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Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 8:03:42 am PST

Daniel Pipes weighs in on the connection between radical Islamic front group CAIR and the Tides Foundation—the far-left “charity” organization funded in part by Teresa Heinz Kerry: Teresa Heinz and CAIR.

The wife of the Democratic candidate for president of the United States, John Kerry, appears to be giving money to the Council on American-Islamic Relations, an organization I have for two years characterized as standing “on the wrong side in the war on terrorism.” Here’s the connection:

The Capital Research Center, an agency that tracks non-profits and charities, indicates that the Howard Heinz Endowment (which Teresa F. Heinz chairs) gave some $4 million to the Tides Center during the period 1998-2001, or about $1 million a year. In addition, the Vira I. Heinz Endowment (where Teresa sits on the board) gave $75,000 to the Tides Foundation in 1998.

(Heinz Endowment funds going to Tides have come under intense media scrutiny of late, prompting Tides to post a press release on the topic on March 11, 2004; but CAIR has not been part of the discussion until now.)

The Tides Center and the Tides Foundation both make up part of what are called the “Tides Family of Organizations” (leave it to the far left to use the word family in this way), as is Groundspring.org.

CAIR is among the organizations Tides has announced it is “privileged” to support.

So here is the unfortunate linkage: John Kerry—Teresa Heinz—Heinz Endowments—Tides Family of Organizations—CAIR.

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1 RIP Ford  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 6:05:27am

Charles you're smearing Kerry again. Facts have no place in politics.

/El Gordo

2 John P  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 6:09:23am

If ONLY I could vote in American elections...sigh..

3 Catbert  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 6:09:37am

Hopefully, Best of the Web, NRO, Hugh Hewitt and talk radio will pick this up.

4 WriterMom  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 6:15:04am

Excellent find.

I feel privileged to be able to feel nauseated about their lunatic and moonbat coddling funding first thing in the morning.

I am sure this will get widespread pick up and it's going to be really funny to hear their reactions.

Was there ever any play about John Kerry's grandfather being Jewish? In the Canadian Jewish News they had a thing about a Boston Globe expose where they said his grandfather was an Austrian Jew who changed his name, blah blah...Kerry was "shocked" by the info, just like Madeline Albright *snort*.

Anyway, nice to see that the grandson of a Jewish immigrant is giving to CAIR.

5 Lickmuffin  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 6:16:13am

A little OT: Blatant media bias here. Check out the second headline: Republicans blast Spain's new government.

I know they want to blame the bombings on Buhs, but... crikey!

6 CowboyEngineer  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 6:16:15am

Some Threadjack Goodness: Fark is carrying an item about how Euro newspapers Photoshopped out a severed limb in a train bombing picture to make it less shocking. How 'bout that? AQ spin control, courtesy of the Euro media...

7 quark2  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 6:16:36am

It will be interesting to see who picks up with this after Hanson and runs with it. I want to see this on major media like teevee.
I think Kerry can set a new speed record of how many times he can flip flop in one sentence.

8 Yehudit  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 6:18:21am

Speaking of Pipes, he gave a speech at a university that was (mildly) disrupted. The leader of the disruption was the head of the local ACLU chapter. i.e. the organization which is supposed to be a watchdog for free speech.

I will grant that the disruption didn't prevent Pipes from speaking, although from the description it sounds annoying. So technically this guy wasn't violating the principles of his organization.

But if I had been considering re-joining the ACLU, whose work I totally support in principle - not now.

9 observer  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 6:18:46am

Don't you just gotta love the way Groundspring.org, one member of the Tides family, describes MoveOn.org:

"Providing a forum for ordinary people to oppose the war with Iraq."

Ah yes, those "ordinary" people. Common. Folks. The guy who changes your oil at Jiffy Lube. The waitress at the diner. The doorman at your East 77th Street condo. Those. The masses. We simply must help them understand.

Be wary when certain elites, the "lovers of humankind "(Paul Johnson) talk that way.

10 Thom  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 6:18:57am

Our pal, Mexico

Not since America’s mid-century experience with communism has there been such an organized effort at subverting our country’s political institutions. As reported in the Washington Times, local and statewide illegal immigrant advocacy groups and Hispanic groups, whose memberships include illegal immigrants as well as Mexicans who have become legal immigrants or citizens, coordinate with the Instituto de los Mexicanos en el Exterior to agitate for access to public services for illegal aliens in the United States.
11 David Simon  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 6:20:06am

Perusing through their 2002 Form 990 is enlightening. Not only did they give money to CAIR (to be fair it was only $5,000), they gave money to ACT UP and other wacko special interest groups. Nice to know that the democratic nominee for president supports crazed nihilists.

12 Montaigne's Cat  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 6:21:59am

RIP Ford #1

Yesterday on the talk radio station in Pittsburgh, two talk show hosts were having a discussion. The early morning host is conservative, the late morning host is liberal. At one point the liberal host said to the conservative: "Don't give me facts and logic, I'm not going to let you get away with that trick."

13 Montaigne's Cat  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 6:25:28am

CowboyEngineer #6

About two days ago at LGF zulubaby posted the orginal photo and 3 expurgated photos. Sorry I don't know which thread, maybe somebody else does.

14 pat  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 6:25:28am

And what do these disparate groups have in common? Hatred of the American people. When Kerry says he loves America, you can be sure he is merely referencing the geography.

15 Ed Moran:Abu Mel Gibson Chanukkah Movie?  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 6:27:08am

Not to get all Black Helicopters/Vince Foster Suicide Conspiracy Theory Here.

But why would an Arch-VillainessLiberal like Contessa Teresa have married a conservative like Senator Heinz? And what exactly did happen to his airplane?

16 RIP Ford  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 6:28:35am

#12 Montaigne's Cat

LOL

17 Ed Moran:Abu Mel Gibson Chanukkah Movie?  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 6:38:14am

She met John Kerry in 1990, after being introduced by her first husband, ketchup magnate and Senator John Heinz. This was the only known time that Teresa and John Kerry met while she was married to Heinz. After John Heinz died in a airplane accident in 1991, the then-Teresa Heinz inherited his vast fortune. She and John Kerry ran into each other again at Rio de Janeiro, Brazil in 1992 at a United Nations sponsored environmental summit. They were married in 1995.


Heinz and six other people were killed when a Bell 412 SP helicopter collided with the Senator's Piper Aerostar plane over a schoolyard in Merion, Pennsylvania. All aboard the two aircraft and two children playing outside the school were killed. The helicopter had been dispatched to check out a problem Heinz's plane was having with its landing gear. While moving in for a closer look, the helicopter's rotor blades struck the bottom of the plane, causing both aircraft to lose control and crash. He was interred in the Heinz family mausoleum in Homewood Cemetery, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

Source


Sounds like an accident, but never underestimate the power of the Vast Left Wing Conspiracy.

18 foreign devil  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 6:38:15am

I'm glad that people of the gravitas of Daniel Pipes are now bringing this up and airing it where it can be discussed in mainstream forums. I'd just like to remind everyone that this connection and scandal first saw the light of day on LGF several weeks ago. Another newsmaker for LGFers!

19 gymnast  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 6:40:28am

The Kerry family is taking "Spring Break" in Sun Valley. The weather is springlike and the slopes are either ice in the mornings or slush in the afternoons. Not very safe ski conditions, but he may he may try to bullshit his way down the mountain anyway. Heres hoping.

20 follow the money  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 6:41:20am

#15

I've been wondering myself why a dyed in the wool lefty like Mrs Heinz would have been married to a republican. Was Senator Heinz particularly liberal in his voting record?

Was she just after political power from whatever side of the aisle she could get it.

As a conservative, I would have a serious problem dating a LLL, let alone marrying one. So, what was she doing with Heinz for all of those years if it wasn't for his money and access to his political power?

If she wasn't always a lefty, what was it that made her political views change?

I'm not looking forward to seeing this woman in the White House.

21 freedomsound  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 6:41:54am
History was made in Chennai between 9 to 19 January 2004 when the state-of-the-art exhibition on the theme “Peace: Vision of Islam” was held...

Models such as that of a building standing straight and a building falling down drawing parallel between a Strong, true Believer and a weak Believer; a Cradle and Grave giving the message that life is not permanent; Spider’s web explaining the futility of the worship of false gods; and many more – these models made a lasting impression on the minds of the visitors.


Muslim Students’ Association hosts Islam Awareness Week...

“We cannot attach the actions of Islamic people, be that right or wrong, with Islamic culture or religion itself,” said Badawi...

To most Muslim people, Islamic culture does not have to conform to human standards; if it did, it would change the word of the prophet Mohammed, and that in turn would be the ultimate ignorance, said Badawi.

The misuse of the word jihad by the media since Sept. 11, 2001 was one of Badawi’s concerns. He explained that jihad is actually derived from the word jahada, meaning to struggle. Therefore, jihad means the act of struggling.

Muslims in a British city are concerned over advertisements featuring women's bottoms...

'Velvet' toilet paper that urges consumers to 'love your bum', and G-string and bikini bottom billboards have provoked an outcry in Bradford, home to thousands of Muslims originating from Mirpur in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir...

Azam's statement follows damage caused to a billboard close to a Bradford mosque that featured G-strings on four women's bottoms. Anonymous protestors have also slashed another billboard elsewhere in the city that advertises women's underwear.

The campaign against advertisements that offend family values started four years ago when angry Bradford residents slapped paint across a bra advertisement featuring tennis pinup star Anna Kournikova.

22 Yehudit  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 6:43:26am

This is OT but there was a hate crime hoax at a college in California. A professor who was supposedly the victim turned out to have perpetrated the vandalism herself. Unbelievable.

23 RIP Ford  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 6:44:16am

#20 follow the money

It's not unheard of.
James Carville and Mary Matalin

24 Glen Wishard  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 6:45:34am

Ben Johnson at FrontPage on where all that ketchup money goes:

During the years 1995-2001, the Howard Heinz Endowment, which Heinz Kerry chairs, gave Tides more than $4.3 million...
Tides established the Iraq Peace Fund and the Peace Strategies Fund to fund the antiwar movement. These projects fueled such hysterical protest organizations as MoveOn.org, the website that recently featured two separate commercials portraying George W. Bush as Adolf Hitler ... Most disturbing is the link to Ramsey Clark’s International Action Center, which has supported Slobodan Milosevic and North Korean strongman Kim Jong-Il. The IAC is the force behind International ANSWER, which sponsored the major antiwar (and anti-Bush) rallies before the invasion of Iraq. When ANSWER was outed as a Communist organization, United for Peace and Justice, headed by longtime Communist Party member Leslie Cagan was created as a "moderate" alternative. UFPJ is also a Tides grant recipient ...

Besides CAIR, there are all the usual Georgetown-Stalinist organizations on the Tides Foundation gravy train, like the National Lawyers Guild and the William Kunstler "Center for Constitutional Rights".

But then, maybe this has nothing to do with Kerry after all:

She only adopted his last name and political party registration less than 18 months ago. “Politically, it's going to be Heinz Kerry,” she recently said. “But I don't give a sh-t, you know?”


Ouch, I hope that if Kerry wins this mean lady doesn't do the thing where she goes around the country and reads books to school children.

25 Yehudit  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 6:45:56am

PS to the hate crime hoax. Turns out the victim/perpetrator is a professor of psychology. You can't make this stuff up.

26 Miss Defy  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 6:47:22am

Well when I brought this up to a Kerry supporter, the retort was "Laura Bush killed someone".

27 Ed Moran:Abu Mel Gibson Chanukkah Movie?  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 6:47:37am

19


Gymnast

Are you suggesting that John F-ing Kerry imitate another fine Kennedy tradition of touch football while slaloming through the trees?

Go deep for the pass, Senator

28 RIP Ford  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 6:48:59am

#26 Miss Defy

"Laura Bush killed someone".

What?

29 Ed Moran:Abu Mel Gibson Chanukkah Movie?  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 6:50:39am
Kennedy was killed while skiing with friends and family as they tossed around a water bottle they were using as a football while skiing down an intermediate slope. Witnesses said Kennedy was also videotaping the activity and slammed into a tree after catching the makeshift ball.

Link (New)

30 RIP Ford  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 6:52:17am

#26 Miss Defy

Nevermind, I found it.

31 andrew  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 6:52:29am

#28 RIP Ford

Yes, she was driving a car and accidently killed a high school classmate when she was 17. No alcohol or drugs onvolved.

32 WriterMom  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 6:53:00am

#19 gymnast

he may try to bullshit his way down the mountain anyway. Heres hoping.

Then he'll need some of these under his snowpants.

33 andrew  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 6:54:35am

And no alcohol or drugs involved, either.

34 RIP Ford  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 6:54:55am

#31 andrew

I had forgotten 'bout that. For anyone else, this is what I found.

35 andrew  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 6:58:27am

#34 RIP Ford

Oh, I thought I was the only person that knew about it.

;-)

36 observer  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 7:03:09am

#34, RIP Ford

I just read the article. She ran a red light, someone was killed, but no charges were filed.
Isn't that a bit unusual, even if she was 17 and no drugs or alcohol were involved?

What would be the usual police/legal procedures in such a case?

37 quark2  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 7:04:32am

@12 Montaigne's Cat

*LMAO!

38 Glen Wishard  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 7:06:08am

Goddamn it, I knew it!

Teresa Heinz-I-could-give-a-shit-Kerry is already stalking America's children! Here is irrefutable proof at Teresa Heinz-I-could-give-a-shit-Kerry's "blog" (which is apparently actually blogged by a person with the unfortunate name of "DickBell").

Now, I know something about these Georgetown Stalinists who blither about "reproductive justice" and "wellness" ... they hate children, especially their own. There ought to be restraining orders on all them to stay away from schools and day care centers.

39 gymnast  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 7:06:41am

#27, Ed Moran, ect. Now there's a thought I hadn't thunk of. Rumer has it that my man, the Reverand Al, may be coming in for the weekend so's that he and the Senator can do some skatin' together. Maybe they will do a remake of 'Sun Valley Serenade'. Theresa can do the Sonya Hennye (sp?) part. If "The Terminator" shows up at his place, mayber he can do the action scenes.

40 foreign devil  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 7:07:06am

CAIR's machinations in getting close to the Bush Presidency having been exposed by David Horowitz' excellent FrontpageMag.com in Frank Gaffney's excellent "A Troubling Influence" last September,

[Link: 209.157.64.200...]

is now, once again, beavering away through the Kerry campaign to secure access, by way of applying for and receiving charitable donations from Mrs. Heinz-Kerry's charitable organizations, should there be a Kerry administration. Nice try, Ibrahim Cooper! This time we were waaay ahead of you!

41 Right Wing Conspirator  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 7:07:08am

OT - I was going to post this yesterday but everything got a little hectic. So now you can start off the morning with a good laugh. Or laughs.

The .577 Tyrannosaur, on the other hand, was named for its insanely high muzzle energy, which tips the scales at 13,700 joules (by way of comparison, the standard high-powered military/sniper .308 rifle cartridge delivers approximately 4,000 joules).


Four hapless guys trying their hand at firing a .577 Tyrannosaur-chambered Hannibal hunting rifle.


Yow how howza !!!

42 Miss Defy  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 7:08:25am

I didn't really know what to say after that. You can go on about teenage irresponsiblity turns into tragedy vs. adult complicity in gutter politics - but at a certain point you just have to shut up I guess. I don't know. It's a difficult topic.

43 quark2  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 7:11:52am

@26 Miss Defy

You're nothing more than a shit stirring troll. First Lady Laura Bush was involved in a terrible automobile accident.
There's not anything in common with what you are alluding too.

44 Glen Wishard  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 7:14:19am

#25 - Yehudit

Hmmm - that psychology prof looks as white as Patty Hearst to me. What kind of "racial slurs" did she write on her car?

More importantly from Claremont's point of view, did she spell them correctly, and use proper punctuation?

45 RIP Ford  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 7:15:06am

#36 observer

''As far as we know, no charges were filed,'' said Midland city attorney Keith Stretcher. ''I don't think it's unusual that charges weren't filed.''

Midland was a small town, at the time. I suspect that the local police felt that jail time was unwarranted. Her punishment would be her having to live with the guilt for the rest of her life. From what I read, the other kids parents didn't seem to push the issue and so no charges were filed. I had a friend in highschool who was speeding a slammed into a oak tree, killing his girlfriend. The girls parents didn't want charges filed, so none were...

46 Miss Defy  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 7:16:23am

#43

Frig off asshole. I have been a long-time reader and supporter of LGF. What did I actually say that was so troll-like you dumbass? I brought up a conversation that I had had with someone who threw that back in my face when I brought up the Teresa Kerry topic.

Learn to read properly, moron.

47 quark2  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 7:20:08am

Laura Bush has openingly talked about this accident. She lives with the repercussions of it every day of her life. The boy who was killed was a friend of hers.
The four way where the accident occured was known for accidents before she was involved. It was not a red light, it was a stop sign. Laura had just gotten her drivers license when this happened. She didn't drive for some time after that. There was no political overtones in the fact no charges were filed, as the intersection had already seen accidents before hers. I don't think her parents had any political weight where she lived

48 observer  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 7:20:42am

#45, RIP Ford

Your explanation sounds right. Same accident, in different surroundings and with publicity, could generate different consequences.

49 RIP Ford  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 7:23:22am

#43 quark2

Whoa, call off the hounds!

50 RIP Ford  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 7:26:10am

#48 observer

Same accident, in different surroundings and with publicity, could generate different consequences.

Possibly, it would probably be a whole different ball game if one of the Bush twins had a similar accident. It would be a media/plolitical circus.

51 zulubaby  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 7:26:22am

Yehudit (#22)

I had posted about that incident last week. I can't believe it was done by one of the professors there.

The colleges were galvanized after a Claremont McKenna professor's car was vandalized and covered in racist, anti-Semitic and sexist epithets on Tuesday night.

The incident occurred while the professor, who was not identified, was speaking at a forum about the need for tolerance and racial harmony at the colleges. When she returned to the parking lot, she found her tires slashed, windows broken and $1,700 worth of property stolen, police said.

Thanks for the update. What a disgrace this woman is! I'm glad in a way that it turned out to be a hoax although I'm sure the police can't be too happy with her.

52 sefton  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 7:27:51am

Miss Defy-

Why can't we all just get along?

53 Gordon  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 7:33:34am

Oh dear, it's "unfortunate linkage" time. It's too bad a reputable scholar like Daniel Pipes, who has so much useful insight to give us on the Middle East and Islam, has to stoop to "connect-the-dots" smeary innuendo. And of course Charles links to it. Surprise, surprise!

Here's another potential linkage for you (fictional, but plausible):

Charles plays for Al Jarreau, who bought all his music equipment from Bawdy House Music Co., the owner of whom has given money to the Ford Foundation, which has given money to Islamic Charities Inc., which has given money to CAIR. Therefore we have:

Charles-Al Jarreau-Bawdy House Music-Ford Foundation-Islamic Charities Inc.-CAIR. What an "unfortunate linkage."

The game is called "Seven Degrees of Kevin Bacon" or something like that. This is just another version of it.

A version with all 57 varieties of Heinz condiments smeared all over it.

54 Right Wing Conspirator  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 7:35:27am

Hey. I thought you already posted that at #1.

55 Morgan  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 7:36:23am

Leftwing foundations are financing antisemitism all over the world. The animals who attacked Jews in Durban, South Africa at the UN Racism meeting were paid by the Ford Foundation. Ford has also given tens of millions of dollars to Palestinian groups which carry out attacks against Israeli civilians.

56 Glen Wishard  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 7:37:30am

#51 - zulubaby

Here is Asst. Prof. Dunn quoted on a Claremont website a few days ago:

Dunn believes that she was targeted because she has been so outspoken in recent weeks regarding the many bias related incidents that have been exposed throughout the Claremont Colleges ... “I would be damned if I let my friends, good people, people of color, and women even, be terrorized by these few characters who don’t have enough of a spine to participate in an open a dialogue with intellect,” Dunn said ... “This issue is now going to be in the consciousness of people who teach here,” she said. “People are getting it, they are coming together, they reject hate, and they want diversity.”

I guess her idea of opening an intellectual dialogue is to spray-paint her own car, causing a university to cancel classes. This is why I never trust anybody who talks about "opening a dialogue" ...

57 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 7:38:48am

These LLLs are unbelievable.
The fact that the possible first lady of the US finances muslim fanatics and communist organizations...he calls it "smearing innuendo".

If ever, for any reason, I had a doubt about the good faith of these idiots, their posts here would always remind me of the real danger for Freedom that the leftist subversives are.

58 V the K  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 7:40:14am

The link seems somewhat tenuous, but there is no reason not to point it out and let each reader decide its importance for himself. This isn't like the left-wing media, where loyal partisan journalists pedagogically explain to the unwashed "what it all means."

59 observer  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 7:40:25am

OT

Item #6 under World News: "Poland Misled on Iraq, President Says,"---OOPS, it just disappeared.

On Monday we had a spirited thread on Poland--"True Friends."

Time to "reevaluate?"

New Poland, new thread?

60 Steve Young  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 7:40:29am

If this foundation operates as a donor advised fund -- one in which various grant applicants look or other foundations or individuals to fund their projects and the funds donated are limited to those purposes -- then this is a tempest in a teapot and simply another attempt at character assasination. So far, the only documented contirbutions from Heinz through a Tides foundation were for specific environamental projects in Pennsylvania. If Heinz is making contributions to support the Foundation's general activities, and those activites include CAIR or Ramsey Clarke's group, then there are grounds for complaint. But meanwhile, it's smear first and ask questions later.

61 Athos  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 7:40:55am

Gordo -

That twisted example is a new low for even you.

"Don't give me facts and logic, I'm not going to let you get away with that trick."

That certainly applies to you. Particularly since all Charles does (yet again) is post info from someone else without personal commentary. Why not refute the facts in the piece as opposed to cry SMEAR?

62 gymnast  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 7:41:12am

Speaking of unfortunate linkages... a cymbal, poorly played becomes annoying,

63 foreign devil  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 7:42:58am

Miss Defy:

Stick to your guns. I understood your post and the spirit in which it was meant. Your friend didn't bother to look at the implications for the goverment of the subject you raised and used that comeback to fob you off. Even if true (and it seems it is) what Laura did at 17 is not likely to damage her government today while maintaining close ties with CAIR, who's raison d'etre is to undermine the US government or any kufhr government at any cost while cloaking itself in the mantle of promoting Arab-US relations.

64 V the K  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 7:46:26am

#61 -- What Athos said.

#62 gymnast

a cymbal, poorly played becomes annoying,

If you immediately know the candlelight is fire, the meal was cooked a long time ago.

65 Glen Wishard  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 7:48:23am

Gordon, you're having trouble coloring inside the lines again:

Oh dear, it's "unfortunate linkage" time. It's too bad a reputable scholar like Daniel Pipes, who has so much useful insight to give us on the Middle East and Islam, has to stoop to "connect-the-dots" smeary innuendo. And of course Charles links to it. Surprise, surprise!

Don't tell me you don't know how to play connect-the-dots - hell, you guys invented it, any Democrat worth his salt can get from George Bush to Enron in two or three moves.

However, this is not connect-the-dots. She doesn't have connections to the Tides Foundation, she sits on the board of a foundation that gives them money.

Your argument (for want of a better word) is like saying that it is smeary innuendo to suggest that The Committee to Elect Howard Dean has connections to Howard Dean.

66 Athos  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 7:48:43am

OT - Frontpage Magazine has an interview with VDH - Spain's Surrender

VDH gets right to the point with analysis of the Madrid attack and the pronouncements of the PM elect -

Well, even before the terrorists' communiques were fully disseminated the Spanish electorate voted for appeasement and a socialist government that would distance itself from the United States. This is the most profound example of capitulation since Daladier and Chamberlain and sets a truly awful example: will British, Polish, Italian, and American elections now be presaged by mass murder on the assumption that decadent, affluent Westerners can be intimidated in fear of attacks?

Worse, this was not panic from a fickle leader but an overwhelming expression of public fear and intimidation. I am afraid it confirms what most of us have thought for some time about the Europeans: they want our bases and troops, but only in the shadows and with avenues of distance and denial, as a last guarantee only of their safety in extremis. I wish the Spanish had voted to expel our soldiers as well--but perhaps that will be in the next terrorist demand. And note that the Greeks, who slurred NATO in the Balkans, did nothing for it in Aghanistan, and trashed the US over Iraq, find a bomb at a Citibank office and suddenly are talking of NATO help in their Olympic security-even as the hated Americans are offering our commandos for joint practice operations with them against potential terrorist-like incursions.

As for Spain-and I say this with real remorse given their suffering and national catastrophe-not since Theodosius and the late Romans paid their annual bribe money to Attila have we seen such success in bullying and terrifying a Western nation. It is right off the pages of Gibbon in his discussion of how weak, wealthy, and fearful Westerners paid Goths and Huns before Adrianople and Chalons. And this is the beginning not the end of it, as we shall soon see.

All Americans feel terrible about the Spanish mass murder, but how can we express our solidarity when the reaction is to repudiate both us and Spaniards who were allied with us? And contrast the American example: 26 days after 9-11 we were in Afghanistan attacking the Taliban and al Qaeda; the Spaniards n 48 hours were turning out to apologize. A sad day for the West.

Well said. There's more. Read it.

67 V the K  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 7:51:05am

I have a creepy feeling like Gordo is stalking me.

68 Smit  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 7:51:14am

Remember the fun old days when Moogirl had a mysterious 'Moo Moo' tagline added to all her posts.

I nominate Gordon's to be:

"Mustard smear"

69 TalkinKamel  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 7:53:33am

#53 Gordon

Heh, heh, heh, as usual, you do not understand what is really going on behind the scenes, Gordon! I own the Bawdy House Music Co., and all their money goes to ME, Baldwin the Leper King, future ruler of earth!

I need that dough for my lovely Gitmo Vice girls, so they can go to the beauty parlour, make themselves pretty, and continue to corrupt upright Islamic prisoners!

I also need it to pay off my psychic, performing dolphins, who are brainwashing people into boycotting Heinz ketchup (the dolphins have an unfortunate tendency to loose money at the race track---but, what can you do? Good psychic help is hard to find these days. My lizardroid minions like to bet on the ponies too.)

And now that I own the Bawdy House Music Co., I'm going to release hit CD's to further brainwash mankind, the scrumptious Gitmo Vice ladies singing, and the lizardoids making up the band! Our first big hit will be, "Declear the Crudase and be unite!" It will send subliminal messages to my mind-slaves everywhere to BOYCOTT HEINZ KETCHUP AND SAY MEAN THINGS ABOUT THERESA HEINZ AND THE TIDES FOUNDATION!

Ain't I a stinker?

Baldwin IV, the musically inclined Leper King

70 zulubaby  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 7:54:15am

Glen Wishard (#56)

What a lunatic. These are the people who are teaching our children, that's the part that frightens me.

71 David Simon  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 7:54:18am

#60 Steve Young - Fair enough, but did you read the press release? In the penultimate paragraph, it says that the foundation employs donor advised funds, but doesn't mention that the money received from the Heinz' endowment funds was restricted. In the second paragraph, the press release makes a statement about monies received from 1994 - 1998. What about 1999 - present? Don't you think that's a bit odd?

72 quark2  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 7:55:08am

@46 MsDEfy

Pardon me, but I've been a long time poster. Your way of posting really put me off. I don't just 'read' the words, I also look at the intent of the poster in the way the words are used in any given sentence.
Your sentencing was reminescent of VFI.

Otherwise my apologies, and the name calling stops here.
I'll be sure to put you on my scrollover list.

73 Ronnie  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 7:55:53am

#23 RIP Ford

"James Carville and Mary Matalin"

Kind of reminds a person of prostitution... Obviously what they say and what they really believe are two different things. Say anything for the money, power, etc. Ah, sweet integrity and veracity, how they shine forth when the facade is scratched just a tad.

74 Gary Bruce  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 7:57:18am

Continuing fallout from the Spanish surrender:

Honduras will pull out its 370 troop contingent this June, along with Spain.

Today, the Polish president criticized the US and said they'll pull out their 2,400 troops before their term of engagement is up.

By MONIKA SCISLOWSKA, Associated Press Writer

WARSAW, Poland - Poland, which has about 2,400 troops in Iraq and was a strong supporter of the U.S.-led invasion, was "misled" about the threat from Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction, its president said Thursday.

...

Earlier in the day, Kwasniewski said Poland may start withdrawing its troops from Iraq early next year, months earlier than the previously stated date of mid-2005.

"Naturally, one may protest the reasons for the war action in Iraq. I personally think that today, Iraq without Saddam Hussein is a truly better Iraq than with Saddam Hussein," Kwasniewski told the European reporters.

"But naturally I also feel uncomfortable due to the fact that we were misled with the information on weapons of mass destruction," he said, according to a transcript released by the presidential press office.

Those comments came days after Spain's new government, taking power in the wake of the Madrid bombings with their apparent link to Islamic extremists, said it would pull its troops from Iraq by June 30 unless the United Nations takes over.

...

Poland commands a 9,500-strong multinational force in south-central Iraq that includes the Spaniards.

...

He insisted, however, that Poland was staying the course in Iraq and would not bow to terror.

"We are facing the same threat as Spain," Kwasniewski said, but he stressed that "terrorism must be combatted, also with force."

75 zulubaby  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 7:57:18am

Gordon the Tedious has changed his battle cry from "RACIST!!" to "SMEAR!!". It's boring already.

76 Ed Moran:Abu Mel Gibson Chanukkah Movie?  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 7:58:39am

Isn't it obvious why Laura Bush wasn't charged?


Even though she hadn't yet met GWB, the former Senator Prescott Bush and his nefarious son George Herbert Walker Bush had already identified the young Laura Welch as the woman who would most help GWB get elected President, and they had to keep her record clean. A few calls to the Midland County DA and the Mayor (Both secret 33rd order Masons) was all it took to drop the case.


It was this same group that "adjusted" the steering on Ted Kennedy's car and slipped a quaalude into his Rob Roy on Martha's Vineyard.


Although Prescott Bush is now dead, the conspiracy continues with Caspar Weinberger, Dick Cheney and Binjamin Netanyahu. Their most recent dirty deed was pouring some liquid "X" into Howard Dean's Diet Pepsi on election night in Iowa.

77 RIP Ford  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 7:59:29am

#73 Ronnie

Yea, I don't know how those two get along at all...

78 andrew  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:01:06am

#76 Ed Moran

Ed, you know perfectly well that the Loch Ness Monster and Major League Baseball are involved as well. Are you trying to cover up their inolvement?

79 gymnast  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:01:19am

#68, Smit. "Skidmark" would be far more appropriate. It's like he goes through life with a chronic wedgee because his shorts don't fit and he's crying out for help but doesn't quite know that he has to solve his own problem. He leaves "skidmarks" on about every thread he posts. It's only a terminal problem if hie mother kills him.

80 zulubaby  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:02:14am

Yehudit, Glen, here is a picture of Dunn's car. Maybe she just hated her car.

81 RoP really chappin' my hide  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:02:58am

76 Ed Moran Abu LOL!

--Needle-- --Needle-- You cheeky monkey

82 foreign devil  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:03:16am

Another unfortunate connection (there's so MANY of them, aren't there?) is one of the Tides 'Family' of 501(c)3 non-profit tax exempt organizations, ACT-MA, which sponsors and disperses Tides money to their group, OnePalestine.org, the same people who almost attacked Prof. Alan Dershowitz outside Faneuil Hall, Boston on the night of Feb.22/04, calling him "Hitler" and "Goebbels". He had to be rescued from these punks carrying ACT-MA signs and no other identification, by Boston police who bustled him into a car and rode several blocks with him to make sure he wasn't followed. He described the incident recently in an article in Israel Insider and a poster on LGF met the Prof. in California just after the incident which he described as frightening.

All in all there are a NUMBER of connections to Mrs. Heinz-Kerry, all of them unfortunate.

83 V the K  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:09:24am

#68, Smit.

"Skidmark" would be far more appropriate.

Skidmark was a character in the movie "Kingpin" played by Roger Clemons

Roger Clemons was in "Kingpin" with Bill Murray
Bill Murray was in "Groundhog Day" with Brian Doyle Murray
Brian Doyle Murray was in "JFK" with Kevin Bacon

84 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:10:01am

#53 Gordon

Dude, you are really weird.

Learn the Truth About Islam

85 scaramouche  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:10:03am

The Tides Foundation is actually an LLL money-laundering operation disguised as a charity--and with a tax-exempt status to boot:

[Link: www.capitalresearch.org...]

86 RoP really chappin' my hide  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:10:33am

The worst connection of all: Heinz-Kerry linked to bad ergonomics! Money quote:

Being able to write my name on the wiener is good enough.
87 Ronnie  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:12:28am

#77 RIP Ford

"Yea, I don't know how those two get along at all.."

I'd imagine like any other married couple; some good days, some bad, but mostly just living life... Their occupations however are just that, occupations; they'll sell out to the highest bidder. They offer a commodity that's up for sale to the highest bidder. There are a lot of theologians who do the same. Results: Homosexual bishops and divorce in the church, with children hooked on drugs. It aligns with the concept of prostitution; no money, no honey!

88 Yoyo  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:14:58am

#74 Gary Bruce

WTF??? The brave Poles are bending over without even getting bombed?

89 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:16:03am

#85 Scaramouche

Excellent link. Thank you.
Everybody should see it, save it, print it and talk about it with family and friends.
Excellent.

90 Glen Wishard  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:16:33am

Steve Young:

So far, the only documented contirbutions from Heinz through a Tides foundation were for specific environamental projects in Pennsylvania.

No. The Tides Center for Western Pennslyvania was built using $1.6 million Heinz-bucks. It is not a specific environmental project in Pennslyvania, it's a branch office of the SF Tides Foundation.

Want some documents to prove that? Follow the links at their website, you can download them in .pdf format.

91 Bourgeois Reactionary  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:17:36am

"Defined and driven by donor participation, Tides Initiatives fund critical and cutting-edge issues that tend to receive little foundation support. Donors who take part in Tides Initiatives join with like-minded people to make strategic funding decisions and increase the impact of their charitable giving."
[Link: www.tidesfoundation.org...]

My bolding; donors (like TeRAYsa)...

Gordon - 'Pardon me, but do you have any Grey Poupon™?'

92 Thom  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:18:35am

#41 Right Wing Conspirator

WTF? Did you see Taliban Olympics??

93 Right Wing Conspirator  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:18:53am

#78 Andrew

So one of those Egg Council creeps got to you too, huh?

94 Ed Moran:Abu Mel Gibson Chanukkah Movie?  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:19:22am

The baseball pitcher?

95 Smit  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:19:50am

V the K - ;)

Kevin Bacon, - My least favourite man's name with my least favourite meat product.

96 Right Wing Conspirator  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:21:20am

#92 Thom

Yeah. I am pretty sure (I hope) that is fake. Kinda like an ESPN commercial for wherever that is. Still funny though.

97 andrew  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:22:09am

#93 RWC

Well, I like to eat eggs...

Okay, I admit it - I don't know what I'm talking about. You always weasel the truth out of me.

98 observer  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:22:19am

#80, zulubaby

In academe today, you ain't nothin' unless you're a victim. Victimhood=identity.
Victim of what? Why, anything. The tyranny of English grammar. The brutality of Aristotelean logic. The holy trinity of race-gender-class rules.

99 RoP really chappin' my hide  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:22:48am

92 Thom 41 RWC

Yeah I saw that, and wondered whether it was an Omani's idea of a joke.

100 Inside the Whale  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:25:04am

OT:

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (CNN) -- Pakistani forces have surrounded what may be a "high-value" al Qaeda target in Pakistan near the border with Afghanistan, President Pervez Musharraf told CNN.

Stay tuned...

101 RoP really chappin' my hide  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:25:22am

95 smit

Whaddya have against bacon!!?! Baconnn...mmm [droool] Besides, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and dem dar [bigoted word]s hate bacon.

102 Right Wing Conspirator  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:25:29am

#97 Andrew

Your not slacking off on your Simpsons are you. That is where I thought you were going with the MLB conspiracy.

Lenny: Aw, you've got it all wrong, Homer. It's not like that.
(a man in an egg costume creeps, then runs, away)
Homer: You'd better run, egg!
103 J.D.  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:27:41am
104 NY Nana  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:30:43am

OT, but there is an irony to this...the French suddenly have a wakened to the possibility of (gasp) terrorism striking Europe? Are they on a news-delay? As long as we were the ones targetted, they didn't give a damn. Spain is a bit too close to them, I take it. How they derided our Government's efforts at stopping terrorism!

[Link: www.eubusiness.com...]

French FM supports EU appointment of anti-terrorism supremo

18 March 2004

French Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin on Thursday backed a European Union proposal to appoint an anti-terrorism expert who would coordinate EU security measures in the wake of the Madrid attacks.

"I think it's a good idea," de Villepin told Radio France Internationale when asked about the idea of appointing a "Mr Terrorism" for the bloc, who would report to EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana.

"It's very important for us to... try to better coordinate our actions as Europeans -- that we have an official, a coordinator, as Javier Solana has proposed," the French minister added. ...

And this, speaking of the ever-lovely Kerry-Heinz partnership:

[Link: www.drudgereport.com...]

KERRY UNLOADED ITALIAN MANSION MONTH HE DECIDED WHITE HOUSE RUN; SOLD TO GEORGE CLOONEY AFTER BRAD PITT FINDER

Sen. John Kerry sold his foreign mansion in Italy just weeks before he announced a run for the White House in January of 2003, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

Actor George Clooney purchased the stunning 18th century mansion located in the Italian village of Laglio [50 miles north of Milan] from Kerry and his wife for $7,800,000. Clooney first learned about the listing from Brad Pitt, who had been holidaying with his wife Jennifer Aniston at Versace's compound nearby.

While Kerry and his wife's homes in the United States are worth at least $23,733,705, it is not clear if the candidate currently owns property overseas.

The campaign has repeatedly denied requests for any information on foreign assets held by Kerry.

105 andrew  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:30:52am

#102 RWC

I confess that I have been slacking on watching The Simpsons - I have almost a complete lack of TV reception where I live, and I can't afford a rooftop antenna, much less cable. Do you feel sorry for me? Can I get a little pity? I beg forgiveness in advance.

106 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:31:37am

Whatever the spelling: AL ZAWAHIRI is the target surrounded by th Pakistanis...
Local radio...

107 J.D.  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:33:27am

Oooo - Maybe there was something to it.

108 NY Nana  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:33:52am

OT, but hopeful!

[Link: www.sky.com...]

PAKISTAN: AL QAEDA TARGET SURROUNDED


Osama bin Laden's second in command has been surrounded in Pakistan, President Pervez Musharraf has told CNN.

Troops say they have cornered Ayman al-Zawahri in an operation near the Afghan border.


The operation, involving hundreds of troops and paramilitary rangers, has been carried out in the South Waziristan region.

The identity of the man surrounded has not been confirmed.

But President Musharraf said: "(Judging by) the resistance that is being offered by the people there, we feel that there may be a high value target."

Sky News' Foreign Affairs Editor Tim Marshall said: "Most people believe the number two is actually the brains (behind the al Qaeda network)."

And he added: "If it's true it is an enormous strike. It cannot be underestimated."

109 quark2  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:35:18am

@105 andrew

You're in the same boat as me. :)
I have an old time antenna outside of the house. There is a small dish still on the roof, but it's disconnected since 1998 and I plan on keeping it that way.
My dialup service wouldn't out run a turtle in a foot race either.

110 SoCalJustice  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:35:57am

(#80) zulubaby

Maybe she just wanted to "open up a dialogue" about insurance fraud.

111 Right Wing Conspirator  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:36:01am

#105 Andrew

Alright. Your forgiven.

112 RIP Ford  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:40:25am

#105 andrew

I feel your pain.

/Bill Clinton

I have 6 VHS tapes of commercial free Simpsons episodes, no repeats either. Interested? :P

I'm a dork

113 Engineer  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:41:15am

#46 Miss Defy

Frig off asshole. I have been a long-time reader and supporter of LGF. What did I actually say that was so troll-like you dumbass? I brought up a conversation that I had had with someone who threw that back in my face when I brought up the Teresa Kerry topic.

This appears to be the second thread you have posted in. The other was here:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

If you have read even a little here, you should know that only trolls post claims like you did in # 26 without linking to the source.

114 V the K  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:42:05am

I'll have to agree to disagree with Smit. 1. Love the name Kevin. 2. Bacon goes with everything. Peanut butter and bacon on a bagel is the breakfast of champions... no, wait, that's Jack Daniels and Product 19.

Or, we can have a flame war. "There you go, smearing bacon in your clueless ignorance. You should be banned. i just came to this site through another one and i can see u r all a bunch of hatred filled baconists. now i'm going to insult you and whine about it when you hit me back. then, i'm going to get all frustrated and say i'm leaving. then i'll come back and post some more and then change my nick and pretend i'm someone else sticking up for myself."

Nah, we'll just agree to disagree.

115 andrew  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:42:35am

#112 RIP Ford

YES! I'm interested! Are you joking?

116 J.D.  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:43:07am
117 Yehudit  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:43:29am
Yehudit, Glen, here is a picture of Dunn's car. Maybe she just hated her car.

And if no one found out she could collect on the insurance.

I hate seeing a cute Honda Civic like that abused. That's my preferred car when I have one (which I don't right now living in NYC).

118 Kelly  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:45:23am

Off Topic but important

Well it looks like some local political hacks want to sneak into people's bedrooms and jail them if they don't like what is taking place there. Do we really need people telling us what we can and can not do? I seem to recall that the origional settlers of this country were individuals that wanted to avoid experiancing percecution by the so called "majority opinion of morality."

The actions by these American elected officials are comparable to the Taliban and their desire to impose their religious values on the population.

As most states and many cities in the nation debate questions about same-sex marriage, one Tennessee county is taking things a step further: calling on state lawmakers to amend Tennessee law so that homosexuals can be charged with crimes against nature.

The Rhea County commissioners approved the request 8-0 Tuesday. Commissioner J.C. Fugate, who introduced the measure, also asked the county attorney to find a way to enact an ordinance banning homosexuals from living in the county.

"We need to keep them out of here," Fugate said.

The vote was denounced by Matt Nevels, president of the Chattanooga chapter of Parents, Family and Friends of Lesbians and Gays.

"That is the most farfetched idea put forth by any kind of public official," Nevels said. "I'm outraged."

Rhea County has been in the headlines before in matters of ideology and law.

Dayton, Tennessee, was the site of the so-called "Monkey Trial" in 1925, in which John T. Scopes was convicted of teaching Charles Darwin's theory of evolution - in defiance of state law - a verdict the state's Supreme Court later threw out on a technicality.

119 zulubaby  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:45:52am

SoCalJustice (#110)

Maybe she just wanted to "open up a dialogue" about insurance fraud.

That's what I was thinking. The part that struck me as particularly odd was the $17,000 worth of stolen property. I doubt the car is worth that much so what could have she kept in there that was worth that much?

120 RIP Ford  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:46:08am

#115 andrew

Yes, I'm serious. Something could be arranged, I'm sure. The quality of some of the tapes is somewhat lacking, though.

121 Bourgeois Reactionary  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:47:48am

Gordon #53 - I expected better from you. Documented (Pipes) links between Teresa to recipients of her charity versus your fiction.

Is that all you've got? Or are you begging for someone to fictionalize your links to NAMBLA?

122 andrew  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:47:56am

#120 RIP Ford

Shoot me an e-mail.

123 Right Wing Conspirator  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:52:58am

andrew

Just make sure RIP Ford isn't trying to send you some of his 'artistic' videos. ;-)


OT yet again - sh*t, they're on to us:

America, WAKE-UP! "Quadrant Sign Code"--EXPOSED!


/damn this is some mighty good shizzit.

124 SoCalJustice  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:53:56am

(#119) zulubaby

The part that struck me as particularly odd was the $17,000 worth of stolen property. I doubt the car is worth that much so what could have she kept in there that was worth that much?

Probably her PhD dissertation and all her bling bling. ;-)

125 zulubaby  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:55:17am

Miss Defy has been posting here since last year and as far as I can tell, she's not a troll. Relax guys.

126 John Kerry  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:56:33am

#118 Kelly

"The actions by these American elected officials are comparable to the Taliban..."

Cry me a friggen river! Better yet, go chomp a little tube steak on the courthouse steps.

127 zulubaby  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 8:56:39am

SoCalJustice (#124)

G-d knows what passes for bling-bling in her world. LOL.

128 Athos  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 9:03:41am

#127 Zulubaby

Did you catch all of the local news coverage here in LALA land over the sit-ins and demonstrations about the racial attack? Wanna bet that there will be next to none tonight on this being self inflicted?

129 WriterMom  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 9:06:26am

#118 Kelly

Did you also post that on another thread? I'm like having deja vu all over again.

#105 andrew

Here's a video you might enjoy?

130 zulubaby  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 9:07:12am

Athos (#128)

I didn't see very much about it but that's because I don't really watch the news, I rely more on the Internet for that.

Wanna bet that there will be next to none tonight on this being self inflicted?

It's a huge embarrassment for them. It will be interesting to see what the follow-up is, if anything.

131 RIP Ford  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 9:11:54am

andrew,

Check your e-mail.

Right Wing Conspirator

LOL
You are a sick individual :P

132 gymnast  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 9:16:05am

#118, Kelly. Re: "original settlers" Until the American Revolution, a hell of a lot of "settlers" were 'transported' here by the English as a result of crimes they had committed. Some were given a choice, stay and hang or go to the colonies under indenture. Some chose to travel rather than hang. Our successful revolution led to Australia being the next big land of opportunity for criminals and near do wells. The Scopes Trial was the last big tourist draw in that part of Tennessee and here you want to deny them another chance to get on the map and make some bucks selling T shirts and such.

133 Steve Young  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 9:23:05am

#71: It is odd. I would like to find out what was being done with the other money.

134 andrew  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 9:25:45am

#129 WriterMom

Thanks! I'll certainly be adding that to my shopping cart.
hee hee
:-)

135 V the K  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 9:29:10am

#132 gymnast

It will be interesting to see how many "Born Again Federalists" like Barney Frank will be championing states rights when the states want to legislate in a manner counter to their social agenda.

Andrew Sullivan takes the position that allowing gay marriage is something states should be allowed to do, but states that outlaw same sex marriages are engaging in "pogroms." So, he's a federalist when it comes to permitting same-sex marriage, and an anti-federalist when it comes to outlawing same-sex marriage.

Bit of the same way Spain was a "country you could buy on eBay" when it supported the War on Iraq, but is now "a major important ally" now that it is leaving the coalition.

136 Ronnie  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 9:29:59am

#132 gymnast

Don't you find it interesting that the two largest penal colonies of the former British Empire are the staunchest supporters of freedom? Whereas, the UK has evolved into a human sump for it's former colonies,,,ironic. It almost seems that when they shipped out the crooks, they also shipped out their quota of national testosterone.

137 V the K  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 9:33:30am
It almost seems that when they shipped out the crooks, they also shipped out their quota of national testosterone.

Kind of a reverse-Darwinism. I wonder if there is a gene for courage? If so, two centuries of emigration and intermittent Franco-Prussian wars would appear to have thinned the European gene stock. The brave segment of the population either went to the New World, or was chewed up by the machinery of war, leaving behind only the lily-livered pacifists to procreate.

138 RIP Ford  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 9:42:37am

#137 V the K

The drain on the population from immigration, must of had some impact. The doers and risk takers left home for greener pastures...

It is an interesting point.
Hmmm

139 WriterMom  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 9:43:31am

#134 andrew

And, there's lots more where they come from :)

Still cackling about earlier discussion with berliner on Reuters thread. He's a very sensitive German. Ha ha...berliner-you out there?

140 Ronnie  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 9:44:27am

#137 V the K

Yep, exactly! I wonder though, if it's genetic or enviromental/cultural??? Probably a combination of both.

About ten years ago I spent a good part of two winters in Lewiston/Auburn Maine. One of the things that really shocked me (actually there were two things that stood out) was the height of the people. They seemed to be really short as compared to folks on the west coast, Montana, etc. The other thing that seemed really unusual was the number of people who seemed mentaly ill. I'm not trying to be a smartass, there just seemed to be a lot of mentaly ill people around.

141 Lysander  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 9:44:34am

"Declear the Crudase and be unite!"

I know it was nominated for the Rolling Title Bar, but this has *got* to be our permanent slogan - along the lines of the Knights Who Say 'NI!'
:)


/s/

Lysander, who's having fun at work today

142 Steve Young  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 9:45:50am

#90 Thanks, I'll check that out.

143 Thom  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 9:46:33am

#140 Ronnie

It's a well-known fact that everyone is surrounded by idiots and assholes...

144 gymnast  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 9:46:43am

#135, V the K. One of the defining institutions of any culture is the family and the form which it takes. This whole "gay marriage" bit is not a serious undertaking but a political ploy. Political interest groups come and go and have only trancient effects on underlying cultural institutions. The Chinese Communist Party, for instance, is a blip on the cultural history of the Han Chinese, as were the Mongols. The institution of the family defines marriage within a culture and does so in such a way as to provide a secure existance for each member of the family. American society is a subset of contemporary Western Culture and is accomadative of many things. I see no serious reason for it to be accomodative of gay marriage for it does not protect the interests of the family, the fundimental institutional unit of any culture.

145 Athos  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 9:51:48am

#144 gymnast

Very well said!

146 observer  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 9:53:32am

If you know someone you really hate, on whom you wish the symptoms of a red level migraine or the stomach churning pain of the flu, recommend he or she read:

"She Never Lost Faith in Decency
Rachel Corrie One Year Later"

by Gila Svirsky, who is with the Coalition of Women for Peace in Jerusalem.

At: [Link: www.counterpunch.org...]

Fisking would be impossible. The piece fisks itself.

147 Ronnie  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 9:57:04am

#143 Thom

"It's a well-known fact that everyone is surrounded by idiots and assholes..."

No... I'm not trying to be arrogant. neither haughty. I'm just stating an observation. The people were as friendly as people found in the general populace of Maine: it was just different, that's all. Not 'good' or 'bad'.

148 Throbert McGee  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 9:57:28am
Kevin Bacon, - My least favourite man's name with my least favourite meat product.

Funny, I thought the formula was "the name of your favorite pet plus the name of the street you lived on as a child."

But going by your version, my drag queen name would be Lester Olive-Pimiento Loaf.

149 Thom  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 9:59:33am

#147 Ronnie

I think it was George Carlin said something like - someone driving slower than you is an idiot, and someone who blows by you at 100 mph is an asshole ... It's funny 'cause it's true. :)

So ... like Stephen King ... Village of the Damned different?

150 Glen Wishard  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 9:59:38am

#132 - gymnast

The Scopes Trial was the last big tourist draw in that part of Tennessee and here you want to deny them another chance to get on the map and make some bucks selling T shirts and such.

And that's the literal truth, too - "The Scopes Trial" was masterminded by Dayton civic boosters, to put their town on the map.

Scopes, who volunteered to be charged, was actually totally innocent. He was a gym teacher who had once substituted for a sick biology teacher, but he never so much as uttered the word "evolution" in a classroom.

I think this is another set-up. I'll bet they've got some gays already lined up who are ready to confess to a bunch of bogus "crimes against nature" at a Stalinist show trial, just so Dayton can fill up its motels with reporters.

151 V the K  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 9:59:44am
This whole "gay marriage" bit is not a serious undertaking but a political ploy.

Yes and no. I don't doubt that many of the same-sex couples in Massachusetts, SFO, and PDX are absolutely sincere and committed. I don't doubt that there are many others who just want to make a political statement. (Shock the normals!)

But, since I'm raising two boys as a single parent, it's painfully obvious to me that my inability to model a two-parent heterosexual committed relationship --- the kind of relationship my boys will want to have when they are of age --- is a significant handicap to my parenting. Multiply my situation a few million times, and the societal implications are obvious.

Heterosexual monogamous marriage committed to the nurturing of children is the best model for human relationships and for society as a whole, which is why it uniquely merits societal recognition. There is also plenty of merit to committed monogamous same-sex relationships and even stable polygamist relationships are preferable to promiscuity and unstable single or dual parent models. But they are not the ideal model, and traditional marriage is. They are not what most people aspire to. They do not provide the ideal model for family.

There is no civil right a married person has that a gay person does not. There are legal disparities, which should be addressed legislatively (not by judicial fiat.) But... even though it's not advantageous to me personally... the traditional marriage ideal is the one that should be upheld.

152 observerabove  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 10:01:23am

#147, Ronnie

What did these people in Maine do and/or say to convince yoy they were "mentally ill?"

A few examples of their behavior and of conversations with them might help us understand what you mean.

153 Yehudit  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 10:02:25am

Time for fun with another internet poll: Should Spain withdraw its troops from Iraq? Every vote counts.

154 V the K  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 10:03:01am
What did these people in Maine do and/or say to convince yoy they were "mentally ill?"

Well, they quote the movie "Airplane" a lot.

/ducks/

155 Tasty Beverage  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 10:03:42am

One of our favorite "world leaders" endorses Kerry (via Allah)

Former Malaysian Leader Endorses Kerry

"But in the U.S., the Jewish lobby is very strong, and any American who wants to become president cannot change the policy toward Palestine radically," he said.

It's always the Jews with this guy.

157 observer  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 10:08:20am

#154, V the K

Well, so do I, and on my mother's side of the family we go way back to the Piltdown Man.

158 papijoe  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 10:09:18am

140 Ronnie

As a county seat with a good hospital, people are prolly going to where the services are in walking distance. Your description sounds like a lot of old New England mill towns
Just curious, what were you doing in LA?

159 V the K  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 10:10:26am
Well, so do I, and on my mother's side of the family we go way back to the Piltdown Man.

The Piltdown Man!?!? What is it?

160 RoP really chappin' my hide  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 10:12:23am

155 Tasty Beverage

OT: your moniker relate to Netrek perchance? I knew a "Tasty Beverage" once

161 Glen Wishard  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 10:14:17am

#155 Tasty Beverage

Looks like Kerry will be getting a copy of The International Jew for Christmas this year. Along with a Spanish edition of Das Kapital that his multi-lingual wife can read to him.

162 Ronnie  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 10:17:12am

#149 Thom

"So ... like Stephen King ... Village of the Damned different?"

Well, obviously these were just mere observations without and statistcal analyzation. Perhaps, more than anything else, the contrast of cultures from what I'd experienced previously is the most striking. I remember thinking at the time that just a short 130 years prior the Civil War had decimated the populatin of many northern states. Also, in small communities in the British Isles during the 16th and 17th cent. there was a high degree of insanity due to inbreeding...just human nature at work. But no, not SK...that's fanasy, we're talking reality here.

163 Engineer  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 10:18:29am

#125 Zulubaby

Miss Defy has been posting here since last year and as far as I can tell, she's not a troll. Relax guys.

Funny, when I did a similar search, I only got two hits.

She still needs to post links.

164 Thom  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 10:19:50am

#162 Ronnie

I see. I had flashes of those "creepy mutant villagers worshipping Satan or a giant fish-type god" movies when I read your first post (which is not your fault of course). :)

165 RoP really chappin' my hide  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 10:20:35am

140 Ronnie et al re Maine mental sickness

Anywhere with nasty weather (read "cloudy and rainy a lot") suffers from higher rates...Wisconsin & upper great lakes locales (J. Dahmer), Seattle & the Pacific Coast (Ted Rall & the PI), and especially Alaska. I've heard NASTY things about the nutjobs up north--coastal areas esp., where they have to deal with 300 days of clouds/rain a year, on top of looong nights 3 months of the year.

166 Thom  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 10:21:11am

#163 Engineer

She still needs to post links.

Miss Defy is not a troll. And Laura Bush's car accident is old news ...

167 Glen Wishard  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 10:22:11am

V the K:

The Piltdown Man!?!? What is it?


Another example of French treachery, that's what!

According to Stephen J. Gould, the Piltdown hoax was concocted by the French Jesuit Teilhard di Chardin.

168 observer  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 10:22:54am

#158, V the K

Kidding--the Piltdown Man was supposed to be the missing link between apes and humans. Exposed as a fraud.

I'm skeptical about generalizations for a segment of the population unless real evidence, not anecdotal stuff, is available--except where it concerns shallow, lifestyle impressions. (Not applicable, of course, to New Jersey.)

169 V the K  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 10:23:12am
Another example of French treachery, that's what!

You forgot to say, "but that's not important right now."

170 Renna  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 10:26:25am

Could there just have been some sort of mental health treatment facility in the town? We have a school for the deaf nearby; therefore, one sees more deaf people than in an "average" city.

171 Avi W  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 10:28:38am

155 Tasty Beverage

It's always the Jews with this guy

Wait till he finds out that Kerry's grandfather was a Czech Jew named Fritz Cohen. He changed his name to Kerry when he converted to Christianity.

172 Ronnie  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 10:28:41am

#152 observerabove

"What did these people in Maine do and/or say to convince yoy they were "mentally ill?"

Well... I'm familiar with dealing with mentally ill street people in large cities. The twitching, loud yelling, talking to imaginary 'friends', the lack of personal hygene, the constant fighting, etc. Lewiston/Auburn is a small town (perhaps 65,000 tops---maybe less) and the number of mentally ill (disturbed?) seemed way out of proportion. Also, at the time I had just spent a few years out west (Montana, Washington, etc.) and although in say Billings there is a certain level of mental illness, the concentration of such is small as compared to say Seattle, LA or NYC by all appearances. It's estimated that about one in three homeless person has a mental illness problem, usually untreated. Perhaps in Maine they just all stay home instead of flocking to the "big" city. I don't know...sorry.

173 Tasty Beverage  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 10:33:07am

#160 RoP really chappin' my hide

No, I had to google netrek to find out what you were talking about. Looks sort of cool.

#161 Glen Wishard

Looks like Kerry will be getting a copy of The International Jew for Christmas this year.

LOL it is so sad that we even have to make jokes about this kind of thing. The world is diseased.

174 Avi W  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 10:35:28am

About Kerry's Jewish roots --

[Link: www.nypress.com...]

175 RoP really chappin' my hide  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 10:37:28am

173 Tasty Beverage

No offense, but I'm sorta disappointed...I was all excited that you might be him...the guy was kicka$$, made it to rear admiral in no time flat. Have to be a pretty good coder/clicker. Fun game.

/wasted-college-days reverie

176 Ronnie  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 10:38:41am

#165 RoP really chappin' my hide

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or... But there may be a little dynamic therein your statements. Cabin fever is a REAL thing, and that's for sure. You mentioned JD out of Milwaukee, but then he was from a big city with lots of interaction available.


#170 Renna

Could have been a treatment center. I did notice that the New England towns seemed to have a large base of community social welfare systems in place. Something not seen in the hinterland, say Easton WY.

177 V the K  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 10:39:04am

Thinking about Gordo's "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon" analogy... connecting Tuh-ray-zuh Heinz Kerry to CAIR isn't like connecting a random actor to Kevin Bacon (which, for foreign readers, was a semi-popular party game in the USA circa 1997) through random intermediaries ... a better analogy would be connecting Michael Eisner to Miramax (through Disney).

178 observer  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 10:39:59am

#172, Ronnie

Could be some of the geezers of Lewiston think thy're in the cast of "Grumpy Old Men."
Didn't see any of that in other Maine towns, so I hope it ain't catchin'.

179 RoP really chappin' my hide  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 10:48:43am

176 Ronnie

Yeah, cabin fever is real, and is experienced in places that have really long and dark winter nights, accompanied by deep snows. But the worst places are those that don't get much sunshine even during the day. Montana and the other states with mostly continental (drier) climates aren't bad because you have sun 270+ days a year. You live somewhere that only sees the sun 90 days a year, and I'll guarantee you'll go batty...it's a type of claustrophobia much worse than cabin fever.

180 Ronnie  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 11:03:39am

#179 RoP really chappin' my hide

Right! I remember leaving Seattle and moving into the sunshine... At the time I didn't even know I'd been suffering from depression. I sure love 'flyover country'!

181 RoP really chappin' my hide  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 11:08:24am

180 Ronnie

Glad you were able to "see the light"

/GONG (yank)

182 Rayra[deleted]  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 11:13:32am
183 V the K  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 11:18:54am
No No, that's the formula for 'Your Porn-Star Name'. Mine would be 'Fred Laurel',

That would make me "Thunderpaws Cooper."

I knew a guy in college whose was "Sam Twelve" and a girl whose was... no kidding... "Muffy Cloverdale."

184 RichN  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 11:25:03am

Teresa Heinz-Cair-ry, perhaps?

185 Yankev  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 11:30:09am

#60

If this foundation operates as a donor advised fund --


Nu, does it or doesn't it?

186 Yankev  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 11:33:18am

80

Glen, here is a picture of Dunn's car.

Did you notice that she got the Nazi swatika backwards?

187 Ronnie  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 11:38:01am

#182 Rayra

"that's the meta-meme of the whole American nation "

Well said!!! I envy your skill with words, but don't worry I'm not moslem or french so your safe.

188 Yankev  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 11:40:02am

#136

the two largest penal colonies of the former British Empire are the staunchest supporters of freedom? Whereas, the UK has evolved into a human sump for it's former colonies,,,ironic. It almost seems that when they shipped out the crooks, they also shipped out their quota of national testosterone.

Have you been reading Heinlein's "The Moon is aHarsh Mistress" again?

189 zulubaby  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 11:41:19am

Yankev (#186)

Yes, but that's the least of her problems.

190 DumbBlondeCapitalist  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 12:19:29pm

#151/V the K,

Dayum. That was brilliant. Seriously.

191 Miss Defy  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 12:47:08pm

Quark2: I'm sorry for calling you a moron. I guess I'm not as sophisticated with the posting rules and regulations as some regulars on here and I didn't 'articulate' as well as I should have. I thought the Laura Bush accident was as well-known as Chappaquiddick

Happy now?

192 Miss Defy  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 12:56:29pm
193 V the K  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 1:14:46pm

#190 DumbBlondeCapitalist

Thank you very much, with heartfelt sincerity. I know it's simultaneously a very radical take on the problem ... since our PC culture regards any suggestions that some arrangements are superior to others as heresy of the highest order. It's also a point of view I have yet to hear expressed anyone other than from me.

194 bait_ball  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 1:37:38pm

When topping that burger, remember...

"Reach for Hunt's, not the ****'s!"

195 Morgan  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 2:29:50pm

Charles, I don't think you've had a thread on this issue yet: the Tides Foundation has also given over $81,000 to a group called "Adbusters Media Foundation".

[Link: www.tidesfoundation.org...]

Adbusters. Sounds like an anti-corporate group? Guess again - it's a hate rag run by a man who makes lists of Jews who he say runs the country. He argues that their "Jewishness" is being hidden by the media.

[Link: www.adbusters.org...]

Adbusters also spews Palestinian propaganda with commentary on how Israel is worse that Nazi Germany.

[Link: www.adbusters.org...]

This is insane antisemitism, pure and simple. And it's paid for with Kerry's money.

196 trackersmurf  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 4:57:51pm

If you're looking for more info on the Tides foundation your should check out activistcash.com

They are a project of the Center for Consumer Freedom. A great website with fun links to check out all day long. Just click on the foundations button and scroll down until you find them...

197 Pennies for Patriots  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 5:27:35pm

More Tides info courtesy of Guidstar (www.guidestar.org):


Tides Center, San Francisco:
[Link: www.guidestar.org...]

Tides Foundation San Francisco:
[Link: www.guidestar.org...]


Tides Center Pensylvania:
[Link: www.guidestar.org...]

Enjoy!

198 torchy  Thu, Mar 18, 2004 6:29:23pm

#113 Engineer

If you have read even a little here, you should know that only trolls post claims like you did in # 26 without linking to the source.
#26 Miss Defy - Well when I brought this up to a Kerry supporter, the retort was "Laura Bush killed someone".

Miss Defy was not making a claim but reporting a response and depending on the medium of discussion it would be difficult to source, unless the exchange occured on a message board or some other publicly recorded/archived media.

#192 Miss Defy- Oh now you've gone and done it, for shame!!!

/;D

199 Glen Wishard  Fri, Mar 19, 2004 12:39:05am

Yankev:

Did you notice that she got the Nazi swatika backwards?

If it's backwards, it's not a swastika, it's a Buddhist peace symbol.

Obviously her car was vandalized by a Democratic Party fund-raising committee.

200 Yankev  Fri, Mar 19, 2004 4:48:01am

199 Glen,

If it's backwards, it's not a swastika,

No, the Swastika of hooked cross was around long before the Nazis, and can refer to either the clockwise or counterclockwise version. (see any dictionary of signs and symbols -- my exa is an artist.) But the Nazi Swastika has the Northwest arm pointed up like an L, not not rightward like a 7.

201 epg  Fri, Mar 19, 2004 2:57:03pm

So Laura Bush was involved in an automobile accident when she was seventeen. That was an unfortunate tragedy. But, that was forty years ago when she was a child.

Teresa Heinz is a full-blown adult, making rational choices. If she chooses to support such dispicable organizations as CAIR through her Tides Foundation, the American people have the right to know what kind of woman will have the President's ear at pillowtalk time. Her support of groups that openly advocate the overthrow the United States is more than criminal. It is sedition.

If she doesn't know about the contributions, she is negligent. Either way, I wouldn't want her or her long-faced "do you know who I am" husband anywhere near the oval office. If the American people were dissatisfied with Hillary Clinton, imagine what they are going to get with Teresa Heinz. I'm defintely not going to buy any more of her products. DelMonte for me from now on!


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