discover that they accuse the fraternity of being part of the "world Jewish conspiracy".

Freemasonry requires belief in a supreme being. There are Lodges with the Koran on the altar, as well as Lodges with the Torah and the King James Version.

The fraternity is a fraternity, not a political club. Politics & religion are not discussed in the Lodge. Neither is there any central authority in the fraternity. Each state and each nation has its own Grand Lodge, and, within the ancient landmarks of the craft, do as they please.

Another fallacy in that site: membership by invitation only. No Mason can invite anyone to join the fraternity. You must ask for a petition, be investigated and voted upon.

As a Past Master, presently Junior Warden of a Lodge, and fluent in the ritual & lectures, I can tell you that Freemasonry is apolitical, not conspiritorial, and not a threat to society or to good government.

Jubelum #37:
I know some Masons, and I know that they join for one overriding purpose: male bonding. I believe that some of the group secrecy, which is probably sustained only to annoy nosey outsiders, originally hid secular and scientific interests that challenged clerical authorities. On that regard, even if all they do today is debate local city planning, Freemasons were once trend-setters.

#37 Jubelum

Thanks for the Ataturk info, didn't know that. People don't have a problem with the lower rank masons, it's really moreso the higher ups the 33rd degree and whatnot who flaunt their power or goals in their writings (Pike). Whether they are true or not is another story, but it's hard to blame people for getting suspicious. Especially with the whole secrecy surrounding the order and what _can_ happen to those who divulge those secrets or slander the order.

I for one welcome our new masonic overlords :-)

Maybe there are no Arabs. Maybe it's Jews in drag, masquerading as Arabs, doing goofy things, spouting off LSD lunacy, riding asses, sitting in the shadows of the crumbling pyramids...less advanced than their builders...all to distract the world from their true agenda. To corner the market on cheese cake.

I believe that's true. Them crafty Jews created the illusion of a few hundred million Clem Kadiddlehoppers to distract the World with their doofus buffoonery whilst all of the good desserts were scooped up in a kind of huge Zionist dragnet behind the veil afforded them by the din of complaining hordes.

Num num...creme de menthe cheesecake with chocolate chips and whipped cream topping...all for us.

I had a Pakistani friend who told me that his parents wouldn't let him watch the Simpsons. He didn't say anything about it being because of the Masons. He couldn't watch because either Matt Groening is a Jew or the producers are. I'm not sure if either Matt or the producers are Jewish but that was the reason I got from him.

NAPHTHA? Omigoodness.
Didn't get that far, I quit reading after they called them "the Templers" for the fourth time.
Don't think this is a parody, but a real site by a non-native English speaker.

Oh...and it's all somebody else's fault.

At least they didn't misspell it NAMBLA.

"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-incurred immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one's own understanding without direction from another. This immaturity is self-incurred if its cause is not lack of understanding, but lack of resolve and courage to use it without another's guidance. Sapere aude! Dare to know! This is the motto of Enlightenment"

Immanuel Kant, "What is Enlightenment?' 1784

Those were the days; we thought they'd never end. But oh boy, did they ever.

Masons, mullahs, Oprah, gurus, Chopra., leaders, Billy Graham,messiahs, New Age...anything, anyone but "one's own understanding."

For those of you who enjoyed this little peek into the dark recesses of the illuminati, I recommend you read Umberto Eco's Foucult's Pendulum. A great novel which, like this wingnut website, attempts to tie all conspiracy theories re: the Masons, the Templars, and the Rosicrucians into a global theory. Unlike the Davinci Code (mentioned above), it doesn't posit that these theories are true, just that you can string any series of events together into some whacked-out theory which still remains believeable. There's much more to the novel (and much more to Eco), I would recommend it.

And it was great to read this page and be familiar with EVERY SINGLE ONE of the assertions/allegations here (well, except for the more modern American pop-cultural references).

And Chekthemolay, who was burned at the stake, is actually Jacques De Molay. Though I don't think that accuracy or spelling is one of the stronger points of this site

"AIR" was written in such a way on the backside of the shoe, if observed closely looks as "Allah" written in Arabic.

It's also on the sole of the shoe. The ultimate insult to an Arab Mohomeddan.

And you've gotta love the seething over the Nike ad with the Mohomeddans cooling their blunt ends and bowing down to that satanic infidel woman!

Gee, these guys would have really not liked my dad, o'b'm'. He was a Jewanda Mason, maybe even a Past Master. We used to go the Perfection Lodge (a mostly Jewish lodge) picnics every summer.

I once asked my father what the Masonic secrets were. He smiled and told me that I'd have to join to find out. He was serious, too.

I've been called a Free Mason on numerous occasions while engaged in unfriendly conversations with Moslems while online, and even a "Three Mason" a few times by (presumably) younger ones.

Threemason! LOL!

Threemason!

Well, they've got a real beef with the doctrine of the Holy Trinity, so perhaps they are talking about an evil infidel Christian Freemason!

Truth is stranger than fiction...

Well in some sense the Scottish Freemasons have a strong affiliation with Egypt and the Pharrohs. This fellah by the name of Nial who was a Celt, and more specifically the forebearer of the Gaels was invited to Egypt by the Pharroh because of his command of languages. In any event the story goes that one of his offspring married the Pharroh's daughter Scota, who by the way was the one who found Moses in the bull rushes along the shores of the Nile.
The Nile having taken it's name from this Fellah "Nial". In any event Scota had a son by the name of Gaedal Glas who came to be cured of a snake bite by none other than Moses. In any event time went by and Nial's tribe began to fall out of favour in the land of the Pharrohs at about the same time that the Israelites were making their escape across the Red Sea. The story goes that the "Gaels" and the Israelites buddied up for a while at the time of the Israelites flight from Egypt.
Most people know of the story of the Israelites but the Gaels is more obscure. The Gaels made their way to Crete and subsequently to Spain where they ruled as the Milysians. In any event they made their way to Ireland where they encountered the Firbogs who they informed that they were the new ruling party. The Firbogs (escaped slaves originating in Greece) got their asses kicked by the Nials/Gaels and became a secondary entity. Well the Nials went on to become the longest ruling Dynasty in recorded history. Their name took on the modern form of O'Neil, "O" indicating "son of" while Neil derrived from Nial. In any event they were the high kings of Ireland for 2000 years. So what does this have to do with Scotland? Well the Gaels were known as the Scoti (remember Scota) and Ireland was actually known as the land of the Scoti. These Gaelish people actually migrated into Scotland and became what are the modern day Scots, as distict from the Pictish tribes that were there before them. So we have these people living in Scotland that are actually Gaelic who trace their roots back to the time of the pharrohs and this guy who must of been damn important to have married the Pharroh's daughter. Well here is where I will leave you with a little reading from a Masonic site on the web...
[Link: freemasonry.bcy.ca...]

It's all very thought provoking.

Igor -- anything above the Third Degree is *not* classic Freemasonry, but one of the 'appendant orders' -- optional progressions along a certain teaching. In the US, there are two principal such orders: The Scottish Rite and the York Rite. Any member of those organizations was first a Mason, but not all Masons go on to the higher degrees.

[The same is true of the Shrine, which are the guys with the funnycars and motorcycles. They're an appendant order with some additional teaching, and a heavier emphasis on socializing]

Having worked for several years in the Grand Lodge and seeing plenty of these "Secret Masters of the World," I can assure you that Jubelum speaks truthfully: Masonry is not a threat to the social or political order as we know it; it's a service fraternity with a long (and occasionally colorful) past.

Disclaimer : I didn't just work at the Grand Lodge (of Florida), I'm also a Past Master of my Lodge.

For a few years during the early 80s, when I was in my early 20s, I had the unspeakable pleasure of attending my best friend's father's lodge's annual Stag Weekend up in the Catkills, at The Pines Hotel, IIRC.
For three glorious days each summer, we'd smoke as much pot as possible, drink as much beer as possible, attempt to sleep (at least once) with every one of the dozen or so hookers on the premises for the weekend, and spend the rest of the time laughing about it, playing poker with the alta kakas (who apparently had no koyach for the girls), eating three square kosher meals a day, and enjoying the swimming pool. I remember that Walter Matthau's brother was up there for a couple of them, and he was the spitting image of his famous brother, although much smaller. I recall one year we were still there when the hotel prematurely, at least for me, switched back to it's regular guest clientele while I was diving naked off the high board. A family at poolside was understandably horrified at my flapping free member, and shortly thereafter an irate, matronly manager appeared, shouting at me to get my clothes on and get the hell out of their hotel. I'll always smile now at the mention of Masonic lodges. God, those were halcyon days. Sorry, just reminiscing under an assumed name. No need to use my regular posting name for this story.

/WTMI

I like Pope Erwin II and Pope Claymont V.

From the shadows they have engineered every major war, revolution and recession. They control everything you read, everything you hear and everything you see.

So if that's true, how am I reading your bullshit?

However the origins of this Global plan were not created in the offices of the White House. In reality their roots lay in another war this time the year is 1095 and the place Claremont, France.

Oh that's right. I forgot you guys were stuck in the middles ages somewhere...Some day I'd like to welcome you to the 21st century.

In the name of the Cross women were raped and murdered, children were put to the sword and it is said that the blood ran in the streets knee high to the horses.

I like how you bolded that one...pretty eye-catching...I bet you generate a lotta hate with that one. (cock-sucker)

They learned the secret arts of the Kabala and ancient form of Jewish magic along with its dark rights and rituals

Oh that's right, I forgot about all the black magicians running around in go-carts...or is that the shriners? I forget how they rule the world.

The Scotland's hope of independence has died with the death of William Wallace.

You have a serious paucity of knowledge regarding Scotland's history...Yes, you'll have to look up "paucity"

In 1603 the death of Queen Elizabeth I left England without an heir to the throne by virtue of decent King James V of Scotland became King of England in doing so Scotland and England joined to form a new kingdom and the power that the Templers held over Scotland spread to give them a firm grip on the whole of Great Britain.

hmmm...as a descendant of one of those regents, I'd like to know where the hell all my power is, and more importantly, where's my check?!

I'm gonna skip reading the rest actually...have to get back to my scheming.

Some day I'd like to welcome you to the 21st century.

Or the 17th, anyway. Even the 15th would be an improvement.

Meanwhile, meet his holiness, the Pope:

[Link: popemichael.homestead.com...]

E-mail the Pope:

[Link: www.popemichael1.homestead.com...]

Your forgetting the earlier origins of Masons as illustrated by the Loyal order of Water Buffalo , mostly lost to history except for the Hanna Barbera scrolls.
The word Mason being derived from the ancient word Bison, which translates to buffalo in English(the animal, not the city).
As any prehistorian worth a grain of salt can tell you, the masonic tradition can be traced back to when the first proto man/apes first bellied up to a campfire to warm their butts, and pick each others nits.

You might laugh it off, but the Catholic Church has blanket excommunion for only two kinds of people: a) Those who colaborate with an abortion, and b) Masons. Now, you go and laugh off Catholicism and Islam.

I read the whole thing! I think I'm still sane! A woo hoo me!

Sudden urge to drink coke, buy a pair of nikes and watch the Simpsons. - But that's no different to any other day...

I was actually dissappointed. No mention of B!lderburg, R3ptilian bloodlines, POTEOZ etc.

How can you hate the Simpsons? How can you believe an anarchist would work for 'International Order'. How can you be waiting for a one-eyed man (?) to take over the world. Jimmy Carter initiated a program to give Africa AIDS? But whaddjya know it is all about the oil...

This is because oil is crucial to maintaining their world order without the wealth from oil Muslim economies would fall and without the puppet governments and leaders such as Saddam Hussein the Free Masonic West could not control the Muslim nation.

Without the division of wealth and false leadership of these nations nothing would prevent the purest Islamic movements from coming to power. Poverty creates unity and Muslim unity is the greatest fear to the fore runners of the Dajjal.

Loonytoones

Now I know why the Muslim world is so highly strung (from the same website) ...
Ruling on masturbation and how to cure the problem

Do you ever get the feeling that if you don't whack off, you're gonna explode? Well, it happens all the time in Islam!

#62

Tell me about it. Whenever the Iman starts ranting about those 72 virgins, I reach for my zipper.

#62- I noticed some major weirdness- stay away from
temptation but if all else fails- DO NOT spend the nite
alone. That's easy for him to say but I'm fresh out of
captives and slave women.

No wonder the French have such warm and fuzzy feelings for the Islamics. They too share the francmacons are out to get us theory of world history. I loved the bit about Mozart's symphony as well as all the spelling errors - Growning for the Simpsons creator etc. But they left out a biggie. The South American liberators, Bolivar, O'Higgins and San Martin were all freemasons.

Kids just parse the initial sentence:

August the 2nd 1990 Saddam Hussain's forces crashed the defenses of oil rich Kuwait in fear of an Iraqi invasion into Saudi Arabia.

What does the mean? The Saudis were afraid, the Kuwaitis?

For you conspiracy buffs of secret societies: in the mid seventies my school's music teacher inducted me into a secret society to help mankind achieve word peace.

Sadonna no huehuetenango!

From the shadows they have engineered every major war, revolution and recession. They control everything you read, everything you hear and everything you see. They have managed to indoctrinate an entire populace to their way of thinking and have infiltrated key positions in places of authority and it is from the shadows they have created a new political order, a new economic order and most sinister a new religious order. Their ultimate aim is total global domination and they will stop at nothing to reach their goal.

Sounds like Islam to me!

#29 igor

I'm no conspiracist theorist but the Masons have been linked to revolutions and other subversove movements in order to gain more political power.

You mean like Brother Washington? ;)

What I'm trying to say is that Freemasonry is a sketchy organization at the very least.

So I won't find a Grand Lodge website anywhere on the web... oops, I guess we didn't keep that secret enough! ;)

Seriously, there are groups that call themselves Masonic, but are considered to be irregular and clandestine - clandestine not meaning hidden, but without a charter from a legally constituted Grand Lodge. Some are moving towards recognition, but a significant number seem to be cults of personality. Rare (but it happens) are those that someone will join thinking they are under a regular (or PH) Grand Lodge, only to later find that they joined one of these peripheral bodies. Are those 'sketchy'? For the most part, yes. Is Masonry 'sketchy'? No.

Especially since whenever an ex-Mason writes an anti-Masonic book, he suddenly "disappears".

Anti-Masons disappearing? I wish! I have run across a few of 'em online, and not only are these individuals antimasonic, but are well along the path of antisemitism as well. "Scratch and Anti-mason and find and anti-semite" is a quote I've heard long ago. Most Antis (not necessarily ex- but just anti-) also seem to have some form of chemical imbalance, and then there are those who claim to have been Brothers, but no Grand Lodge can find evidence of them on the rolls. The typic path of one who becomes an ex-mason is one who has found a form of religion that precludes tolerance. (Tolerance doesn't mean acceptance with open arms, however.)

/s/

Bro. Lysander

Looks like a typical "anti" screed -- anti-everything but their own brand of fundamentalism. No thinking allowed.

Well, a grand phooey on 'em! My father is a Mason, I'm a former Rainbow Girl (the Masonic order for girls; women belong to the Order of the Eastern Star). As a child I used to read the newsletters from my dad's Masonic lodge. If there were secret messages hidden somewhere between the accounts of community-service activity and member updates, well, I guess they just got by me.

I believe the Nazis were against the Masons as well, as are many whacked-out fundamentalist types today. Possibly white supremacists too. Frankly, I've never understood why they single out the Masons. What's there to hate about such a harmless group of people? It reminds me of the WWII-era joke about the bicyclists and the Jews.

This is hilarious - love the stuff about stuff being spelt backwards. Reminds me of a spoof on the Beatles called the Rutles where they did a great mickey-take of conspiracy theories.

Hang on - these guys are serious??

So who rules the world the Jews or the Masons?

I thought it was the Jews, but now I'm confused!

Have ZOG got a rival? MOG?

Anyone know what time they hold their meetings?

Can you become a Jewish Free Mason? Guess you would be in a whole world o shit with the islamoids!

One quick question.

If I am a member of the Ruling Class, why am I paying $2.25 a gallon for gas?

another thing.
The only truth in that article was the line about media being used as a weapon.

For honest answers about Freemasonry

I can just see it now!

What a great parade!

It will feature a line of screaming mullahs battling a line of shriners wearing Fez hats and driving miniature automobiles.

The kids will love it.

Who controls the British pound?

Who keeps the metric system down?

We do.

We do.

In 1314 the Templers allied with Robert the Bruce and his army took to the field of Ballack Burn in the long awaited showdown with the English.

Never mind the "Ballacks", here's Bannockburn. First time I've seen the Scottish victory credited to the Freemasons. But were the Stonecutters also involved? "Who makes the English lose their nerve?/ WE DO!! WE DO!!"

Hmmm. . .

The aticle about the Masons is drivel, of course! (I can make up better and funnier conspiracy theories any day of the week!) The part about the Knights Templars does get me wondering though. . . .

The Assassins of Alamut, led by the Old Man of the Mountain, and the Knights Templars, apparently, had some sort of feud going on! Many different theories and causes are given for this, but---whatever the cause, The Old Man disliked them, and considered them a threat to many of his schemes for the ME at the time. Seems that dislike has been carried through to this very day! They've got long memories, those guys. Is this all about some sort of grudge match between the Warrior monks, and the Assassins? I've always believed, by the way, that there's a much closer link between the Assassins of Alamut, and modern day terrorists then most people realize.

P.S. And I'd really like to address that bit about Crusaders wading, "In Blood up to the knee!" Yes, the Crusaders killed a lot of people when they stormed Jerusalem, and, yes, that was bad---but blood to the knees, even from LOTS of people, is physically impossible in such a setting.

P.P.S. Whether or not there is any real connection between the Templars and the Masons, if the heirs of Alamut see them as being a continuation of the old military order, then they're going to hate them. (Of course, these guys don't seem to like anything very much.)

Did you see this link on that page on how do deal with Jews?

[Link: www.allaahuakbar.net...]

I especially loved number 6

6. Don't forget to use Islamic communication skills

lol

# 60 Peter

There's a bunch of things to laugh at about the Catholic Church and Islam, but most every late night talk show host is doing those jokes.

This Free Mason thing is new to me, so I feel inspired.
The notion that the Nile river is named after a wayward linguist from Ireland whose son married the daughter of the Pharroh, who rescued Moses from the river. Then they named the country after the girl. Wow!

Lucky her name wasn't Nefertitti. Cause then you would be a Nefer from Neferland. Or maybe a Titti from Tittiland.

So did the Masons carve the Ten Commandments in a secret arrangement with God? Did Masons do the contracting on Noah's ark(Lord knows you need skilled craftsmen to build an Ocean Liner like that).

Mmmmkay... so what's the Islamic party line on the Lions, and the Rotary Club? What about the Junior League?

#72 SiliconValleyMason

If I am a member of the Ruling Class, why am I paying $2.25 a gallon for gas?

Hey, you are doing better than us Zionist conspirators, we have to pay £4.00 = $6.00 or so per gallon here in the UK!

hmmm, I think we need a rethink of our plans, we obviously don't have enough people under our influence yet. We are getting out witted by the free masons!

This website is hosted out of India and as such is run by people for whom English is not a first language, which no doubt explains the spelling howlers. It is obviously a Wahhabi site, and the first part of the article seems to be taken straight out of a tape called "From the Shadows".

About comment #32: several of the sects you mention are not Sunni or Shi'ite. Ahmediyya in particular are not Muslims, since they reject fundamental doctrines in Islam. The craziness of their founder is well-documented. The Alevis who rule Syria are also not really Muslims. Their religion bears very little resemblance to Islam.

Your ridiculous comment about us being required to kill 80% of those who call themselves Muslims is simply untrue. Unless they are on the battlefield or defending themselves or their family from criminals, Muslims are not required to kill anyone. There are people who call themselves shaikhs who say that certain Muslims better deserve to be killed than Christians. They are dismissed as cranks and extremists which is what they are.

I don't find the Wahhabis to be racist although I'm not a Wahhabi and I dislike the sect intensely. Gulf Arabs are often accused of this but this has to do with Gulfies and not Wahhabis. In London the main pro-Saudi Wahhabi mosque has a large Afro-Carribean convert clientele. There are also a lot of Somalis there too. This group are actually against terrorism, much like a lot of mainstream Muslims. A website linked to this group published a fatwa that a suicide bomber was a suicide, not a martyr, and is in Hell.

The comment about a "pedophile bandit" in comment #32 demonstrates only that the author is an ignoramus. There is some disagreement as to how old A'isha was when she married the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) but there is no record of it raising eyebrows in the community at the time. Age of consent laws in the west are quite a recent innovation, and in the UK the age of consent was 12 until the 19th century. The raising of the age to 16 was to protect girls from prostitution, not early marriage. The age of consent in parts of Europe is still the early teens. By the way, there is no record of A'isha herself protesting about her marriage; she became one of the greatest teachers of Islam to which she was still devoted fifty years later.

Sgt Mom (#79):

Mmmmkay... so what's the Islamic party line on the Lions, and the Rotary Club? What about the Junior League?

I'm not familiar with the "Islamic party" so I can't tell you their line. But in my experience most Muslims regard them with some suspicion. I considered joining the Oddfellows but how can a Muslim join an organisation with a Crusader's shield as its logo?

Suspicion of groups like the Masons isn't limited to Muslims, nor to conspiracy theorists or cranks. A few years ago I remember it being proposed that people declare their Masonic ties when applying for judgeships here in the UK, and a Mason was interviewed on radio defending the movement and opposing the declaration idea. People suspect that they stitch people up and cover up each other's crimes, not that they are some sort of worldwide conspiracy for a world government.

I considered joining the Oddfellows but how can a Muslim join an organisation with a Crusader's shield as its logo?

The same way that a Christian can support Saracens Rugby Football Club. Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot. Muslims have had a massive chip on their shoulder for the last 700 years, whereas Christians have moved on, like the rest of the world.

You seem to suffer from the same jumpiness, Kingstonian.

this isnt a suprise. The west has its share of conspiracy theories about masons (see focaults pendulum, err... the davinci code, etc for the fictional outlets for them) and the templars are everyones favorite subject (hehe)

So why shouldnt the islamizoids have it that way too?

There is so much more to this "conspiracy"... I believe almost every single US president has been a mason - hard to proove positive or negative though ...

#81 82 Kingstonian

'People suspect that they stitch people up and cover up each other's crimes, not that they are some sort of worldwide conspiracy for a world government. '

Yeah! Everyone knows it's the Joos running the worldwide conspiracy, not the Masons!!

Islam seems to have a very wierd penchant for psychological projection of it's own mass neuroses. every time they blame "the Jews" or "the Masons" or "America" of anything, it always appears to be an almost exact mirror image of the very pathological conspiracy-mongering behavior of the Islamists themselves.

Al-Quaida itself is a "conspiracy" by definition.

Although this crap seems beyond parody, it just illustrates the depth of the ignorance we are up against.

It's going to be a long battle.

the islamofascists also hate Rotary Club and Lions Club. See for example, the Hamas Covenant (1988):
[Link: www.yale.edu...]

A few notes on above, esp. to "igor"...

If you're viewing a "32nd degree" Mason as a "higher up" you're wrong. The important degrees are the first three, and there is no degree higher than the 3rd, Master Mason.

So I'm a 3rd degree Mason. Now, how long do you think it might take me, after being raised to the 3rd degree, to achieve, say, the 32nd? Years, maybe?

Nope, just a weekend in San Antonio. Two whole days, with breaks for lunch even!

33rd degree is purely honorary, given on rare occasion to Masons as a "lifetime service" recognition.

bender--No. Only about 12 presidents have been Masons. Slick Willy would've been blackballed.

And Son of a Pythian Night...

While that sounds like incredibly debaucherous fun, I don't think the Pythians are part of Masonry. Not sure on that one, though.

Jolly Roger is right. Appendant degrees add to the first three, but none is higher.

#48, Ron wondered about the 'secrets' .The ritual of making a Mason and the means of recognition are secret. The aims, purpose and tenets of the Fraternity are not. Check any Grand Lodge website.

If you know where to look, the ritual is on the web.
Anyone who wants to join should ask a Brother for a petition.
Lovers of history and interesting reading should do a Google search for Freemasonry in Israel.

Ha! Surely this is a prime example of extracting the Michael?? The sun must have cooked the authors brain or the sand lice must have been eating his armpits.
A quote from the late great Spike Milligan re the Arabs and their propensity to try and steal from the British Army in North Africa during WWII. " Wogs? Just hit hem on the head with a shovel"

#87

Thats because the rotary club and lions are up to their necks in the new world order.

World domination through pancake breakfasts!

(i lurk no more)

HOLY Q'RAP!
That site is unreal. Did anybody see the section about "Am I A Terrorist?". I had to put something on the guestbook for that one, but it wouldn't post for some reason. I guess only the damned can be heard on that site.
The most frquently used "nickname" for Allah should be He Who Points The Finger, since no matter what Islamists are never to blame. Even while condemning SUICIDE BOMBERS WHO TARGET CIVILIANS (they are not martyrs. nobody from another belief system tortured and/or executed them) they still point out how the splodies wouldn't do it if they weren't first oppressed and provoked.
I despise those without the capacity for logical thought.
God help these people that I'm not in charge of all things military, law enforcement, and intel gathering in America, because I actually would be prepared to fight this war the way it needs to be fought. Our country, at least presently, is not (note story on Boston mosque, for example).
Why do we just open the door with a blind eye to this crap, even after 9-11?
Osama Bon Jovi might have started this war, but if we lose it we can thank all of the PC Ivy Leaguers in Cali, Mass, Vermont, NY, Wash, etc.

The same way that a Christian can support Saracens Rugby Football Club. Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot. Muslims have had a massive chip on their shoulder for the last 700 years, whereas Christians have moved on, like the rest of the world.

Well, perhaps most of them don't know what a Saracen is. And in any case, the Saracens RFC are based in Watford and the original Saracens never reached Watford. I'm not sure you will see non-Muslims in south-east Europe calling themselves by names like this. Anyway the Crusaders were world-league war criminals and they boasted about the amount of blood they shed. I'm sure the Jewish folks on this board wouldn't be seen dead under the banner of any of their well-known enemies.

"During the 1980's with the threat of communism taking over central America money was urgently required to finance the rebellion movement against communism and to raise this the CIA allowed drugs to be traded into America. Revelations by the American senator Jack Bloom who was part of an investigatory committee into the matter confirms this. "

No one by the name of Jack Bloom served in the U.S. Senate in the 1980s. Maybe he was a state senator, but why would a state legislature be investigating the CIA?

#82 Kingstonian,

It is overcome by involvement not necessarily in masonry but in society. Find a man who was 'stitched by the freemasons'. If you have no personal experience or an interesting story you have doubts but unfortunately nothing to teach. Politely expressing the doubts to a freemason is of course not slanderous. Any other context for such possibilities, short of your personal experience, is.

#81

re: no record of protest

Forgive me, I'm not attacking Mohammed but your point was inadequate for me given the allegation you referred to. What kind of record would there even possibly be?