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Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 6:04:04 pm PST

My God! George Bush’s new campaign advertisement has a brief shot of a “swarthy-skinned” man who might possibly be construed as “Arab!”

And the ad suggests he might be construed as a ... “terrorist!”

Release the hounds! (Hat tip: NC.)

ANOTHER CAMPAIGN FIRST: Bush’s first round of ads became immediately famous for using images of Ground Zero and a flag-draped body being carried away from the rubble of the World Trade Center.

His newest spot, “100 Days,” might soon become famous for another campaign first. It is the first ad to use the image of a dark-skinned man who is obviously meant to be a terrorist.

The ominous slow-motion footage comes about halfway through the 30-second ad. A female voiceover darkly warns about John Kerry’s agenda, charging, “On the war on terror: weaken the Patriot Act used to arrest terrorists and protect America.” On the left of the screen flash the words “John Kerry’s Plan.” On the bottom a red box warns, “Weaken Fight Against Terrorists.” If you look closely, on the right side of the screen you can see an airplane taking off.

The center of the screen is filled with three different rectangles of slow-motion video. In the top panel travelers at an airport study the arrivals and departures monitor. In the center panel there is a shadowed image of a person wearing a gas mask. And on the bottom there is a close-up of a swarthy, somewhat sinister-looking man with darting eyes who slowly turns toward the camera. He is clearly the terrorist in this scary montage.

UPDATE: Watch the ad here.

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1 evariste  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:07:21pm

Cool. More please.

2 Jaffar abu Grand Vizier  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:07:32pm

Right. Becuase they are as likely to be Swedes.

This is a ballsy ad.

3 RaphDaRussian  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:08:50pm

A man who looks like an Arab portrayed as a terrorist...


SHOCKING!!!

4 NC  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:10:29pm

Did you see the update to TNR's post? James Zogby's already whining for Bush to take it off the air.

5 Jeff S.  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:10:37pm

So what's the problem? A spade is a spade.

6 Nancy  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:10:52pm

And here's an update on the link Release the hounds! Charles gave. The protest has already begun!

UPDATE: James Zogby tells the Asscoiated Press he wants Bush to pull down "100 Days":


James Zogby, president of the Arab American Institute, urged Bush to withdraw one of the new ads because it illustrates the section on terrorism with a picture of an olive-skinned man with bushy eyebrows.

7 scaramouche  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:11:34pm

CAIR is about to go ballistic.

8 Abu McKinney  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:11:36pm

10, 9, 8, 7...seconds until we hear from CAIR?

9 locutus  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:12:23pm

What a racist ad, a new low point for the Republicans. 9-11 could just as easily have been carried out by 19 Amish terrorists.


/any breathing democrat

10 evariste  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:14:13pm

You foreigners, Canadians, tv-free households, etc: Watch the ad. It's pretty good, although I didn't care for the chick's voice. I wish it was Dubya narrating it like in the other new ad.

11 Nancy  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:14:16pm

#4 NC --LOL --you must have been posting at about the same time --yours wasn't there when I typed it in!

I was rather amused that he criticized "olive skin --busy eyebrows" as sterotyping and wouldn't even claim "Arab" looking. Does he think they are the only one's with olive skin and busy eyebrows?

12 scaramouche  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:14:42pm

Funny, you don't look terrorish.

13 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:15:08pm

Actually, he looks lke a Presbyterian.

14 Targetpractice, Much Abu About Nothing  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:15:46pm

Ah hell, the sh*t storm is about to start. And we thought the 9/11 ad raised a ruckus.

15 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:16:20pm

I can feel the seething from here...

16 Abu McKinney  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:16:31pm

I wonder if the ad agency types gave this character a name when they were writing the script for this ad? I'd call him Wallah al-Horten (sorry, that's the best I can do).

17 FH  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:18:06pm

Pretty placid at the moment. Should pick up a bit after the Convention.

18 levi from queens  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:18:40pm

What the heck-- rerun it with a red-headed middle-aged woman carrying a bomb with a lit-fuse.

19 Ray  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:18:42pm

#9 And what would Amish terrorists use? Flying buggies? They're not exactly preaching jihad down on their farms you know.

20 DU Jimbo  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:20:34pm

This ad ain't nuthin' but shit and neither is w. Osama bin Horton won't work - Kerry's a man, not a whining, sniveling half-Democrat, half-Republican political morphodite like Mike "Ain't Got No Guts" Dukakis.

21 Spiny Norman  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:21:39pm

Note to Dubya & the RNC

Do you want to win in November? Four words:

Do. Not. Back. Down.

22 theDevil!  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:22:02pm
23 Spiny Norman  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:24:33pm

Hey yo! Jimbo

Kerry's a man, not a whining, sniveling half-Democrat, half-Republican political morphodite like Mike "Ain't Got No Guts" Dukakis.

You forgot the [sarcasm] tags.

24 WriterMom  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:25:09pm

I can hear it now-something like VtheK's post a few weeks ago...

Blah blah blah discrimination...blah blah blah stereotypes...blah blah blah jihad means inner struggle...blah blah blah Bush is mean...

25 Nancy  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:25:22pm

It just occurred to me, I'll bet the actor is NOT Arabic.

There will be outcry and the "presumption" but I suspect they intentionally used someone NOT Arabic but someone who everyone would "assume" the terrorist was --including all the Arabic organzations.

At least I hope this is true because then it is going to prove that even THEY themselves--"assume" that anyone portrayed as a terrorist is Arabic!

The man could really be just about any nationality and ethnic background --even French!

26 evariste  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:29:36pm

Nancy-a Bush spokesman already mentioned that he is not an Arab actor.

27 Free Speech Is Only For Uber-Libs  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:30:40pm

Kerry said to "bring it on".

Why then does Kerry and his darlings in the media start whining the second Bush turns up the heat?

28 David  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:30:54pm

theDevil!

That is a loony, conspiracy theorist, anti-semitic site. What's funny about it?

29 locutus  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:32:19pm

#19 Ray


Uhm, I was being sarcastic. Everyone knows that there aren't any Amish terrorists.

are there?

well, not yet, anyway.

30 ralph  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:33:28pm

OT Attention shoppers:
Bumper stickers from the Dissident Frogman
Point A:
Collective, albeit temporary answer to the people who emailed me with a question along the line of:
« How/Where can I order your "Vote for Kerry" bumper stickers. »
Practically speaking, these are not bumper stickers yet. I made them as web banners (meaning, without being too technical, that the picture's resolution is not high enough for printing stickers).

But since there seems to be quite a consensus - and a demand - on their natural destination as a car argument ornament, I'm definitely going to produce sticker versions. I'm just a bit short on time currently.

So stick with me (yeah, that's an easy one).

31 h0mi  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:34:29pm

Ok I saw the ad.

I replayed it 3 times.

I saw a picture of a man who looked like he was probably from South Asia, or may have been from the Phillippenes, or possibly (unlikely) a dark skinned hispanic man.

In the upper "video" panel are a departure screen from an airport, the central one shows a person wearing a gas mask, and the bottom picture shows our "arab terrorist" looking the camera in the eye.

Doesn't look like scapegoating to me. And the "arab" didn't look like a terrorist to me, but someone waiting for his flight.

32 David  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:34:48pm

Waiting for Colin Powell to distance himself from the ad...

For some reason I can't open the georgewbush.com site.

...not a whining, sniveling half-Democrat, half-Republican political morphodite ...

WTF???

33 Andjam  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:35:46pm

I wouldn't be surprised if the actor is Jewish (are Shepardic Jews the ones who continued to live in the middle east?)

Then again, they may have intended that the character be perceived as Arabic. One of the actors in "True Lies" had Uzi as part of his name, and he probably played the part of one of the "bad guys".

(While on the subject of uzis, I've heard that various terrorist groups have used uzis, but are they used by Arab/Muslim terrorists?)

34 Free Speech Is Only For Uber-Libs  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:37:16pm

#20

Kerry is a man.

Vote for Kerry - he is a man.

Kerry = man.


Wow! I'm convinced - where do I sign up?

35 JihadThis!  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:38:31pm

#20 DU Bimbo

He's a man alright...and he's got the Botox track marks to prove it!

36 Sydney Carton  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:39:34pm

If Bush had used photos of ACTUAL TERRORISTS, there would STILL be an outcry.

This is nonsense and should appropriately be treated as such.

37 energyforcapital  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:42:22pm

#21 Spiny Norman:

Do. Not. Back. Down.

B.I.N.G.-f*cking-O!

E.F.C.

38 Ms. Andi  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:42:40pm

He looks like Benicio Del Torro

Oh can't wait for C.A.I.R.

39 DU Jimbo  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:43:12pm

Uh, guys...no one cares about the ad.

40 dgd  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:44:56pm

BTW tell zogby to stick it up his *** ***

41 JihadThis!  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:46:36pm

Look at the slightly angled sideburns. A little more meaty face and that guy's a dead ringer for Bobby Bacala from the Sapranos.

42 soy_bomb  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:50:35pm

I can't seem to find the "Arab" in the ad. Where is he? I see a guy that looks sorta Hispanic or Italian.

43 Right Wing Conspirator  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:52:07pm

#17 FH

Pretty placid at the moment.

I think Bob Dole is a spokesman for a product that might help.

ba dum ...ting..


Ohhh, you said 'placid.' My mistake.

44 big L  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:52:55pm

The guy in the ad looks like every other southern califonia man here in Mar 2004.

45 Andyzero  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:53:11pm

Uzi's were invented by Isreal, weren't they?

46 ralph  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:53:23pm
47 MonkeyPants  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:54:14pm
And what would Amish terrorists use?

I think it's called a clop-by shooting.

48 Ken Hahn  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:57:11pm

It's simple. The ad might be effective. The Democrats naturally find some miniscule detail and try to convince people it's racist. Whether it is racist is immaterial. It distracts from the ad's message.

The Democrats would find racist message on cereal boxes if they thought it might help them shore some minority's vote.

49 Engineer  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:57:31pm

#39 DU Jimbo

Methink thou art a general offence, and every man should beat thee. I think thou wast created for men to breathe themselves upon you
50 okimutt  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:58:14pm

#18 Levi from Queens- LOL- Just imagining Lucille Ball
and Desi Arnaz in the airport. Desi always seemed
swarthy on b/w tv reruns.

DU jimbo- Maximum leader Mcaullife asked for it- you
ain't seen nothin yet.(apologies to BTO)

51 Deus ex Macrame  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:58:20pm

I would love it if a Bush spokesperson would reply by saying that the man in the bottom frame is playing the role of Mohammed Atta (or any of the other 9/11 hijackers). What would CAIR do, demand that they hire Bea Arthur for the part?

Sadly, they probably would.

52 FH  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:58:21pm
I think Bob Dole is a spokesman for a product that might help.

ba dum ...ting..


Ohhh, you said 'placid.' My mistake.


ROFL

53 Abu Jimbola  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:58:36pm

Hey... wasn't that guy a gay flight attendant?

54 Darleen  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:58:45pm

There's a great retort to those that immediately claim the guy is Arab and being "unfairly" portrayed as a "terrorist."

"What is wrong with you that you see an olive-skinned brunette and you immediately think, terrorist?"

This is reminscent of those hyper-sensitive types who watched Lord of the Rings and claim the movies are an exercise in white supremacist propaganda.

The whiners are projecting their own racism.

55 El Cid  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 5:00:44pm

#7 scaramouche, 3/11/2004 06:11PM PST.

"CAIR is about to go ballistic."

I would gladly lead an effort to insure this statement.

The U.S. has several unused missiles that would make your words, become reality.

cram the bastards in, and light the candle.

56 Barbara Skolaut  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 5:01:36pm

#22 - That's not fair! What did Gomer Pyle ever do to you? ;-)

57 energyforcapital  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 5:02:43pm

What terrorist?

Where? Behind the hispanic guy looking you in the eye?

No! That's what I'm talking about. He is the hispanic guy looking you in the eye!

You silly sot! I soiled my feigned outrage you got me so scared!...

...


...

58 Heathcliff  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 5:02:50pm

All thinking people should be utterly outraged by the Bush advert with its depiction of a swarthy,Middle Eastern, looking man in the role of potential terrorist. This is racism at its worst.

It would have been far more ... appropriate ...to feature a blonde fair skinned, blue eyed Scandinavian type as such people have figured far more prominently in world terrorist outrages. Who out there could forget that time when a team of Norwegian ice skater-suicide bombers blew up the American Embassy in Oslo to protest American support for the ... I can't remember the cause exactly but the four suicide bombers were Olaf Svenson, Sven Olaffson, Carl Ericsson and Eric Carlsson.

By contrast show me one Middle Eastern country where the US and US policies are not held in rapt adoration.

59 Right Wing Conspirator  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 5:04:40pm

#52 FH

Now, I didn't mess with anyones head about the gender right ? I don't want to start that again.

*btw, anyone see the gals -evariste, RIP Ford, scaramouche, realwest, Jheka, etc...

I haven't seen the dudes around either - zulubaby, quark2, lizzy, WriterMom, Atomic Redneck...

60 Paul  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 5:06:38pm

I am as fair-haired, blue-eyed, and pink skinned as they get, and my parents immigrated from a part of the Near East that we bombed two wars ago (that part of the world has its share of ethnic Germans, but then I have known ethnic Germans as swarthy as any Arab).


Hey, the Democrats could use me as the face of the enemy ("Prescription drug benefit for seniors? My uncle in Belgrade can't even get heat let alone prescription drugs after NATO bombed him back into the Stone Age.")

61 El Cid  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 5:10:20pm

Who gives two shits, what is said of the ad.

The facts are...ONE, it did happen, despite leftist attempts to forget and belittle. Two, 'swarthy' looking men...ARABS, were the terrorists.

zogby and company, instead of bitching, pissing and moaning about racial/ethnic 'profiling', should be grabbing these 'swarthy bastards' and turning them in OR killing the 'swarthy bastards, themselves.

62 wishbone  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 5:10:55pm

Excuse me for this outburst but i've gotta say
"THIS GUYS A FREAKING ITALIAN!!!"
There I said it.

63 Paladin  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 5:13:52pm

Screw the Hounds!!! Release the IBMs!!!

64 Mineta didn't advise on the ad!  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 5:14:42pm

Obviously, it's not Mineta who advised for the ad. He would have put as the terrorist a little white old lady from Iowa armed with a pair of nail-clippers.

65 energyforcapital  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 5:15:22pm

#60 Paul:

I am as fair-haired, blue-eyed, and pink skinned as they get

I'm a-gittin the idea thet you're one of those folks what have visibly describable features.

)...those, uhhh sarcasm thingies(

66 Clinton/Gore turned down Osama  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 5:15:26pm

I'm egyptian, and i'm not offended at all. He could be one of the Puerto Rican terrorists Clinton let off.

67 Paladin  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 5:16:36pm

Make that ICBMs.

And while we're at it, release the Tomahawks and the cruise missles and the laser guided ordinance. Let's show them what REAL WMDs can do!

68 Paladin  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 5:18:01pm

/channeling bigel off

69 DU Jimbo  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 5:21:44pm
#49 Engineer

So you flip burgers, so what?

70 DU Jimbo  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 5:24:00pm

Oo oo, I know. Make him a Saudi. Then we could show w slipping him some dcash.

71 energyforcapital  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 5:25:28pm
Oo oo, I know. Make him a Saudi. Then we could show w slipping him some dcash.

(sarcasm quotes, right?)

72 ronnie schreiber  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 5:26:09pm

Note the compassion that DU Dhimmbo has for working class folks.

Flipping burgers is an honest way to make a living.

73 Paladin  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 5:27:03pm

#70 D U Jimbo

GAZE.

74 David  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 5:27:54pm

DU Jimbo

Saudis are Arabs, moron.

75 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 5:29:20pm

Sure the actor isn't Pakistani?

Someone said he looks hispanic, but maybe it's just cause he's KHAAANNN!!!

(Actually I'll bet it was from an outtake of "Sum Of All Fears" before they decided to make the villains neo-Nazis instead of swarthy/olive-skinned slaves of Allah.)

76 energyforcapital  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 5:31:01pm

What terrorist? Behind the Neo-nazi skinhead...

oh f*ck it

good nite

k

77 DU Jimbo  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 5:33:37pm
Saudis are Arabs, moron.

I know that, cretin. But maybe w doesn't. At least he never looks their way when scanning for terrorists.

78 Lil' Kate  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 5:35:12pm

Everyone should flood the Whitehouse comment line with support.

I like the four words... Do Not Back Down !

202/456-1111

79 Max Darkside  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 5:36:51pm

OT: South Korean parliament impeaches President Roh.

This has been (AND STILL IS) one HELLOFA day.

80 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 5:37:41pm
81 realwest  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 5:39:12pm

ATTENTION ALL NYC AREA LGF'ERS

Tomorrow, Friday March 12, 2004 there will be a "silent ceremony to condemn the attacks of March 11th" at the Cervantes Institute 211 East 49th Street, Manhattan.

As posted by Amy in the Sympathy thread, it is important that as many as can attend do so, to further evidence our solidarity in the WoT.

82 energyforcapital  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 5:46:23pm

re: realwest

with you there in spirit my friend. GOD bless!


efc

83 gymnast  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 5:47:03pm

#77, DU Jimbo. It has been noticed here and about the you are suffering from a severe case of non-ameliorating dysfunctional gluteal maximus. You should have it looked at before it becomes a terminal case of anal cephalic sufication. Just trying to help you out doncha know.

84 Max Darkside  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 5:47:38pm

So what is it with terrorists and numbers. Any numerologists out there with a clue?

9-11 NYC/Wash DC
3-11 Madrid

3 goes into 9 three times. 3 and 11 are prime, but 9 is not. I guess I'm just seeing satan in the smoke.

85 Darleen  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 5:52:13pm

Iron Fist

Maybe "projection" is not quite the word. The problem I see is the effort to show how wonderfully "non-racist" is whiner is by said whiner finding "racism" in every effort to show the danger from another culture. It's the logical outgrowth of the nihilist multi-culturalism that grips much of the American Left. They truly believe all "cultures" are equal, and that "authentic" cultures are ethnically bound. So any attack on a cultures ideology is, for them, an attack on the ethnic individual.

They are the ones who have equated culture/ideology with ethnicity/race. They believe that ethnicity conveys a set of values, regardless of individuals (American Left rejected individualism long ago..see how they treat "conservative" blacks). That is true racism.

86 Right Wing Conspirator  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 5:57:10pm

#85 Darleen

They are the ones who have equated culture/ideology with ethnicity/race. They believe that ethnicity conveys a set of values, regardless of individuals (American Left rejected individualism long ago..see how they treat "conservative" blacks). That is true racism.

Bravo !!! It sickens me how they hold up Dr. Martin Luther King as an icon (a great man, with a great message) but then totally do a reverse on his message. (of course, if you bring that up you are a racist/bigot/ etc...)

87 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 5:57:30pm

I guess they could have used Tim McVeigh's mug for the terrorist, but he's not a threat anymore.

88 Andjam  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 5:57:39pm

Should the GOP have waited till a few days after this terrorist attack before airing the ads on tv, lest they be accused of deciding to air it right after the terrorist attacks in Spain?

89 Ed Moran:Abu Das ist doch alles Kinderkacke hier  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 5:57:49pm

I worked at a Wendy's when I was in college. Then I moved on to the Mr. Gatti's just half a block west on MLK.

Did you know Mr. Gatti's secret? Provolone cheese instead of mozzarella.

90 Nigeltufnel11  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 5:58:59pm

Great ad. That guy looks like an ordinary white guy to me.

91 Jheka  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 5:59:59pm

#56 RWC:

You're a funny gal ...

92 jrae  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 6:00:09pm

i thought of the numbers thing this AM also, so what about 6/11 , ??? wonder if there is a method to the incredible madness

93 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 6:03:05pm

I finally got to watch all the ads, and by far the best (to me, as a Bush partisan) is the "Lead" ad that got so much airplay because of its fleeting images of Sept. 11th. It's a brilliant idea, I thought, to play to the fact that the McCain/Feingold Act requires candidates to read the text identifying the origin of the ad, and so they just have the President do the entire voiceover.

They should however, ditch the tagline "Steady Leadership In Times Of Change". This was obviously a slogan that was intended to be used in a campaign against Howard "Yeaaargghh!" Dean, and it's entirely too bland and generic. Perhaps we LGFer's can write a better tagline?

Now in the "100 Days" ad, they correctly judged that you don't want your candidate to be reading the critical statements about the opposition, that's what you use the announcer for.

94 Andjam  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 6:08:28pm

that's what you use the announcer for.

That dastardly Bush, outsourcing yet more jobs!

95 Nancy  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 6:13:09pm

#84 Max Darkside

What was Bali --wasn't that 10/11 or maybe it was just 10/11 when it occurred here that would have been 10/12 there.

They do like the number "9"

96 Nancy  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 6:17:16pm

26 evariste

Nancy-a Bush spokesman already mentioned that he is not an Arab actor.

Thanks. I did not think he would be. There would be no reason why they would have to do that. It's interesting that CAIR and others have immediately accussed that it is too "stereo-typed" when I actually thought he looked relatively "generic" considering the diversity of this country.

97 Deathberg  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 6:19:45pm

#22 TheDevil,

Ugh...Jeff Rense...what a dick.

98 Sergeant Schultz  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 6:21:40pm

OK, everybody raus for sensitivity training!

Raus! Raus! Macht schnell!

99 Andjam  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 6:22:08pm

What was Bali --wasn't that 10/11 or maybe it was just 10/11 when it occurred here that would have been 10/12 there.

I think it October 12 Australian time, and it happened late at night (but before midnight I assume), so the date was probably October 12 in the USA too.

100 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 6:23:17pm
That dastardly Bush, outsourcing yet more jobs!

Whaddya mean? He's creating jobs for serious-sounding female voice talent, and swarthy South Asian extras.

That's a substantial percentage of last month's employment figure...

101 HouTexJew  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 6:24:14pm

This is simple to solve... just replace the current picture in the ad with any of these or these or these or these.

102 Jakester  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 6:26:41pm

They should have some kaffiyeh wearing fool with a prayer rug on his shoulder, just to avoid confusion. By the way, Michael Savage was right on the Spanish bombing case all evening!

103 Nancy  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 6:27:55pm

99 Andjam

That's what I remember too October 12th but that is October 11th over here on our side of the dateline.

We are a day behind you.

104 realwest  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 6:28:44pm

To ALL: the time for the ceremony is 1:00PM (see my post #81, above).

105 Ed Moran:Abu Das ist doch alles Kinderkacke hier  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 6:31:35pm
106 Andjam  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 6:35:29pm

We are a day behind you.

Not exactly 24 hours behind. More like 16 hours or so. 11 pm Saturday Sydney time would be something like 7 am Saturday NY time.

107 Nancy  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 6:38:52pm

Andjam

Yup, I think you are right if it occurred close to midnight there so it would have been before noon here I guess --on the 12th.

I forgot about that --it's in flying that you lose a whole day.


Since it is just before midnight here 11:38 PM EST on March 11th --at this present --I would guess that it is around noon or early afternoon March 12th in Australia?

108 Cornholio  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 6:45:51pm

36  Sydney Carton  


If Bush had used photos of ACTUAL TERRORISTS, there would STILL be an outcry.

I agree. This, combined with the relatives of 9/11 victims paid by Heinz-Kerry to criticize W's previous ad shows the dem's game plan:

every time W mentions the war on terror, the Democrats (or their proxies) will scream hysterically that w is politically incorrect - insensitive, racist, etc

I bet the Democrats have rooms filled with teams of high-paid political operatives pouring over every ad W runs. They want to stop W from mentioning terror, so we forget about terrorists, so Kerry wins.

This also is why there won't be any big terror attacks in American until after the election. The terrorists want a wuss like Kerry in the White House.

109 PostalWorker  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 6:52:25pm

See the Webster's dictionary in 10 years. You will find this entry:

Zogby n. A stooge.

110 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 6:56:32pm

There's also a good ad in Spanish, which I've tried to translate below:

January 2001: The Challenge

The Challenge:
An economy in recession.

Financial markets in decline.

The dot com bonanza in bankruptcy.

And then... a tragic day

It was a test of our valor.

Today, our country moves forward.

We are more secure. Stronger.

With President Bush, we're headed the right way.

111 Richard McEnroe  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 6:58:15pm

This ad is terrible irresponsible. It throws us completely off our guard for all the thousands of Swedish terrorists at large amongst us...

112 zulubaby  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 7:05:14pm

Sergeant Schultz (#98)

LOL!

113 ken  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 7:11:40pm

As a human, I find it reprehensible that a fellow human has been shown as a potential terrorist. This is a slur on humans.

114 Belize042  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 7:12:32pm

Speaking of political controversy, I notice that John Kerry has refused to repudiate his "most crooked, lying group I've ever seen" comment of yesterday.

Do you realize what this means?

John F. Kerry has held a consistent position for over 24 hours!!!

115 Right Wing Conspirator  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 7:17:11pm

#91 Jheka

You're a funny gal ...

Why thanks honey. I feel like we're sisters.

116 zulubaby  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 7:18:19pm

Oh no.

117 punslinger  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 7:18:58pm

47 MonkeyPants 3/11/2004 06:54PM PST

"And what would Amish terrorists use?

I think it's called a clop-by shooting. "


I wonder if their software is as buggy as mine.

We do seem to have the same amount of power...

one H.P.

118 foreign devil  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 7:28:54pm

I absolutely positive that this is a deliberate "stick in the eye" by Bush and the Republican Party to every person who's going to cry "foul" and demand this ad's retraction. There is no way after the furor over the innocuous ads with the images of 9-11 that they would have released something so obviously incendiary as this ad unless it was a deliberate "come on" to those people like CAIR and Kerry who'll be the first to scream about this guy being cast as an "arab". I'm hoping he's Jewish or Irish (Black Irish?) or something so they can make all the whiners look perfectly stupid when their own "assumptions" are exposed.

It gets the message across and it's a 'honey trap', so it kills a few birds with one stone. Very clever and I say "Go Bush"!

I think GWB is getting very sick of all the whining from the usual suspects. We haven't heard any of the old 'Religion of Peace' eyewash this time around so maybe Daniel Pipes and his own experience have started to clue George in.

119 PostalWorker  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 7:30:04pm

OT:
"As CBS News Anchor Dan Rather rides on a convoy with members of the 82nd Airborne Division, a report is received that a Humvee in the group has apparently had its windows blown out. To the right is a small building, and there appear to be prisoners at least being questioned about what happened. "

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

I am suprised the 82nd would allow a slacker like Dan Blather to strap hang with them.

Bush needs an ad that accurately prtrays the feelings of the corageous people from our countrythat are actually on the front in this war.

I see Kerry as the clown knight in Monty Python who cries: "RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY!" At the sight of the killer rabbit.

Dan Rather has a track record of portraying our soldiers in the worst light. I refer to the infamous zippo raid photos he took while covering yet another war he didn't have a total grasp on.

Where are the Ernie Pyles of our age?

120 punslinger  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 7:30:31pm

#114 Belize042 3/11/2004 09:12PM PST


Speaking of political controversy, I notice that John Kerry has refused to repudiate his "most crooked, lying group I've ever seen" comment of yesterday.

Do you realize what this means?

John F. Kerry has held a consistent position for over 24 hours!!!


This line is great! I hope POTUS can find a good use for it.

121 hellcat  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 7:32:50pm

MoveOn.org has a new bone to pick.
A new axe to grind.
Betraying the Nations Trust.

Censure Bush for Misleading Us

Congress has the power to censure the President — to formally reprimand him for betraying the nation's trust. If ever there was a time for this, it's now.
122 Andjam  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 7:39:08pm

Thankfully, lots of denounciations by the media and portions of the blogosphere does not equal electoral defeat. Schwarzenegger's candicacy for governor comes to mind. (Not that this race will be as easy as California)

123 Andjam  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 7:47:53pm

MoveOn.org has a new bone to pick.
A new axe to grind.
Betraying the Nations Trust.

Bring it on. I'd like to see how many Democrats would vote for such a motion.

124 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 7:55:21pm

Can any one dig up the thread about the Al-Q Kids who said they liked Quantanamo for me. I need to kick an Asshat in the head.

125 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 7:56:30pm

Peggy Noonan with a few comments on poltical soundbites:

People around a candidate are always beating what he's going to say into smoothness, but it is that very smoothness--affordable health care for hardworking Americans--that makes us all want to tear our faces off and run from the room, though perhaps I understate.

"Steady Leadership In Times Of Change"

What about "Leading Freedom Forward"?

(Plays off his recent rhetoric about having a "forward strategy of freedom for the Middle East" and echoes "Freedom Will Be Defended". There are opportunities to talk about the economic freedom of people keeping more of what they earn, as well as the idealism of spreading freedom to the Middle East, and America as leader of the free world. How about that as a tagline for the candidate of the Daddy Party?)

Plus for you poets out there, it's got assonance and alliteration...

126 fiery celt  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 7:58:31pm

#84 Max Darkside

So what is it with terrorists and numbers. Any numerologists out there with a clue?
9-11 NYC/Wash DC
3-11 Madrid
3 goes into 9 three times. 3 and 11 are prime, but 9 is not. I guess I'm just seeing satan in the smoke.

Occultists Worship Numbers
[Link: www.cuttingedge.org...]

Take it with a grain of salt... : )

127 fiery celt  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 8:02:09pm

Regarding this Bush Ad---

I like Gweilos Suggestion---

Show the unvarnished truth...

128 Jaffar abu Grand Vizier  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 8:04:27pm

#124 Jewels (AKA Julian)

Here it is.

129 fiery celt  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 8:04:45pm

Oh Darn...here is that link to the Gweilo again

[Link: www.gweilodiaries.com...]

130 PostalWorker  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 8:05:23pm

Were the people at move-on dot orgy scared by the clown at their damned Head Start classes? I mean Sheeeit!

131 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 8:09:55pm
132 igor  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 8:13:13pm

Bush is not a racist. Ann Coulter is. I guess if she said something anti-Semitic like William Baker then maybe the CAIR would overlook her remark about Muslims being "smelly".

CAIR logic:

Muslims = race
Jews = not a race

Anti-Semitism? What anti-Semitism?

133 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 8:13:39pm

#128 Jaffar

Thank You. Fisk-torpedos away. I know await the denials and 'propoganda' rubbish to be fired back

134 SoCalJustice  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 8:14:16pm

OT

It looks official now:

Israeli Medical Examiners Set to Go to Spain

Of course, now the LLL and the RRR will say this proves that it was the "Zionists" who perpetrated yesterday's attack in Madrid, and these are Mossad agents coming in to "cover their tracks."

135 Right Wing Conspirator  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 8:14:49pm

Little late with the post Jewels (aka Julian.)

Darn you Jaffar abu Grand Vizier. You haven't heard the last of me. By the power of Grayskull you haven't.
Muuwaaahaaahaaahaaa !!!


#116 zulubaby

Oh no.

What's the problem bro.

;-)

I think it is way past my bedtime. Goodnight all. Hopefully we won't have to deal with anymore death by the RoP or other such 'militants' etc...

Seriously, have a good night and G-d bless.

136 Jaffar abu Grand Vizier  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 8:20:11pm

#134 SoCalJustice

Who told the Jews to stay off the train?
Who blew up da owl?
Who?

#135 Right Wing Conspirator

;-) And a very good night to you.

137 Alexis Z  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 8:23:56pm

Anyone know a non javascript link for the ads?


Javas no like me.

138 SoCalJustice  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 8:33:58pm

(#136) Jaffar

Who told the Jews to stay off the train?

Either Harvey Weinstein or Alan Greenspan.

I forget who was manning the phones at the IZC Wednesday afternoon, but I'm pretty sure it was one of them.

139 Buckaroo  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 9:02:33pm

OT -- PLEASE READ

The following appeared on the editorial page of the Thurs. Honolulu Star-Bulletin --

R. Corrie to be "honored" by local unity church on 3/16

Please help me in informing the paper (and hopefully the citizenry) by explaining to them the gross inaccuracies in the account along with the odiousness of comparing her to MLK --

letters@starbulletin.com

140 zulubaby  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 9:04:49pm

RWC, LOL. G-d bless you too. Sleep tight.

141 ic  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 9:05:12pm

Terrorist? What terrorist? That definitely is ex-AOL CEO Steven Cass, the largest landowner in Hawaii, on his way home.

142 PostalWorker  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 9:36:10pm

I still to this day ask:

WWKD?

He hasn't said shit. Not a freakin' clue.

Kerry has ZIP, nada, bupkis.

He is a clown in a bad suit.

He can't even flip a goddamn pancake.

143 LET ISRAEL WIN  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 9:44:45pm

The "swarthy" man in the ad is clearly a Sephardic Israeli Jewish Mossad Agent on his way to blow up children to advance the Zionist cause.

144 PostalWorker  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 9:45:26pm

BTW, and sorry Cooper,
I have a better canidate than Kerry. He is awesome and personable. He has a much better grasp of reality than John freakin Kerry. Everyone that meets him loves him. The guy is a class A chick magnet.

Look out for:

My grandson.

Too bad he is only 4 years old. BTW, my grandson desests ketchup.

145 PostalWorker  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 9:47:04pm

Oh I forgot, my grandson can flip a pancake like a pro.
Shit, I hate it when I forget my point.
Swig!!!

146 Helen  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 10:28:45pm

#77 take a look at [Link: www.americanthinker.com...] and you'll realize how much GWB has set himself against the Saudis. They're trying to topple him before he topples them. Not everything GWB does is in your face.

147 William  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 10:43:42pm

fuck Bush and Kerry

Vote with the constituition part.

www.constitutionparty.com...] target="_blank">

148 William  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 10:44:15pm
149 rajan r  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 11:02:19pm

This is discrimination! What about South East Asian Jihadis? Or Pakistani ones? And did the Bush administration ever stop and think about the Nigerian Jihadis? It's unfair that only Arabs are represented in the Bush administration.

150 Jay  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 11:49:26pm

It doesn't take much to get you right wing morons all hot and bothered. Enjoy...

151 big L  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 12:11:06am

145 helen--right on...I think there is a lot of texas poker being played here...

152 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 12:18:27am

The DU dreckheads are already blaming America and Mossad for the spanish attacks. These cretins are sickening.

153 German Observer  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 12:47:11am

"And he wanted to delay defending America until the United Nations approved."

Did I miss something here? When did that happen?

154 Les  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 1:17:19am
The DU dreckheads are already blaming America and Mossad for the spanish attacks. These cretins are sickening.

Stone Age savages (and those with a simular mentality or basic philosophy) invariably get angry when the victims fight back.

Don't sweat it.

(Oh yes, keep your powder dry.)

155 Former muslim  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 1:33:46am

OT:

CHeck out cairs whining about ann coulter.

Coulter wrote: "Being nice to people is, in fact, one of the incidental tenets of Christianity (as opposed to other religions whose tenets are more along the lines of 'kill everyone who doesn't smell bad and doesn't answer to the name Mohammed').

Cair's complaint:

A prominent national Islamic civil rights and advocacy group today called on major media outlets to end their association with a controversial conservative pundit who recently suggested that Muslims "smell bad."


This stuff writes itself!!

156 Ed Moran:Abu Das ist doch alles Kinderkacke hier  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 1:44:01am
157 gymnast  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 1:45:34am

#155, Former muslim. CAIR has an odor about it that brings to mind the smell of death.

158 Frank IBC  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 1:59:43am

a brief shot of a “swarthy-skinned” man who might possibly be construed as “Arab!”

Er, Ralph Nader?

159 Frank IBC  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 2:06:16am

Who told the Jews to stay off the train?

Er, Ferdinand and Isabella, in 1492?

160 scaramouche  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 2:18:40am

OT: The former Canadian ambassador to Israel blasts American efforts to bring democracy to the Middle East, arguing that a go-slow, consensus-building approach--in other words, a typically lame, ineffectual, time-wasting Canadian way of doing things--is more effective. He seems to think that at some point, with some gentle prodding, perhaps democracy can grow organically in the Arab world. He fails to mention how that can ever happen in such rotten soil, or how many infidels will be murdered along the way.

[Link: www.globeandmail.com...]

161 Ed Moran:Abu Das ist doch alles Kinderkacke hier  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 2:22:01am

IIRC, Ralph Nader is of Arab heritage.

162 aaron  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 2:44:24am

links to the quicktime version of the ad:

[Link: real.streamtoyou.com...]

[Link: real.streamtoyou.com...]

163 Peter Ness  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 2:51:21am

#158 Frank IBC

LOL!

164 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 2:52:34am

#146,

So why doesn't President Bush tap the Strategic Petroleum Reserve? Is President Bush trying to set Congress up for enacting the energy bill?

He wisely ordered it expanded after 9/11 and the Administration has said that it is "concerned" about near-record high gas prices. Also according to al-Reuters (via Forbes) OPEC is scheduled to implement another production cut as of April 1.

I hope there's some quiet diplomacy going on with non-OPEC producers like Mexico and Russia...

165 levi from queens  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 2:53:09am

From scaramouche's link to the Canadian ambassador talking about the middle east initiative:

If we want to be effective, we have to accept that the Middle East is rife with complexities, and there will be few shortcuts. If our goal is the peaceful transformation of societies, it can only be achieved with patience and an understanding of people's basic sensibilities. Such a process doesn't often make headlines but, on the other hand, it may just work.

Appealing to the people of Iran, Egypt, Saudi, Syria, and such places just might work better than trying to convince the ruling bandit gangs that they would prefer a life in relative poverty and obscurity than a life as kings.

166 Frank IBC  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 2:56:06am

Ralph Nader is Lebanese-Christian, as are Doug Flutie, Joe Namath, Donna Shalala, Danny Thomas, Dr. DeBakey, and IIRC Casey Kasem, and the vast majority of Arab-American celebrities.

Hmmm...my eyes and eyebrows look like those in the picture. I guess I should not plan on getting too much of a tan this summer.

167 Smit  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 2:59:12am

So the terrorist in the ad *looks* Arabic-ish. What should he have been? Ginger?

Pah

168 V the K  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 3:00:52am

He sort of looks like the Pakistani guy who played bass in the band I was in in college.

169 Westward Ho  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 3:04:21am

150, Jay

It doesn't take much to get you right wing morons all hot and bothered. Enjoy...

Dispassionate,reasoned, calm political discourse from your side right...
The intellectual atrophy of the left has degenerated into name calling.

170 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 3:05:03am

#146, Helen:

Looks like that OPEC vs. George W. Bush story made InstaPundit this morning...

Congratulations!

171 Frank IBC  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 3:14:44am
172 levi from queens  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 3:18:21am

Frank IBC- neither of your links came up when I hit them.

173 Frank IBC  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 3:23:24am

Dang.

The first one was the Cleaver family, the second was Mr. Ed. :(

174 levi from queens  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 3:32:51am

frank--pretty good even written

175 Ed Moran: Increasing Clouds in HOU  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 3:52:27am
176 azul93gt  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 3:52:43am

#153 German Observer 3/12/2004

"And he wanted to delay defending America until the United Nations approved."

Did I miss something here? When did that happen?

Your powers of observation are failing you. That is Kerry's #1 incessant gripe. According to Kerry Bush is too unilateral and he failed to get the UN's support. Screwing around with the UN caused the USA huge delays in Operation Iraqui Freedom.

177 Ed Moran: Increasing Clouds in HOU  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 3:54:40am

Nope, Just Googled, I was thinking of Candy Samples.

I don't follow pron anymore.

178 Ed Moran: Increasing Clouds in HOU  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 3:56:59am

I'm first to link to new VDH! on NRO

A year ago, almost no one claimed that we were far too naïve, idealistic, or stupid. No, Americans were forever conniving and larcenous. Remember the invective about perpetual American intervention? Tens of thousands of our troops poured into the Middle East after the "excuse" of September 11. Right-wingers alleged that we had turned from republic to a garrison empire in a new global ego trip. Leftists assured us that we were greedy colonialists replicating the British raj — perhaps keen to corner the Iraqi date market or exploit at slave wages the skilled workforce around Tikrit. Arab fundamentalists prattled on about the American Crusaders and Zionists out to steal holy lands and desecrate shrines — no doubt convinced that Billy Grahamites, if not blowing up ancient Buddhist statuary, would soon be attaching crosses to minarets.
179 Shira  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 3:57:02am

OT -- Sharon asked to avow Jordan isn't Palestinian land. Here's the link.

180 Ed Moran: Increasing Clouds in HOU  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 3:58:20am
Another myth was that of the "noble European" — promulgated here at home by American shysters like Michael Moore, who cashed in overseas, fawning over the likes of Jacques Chirac (the guy who sealed the French nuclear-reactor deal with Saddam) and Dominique de Villepin (who wept over the Christ-like Napoleon's demise at Waterloo).

The truth again is very different; and John Kerry should be wary about bragging that unnamed European leaders — if true — tell him that they favor his election. Each week we learn how European companies were knee-deep in the foul stream of forbidden supplies that flowed to Saddam in violation of their hallowed U.N. statutes. And the most recent European tired chorus — "We support the needed Afghan multilateral operation, but not the Iraq aggression" — is proven false by the fact that there are about ten times more American troops right now in Europe than there are NATO soldiers in Afghanistan.

181 Bubbaman  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 3:59:26am

Originally, they cast my grey-haired mom for that role. But, she missed the shoot because she was held up in the airport - one of those profiling things. I guess they had to settle for someone else.

Kudos GW!

182 Ed Moran: Increasing Clouds in HOU  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 4:03:51am

Subtle anti-Aznar/anti-Bush editorializing in Israeli newspaper

Within the Socialist Party, therefore, some were praying that ETA would be proven not to have a hand in the attack. Former European Union Special Envoy to the Middle East, Miguel Moratinos , and a Socialist Party candidate for parliament, lashed out this week at Aznar's support for the war on Iraq. "We got nothing from it," he said. "On the contrary. Spain is now a prime target for extremist Islamic terror."

Indeed, several terror experts talked about possible collaboration between ETA extremists and Islamic organizations, such as the Al-Qaida terror network. Other stubbornly insisted that the attack was exclusively Islamic. If that turns out to be true, the voting patterns in the election may turn in favor of those who object to Aznar (blindly) toeing the American line.

I suppose that any foreign leader that supports the US WoT is "blind".

183 031204  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 4:11:17am

What "arab"? The guy looks like Antonin Scalia to me.

184 031204  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 4:13:53am

It occurred to me this morning, hearing the Kerry statement, “We’re going to keep on fighting---these guys are the most crooked lying bunch I’ve ever seen” for the umpteenth time of NPR, that what he REALLY was saying was: “[My team] is going to keep on fighting---and these guys [my team] are the most crooked lying bunch I’ve even seen.”

185 theDevil!  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 4:19:48am

OT - MY HELL IN CAMP X-RAY Mar 12 2004 WORLD EXCLUSIVE By Rosa Prince and Gary Jones

"When I did meet the other Brits, we would reminisce about home - particularly the food.

He has to be lying, who reminisces about British food?

In any case, in the middle of a war we should not release these people to the propaganda advantage of the enemy. We should hang them.

186 Baldy  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 4:23:29am

OT: Anyone from NJ here? Mark your calendars - Mar 13 (Sat) 877-WHY-ISLAM Dawah Booth at Bridgewater Commons Mall, NJ

187 scaramouche  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 4:29:19am

One of the British prisoners released from Gitmo reveals the full horror of his confinement. Apparently, it included subjecting Muslim men to the sight of naked prostitutes. Am I the only one who suspects this is the product of his fevered fantasies, and not the policy of the U.S. military? (via Drudge)

[Link: www.mirror.co.uk...]

188 Ed Moran: Increasing Clouds in HOU  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 4:29:41am

TheDevil

Prisoners who had never seen an "unveiled" woman before would be forced to watch as the hookers touched their own naked bodies.

The men would return distraught. One said an American girl had smeared menstrual blood across his face in an act of humiliation


I believe him. That so sounds like the behavior of our US Marine Corps.


Boy, if I'd known about the USMC's Hooker Brigade, I never would have joined the Navy.

/snark

189 scaramouche  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 4:30:52am

Oops! I see the Devil got there first.

190 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 4:32:23am

I am busy, but let me open my day cursing the bloody subhumans that (NOT 'who', because we are talking about things) have hit the Noble Spain.

Noble Spain, you hunted them down once, during the centuries-long fight of the Reconquista, hunt them again and kill them all.
We will help.
Peace to the Victims, who are now in the Light.
May the Families find confort.

HUNT THE KILLERS UNTIL THE END OF TIME.
DEATH TO TERRORISTS.
LET'S GET RID OF THE ISLAMIC FANATICS.

Good morning to all Good People.

191 Ed Moran: Increasing Clouds in HOU  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 4:42:06am

I wish we had more knowledge about the real animals in Spain. I've seen several theories 1) ETA did this alone, and messed up the warnings (unlikely) or were so taken aback by the reaction of the Spanish public to the magnitude of the atrocity, denied all involvement and maybe even "planted" the van with the Koran tape and detonators 2) ETA did this with some al Qaeda support, or perhaps carried this job out as an al Qaeda contract job, perhaps for an infusion of needed cash after the Spanish had success in arresting their leaders 3) al Qaeda carried this job out on its own, and the cell(s) responsible haven't taken responsibility, even though a sympathetic group of as$hats in London (who also took credit for the Northeastern US power outage) took credit.

1) isn't impossible, but I saw something yesterday that suggested that there was only about 50 active ETA terrorists in Spain, and assuming it would look suspicious for one person to be carrying multiple backpacks, it would have taken about as many people leaving backpack bombs as there were backpack bombs, ie, at least thirteen people.


Anybody have links to reasoned analysis?

192 Geepers  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 4:43:24am

Ed Moran (#178),

Dovetailing your VDH quotes:

Kerry fails to back up foreign 'endorsements'

Sen. John Kerry refuses to provide any information to support his assertion earlier this week that he has met with foreign leaders who beseeched him to prevail over President Bush in November's election.

"In terms of who he's talked to, we're not going to discuss that," spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter said yesterday.

Kerry's statements are even more ridiculous seeings how he made them up.

193 James  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 4:43:41am

The anti-Arab feelings on this forum are palpable, but understandable. Here's why:

When, in the West, we identify an individual or group which has views clearly outside the mainstream, not only does the majority tend to ignore it , they go out of thier way to censure and condone. It's called Political Correctness.

Given that Islamists and fundamentalists are supposed to comprise, according to "mainstream" or "moderate" Arabs, no more than a tiny minority. The problem of course is that we do not ever ever get the feeling that the average Arab condones Islamofacism, quite the opposite. Amoung Arab elites, we hear only platitudes, which are quickly followed by mention of the "context" of Isreal.

To those who would read the postings above and sniff that they are a bunch of racist, unenlightened pigmies, how about this:

YOU convince ME that Arabs (in the Middle East) don't secretly (or even openly) desire the destruction of Isreal and victory against the US in Iraq (or at least a humileation aka Vietnam). I for one am sick of being bombarded with images of Palenstinean ARMED gunmen casualties being given more media coverage than the children blown apart on a bus by a suicide bomber.

They say prejudice is the result of ignorance of another's culture. The problem now is that even with sympathetic media, Arab culture is becoming all too well known.

If I am wrong PLEASE PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME!

194 theDevil!  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 4:52:33am

193

My God, are you stupid?

No offence, but arabs are the enemy in a world scale war.

The saudi ideology, funded by billions, perkolating for 20 plus years, has produced several hundred thousand people acting out a fantasy to take over the world for islam.

Get real, smell the smoldering Spanish bodies.

195 CheezNCrackers  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 4:54:27am

In case anyone has forgotten basic history:

1)Islamists overran the Holy Land, provoking the Crusades.

2)Spain was occupied for 700 years by Islamists.

Were THESE a "tiny minority" of Islamists also ?

196 CheezNCrackers  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 4:57:51am

BTW #194 if you pay attention to #193 HE IS AGREEING WITH YOU

197 WriterMom  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 5:05:22am

James #193

YOU convince ME that Arabs (in the Middle East) don't secretly (or even openly) desire the destruction of Isreal

Are you on drugs?

What do you think they want? Another frikkin falafel stand in Jerusalem?

Re: CBC coverage of Spain this morning. They interviewed the editor of a Spanish paper this morning and practically forced him to admit that it really, really could have been ETA and what would Al Queida have to gain from the bombings right before the Spanish elections?

Like duh! Of course-why did I not think of that? The CBC forensic investigators have figured out conclusively that this was not Islamoterror.

198 theDevil!  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 5:12:59am

196 cheezy

I'm just saying, it's war, and the arabs are the enemy.

We have to disregard cultures, hurt feelings, and practically everything else for now, and get on with making war on the enemy.

Jihad means war, and the arabs are the enemy.

Got that?

We have to clean out saudi arabia, iran, syria, and everywhere else where they preach death to america every friday night.

We can carpet bomb them or take out the preachers, whichever, but we've got to do one or the other, and keep doing it until they stop attacking us.

199 Abu Jimbola  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 5:14:28am

On principal I refuse to watch or listen to the CBC any more, so its good to know that they are still keeping up their fine work.

As Mark Steyn said recently:

Broadly speaking, in these interesting times, when something unusual and unprecedented happens, there are those who think on balance it's more likely to be a fellow called Mohammed than, say, Bud, and there are those who climb into the metaphorical burqa, close up the grille and insist, despite all the evidence, that we should be looking for some angry white male.

The CBC is right there.

200 CheezNCrackers  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 5:15:47am

p>

Got that?

Yes, sir! Clearly!

201 Jheka  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 5:16:28am

O/T (kinda):

The DUmmies make an especially stupid poll:

Who would Al Qaeda support for President in 2004?

Guess who's running away with it? Guess who has 0 votes?

Ah, the hard left bizarro world on display ...

202 Abu Jimbola  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 5:17:27am

#198

What you said!!!

203 ploome  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 5:19:16am

187 scaramouche

I read that article...unbelievable crap

some newspapers will print anything

I bet, the dog ate his homework also

the only mindly interesting thing about this piece, is that this individual gets to recount to us,

what to him, would be the worst torture..naked women touching themselves

pathetic, he wasn't even forced to touch one of these women..

LOL

204 Millie Woods  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 5:24:17am

Jay, FWI, I'm Canadian and so have no axe to grind concerning the merits of the two major US political parties.
However, my experience in attending conferences, visiting and travelling in the US has convinced me that avowed mouthy Democrats are the most uncouth and cretinous lot that ever walked the earth.
If you admire rudeness, ugliness and a complete lack of sensitivity (cf Michael Moore) than go with the Dems. In any area where I have expertise, Dem leaners turn out to be not only purveyors of disinformation but ignorance combined with arrogance.
Anyone who considers Ted Kennedy of the foot permanently in the mouth a statesman needs a cerebral transplant.
Enjoy your misantropic life, Jay.

205 031204  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 5:25:06am

#195 CheezNCrackers

In case anyone has forgotten basic history:


1)Islamists overran the Holy Land, provoking the Crusades.

Nearly EVERYONE seems to have forgotten basic history. This is one of my pet peeves.

Forget all the PC non-history that is shoved down our throats and repeat these words over and over:

>>> the Crusades were a DEFENSIVE action IN RESPONSE TO muslim aggression

206 CheezNCrackers  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 5:27:36am
The father-of-three, from Manchester, told how he was assaulted with fists, feet and batons after refusing a mystery injection

Refusing? If he were scheduled to get one ... HE WOULD GET IT.

Does anyone think he would be given a choice:" Mr Terrorist, would you please allow yourself to be given a mystery injection?"

207 logger phd  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 5:28:39am

Wow, The Passion thread just closed, with 1,183 comments --a new LGF record.

If anyone heasn't read it yet, print it out and it's good for several sessions in the head! ;-)

208 Smit  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 5:28:44am

Read James carefully


The problem of course is that we do not ever ever get the feeling that the average Arab condones Islamofacism, quite the opposite...

To those who would read the postings above and sniff that they are a bunch of racist, unenlightened pigmies, how about this:...

I for one am sick of being bombarded with images of Palenstinean ARMED gunmen casualties being given more media coverage than the children blown apart on a bus by a suicide bomber.

He's saying the more educated we get about current Arab & Islamic culture the more we despise it. If you want that to change they need to change their actions.

209 031204  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 5:30:05am

It’s not a hard concept, and it flows from the most basic logic and rudimentary knowledge of history. First the Greeks, then the Romans, then the Roman Empire went Christian, THEN AND ONLY THEN, a couple hundred years later, M the P (may bird shit be ever upon him) had his hallucinations and led his bloodthirsty thugs into somebody else’s “holy land,” killing, raping, and enslaving the locals.

Oh BOY, this gets my bile flowing!

210 logger phd  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 5:30:48am

Actually, the guy in the ad could easily be mistaken for a PhD student at the b-school here at Maryland. Where's the racism?

Oh, and go Terps!

211 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 5:33:16am

OT, maybe, or maybenot

FROM:


The Foundation for the Defense of Democracies


Massacre In Madrid

By Gary Bauer , March 11, 2004

The horror of terrorism came with a vengeance today to the people of Spain.
Reports are changing by the hour, but as of now nearly 200 people are dead and 1,000 wounded after coordinated bombs exploded at Madrid train stations.  The Spanish government initially pointed the finger at Basque terrorists, who are fighting to set up their own socialist state separate from Spain.  But a Basque spokesman denied responsibility and said the blasts were the result of Arab resistance - in other words, Al Qaeda.
Is this Europe's September 11th?  It is too early to know the impact, but the European stock markets plummeted this morning at the sight of mangled bodies being pulled from the rubble.  The president of the European Union, an entity that regularly makes excuses for Palestinian terrorists killing Israelis and which second-guesses everything America does to fight terrorism, said the bombings in Madrid were a "declaration of war on democracy."
At some point, the democracies of the world have to wake up or they risk being dragged back into barbarism.  The people who hijacked planes in the United States on September 11, 2001, the thugs masquerading as "martyrs" who blow up buses in Jerusalem, the car bombers in Iraq and the murderers who struck Madrid this morning are all cut from the same cloth.  They loath democratic values and they despise the rules of Western Civilization that form the basis of our lives of freedom.
The best thing Europe can do today is rethink its selective outrage.  The Palestinian, Basque, Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas, Baathist, Islamic Jihad thugs must be condemned by the civilized world and destroyed.  There can be no excuses made for these murderers whether they detonated bombs today in Madrid or massacre Jews in Tel Aviv tomorrow.  The terrorist cancer will grow unless the world's democracies close ranks and resolve to win.

Gary L. Bauer
President, American Values and FDD Advisor

212 Abu Jimbola  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 5:34:26am

#208

Exactly. Pre 9/11 I knew vaguely that muslims were trouble.

It is amusing that the North American muslim groups have encouraged me to find out more about them and their "religion". The more I find out, the more disgusted I am and the more I despise it.

Everyone should find out more about this cult.

213 Ed Moran: Increasing Clouds in HOU  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 5:36:33am

I doubt its true, but the menstrual blood kind of thing appeals mainly to Hell's Angels, not jihadis.

214 031204  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 5:37:46am

#191 Ed Moran

I heard a reasonable explanation of what’s going on with the ETA vs. A’Q thing. It was a Spanish journalist on BBC World News on NPR. She said that with the Spanish elections coming up on Sunday, two days from now, if it was the ETA, the current government has the best chance to win and stay in office. If it was A’Q, they stand a better chance of losing. Get it? So between now and Monday, the official position of the current Spanish government is going to keep suggesting it was ETA. But they say (ha ha) that all avenues of investigation will remain open. So, then, big surprise, come Monday, suddenly it’s going to be A’Q.

Hey, it works for me. I want to see the current Spanish government, who are OUR ALLIES, stay in power.

215 Ms. Andi  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 5:42:02am

theDevil!

I still don't think you read James' post correctly. He said:

To those who would read the postings above and sniff that they are a bunch of racist, unenlightened pigmies, how about this:

He was addressing the LLLs no us.

216 Right Wing Conspirator  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 5:47:33am

The folks who are jumping on James statement need to go back and read it. He isn't an LLL, he is addressing the LLL PC crowd.

Oh, and good morning.

217 Unfortunate facts for Willie Horton-ad lovers  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 5:50:07am

Race & Terrorism

The claim that profiling "arabs" as terrorist is OK because Swedes didn't commit terrorism is dangerous nonsense for 3 reasons which should be obvious to any moron:

1- Was Timothy McVeigh an "Arab"? No he was a blonde, blue-eyed American.

2- "Arabs" don't actually have a particular look anyway, despite the stereotypes. You may think that all arabs are swarthy but you're probably an idiot too. "Arab" means someone who speaks arabic as a mother tongue - that's all. Its not a racial or even an ethnic identification. Arabs can be Caucasian or Black. They can be Moslem or Christian (in fact the head of the People's Liberation Front of Palestine - George Habash - was Christian) and they can look just like you or your neighbor (one of the original WTC bombers was a red-head, as was Saddam's second-in-command in the miltiary) In fact genetic evidence shows that Jews and Arabs are one people, and even their language is commonly-derived. Nevermind the Sikhs or Mexicans or Greeks who have been called "Arabs"

3- In fact, according to the annual State Dept report in Global Terrorism, terrorists are not more likely to be either Arab or Moslem.

218 German Observer  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 5:51:20am

#176 azul93gt

I normally see and hear very well, thank you.

"And he wanted to delay defending America until the United Nations approved."

This refers to something in the past, and cleary to the lack of UN approval concerning the Iraq war.

So what did Kerry say then? Did he withhold his yes to the war until the UN approved it?

The Bush ad doesn't say "Kerry wants", it says "Kerry wanted". And this is not about wanting a pony or world peace, this insinuates that Kerry actually did or say something to "delay defending America" (but obviously failed to do so). And I'm not even going into the discussion whether "defending America" is the right expression for the Iraq war.

So did Kerry obstruct the U.S. going to war in any way then?

The guy who "wanted to delay defending America until the United Nations approved" was not John Kerry but Colin Powell

219 Ms. Andi  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 5:51:59am

Good Morning RWC

I second your #216
READ IT AGAIN FOLKS

220 Occasional Reader  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 5:53:35am

Perhaps somewhere in this thread this was almost addressed, but: I innocently ask, how does The New Republic claim to know that the face in the ad is meant to represent a "terrorist"? Perhaps it's meant to represent an average American, looking over his shoulder, wary of terrorist violence? Yet the hardened racists on the left look at this "swarthy" face and immediately declare it to be "sinister" and "obviously" a terrorist. Racist bastards!

221 Jaffar abu Grand Vizier  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 5:54:11am

#217 Unfortunate facts for Willie Horton-ad lovers

3- In fact, according to the annual State Dept report in Global Terrorism, terrorists are not more likely to be either Arab or Moslem.

but the terrorists most likely to try and attack us most definitely are. Terrorists can be any race, ethnicity, religion, but the most virulent strain can be found in those who pray to Mekkah.

222 Abu Jimbola  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 5:54:12am

#217

Hey asshat

Remember back in Grade 4 (probably not too long for you if you even got out)

We all did set theory with Venn diagrams.

Let me explain this in small words so that you can understand (oops sorry big word)

All jihadis are muslim.

There are no christian, bhuddist, pentacostal etc. jihadis

To find jihadis you need to search in the set of muslims.

223 Deathberg  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 5:59:08am
"Arab" means someone who speaks arabic as a mother tongue - that's all. Its not a racial or even an ethnic identification. "Arab" means someone who speaks arabic as a mother tongue - that's all. Its not a racial or even an ethnic identification.

I don't think this is true. Check your info. Then double-check it.

My grandfather's mother tongue is Arabic, but since he's Jewish, only an idiot would call him an Arab.

224 Ed Moran: Increasing Clouds in HOU  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 5:59:34am

217

Doesn't that support the notion that the person shown in the ad may not be an Arab, and people rushing to the conclusion that the Bush campaign is race-baiting/using a Willie al Horton may be the ones committing subtle racism?

BTW, did you know the first person to use Willie Horton against Michael Dukakis was our good friend Al Gore?

225 Camel Prophet  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 6:02:00am

OT:
If I was in charge post 9-11, I would have air-dropped 10,000 body bags on Riyadh, and ordered that they be filled with both every adult male member of the House of Saud and the genocide inciting clerics. If that had happened, would-be terrorists would be so socially marginalized on a global scale, that terror would be unthinkable. That didn't happen, and the Sauds still export terror and have engineered oil production cuts in order to pressure US suppression of Shiite power in Iraq. And now the Bush-family Frankenstein is attacking their sustainer:
[Link: americanthinker.com...]

Those who are voting for Bush, should attempt to leverage him into a liquidationist policy, at least against Islamofascists in Fallujah, Iraq. Dirty-little-Fallujah should be attacked on a scorched earth basis. If pressured by both the public and the Saud entity, the Bushies will both answer the public and send a message by way of Fallujah. The status quo means both continued Wahabi insurgency in the Sunni Triangle, while a Hizbollah-Corridor is being formed from Iran to Israel. In an election year, that can change.

Once again, the US enforced "De-Nazification" in its post WW2 occupation zone. The US is enforcing "De-Baathization" as, literally, FIRST ORDER of business in Iraq.
[Link: www.cpa-iraq.org...]
ERGO: MAKE THE WHITE HOUSE DE-ISLAMOFASCIZE IRAQ.

226 Sean II  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 6:03:02am

#217

Are you for real? Tim Mcveigh was ONE (#1) that is ONE person in a land of millions you clueless freak. Arabs don't have certain look? Asinine statement.

227 John Gibbon  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 6:06:11am

#220 Occasional Reader

Great observation! For all we know he could be a normal traveller at an airport who is suspiciously looking over his shoulder at somebody he doesn't trust..

..LIKE MY Grandmother!

I only joking but I do understand you...we don't understand the context of the photo.

Hey good to see everyone checking in...Good MOrnnning!

228 Sean II  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 6:06:37am

From newspaper article:

Spanish papers united in their condemnation of "Our September 11" and said establishing blame would now be a critical factor in Sunday's general election.

"The important thing is to ... bring all the evidence to light so that Spaniards can go to the ballot box knowing who is the author of this massacre," El Mundo said in an editorial.

The ruling center-right Popular Party (PP) had campaigned on its hardline stance against ETA. But if the attacks were the work of Islamic militants, it could be viewed as the price for Spain's backing of the U.S.-led war in Iraq.

"If the hell unleashed which burned the whole of Madrid on Thursday is the result of Islamic fanaticism, we must look at Spain's role in the Iraq war: an involvement which our citizens rejected, a personal decision by the prime minister beyond the wishes of the majority," commentator Antonio Gala said.

229 logger phd  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 6:06:45am

#225 camel prophet

If I was in charge post 9-11, I would have air-dropped 10,000 body bags on Riyadh, and ordered that they be filled with both every adult male member of the House of Saud and the genocide inciting clerics. If that had happened, would-be terrorists would be so socially marginalized on a global scale, that terror would be unthinkable.

--Don't forget a liberal dollop of pig lard mixed in with each bag.

230 Occasional Reader  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 6:06:46am

#217 Unfortunate etc.

In fact genetic evidence shows that Jews and Arabs are one people

What on earth does this statement mean? What do you mean by "one people"? Your grasp of genetics is as thin as your grasp of the Venn diagram. There is no genetic test for determining to what sort of "people" a given group belongs; that sort of characterization is a social construct, not a genetically-driven one.

231 Emperor Misha I[deleted]  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 6:09:13am
232 billybobette  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 6:10:04am

The problem with this country now is that we are too lenient on too many fronts!! Let't get real

Clue PHONE AMERICA it is for yoo!!

233 logger phd  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 6:11:09am

#230 occasional reader

--The "one people" point may be true, but you gotta go waaay back (if you are a believing Jew or Christian) to Isaac and Ishmael for that. (Father Abraham, I love you, but man are we now paying for your impatience! ;-D )

In any case, if you want to go that far back, hell, everyone is at least a fortieth cousin of everyone else. . . .

234 levi from queens  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 6:11:46am

Charles-- I would pull comment 231.

235 Occasional Reader  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 6:12:31am

#227 John Gibbon:

..LIKE MY Grandmother!

Look, if your grandma will just quit wearing her black ski mask in the airport, we'll stop giving her those looks!

Charles--I recommend you delete post #231 (and Misha, I recommend you think it over carefully before you post something like that again).

236 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 6:14:20am

#234 Levi

Don't worry, you must not be familiar with the rich language used by The Emperor.
Have a look at His Imperial Page.
He's a good guy, with a big heart...

(Now he will have me tortured for saying that)

237 Ed Moran: Increasing Clouds in HOU  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 6:17:26am

Of course, all the hue and cry about using the image of a particularly savage murderer being racist. If you had to pick you're average murderer:

According to the US Department of Justice, as a percentage of the population, African-Americans commit seven times the number of murders as white people.

As a percentage, blacks are six times more likely to be the victims, meaning most (but not all) blacks who do commit murder murder other blacks.


OK, as the left loves to mention, Timothy McVeigh and Eric Rudolph were white.

Of course, the death toll from 9-11 was about 17 times higher than the combined McVeigh-Rudolph death tolls.

Of course, religion, not race is really the risk factor, as there are blue eyed Chechen terrorists, but so far, Arab terrorists have about a 17 to 1 lead in the death toll department in this country.

You do understand that, don't you?

238 John Gibbon  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 6:18:27am

#235 Occasional Reader,

Nothing like a misplaced blogged death threat to wake us up in the morning! Who needs coffee?

Misha should appreciate that Charles will delete that!

239 Geepers  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 6:18:36am
"Arabs" don't actually have a particular look anyway, despite the stereotypes. You may think that all arabs are swarthy but you're probably an idiot too.

Whatever you say.

240 Abu Jimbola  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 6:19:14am

The Internet rules!!

I followed CP's link and there it is... the entire framework for the Provisional Coalition in Iraq in all its glory and warts.

Good find!

241 levi from queens  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 6:20:19am

I'm not sure why a call to individual murder bothers me more than Bigel, but it does. (And I have personally proposed to people that we should pave Afghanistan in September 01). Granted that the Emperor may be a big-hearted fellow, this is over the line.

242 Smit  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 6:22:48am

I didn't read it as a death threat, His Imperial Majesty is just suggesting blasting some broadcasting equipment.

243 Jheka  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 6:24:55am

#239 Geepers:

Why do you insist on posting pictures of all of those blonde, blue-eyer albinos? Their smiling freckled faces mock me ...

Oh, and as for Misha's comment, yeah, that was way, way over the line and I'm sure that, upon reflection, he knows it (or at least I hope so).

244 Occasional Reader  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 6:27:31am

OT: We have a new LGF slogan.

(Well, I'm pushing for it, anyway)

245 DR  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 6:30:08am

I wonder if the actor who plays the terrorist in this ad will suffer any misplaced frontier justice in a case of "it's not real, it's just tv" confusion. I recall hearing that many of the actors who portray criminals on shows like America's Most Wanted are confused with the actual criminals and assaulted/arrested...

246 Ed Moran: Increasing Clouds in HOU  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 6:31:08am

Not to mention somebody before has linked to a study suggesting non-Arab Kurds appear to closer genetically to the Jews than the Arabs, which makes sense if you consider that Abraham came to Israel from what is now Iraq, according to the Bible, and the Arabs are originally from the Arabian peninsula.


(Although our dim-bulbed Willie Horton visitor does have a point, that Arabic speaking Muslims are often considered Arab, even if their ancestors were Christian Assyrians or Copts or Berbers, or for that matter, even current Arabic speaking Christian Assyrians, such as the Lebanese, are often labelled "Arab")

247 Occasional Reader  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 6:37:50am

Wait, it just occurred to me...

If Arabs and Jews are "the same people", maybe the figure appearing in the ad isn't meant to be an Arab at all, but rather a Jew... maybe Bush is trying to subliminally let us know that the Joos perpetrated 9/11! I knew it all along!!!

/checks tinfoil hat to ensure that shiny side is out

248 Gordon  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 6:51:28am

#217: Thanks for bringing some sanity to this post.

Charles is now channelling the smears of the Bush campaign in addition to the FrontPage smears on Kerry's wife.

Maybe this blog should be renamed: Little Green Footballs - a subsidiary of the Committee to Re-elect the President.

249 Jheka  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 6:52:42am

#244 Occasional Reader:

Crudase foraveer!! I hive thos decleard!!!

250 botheredbyapathy  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 7:06:15am

That Jew comment by #247 is wrong!! you are an assshole

251 Frank IBC  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 7:06:55am

{sniff sniff}

Did Goredean eat an Egg & Bean Burrito again?

252 Frank IBC  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 7:07:54am

#250 -

Er, did you miss the "tinfoil" comment?

253 Frank IBC  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 7:09:53am

Ed Moran -

Actually, the Kurds are the same as the Medes, of the ancient "Medes and Persians".

254 logger phd  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 7:10:33am

Gordon, as soon as Kerry says something sane and credible about responding to the threats of terrorism, I would hope Charles would alert us to that --but I won;t hold my breath.

If it all seems "unbalanced" it's because The Democrats want to plug their hands in their ears and cry "LA! LA! LA! I can't hear anything!"

255 Jheka  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 7:11:35am

#250 bothered:

It seems that you're not bothered by subtlety or sarcasm or reading comprehension. Welcome to LGF. Post carefully.

256 John Gibbon  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 7:11:48am

Gordon...

Maybe this blog should be renamed: Little Green Footballs - a subsidiary of the Committee to Re-elect the President.

...and Charles receives money from the RNC how?

Unlike other blog sites that have .org suffix, Charles is a self sufficing Web blog site...

Have you tipped him lately through PayPal? You spend enough time here for at least $10/month.

257 Ed Moran: Increasing Clouds in HOU  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 7:12:22am

Gordon, did you read anything else on this thread?

258 Occasional Reader  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 7:15:17am

#250 botheredbyapathy:

You have a truly keen eye for sarcasm, don't you? "Tinfoil hat"? Hellooo?

#248 Gordon:


Charles is now channelling the smears of the Bush campaign

So the idea that islamist terrorism is carried out largely by--well--Muslims, is a "smear of the Bush campaign"??? The idea that the 9/11 hijackers were Arabs is a "smear of the Bush campaign"?? Perhaps you really think the Jews did it? If not, then what the hell are you talking about?

259 botheredbyapathy  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 7:18:04am

OK #247 I am a virgin here so forgive me I did not read or get your tinfoil comment
you are not an asshhhole

260 Occasional Reader  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 7:19:37am

#259 bothered: Apology accepted.

you are not an asshhhole

Well, I may well be, but not for that reason...

261 botheredby apathy  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 7:23:34am

Gracias for the apology and by the way I am often a bit of an ass myself

262 its jake  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 7:23:38am

He looks latino.

263 Emperor Misha I  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 7:26:20am

Keep it, delete it, I don't care either way. Not my blog, not my rules.

Anybody taking it literally is doing so because they want to, that's not my problem either.

264 Frank IBC  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 7:26:42am

Bothered -

All is forgiven. Welcome to LGF. ;)

265 Flaming Sword  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 7:27:05am

#261 botheredby apathy:

Welcome to LGF!

266 Occasional Reader  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 7:30:33am

#263 Misha:

Anybody taking it literally is doing so because they want to, that's not my problem either.

It might not be your problem, but it could be Charles' problem, if someone in fact takes a shot at Zogby, and the media then blames LGF.

267 botheredbyapathy  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 7:33:27am

#265 thanks for the welcome I will try to listen better and post after I read from now on
Owww that bullet hurt a bit but My aim will improve!

268 pope urban XXIII  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 7:42:20am

regarding the genetics thread...


You all are smarter than I am. Does the fact that the Egyptian maidservant Hagar was the mother have any significant impact on the genetics? Is it just that these people are decendents of a bastard son not in Gods grace?

I'm serious, Where, when and why did these people become satanic?

Just asking.

GWG

269 Emperor Misha I  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 7:42:47am
It might not be your problem, but it could be Charles' problem, if someone in fact takes a shot at Zogby, and the media then blames LGF.

Good point.

Not that I think that such a case would have much of a leg to stand on, but there sure isn't any sense in risking it because of one silly comment.

Again, good point.

270 Occasional Reader  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 7:47:56am

#269 Emperor Misha I:

You do realize that acknowledging someone else's "good point" isn't very imperial behavior? ; )

271 jpick  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 8:03:56am

Gee, there's nothing as awful as the bloody, honest truth, is there, leftists? We all know who want to kill us. Arabs, mostly males and some females. But heaven forbid if we actually ever come out and say it.

I admire the Bush Administration for having the guts to play hardball for once.

272 Emperor Misha I  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 8:06:48am
You do realize that acknowledging someone else's "good point" isn't very imperial behavior? ; )

Yeah, I know. I keep slipping from time to time ;-)

273 Occasional Reader  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 8:09:57am

Misha: repeat after me--

SILENCE, DOG!!!

Now that's imperial.

(You should also brush up on your use of "SEIZE THEM!!!")

274 Millie Woods  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 8:53:19am

Gordon, get a life. Any sixty something delusional female who botoxes herself and dyes her girlish locks to infinity deserves smearing or worse and then when she tops it all off by getting ole wrinkly to the botulinus toxin parlor in the hope that maybe just maybe this lantern jawed freak will look human, well...

275 WriterMom  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 8:56:27am

#193 James, I re-read your post and stand guilty as accused of overreacting. However, I would suggest that in the future-you give better clues like identifying "they" follow this or that logic...or saying the PC people say: whatever.

Some of us get mighty jumpy when we are not sufficiently caffeinated early morning eastern time.

276 azul93gt  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 9:01:40am

#218 German Observer

So what did Kerry say then? Did he withhold his yes to the war until the UN approved it?

I assumed that you were in Germany and may not be as aware of current events in America as, for example, an American citizen residing in America. You are correct Kerry voted for the war resolution, but typically he straddles both positions. Kerry has been railing against Bush for many months about unilateralism, defying our "allies"-ism, cowboy-ism, and go it alone-ism. His purported disagreement with Bush's lack of involving the UN is essentially the central theme of his campaign. According to Kerry that's how Bush F'ed it up.

If you want to diagram sentences to try to pretend that Kerry has been a Gung-Ho supporter of the present President's administration's WoT you're fooling no one but yourself. The premise of the accusation against Kerry is correct. He claims now that he did not want the US to take military action against Iraq without the blessing and "support" of the UN even after it has been shown that the UN repeatedly failed to support their own resolutions to use force against Iraq.

277 down with apathy  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 9:23:53am

WHOAAA! that was superb #276
slam another nail in that coffin!

278 sefton  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 10:43:26am

downwithapathy
Your keyboard seems to stttick.

279 Jack Frost  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 10:57:50am

Gordon

Maybe this blog should be renamed: Little Green Footballs - a subsidiary of the Committee to Re-elect the President.

I know! Bush can do no wrong here.
276

He claims now that he did not want the US to take military action against Iraq without the blessing and "support" of the UN even after it has been shown that the UN repeatedly failed to support their own resolutions to use force against Iraq.

I am no fan of the UN. It probably should be dismantled and become a museum of postWW2 history. But this argument is FAR less persuasive now that the UN had real reason to be skeptical about the urgency for going into Iraq.

280 zulubaby  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 1:04:57pm

Jack Frost (#279)

I know! Bush can do no wrong here.

Do you and I read the same blog? I agree that there are posters who won't hear a word against Bush, but that certainly does not go for everyone. Anyway, it's nice that you're here, at least Gordo has a friend.

281 azul93gt  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 1:22:11pm

#279 Jack Frost 3/12/2004

But this argument is FAR less persuasive now that the UN had real reason to be skeptical about the urgency for going into Iraq.

Was the UN right? As far as I'm concerned the jury is still out, but for the nay sayers hindsight is 20/20. Although it seems like the corrupt UN had other reasons to allow Saddam to remain in power. (the usual graft, kickbacks and bribes)

Finally Saddam didn't live up to the terms of his agreements/UN resolutions for going on 12 years. Somebody had to put an end to Saddam's BS once and for all. Now it's done. Be happy.

282 Tresho  Fri, Mar 12, 2004 8:04:16pm

In a few more months the GOP will be running ads saying "A vote for Kerry is a vote for Osama" and the Dems will be saying "A vote for Bush is a vote for Hitler". You read it here first.

283 The Hussar  Sat, Mar 13, 2004 9:39:08pm

I jsut lvoe to see those Bush commercials as I recall him shaking hands with Al Arain at teh White House and
letting Ibrahim Hooper and CAIR run around in Washington untouched...

Please, it's just too much bullshit...


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