Sick.
Solid job, zombie. You seem to have caught them at their ugliest.

bad shirt, bad sign...

Sick fucks!

Scum-o-rama

Is that really not a 'Protest Warrior' type, like the "Hamas says tear down the wall" guy at that L.A. rally a few months ago/

Because if it's not, holy sh*t.

I note that San Francisco is about as far from New York as one can get in the US; and a good thing, too, if you're going to wave a sign like that around. Otherwise, one of NY's famous kosher knuckle sandwiches coming right up!

I ♥ seeing idiotarians like this bleeding profusely.

Every-frikkin'-time you think these... these... creatures can't sink any lower, they sink lower.

I live in NYC and was there on 9/11. for this bastard to sit there and enjoy the freedom to spout this vile hate speech only supports the terrorists who have sworn to destroy it.

Where are the Democrats decrying this tyupe of hatred for the US? Im, sorry they only rail against those who are against diversity

I don't understand what the world actually wants from Israel. The Islamists have launched their holy war on the world and the backlash is against the Jews. I'll never figure that one out.

Forgot to add ... fantastic job, zombie!

Oh, and nice layout with the lettering; probably a graphic arts student cutting class (again).

Great job zombie!

But, shit....
the first thought that came into my head upon seeing that photo was, "At least Stalin knew how to deal with dissidents."

I will never forgive the LLL for making that occur to me.

Oh my.

Yes, great job zombie!

Who knew the Mossad was against healthcare, the environment, schools and building bridges.

Im sitting here at my computer and i am fuming mad. The blood is boiling. I would love to see this coward carry this sign on any street in NYC. He would be wearing his ass for a hat in about 2 mins.

The shear hatred that the LLL has for its fellow Americans is astonishing. These people have no shame.

I noticed that the Ho Chi Minh T-shirt featured in one of the pics was not 34 years old, but just a few hours old. Apparently there's still a market for that crap.

My favorite was "Reject Neocon World Domination - Support the UN". It's like what I've been pointing out about so-called "anti-globalists", for some time, now.

Strong work, Z-Man!

And they said communism was dead! hah! my parents fled communism in 1956 only to find it right here at their doorstep once again. These are dangerous times where people of conscience have t stand up for what is right and true.

This genius forgot what year it is. (Look in the upper left hand corner)

TO: Charles Johnson
RE: That Person...

...in the photo cannot be particularly 'proud' of the sign he's holding. Otherwise, he'd show his face, instead of hiding it.

That person has no 'honor'.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[If you have to think about it, you are without honor in the first place. -- LT Worf, or some other Klingon]

Wouldn't you love to kick the bastard in the groin?

P.S. He's probably hiding because he knows I'd show his face to an associated who lost his daughter in that building.

zombie, way to go.

#8 zulubaby:

I don't understand what the world actually wants from Israel.

Let me clue you in, sweetie--they want Israel to go away, and fast.

Simple, really.

TO: Bat Puchanan
RE: Personally?

"Wouldn't you love to kick the bastard in the groin?" -- Bat Puchanan

No.

But I think my associate would likely fly a 737 into him there and then bury him under a pile of flaming rubble.

Regards,

Chuck(le)

As New Yorker, I hope that sicko gets what's coming to him.

You'd think that even "peace" demonstators would object to the "I Love NY....without the World Trade Center " sign. You'd think wrong. What a collection of scumbags.

I'm at a loss for words.

And right winders are considered the hateful ones. I don't get it.

Rayra should post the link to his photos too. The best part is his running commentary which had me crying I was laughing so hard.

Zulubaby

The Black Plague hit Europe and killed thousands, including Jews. Who was to blame?

The Jews.

The German economy was in tatters after WWI and who's fault was it?

The Jews.

3000 people are murdered in NYC on 9/11 and who didn't show up for work that day?

The Jews.

200 people are slaughtered in Bali. Who planted the mini-nuke?

The Jews.

6.2 billion people in the world. Which 15,000,000 people control them all?

The Jews.

Arab Muslim terrorists detonate bombs on buses in Tel Aviv, Jerusalem and Haifa. But who do the nuts blame?

The Jews.

Abu Nidal threw a Jew over the bearing of a cruise ship. Who paid Nidal to commit this heinous act?

The Jews.

If G-d comes down right now and declares the Muslim world to be nuts, who will they blame for G-d's wrath?

The Jews.

Get it?

Let's see - on the make my own caption section -

#1 and #2 (in the unlabeled section) -

STOP MCDONALDS ADDICTION!

How'd that semi-handsome guy with the "Creating War is Evil" sign in #4, morph into that fat dork in #5?

In case you missed it, Rayra did some photojournalism of the contemporaneous inanities occurring in L.A., available here.

11- Don't feel so bad. I had visions of sniper rifles dancing in my head too...

"Liberty is such a precious thing that sometimes it must be rationed."
-Vladimir Ilyich Uliyanov

Wail for the day of the Lord is near!
It will come as destruction from the Almighty.
Therefore all hands will fall limp,
And every man's heart will melt.
And they will be terrified,
Pains and anguish will take hold of them;
They will writhe like a woman in labor,
They will look at one another in astonishment,
Their faces aflame.

Behold the day of the Lord is coming,
Cruel, with fury and burning anger,
To make the land a desolation;
And He will exterminate sinners from it.
For the stars of heaven and their constallations
Will not flash forth their light;
The sun will be dark when it rises,
And the moon will not shed its light.

Thus will I punish the world for its evil,
And the wicked for their iniquity;
I will also put an end to the arrogance of the proud,
And abase the haughtiness of the ruthless.

Zulubaby

OT but for Zulubaby.
Forget which thread I posted in but I left you links to the stories you requested last night, about the Shuls here in Toronto that were vandalized last night, as well as the 13 homes defaced in the same area the weekend before.

As I am listening to the 6PM news now, in the same area they just discovered 13 grave stones broken in the Jewish cemetery there.

Now, don't take this to mean that anti-Semitism is rampant in Toronto for it simply isn't true, at least in comparison to Europe or other places.

This particular rash is both unusual and at the very least the only positive thing to come out of it is that unlike most other anti-Semitic incidents that no one ever hears about, this is all over the media and the police are on special alert for any and all Jewish homes and sites, and they are asking the public as well to keep their eyes open.

What I find interesting is that there was a thread here by Charles last week about the many Mosques around the world that were all rabidly ranting right after the terrorist act in Spain and it was the very night or the next one that this rash began.

There aren't any suspects at this moment.

Now, I don't know if this is related but all of those incidents have taken place within a 2 or so mile radius of one another.
But about 3 miles south in another area that is a bit more mixed but still known to be heavily populated with Jews, and 83 year old woman was found murdered in her home 2 days ago and her home was set on fire in an attempt to cover up the crime.

All they have said is they believe the home was burglarized and she was murdered during this crime and then the home was set on fire.

I don't personally think this is related or a hate crime and could very well turn out to be a family member or such thing but the police have mentioned that they are going to be holding a police conference in the morning tomorrow which I find a bit peculiar.

Unless they are doing this because they are concerned that other Jewish residents may be fearful and they want to put their mind at ease that this murder isn't in any way related.

Now, having said all that?
Don't take this to assume that Toronto is an unsafe city for I have traveled quite extensively and it is by far one of the safest city's in the world.

This is just a very unusual period and I hope these little bastards whoever they are are caught quickly.

Anyway, just keeping you updated as you seemed to show an interest earlier! ;-)

OT Kerry 1971 testimony before congress in 1971 on cspan1 @ 6:30 pm est 03/21/04.

Man, what I wouldn't give to be on the riot police squad. Ever see that video of the cops who swabbed tear gas in the eyes of some animal rights creeps to get them to leave? I so envy them....

Why are all those other people in the picture just standing around? Why are they not beating that man senseless? If you need evidence of an America fifth column, look no further than this picture. The enemy is among us.

And just think how much more she (he/she who can tell) will love it peering through the burka

I think that person should have their sign strapped to their body and paraded at the WTC site, then an NYC fire station and police department. If there are any pieces left of them then, they should have to apologize to every single 9/11 family in person-looking face to face at the orphans, widows, parents, siblings, etc...

Shame on these freaks.

Thanks Zombie for taking the pictures. It's reality biting people in the face.

Thank you for those, zombie, and here's hoping those and similar photos are widely circulated. News articles reporting "anti-war" protests promote the image of clean-cut, well-behaved people waving American flags and "Bring out troops home" signs.

Obviously, the truth is otherwise.

ShiksaGrrrl, how freaky! I was just trying to remember which thread we were posting on. Thanks for the update, depressing as it is.

Zombie,

Thanks for those photos.

Audio:

Go to "Disc 1", #67...

Followed by...

"Disc 3", #26.

(#28) AG in Houston

Abu Nidal threw a Jew over the bearing of a cruise ship. Who paid Nidal to commit this heinous act?

The Jews.

Was that Abu Nidal or Abu Abbas? So many Abus, so little time.

By the way, the also blame us green-lighting "Who's the Boss" and letting it run far past when it should have been cancelled.

But they might have a point on that count.

Notice all the swastikas and general obsession with Nazism. It is called psychological projection.

#28 AG in Houston

That post would make one Hell of a protest sign!

Looking at those pictures made me think of a song I heard at one time. It went like this....
# [Link: www.sumfun1.com...]

Postal Worker, AG in Houston -

I guess you could do it like those "Burma Shave" signs.

Astonishing.

This reminds me of what Alfred Hitchcock once said -- horror doesn't come so much from brutality, but from brutality with a smile on its face.

bigel (#43)

No problem, it's an open offer if you ever need help or whatever. I agree that he should stay here but it's hard to immigrate so I can understand him wanting to return to his home.

It is so veeeery gooood that I was not in SF when this idiot showed his sign...

This just makes me want to volunteer for the Republicans. I'm an independant now. Time to pick a side and dig in.

OT Kerry telling lies. You disgust me John effin' Kerry

OT You're the effin' criminal JOHN efffin' KERRY

I know several people who died in the WTC. Lucky I wasn't there, because that guy with the sign would not have left alive.

We can point people to these signs when we get an otherwise decent person who's been sold a big lie
1) that the "peace" protestors want peace,
2) that only because they "love" America they want to change some policies (the dissent is patriotic meme, except that of course unpatriotic dissent isn't patriotic) I mean, I'm guessing the sign "Death to America" is pretty clear. The one that asks us to support those people killing US troops in Iraq is the defining one for the professor's quote, they're not for peace, they're on the other side.
3) that the Palis only want Gaza and the West Bank,
4) that we have on a tinfoil hat when we point out the connection between the anti-Iraq war crowd and communism/socialism, etc.

OT "The incredible arrogance" a**hat" are the killing fields of Pol Pot.

Excellent zombie!

#42 Frank IBC

Thanks, but I'll have the Uzi, if you don't mind. (Disc 3 - #29)
I like "Up Close & Personal".

How is it that nobody saw fit to rip that sign out of the scum's paws & shove it up his fundamental orifice?

I will happily knock the teeth down the throat of that guy holding the "I love NY without the World Trade Center" sign.

#43 bigel

Just a suggestion:
Try to get him to take an extended tour of the US.
Get him out of the big cities & into the towns & villages.
Off the super-pikes & onto the turtle back blue roads.
Mom & pop stores, greasy spoon truck stops, the real America. (Sorry, city mice, that's how I feel.)

Whatever it takes to rescue him from himself.

#27 bigel

I live in San Francisco.

Eat my shorts!

Man, what happened to all the good looking females that used to hang out at these types of rallies? I'm dissapointed. Is SF really this lacking in the babe category? And what's with that 40+ year old with the "Boobs not Bombs" t-shirt? Does she mean boobs as in "big tits", or boobs as in "big morons"? She fits into either catagory.

OT JOHN effin' KERRY using the stumps of vets for political gain. GO TO HELL ASSHOLE.

Can we get the name of the group or individual that came up with the poster?

To say those responsible are rabid is an injustice.

I can’t believe it…sad truth, I can. I want to puke.

#43 bigel

If it really hits the fan, bigel-style, in Europe and your cousin needs to get out, email me. I have family in Belgium, and I'm just a train-ride away.

#28 AG in Houston

I've always (well for a year now) said that if earth is ever attacked by Martians, the headline in the Saudi newspapers will read "Jews From Space"!

The evil person holding up that sign about the WTC should be kicked out of this country and never allowed back in.

Zombie, thanks for the eye opener. These people are much, much worse than I thought they were.

#27 Bigel: Speaking as another LGFer who lives in San Francisco, I'm comforted to know that the only thing that you and Samson have in common is relates to being forever linked with some aspect of an ass' anatomy.

First, thanks for taking the photos zombie. I'm posting a link from my site as well. Everyone needs to see these.

I always wonder, if I gathered up a couple of thousand people, chanted anti-Hamas, anti-al-Qaeda, anti-Communism/Socialism slogans; handed out books on American Patriotism, the Constitution and Treason; and burned an effigy of UBL as well as flags of Iran, North Korea and "Palestine"... would popular media call it a "Peace Protest"?

Right, I didn't think so.

As has been said many times, they're not protesting for peace, they're simply cheering for the other team. Scum like the I luv NYC guy should get immediately air lifted to Torra Bora to hang with his buddies. And those Korean kids rooting for the DPRK should be sent "home" for a nice dinner with Kim.

Thankfully I was nowhere near these people carrying this sign.  I'd be in jail right now.

This is just sick.  What have their parents done to them?  Truly this evidence of child abuse.
 

#68 Anne,

You are too fuckin' nice.

They should be turned over to me with a signed presidential pardon.

And an agreement not to investigate what happened to them.

I absolutely promise that you'd puke :-)

Guys and Dolls, I'm a hard man. What I'd do to that POS would make Vlad Tepes squirm.

(First ya dose 'em with ten hits of LSD, then ya let them watch Hellraiser.
After that, ya go to work...)

Iron Fist-Jesus dude. Self, remember never, ever to piss ol' Fisty off :-)

#76 Iron Fist

Uhm... that's a bit scary.

Zombie, how did you manage not to beat that person to a pulp? Also, I notice that the "Boobs not Bombs" girls are in the background, meaning you have multiple photos of the same groups of people standing in different positions. Any chance you have another photo with this guy's face in it?

#63 Diggs -

Er, you might want to check out the girl under "Minding Your Own Business Is Not An Option"... ("Weirdos" page, fourth from bottom)

{SLAP!!!}

But...but...but...you said....

#72 bigel

I knew that ^_^

Geeze, and I didn't even say "Nuke Bigel"

zombie,

You need to email that picture to all the *ahem* right-wingers in the media: Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly, hell, anyone at Fox News. You can try sending it to the Alphabet Networks and the big city dailies, although I'm sure they'll round-file it; but you never know.

This POS is as bad as the shits with the "We support our troops, when they shoot their officers" banner from last year.

zombie

Good work. You and PDM should get to work on the next set of LGF posters/bumper stickers.

A first class photo-journalistic essay! Congratulations. The commentry is priceless, especially on the anti-Israel-pro-Palestine thread ("doofus' for Palestine, brain-dead people for Palestine...!"). The best laugh I've had all winter, if it wasn't that it's also scary!

Thanks for all your hard work!

#78 Alex,

Dude, meet evil.

If you go back to my post #76, you will note that my first requirement is a signed presidential pardon.

I recognize that the act I am proposing is illegal, and demand legal cover before it is taken.

I won't even dispute that it is immoral, but we're a post moralistic society :-)

I am clearly, under the law, sane.

I recognize wrong from right, legal from illegal.

My dog ain't giving me instructions from a Higher Power.

And I’d do some really awful things to this fucker if I were granted legal authorization to do so.

As it is, I wish him or her a pleasant day.

Cheney's speech from the other day on CSPAN right now. One quote just jumped out at me. "These times have tested the character of this country." Boy howdy. And the character of several has been nicely documented at the link above.

Un-f-cking-believable.

TO: Boobs
RE: "Boobs Not Bombs"

Oh. It's always about you, eh?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Okay, guys. Leave the bimbo alone. We got work to do....]

Thank you, zombie. Quite eye-opening and funny at the same time! LOL I never saw that many pics from the media.

Seems like the get really fu@&ed up, boozed up and then meet for a "good ole" hatefest these days.

One question though, can anyone enlarge this to see the instructions attached on the back of this sign?

Must... control... Fist... of... Death!

This needs to also be sent to all the major blogs like Charles'. Somewhere, someone knows this guy.
I want him to go online and see this everywhere, and sleep with a very tight asshole at night.
Maybe he'll get lucky and wake up in the middle of the night with someone like Iron Fist smiling at him.

And just for the record, the FoD must be controlled, not out of concern for those ass-hats, but because I'd rather not spend the rest of my days in Angola State Prison.

Quark -

Not that there's anything wrong with that, but Iron Fist is straight.

:P

Some of you asked about the face of the guy (yes, it was a guy, albeit an androgynous one) holding the "I love NY" sign. The answer is as creepy as the rest of it: His face was obscured behind a tight bandanna, tied at the back of his head, outlaw-style.

#88 Kevin -

I enlarged it, but there's not enough resolution to read it without some kind of enhancement software.

OT
But relational to what we're posting about here.
You really need to read IronBear's latest short essay on
anti rationalism.

[Link: www.whotendsthefires.us...]

Zombie:

Even with my crummy dial-up service I took the time this evening to view all your photos. Thank you for your efforts and for sharing them with those of us who were not there or at any other of these “peace” events. I have no words to express my shame and disappointment for this group of people (I hope the group was as small as reported) that would consider themselves Americans.

#93 zombie's friend

Oh. A coward.

Surprise, surprise, surprise!

#94 Frank IBC

Thanks, I saw that and I wondered what it said.

Maybe zombie can "find" another in the garbage and post what it says (I wish).

Thanks again, Frank.

Nastalgia caused me to dig up my colleciton of photos from the Anti-War protest in Cambridge, MA a year ago. Either proximity to NYC has made us right coasters a bit saner, or the participants of these protests have degraded significantly over the last 12 months.

The most anti-American sign I could find was: "Finally the World is United Against US"

@92 Frank IBC

No, not in a nice way Frank. I mean he wakes up to find someone like Iron Fist smiling down at him with smooth evil intent. You know a waking nightmare. :)

@93 zombie's friend
So, he is a real coward. He came hiding his face, because he knew the sign was 100% wrong for him to be carrying.
I still think someone can be found that will out him.

When you are young and impressionable, you do foolish things that ten years later you regret. This was a hateful poster that is not punishable by any hate crime statuate.(thank god!) Where did this child get their opinion from? Most likely from college and their college friends. Where did the college(collectively!) get its opinion from? From the same kids who were protesting Viet Nam and are now the college administrators and instructors. These Viet Nam protestors turned the tide against America at home. while the US was kicking butt during the Tet offensive, the media and protestors portrayed the US as losing big time. The same tactics are being applied now. Fortunately things are not the same as during Viet Nam. The war is different. Sadam was an evil dictator who was nearly bad as Hitler. No sane person doubts the world is not better off without him. North Viet Nam had no such dictator, just Ho Chi Minh, who looked like a kindly grandfather. We now have the internet, which allows information to be distributed worldwide, free of media interference. We now have greater access to all the information, not just the media's slant on things, which contrary to popular belief, is uniformaly slanted to the left. The really scary thing is that todays youth does not seem to be thinking, instead they just spout off what ever some instructor planted in their heads. Where are these kids independance? They show a distrust of government (who wouldn't now days!) but they believe everything they hear from the college facilty. with 9 out 10 college instructors democrats, our college students are being indoctrinated to liberal idealogy 90 percent of their time at college. It is no wonder that these anti-war protestors come up with such offensive posters, this what they have been taught at our public schools supported by our taxes. Perhaps a investigation into the left-wing indoctrination of our students is in order....

#101 Lowflyer

Why do you assume the turd in question is young?

Regardless of age, those who hold certain opinions - e.g., celebrating the 9/11 atrocities - deserve no compassion whatsoever.

What they deserve - and what decency demands - is that they be beaten with a baseball bat until they die.

Unfortunately, that is illegal.

Imagine if, in 1945, someone walked around Los Angeles with a sign hat read,
I Love Hawaii Even More Without Pearl Harbor Naval Base

How long do you suppose that person would have lived?

We had standards in those days that are sadly lost.

As a New Yorker, I have to register how infuriated I am by that sign.

Does he love NY more without the almost 3,000 souls who perished along with the Trade Center?

Does he love NY more without all of the companies and businesses which have relocated to New Jersey?

Does he love NY more even though the economy here is bad to awful, there are no jobs for young people, and folks are getting laid off right and left?

Does he love NY more with all of the additional security everywhere, which is now a fact of life?

Does he love NY more now that people fear that they're taking their lives in their hands every time they get on a subway train?

F*uck him, and he'd better stay the hell out of NY. I really hope I never see his face, because I don't know what I'd do if I got my hands on him.

#100 quark2,

[Dark, malevolent laughter]

Thanks for the laugh :-)

#33 SiksaGrrrl

The lady that you mentioned is my mother's cousin. I had only met her once, but when I heard the news, especially the bit about her deceased husband's gun collection, I thought something sounded vaguely familiar, but it didn't connect.

It was only later when my mother phoned me and in some distress told me how, when driving by the house on her way back home from a trip downtown, she saw all the police cars and wondered what was going on. She was later told by another cousin what had happened.

It has been a terrible week in Toronto for anti-Semitism: houses and synagogues defaced, and 21 tombstones (according to the account I heard) pushed over.

I'm hoping this murder isn't related.

#43 Bigel

a thought I put to him as delicately as possible

Did you say "don't go back because we need to blow up Europe"

#102 Thom - can we form a commission, to have them appoint a study group to see if that's really illegal (the baseball bat bit I meant).
Wowser - try speaking the words in that parenthetical remark out loud! LOL
Actually, it would be finer if we did the baseball bat bit more carefully, not kill him, just break all the bones in his body then have him share a semi-private room with..............Yes Howard Dean!!
I'm now accepting nominations for the third roomate for the two of them. Total recovery time has got to be not less than, say six months. Then Thom or I (whoever wasn't lucky enough to do them the first time) can meet them in the hospital parking lot with a baseball bat and.....!

#104 Amy - I know I'd sure like San Franciso a lot more if that schmuck was dead.
What is wrong with that asshole? Ya know he didn't mean the 3,000 dead people, just thought it was a cute slogan without any thought to the pain he'd cause others.
How about we kidnap the sob and bring him back here with his sign, and shove him into a firehouse?
YES!!!!!

#108 realwest

Hmm ... OK, maybe death isn't the way to go.

Break every bone in his body every 6 months (or whatever the recovery time would be) until he begs to lick the WTC site clean with his tongue, while naked, tarred, and feathered, and after that every police and fire department floor and toilet in New York ...

And then banished to Devil's Island.

I can accept that.

bigel #72:

Noted

and #75 I don't COME FROM here ... NYC is home sweet home ... just live here now ... and it is screwed up, politically speaking.

Great grub, though.

#104 Amy
It's hard for average, sane people to understand or to accept but the answer to all those questions is "yes".
There are people who are so filled with blind hatred that they are, in fact, invigorated by it.
You can't "fix" them...too far gone.
Hang on, sweetheart; the ride down the tunnel has just begun.
Are you armed?
(Don't answer that. It's nobody's business.)

This ralley is what freedom looks like.

Although I couldn't argue with anyone who claims that this is what a government education system looks like.

But still, these people are free, to be absolutely wrong. It's pornographic in a way, disgusting. But it is the way it is.

Freedom requires leadership.

About marshal law: I think if Bush were to lose to an inept leftist, we would have marshal law after a massive, lethal attack. In this case, the only thing that would prevent absolute mayhem would be a prepared, decisive leader, something Bush appears to be. Even then it may not be enough.

About the Uncle Sam guy: That looks like Bruce Dern.

I liked the obese chick, good angle. I kept thinking that there's a vagina in there somewhere.

Nice job on the pictures! Nicely done.
Next time, think hooters though. We like 'em.

Bigel --- you need to get laid or fucked.

Lighten up, SF is a great city.

It's just war buddy. It has happened before. And only the dead.... oh what the hell...

The "I love NYC even more without the WTC" freak and every one of the stinking piles of maggot fuck in this march belong to John F Kerry.

Do not allow them the claim of peace advocate - they are Saddamites pure and simple. They are opposed to the U.S. winning and elated when the U.S. loses.

@109 realwest

I disagree, he was wearing a bandana over his face behind the sign. This is clear cut intent on his part to cause as much anger as he could.
Another question, what ethnic group is he from? Just because he appears to fairly fair skinned doesn't mean he isn't from somewhere else. He needs to found.
And don't bother asking he the 'root cause' of his insanity.
Just give him some hard souvenirs to carry for the rest of his life.

Okay, that was an assumption that the PIQ(protestor in question) was young. If not, then they should have picked up the wisdom to know better. My first thought was that this person would not last long outside his protected rally area. Who knows, perhaps someone has already explained the error of his assinine opinion to him. Unfortunately physical injury would only strengthen the protestors committment to the anti-war cause. Balanced against the satisfaction of kicking this jerks butt, then I say go for it!!!

I hear people talkin' bad,
About the way we have to live here in this country,
Harpin' on the wars we fight,
An' gripin' 'bout the way things oughta be.
An' I don't mind 'em switchin' sides,
An' standin' up for things they believe in.
When they're runnin' down my country, man,
They're walkin' on the fightin' side of me.

Yeah, walkin' on the fightin' side of me.
Runnin' down the way of life,
Our fightin' men have fought and died to keep.
If you don't love it, leave it:
Let this song I'm singin' be a warnin'.
If you're runnin' down my country, man,
You're walkin' on the fightin' side of me.

I read about some squirrely guy,
Who claims, he just don't believe in fightin'.
An' I wonder just how long,
The rest of us can count on bein' free.
They love our milk an' honey,
But they preach about some other way of livin'.
When they're runnin' down my country, hoss,
They're walkin' on the fightin' side of me.

Yeah, walkin' on the fightin' side of me.
Runnin' down the way of life,
Our fightin' men have fought and died to keep.
If you don't love it, leave it:
Let this song I'm singin' be a warnin'.
If you're runnin' down my country, man,
You're walkin' on the fightin' side of me.

Someone should take that dude with the sign and drop him in the middle of Manhattan (with the sign). Then we should start taking bets on how long before he gets the shit kicked out of him. I'd give him 30 seconds, tops

i honestly feel like retching.

#51  Poitiers-Lepanto 

 It is so veeeery gooood that I was not in SF when this idiot showed his sign...

Agreed. I'd just hope my buddies would be there to hold me back and stop me from opening up the super-size XXL Can O' Whupass.

#84 Iron Fist 3/21/2004 04:49PM PST

I am clearly, under the law, sane.

you might be but i'm not and i'm sending you the cleaning bill for making me spit tea all over my desk lsd and hellraiser lol
/demonic cackling

#122 Anant:

Right there with you...he'd do about as well as Bruce Willis did in Die Hard 3, except that in this case I seriously doubt he'd find a good Samaritan to bail his idiotarian a** out of a world of trouble.

Jonathan@mutteringthunder

Re the WTC sign. Has anyone heard from the 9-11 Families or WTC Families or whoever those women were (and the NYFD union guy) who had a problem with the brief flicker of 9-11 footage used in the Bush ad? Mmmmm?
But why am I asking such a dumb question.

How about someone forward that pix to them so we can hear how outraged they are? Now *that's* something I'd like to hear/see on CNN.

Someone should take that dude with the sign and drop him in the middle of Manhattan (with the sign). Then we should start taking bets on how long before he gets the shit kicked out of him. I'd give him 30 seconds, tops

Freedom of Speech or not:

Something is seriously wrong with San Francisco (yes, I have an acute sense of the obvious) if this turd can walk around with that sign and survive.

Just when you think the slime-licking peace jackals can't sink any lower ....

Just when they start to seem funny and harmless, kind of organ-grinder monkey cute, one of them does something that makes you want to beat them all with a crowbar.

Hi, I'm back at last. I haven't had a chance to read the comments yet but I will say right here that the SF Chronicle is describing the rally as an "Upbeat Protest In SF" on its home page now (though they change headlines frequently so it may be taken down by tomorrow). In a companion-piece article here, the now-notorious Jakub Mosur (who identified the name of a Jewish cop who arrested a protestor yesterday) takes a sympathetic picture of an ANSWER organizer as part of a puffball story on the group.
Why is it that I, a non-professional, average schmoe or schmoette, can be the sole person who goes out and takes major newsworthy photos of an event, when the city is brimming with reporters and professional photographers and countless wannabes? Am I the only person in the whole Bay Area who isn't sympathetic to the Jew-bashing America-haters? I mean, how hard would it have been for anyone -- professional journalist or not -- to spend a couple hours with a cheap digital camera taking snapshots at a rally. Sheesh! Makes me shake my head in sorrow and mystification.
Will read the comments now and clear things up where possible.

I saw that and had a rage blackout.

with accompanied visions of ripping off his arm and beating that sick fuck to death with it.

diaspora new yorker living in new mexico.

The most sickening thing about the SOB holding the I ♥ NY sign is that he's presumably an American. I mean, if Bin Laden himself walked around with that sign, I'd say "of course, he's the enemy."

But for an American to revel in the the deaths of 3000 of his own countrymen - it's lower than evil. Frickin traitor. [spit]

zombie,

Totally excellent work. Great job! Great photos.

zombie's friend:

Am I the only person in the whole Bay Area who isn't sympathetic to the Jew-bashing America-haters?

No, you're not. I know a guy there, and he's cool. So there's two of you.

I dare that f'er to wave that I love NY poster in front of me back here in the Big Apple

Excellent, news:

Sheik Ahmed Yassin is now roasting in hell.

Zombie, you are a brave soul for wading through such human detritis and photographing the crap they spew! I feel so guilty but how I would have loved to be on the rooftop with a scoped out 7mm Mag, like the guys in the new "Dawn of the Dead" picking off the creeps who remind me of certain Hollywood celebs or Arab tyrants

That is a pretty sick poster.

Fortunately, it reflects the views of zero of the people I know personally, most of which (including myself) who oppose the war.

I used to love the city. I've been living in the Bay Area since 1987. Anymore though, I think of SF as the Heart of Darkness. This assclown is a perfect example of why.

My heart aches.

Quick Quiz:
The person carrying the sign is:
a) An architectural Critic lacking any empathy
b) A Troll getting his yucks
c) A Clinical Psychopath exercising his right to Free Speech
d) The Enemy
Mark all that apply.

Of course, no one did anything to this waste of life, but can you imagine what would happen to someone in a protest group of conservatives holding a sign that said something like "I Love America, especially without Rachel Corrie!". No doubt some dumb ***k from the left would physically assault the guy holding the sign and put him in the hospital.
Sounds familiar. Religion of Peace - meet - Activists of Peace

#78   Alex
Zombie, how did you manage not to beat that person to a pulp? Also, I notice that the "Boobs not Bombs" girls are in the background, meaning you have multiple photos of the same groups of people standing in different positions. Any chance you have another photo with this guy's face in it

Sorry folks: no such luck. I do have another photo of the person, but it looked almost exactly like this one: the top half of their body is entirely obscured. But, as zombie's friend said, the guy was masked anyway.
As to how I managed to not beat him up: well, to be frank, I'm a non-violent person, and I was there to document, not fight. I think it's more important that the world sees what was really there than for me to hurt one guy and then get dragged away or arrested. Information is power. (Oh yeah: post #130 was by me, zombie -- not zombie's friend: the lgf site "remembered" the previous post name. Sorry for the confusion.)

#81   Spiny Norman
zombie,
You need to email that picture to all the *ahem* right-wingers in the media: Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly, hell, anyone at Fox News. You can try sending it to the Alphabet Networks and the big city dailies, although I'm sure they'll round-file it; but you never know.

Please, I encourage everyone to do just that. Feel free to send this link to any and all news organizations, talk-show hosts, whatever. I've devoted two days to these photos and I have to catch up on my life! But I'll do what I can.

#90   quark2  3/21/2004 04:57PM PST

This needs to also be sent to all the major blogs like Charles'.

Again, I encourage everyone to forward and refer the URL and the images on the Web site to anyone and everyone in the blog world.

#88   Kevin P.
One question though, can anyone enlarge this to see the instructions attached on the back of this sign?

#98   Kevin P.
#94 Frank IBC

Thanks, I saw that and I wondered what it said.

Maybe zombie can "find" another in the garbage and post what it says (I wish).

I'm going to try to dig something out right now...

Thanks everyone for the compliments and appreciation. It makes all my hard work worth it!

The next time you see a John Kerry commercial, think of this photograph, this is the dirt that supports Kerry.

#88   Kevin P.
One question though, can anyone enlarge this to see the instructions attached on the back of this sign?

I just checked out the original photo of the "martial law" guy and the tiny writing on the back is unreadable. It's way below the resolution level of the camera at that distance. Even zooming way in, sharpening image etc. is futile. I don't think it was very interesting anyway.

AMATEUR DETECTIVE ALERT!
I just discovered another image of the "I luv NY" evil guy. It only offers the vaguest of clues, but it's something to work with, at least. You can find three different versions of the image here. Anyone who wants to try to figure out who this guy is: these photos are your only clues. And they are, admittedly, pretty lame clues. But it might be cathartic playing detectives anyway. A very tiny, very darkened portion of his face is visible, so it's bettter than nothing.

I as much as anyone else am appalled by this. However, I do not think this is the average of American's who disagree with the war. I'm more on the liberal side of the spectrum myself, and I whole-heartedly disagree with this. And I am not so pacificistic that I wouldn't have made my own statement had I been there- mainly, with that guy walking away with a broken jaw. Jail time for me, his jaw wired shut for him. Fair trade.

But, I think the problem lies in, for one, protests always draw out the wildest and most insane of the radicals. Of any party. We could sit here and throw stones at both the radical conservatives and radical liberals all day long, and all of the stones would be on the mark.

I don't think, personally, this is symptomatic of the entire anti-war movement. Yes, there are nut-jobs in the movement that are like this. And there are nut jobs in the Conservative movement who are the polar opposite. Labelling either group as being the image of the whole is foolish.

I know alot of anti-war people. I'm probably the only one who agrees with the war in Iraq among all my friends (I view it as- irregardless of motive (and I have questions about Bush) -a good thing was done in ousting Hussein. With the war of terror, I think there's no question of motive- we were attacked, so we had to attack back. Palestine/Israel... (sigh) ... It's an ugly situation all around that's only going to get uglier.

But, none of any of the anti-war people I've spoken to would even remotely agree with this. Hell, the most fervent anti-war protestor I know is my girlfriend, and me and her have had times where we'll talk about 9/11 and just be like... It's still like, Goddamn.

I'm a rabid believe in Freedom of Speech. However, this crosses the line. This is something that is intentionally hateful and done for no other reason than to anger and hurt others. I fully respect your right to disagree with America. I disagree with it alot, myself. But do it in such a way as to not maliciously try to cause harm to other people.

.david
-And I'd like nothing more, to echo others sentiments, than to drop him in the middle of a NYPD or NYFD station. Just deserts, in my opinion.

Why? Why are you outraged? Is it because their perception of the world is so different than yours? So different to the point where you can only outright dismiss their thoughts and views as completely wrong because they are diametrically opposed to yours? This rally and the response I'm seeing on other 'right wingish' pages is symptomatic of the deep schism that's emerging on the internet... The more the two sides read about the other the more anger and outrage over their apparent 'wrongness' appears. I am worried, deeply worried that this is all going to turn very bad, very soon.

At the end of the day they were signs, created to provoke a response because from their eyes they see many wrongs occuring in the world today that are directly or indirectly a result of the foreign policy that America practices. Are they just opinions? Absolutely. If you accept this you must accept however that your views are just opinions as well. Who is right then? Who knows... who knows.

Don't forget, Kerry is their man:

Kerry Supported by Foreign Leaders

ChefQuix -- I can only hope you're joking. Not all signs and all opinions are created equal. Some opinions are just plain wrong/evil/etc. You're slipping into moral relativism.
And where did you get the notion that lgf is "right wingish"? I'm no right winger and I agree with 95% of what Charles posts here. Why? Because it is Islam that has taken up the torch of fascism and Nazism on this earth, and what used to pass as the "left" has made the epochal blunder of forming an intellectual coalition with Islam. The result is that the "left" now stands for fascism and repression, whether they know it or not. Which means that the old definitions of "left-wing" and "right-wing" have completely disintegrated and no longer have any meaning in the post-9/11 world. The old "left" only now continues along on sheer inert momentum, its moral batteries and raison d'etre having tumbled into the dustbin of history two and a half years ago. One by one, former leftists are realizing this, in order of intelligence and perceptiveness. Soon there will be no left -- or right. What will be the new political dichotomy? Neither side has a name yet -- we'll have to wait and see. I personally think the era of dichotomies is over. Each person will decide individually where he or she stands along a spectrum of positions, for each distinct political issue. People who hew to any irrational and antiquated "party line" will no longer dominate the discussion.
Because this is a mass movement of individualism, I can point to no heroes or leaders of our "side" as examples. Yet perhaps I can point to two unusual politicians who scored surprising recent victories that shocked the pundits, but not the populace: Pim Fortuyn and Arnold Schwartzenegger. Not because anyone here necessarily agrees with them, but rather because they defied the old political categorizations. One was a flamboyant homosexual who saw the need to defend the progressive and tolerant nature of his nation by keeping out the tide of fascist-minded immigrants who sought to overrun it and turn back the clock to the Middle Ages. The other is a liberal champion of personal responsibility who calls himself a Republican not because of his social beliefs but because of his fiscal cautiousness. Both completely defied the pigeonholing of "left" and "right" and realigned their political positions according to their personal preferences. The establishment (on both left and right) saw them as out-of-touch buffoons. But it was the establishment that was out of touch. Both scored stunning victories and achieved immense popularity. And their popularity was not in spite of but rather the result of being unclassifiable.
Sure, there are some lgfers who are "right wing," and there are some who consider themselves "left wing." But I'd be willing to wager that the majority fall into the "unclassifiable" category that does not yet have a label or name.
So -- why are we outraged by the signs and actions at the "Global Day of Action" rally? Not because we're "right wingish," but because we recognize ignorance, evil and brainwashing when we see them. It has nothing to do with politics whatsoever.

I thought that PETA touring Germany with their "Holocaust on your plate" show (I only found out they were in the town I live in after they'd left, worse luck) was sick, but this is just, unbelievable. I actually think that worse than the one crazed individual holding the sign is that he got away with wandering around in a huge crowd of (I presume) Americans and no one did anything.

Nice job zombie, especially in restraining any urges you might have felt to smack some of these characters, but I'd have been happier if you could report that someone had kicked the living daylights out of this guy. Or even pointed out that the sign was maybe a tad distateful. I'm not even American, let alone a New Yorker, but I think I'd have hat to punch him. In all honesty, I don't think any police at the event would really have minded.

#147 ChefQuix

STFU you goddamned idiot.

#147 ChefQuix

Who is right then? Who knows... who knows.

Let me answer this question by first telling you who is wrong: The people who pursue genocide (the real kind, not the "cultural genocide of Starbucks and McDonald's" or some such bullshit) against Jews and infidels, subjugation of women, abuse of children, brutality against gays, ... you know, all those things the left is against unless they are part of an Islamic cultural tradition... and heartlessly slaughtered people on 9-11 ... are wrong.

The people who are standing up against them, fighting to preserve freedom, liberty, and life are right.

What an ass.

I have just inadvertantly come across this page and have been reading some of your comments - I can understand the opposition to the sign carried in the picture above - I can't understand any reasoning behind a comment like that. However, I was appaled at many of the comments written in response, and I am sure that you all must be entirely unaware of how ignorant, single-minded and uneducated you sound. You are advocating violence with obviously no thought - it disgusts me. You should all be ashamed of yourselves - you are giving your country (I am assuming you are of American origin) an extremely bad name - it is pathetic. Grow up and get a real conscience.

Gee, I don't know why they say Euros are a bunch of condescending, candy-ass whiners.

RE #153 - someone needs a hug.

That sign is pretty much the definition of fighting words. I'd have taken his sign away from him, and broken it over his back.

I have just inadvertantly come across this page

A phrase that ranks right up there with "I need you to help me transfer millions of dollars from a Nigerian account" and "24, VGL, tight body" in the pantheon of cyberspace lies.

#153 sam - U.K

Are you volunteering for the baseball bat treatment?

Eat shit and die, moron.

I would like one of these Demo-idiont (it is not a mispell)peace-niks,to come down here to opp,alabama and wave that sign.Really i promise it'll be a quick death.After the dismemberment.

sam U.K.: if you want metafilter, you know where to find it.

zombie,

your site's getting hammered, it looks like, due to much linkage. I can volunteer some server space if it helps.

I thought last year's SF protest banner proclaiming the leftists' 'We Support Our Troops When They Kill thier Officers!' was disgusting... Someone needs to wash these MoonBats down with a Water Cannon. Loaded with DMSO and Vomiting Agent!

NY "anti-war" protesters stampede elderly woman and have fun while they're doing it:

Link

Holy Christ,

I'm anti-war and anti-Bush and even I want to stomp the living shit out of this cretin.

It is amazing how these spew this garbage and then these turds want respect while shouting down other views that differ with them. Europe can kiss my big hairy ass (except the ones with us). I wish these people the most excruciating painful aneurism - so that they can live like a vegtable. Death is too good for these people.

#147 ChefQuix

Are they just opinions? Absolutely. If you accept this you must accept however that your views are just opinions as well. Who is right then? Who knows... who knows.

The suggestion that there can be no right answer regarding peoples' opinions is an act of intellectual and moral cowardice.

Hitler and Pol Pot had their opinions, too. Were they right? "Who knows?" - gimme a fcuking break.

I know they were wrong. Do you?

Gizmo (#163)

The "peace people" are amazingly heartless. I can't believe what I'm seeing! 'Students for Peace' stampeding like crazed animals and trampling an old woman in the process. Disgusting.

#164 www: Make sure we know who you are when the ***t hits the fan, with your comment there, I certainly would not want people to assume you are one of the people holding signs like that. You obviously have a brain, and use it as well. You probably disagree with a lot of us on many issues, but at least you respect the people that lost their lives on 9/11. Thank you.

It's hysterical to watch all these dopes trip over each other to condemn those who see thru the administrations smoke screen just because one idiot has a sign.

Anyone who would assume the sign (if the photo is real) is representative of those opposed to the war and to the administration is clearly a freakin' buffoon.

Don't any of you think?!?

Is there a mirror to the site with the photos? It appears to be down.

I can only hope you're joking. Not all signs and all opinions are created equal. Some opinions are just plain wrong/evil/etc. You're slipping into moral relativism.

Where exactly do you get the understanding that there is in fact some absolute Truth? Our society has determined what is the Truth since we were cave men sitting around a fire grunting truths at each other. How does your sense of absolute Truth agree with the fact that our morals have changed drastically over the years? Or is it just the present time that has determined exactly what is True, which morals are the correct ones and which way society is meant to go? To me that sounds like hubris, pure and simple.

Some opinions are just plain wrong / evil / etc. Again, if you see it from the perception of the side you are lambasting they would believe that your opinions are wrong / evil / etc. Who then is right? The side that shouts the loudest, the side that has the most people? It's all relative.

Stephen (#169)

... just because one idiot has a sign.

It is not over one idiot or one sign. Perhaps you need to look through the pictures yourself and get a sense of the disgrace that the "anti-war" is.

(if the photo is real)

Um, somebody who was at the demonstration took those photos. Idiot.

Don't any of you think?!?

Too funny.

#169   Stephen
... just because one idiot has a sign.

Anyone who would assume the sign (if the photo is real) is representative of those opposed to the war and to the administration is clearly a freakin' buffoon.

Stephen -- were you there? Have you checked out the full site with all the photos here? This guy was just the tip of the iceberg. He most certainly was representative of those "opposed to the war" at this rally. In fact, most everybody there wasn't opposed to the war -- they were just opposed to the Americans winning the war.
"If the photo is real"?????? Wh' th' f'?? The guy stood there all day, seen by thousands. I've got more than one photo of him too. Can't face up to the fact that the majority of your fellow "anti-war" protestors are in fact filled with hate and violence toward the West? Look at the pictures on the site. And then sit down and have a good think about whose side you're on. There may be hope for you yet.

#170   R. Fleihr
Is there a mirror to the site with the photos? It appears to be down.

Any help anyone can provide in this regard would be most appreciated. The site has been overloaded since the moment I put it online. I'm extremely non-technical, so any assistance would be great.

zombie, see elgato's post #161.

#171   ChefQuix
Where exactly do you get the understanding that there is in fact some absolute Truth? Our society has determined what is the Truth since we were cave men sitting around a fire grunting truths at each other. ...Again, if you see it from the perception of the side you are lambasting they would believe that your opinions are wrong / evil / etc. Who then is right? The side that shouts the loudest, the side that has the most people? It's all relative.

One day, ChefQuix, you will think back to your posting here and hang your head with embarrassment and shame. Think about what you are saying. "It's all relative." Think about every crime that has ever been committed in history -- is it all relative? You are overtly stating that there is no right or wrong. This was, at one point, a philosophical argument that was taken seriously. But the "moral relativists" have lost the argument. You're defending a philosophical position that has been defeated and discredited long ago.
ChefQuix, you really need to go to a windy beach somewhere, stare off into the distance for a long long time, and ponder the real significance and consequences of your moral relativism. When you come to your senses, we will welcome you with open arms.

Until then, just shut up.

zombie,

I posted the photo on the LFG home page on another blog that I frequent hoping to raise the hackles of a few dems. It worked!!! However, I'm alot of flack that the picture looks photoshopped. And well, I tend to agree. The top and bottom half of the poster just don't sync up in terms of lettering, spacing, font, etc.

Is that picture legit?

You get these assholes every now and then, but this doesn't represent our movement.

#177   MarkD
I posted the photo on the LFG home page on another blog that I frequent hoping to raise the hackles of a few dems. It worked!!! However, I'm alot of flack that the picture looks photoshopped. And well, I tend to agree. The top and bottom half of the poster just don't sync up in terms of lettering, spacing, font, etc.
Is that picture legit?

I cannot believe what is happening. People can't accept that they are on the same side with this guy, so everyone is saying the photo must be faked! Astounding. That photo was just one of over a hundred on my site. Charles just chose it as a representative example to post here. I had no idea that one picture out of hundreds that I took that day would provoke such a reaction.

OF COURSE THE PHOTO IS REAL!!! My Web site is already overwhelmed with hits. If ANYONE has a site willing to host this, I will email you the three original photos straight from my camera, full-resolution, untouched, and you can post them there for all to see. If I do it, my ISP will probably shut down my site for overuse.
Unfreakinbelievable.

#179 zombie

If ANYONE has a site willing to host this, I will email you the three original photos straight from my camera, full-resolution, untouched, and you can post them there for all to see.

I can swing that. Send me an email if you're still interested.

zombie ,

I'm with you. I was getting a ton of flack from people and wanted to check my source one more time. I've lurked and lightly posted here for about 2 years now so I had faith that all was good. I just needed to double-check for my own sanity.

I posted the link to all the pictures on your site and the brou-ha-ha has settled down now. The rhetoric went from "it's a fake!!!" to "damn, looks legit. I don't know ANY democrats that think like that".

MarkD

Email me at doug [at] all-encompassingly.com

I can host it.

You know, when the idiot fringe of the Right Wing get together (abortion clinics, Matthew Shepard's funeral, Klan Rallies) I dare say you guys hardly come accross as the pictures of reason.

This is just so stupid. I think we've been through all this before--both sides are chockfull of nutjobs on the fringe. 99% of all left-wingers, myself included, would agree that that sign is beyond awful, stupid, treasonous, etc...But here you assholes go again trying to paint the left as broadly as possible. Commie, pinko, blah blah blah. Yeah, and all you guys are racist, homophobic, paranoid, warmongering, cousin-fucking bible beaters...

#183 Tristram

Yeah, and all you guys are racist, homophobic, paranoid, warmongering, cousin-fucking bible beaters...

That hurt. LOL!!

Thom: Do i detect sarcasm? Because, the quote you pulled was sarcastic. Or did that sail right over your head? How about addressing the substance of my post? Do you feel that the fringe of the Right Wing, represent your views?

Pat Robertson anyone? Although, I will say that he's mildest of the right wing crazies. How about that "Aids Cures Fags" rightwing nutjob preacher that pickets the funerals of homosexuals?

Chew on this...This is evidence that all right wingers are crazy.

[Link: www.godhatesfags.com...]

Q.E.D.

#186 Tristram

Oh ... the substance of your post.

Well, sure - not everyone on the left is a traitor.

True enough, but irrelevant. Ya see, this thread is about a guy who observed the protest, took some pictures, wrote up some commentary and popped it all up on the web.

Ya see, this thread is about the idiots attending the protest.

A mirror is up at http://www.swankyconservative.com.

Thom. We all know why this was posted. And the comments mostly support that--trying to portray the Left or the "LLLs" as all nutjobs.

Just when you think the slime-licking peace jackals can't sink any lower...

I would like one of these Demo-idiont (it is not a mispell)peace-niks,to come down here to opp,alabama and wave that sign

Anyhoo, i sincerly doubt that the asshat with that sign is a Democrat--he's way too radicalized to be one. And, yes, he should have had all his teeth kicked in. I would of been first in line.

#191 Tristram

"peace jackals"

"peace-niks"

This thread is specifically about the hard-left anti-war crowd.

It's an important topic because not many people are aware of the dangerous groups that fund these agitator dickheads.

I honestly don't believe the intent of this thread was a generalized smear of the left or democrats.

#185   Rayra
Getting noticed at DU, as well.

I just called my ISP to inquire about why my site is going so slow. I asked how many hits it has been getting. The tech guy, after a minute of checking the logs, said that my site with the rally photos has been getting 100,000 hits per hour. PER HOUR!! It's been up now for over 24 hours, so that means potentially over 2 million people have checked it out so far. Is that mind-boggling or what?

#180 Thom
#182   Doug  

I have sent to you both the raw images of the "I luv NY" guy. Check your emails. Hopefully you can post them to shut up the "this-must-be-photoshopped" crowd.

OMG. I just saw the picture Charles posted above. Disgusting.

Since when did San Francisco have palm trees?

I belong to a young Republican club in Texas. We're all enlisting in the Army to support George Bush. We are young and we are willing kill and be killed for our country. I don't know why the government doesn't wage war on the commie protesters in this country. We should have carpet bombed all the anti-war protests over the weekend. We only need 1 party in this country. To hell with democracy. Bush rules!

rick (#196),

That sucked.

#195 TRUTH

Oh, I dunno ...

"TRUTH" (don't you love these guys with their grandiose handles?) wrote:

Since when did San Francisco have palm trees?

If you're going to San Francisco... be sure to wear a Palestinian kaffiyeh over your hair...

#196 "rick" -- pathetic, dude. Really pathetic.

More non-existent palm trees (Golden Gate Park)!

Plenty of idiocy going around on both extremes of the political compass, I see.

#195   TRUTH

Since when did San Francisco have palm trees?

Gee, that's a brilliant point. It's so hard to answer! You really skewered me there! The rally was held in Dolores Park. It's filled with palm trees. Check out the palm trees, you idiot.

This guys face exposed!

see here

Link

Scroll down a bit he is marching.

#205 Critical Bill

Oho! Good catch.

I still can't get over the fact that no one is stomping that guy's guts out ... They're all just marching along, lost in their own little worlds.

REALITY ALERT!
Both Thom and Doug have posted on their sites the three photos I have of the "I luv NY even more without the World Trade Center" guy -- the raw, untouched, full-sized complete images, straight out of my Canon PowerShot and onto the Web. Check them out for yourselves before accusing me of having Photoshopped anything:

Thom's site with all three raw images
Doug's site with image #1
Doug's site with image #2
Doug's site with image #3

If that doesn't shut up the reality deniers, then nothing will. Pay particular attention to the third image where the guy with the sign is way over on the edge of the picture, at an angle, in extreme closeup. If that doesn't convince you the images are real, you're a lost cause.
Thank you Thom and Doug!

In other news, elgato has created a mirror site for the images
at this site. Thank you elgato!

Why is this all necessary? Because the photos have exploded across the Internet. I am getting 100,000 hits per hour on my Web page. A great number of those hits, apparently, are coming from people who think I somehow faked the images.
There comes a time when everyone has to face reality. I hope this is that time for many sensible Democrats and leftists who find themselves trapped in an abusive marriage of convenience with hatemongers and fascists. Wake up, people.

Critical Bill (#205)

Good spotting!

zombie, you did good. Don't let these morons get to you. I just noticed in the third picture (from your first link in #207) that there's a guy wearing a t-shirt, "Support The Intifada". Tell me again how the "peace people" aren't terrorist supporters. Anyone who doesn't see it is blind, plain and simple. These people disgust me, they don't care what happens to any of us. Psychos.

What a pity I that I am stone-cold sober as I read the hilariously idiotic posts in #195 and #196.

We have palm trees here in Torquay. Do you?
-Basil Fawlty trying to impress visitors from California

The Mobys remind me of this:
It is far easier for civilized men to pretend to be barbarians, than it is for barbarians to pretend to be civilized men.
-Mr. Spock, "Mirror, Mirror", Star Trek/TOS

Zombie -

Congratulations - you made both OpinionJournal/Best of the Web and InstaPundit!

#207 zombie

Instapundit? Taranto? LFG?

You've hit the big time!!

San Francisco International Airport

you made both OpinionJournal/Best of the Web and InstaPundit!

Mazel Tov, zombie, that's very cool.

#209   Frank IBC
Zombie -
Congratulations - you made both OpinionJournal/Best of the Web and InstaPundit!

Well I'll be darned. Maybe that explains the 100,000 hits an hour I've been getting. Break out the Champale!

To all the "thoughtful" LLL's who have posted that you oppose the war, but say you are appalled by and would have beat the shit out of this guy, here is a point to ponder:

He is blithely walking through a crowd that is blissfully ignoring him and thus ratifying him with their silence.

Now imagine if his sign had expressed gratitude to President Bush for ending the rape rooms, the human shredders, and the kids in jail. Then they'd have beat the shit out of him.

Think about it.

The pattern is apparent in issue after issue. What makes the LLL scream in protest and what they are willing to pass upon in complete silence speaks volumes about how they are not anti war or pro peace, they are just rooting for the other side.

Case in point: where was the outcry against Yassin when he was ordering human bomb after human bomb?

Where was the outcry against the brutalization of women by the Taliban? The shredding of dissidents, the torture of athletes, the mass rape of women by Saddam Hussein?

The protests of all the LLL's who are calling this a fringe nutjob are belied by the crowd shots.

All that said, I can't help wonder if he is a Protest Warrior, precisely showing the moral bankruptcy of the LLL because he knew they would blithely accept his presence. I know, not likely, but it is so hard to believe any "human being" could make that sign in earnest, that I am grasping at straws.

Zombie is my nickname! WHO ARE YOU!?

Having gone to a few marches myself (and I'm a honorably discharged Navy vet, did a tour in the Gulf, another in and around Mexico, etc.--so get the hell off my back about "anti-American beliefs"), I really do think this guy is fringe. Socialists are a heck of a lot more common at these marches, that I will readily admit, but they're also relatively harmless. That said, I’m quite sure the pictures are real. Mind you, I also think they’re VERY skewed (where are the pictures of Veterans For Peace, for example). I think I could do just as skewed a vision at a pro-Bush rally.

But perhaps of more import is in response to #214 rebmiami. At these marches are typically counter-protesters. I do my best to engage them in debate, as that seems to be the most useful thing such a forum could provide, and a select few abstain from such asinine dismissals as "America Hater!" and what have you. These rare debates have all been very rewarding as I've had my beliefs slightly altered by them and, it is hoped, I've altered one or two myself. The point of that, however, is that the counter-protesters were never under attack, nor beaten... They were yelled at, most certainly (and how different is that than what is experienced at any public, open rally?), but in San Diego an anti-war speaker was booed (as well as applauded) for saying California should annex itself. *shrug* Just saying, my first hand experience speaks to a pretty different scenario than the one you're presently forwarding. I will admit that many out there are simply anti-whatever is at hand...but so too would I contend that the “other side” can advocate with just as little thought employed. Note, however, that I’m not saying that’s always the case in EITHER case. Ad hoc group dismissals are crap, end of story. Perhaps that guy wasn’t beaten because they felt like he had the right, however misguided, to express himself? I don’t know about that–I wasn’t there to see how many ended up supporting or yelling at the guy. I don’t know that I would have tried to engage him in debate, either--with so asinine a message, what in the hell would be the use? Further, there’s no good to come from beating the person, so why bother? Ultimately, I would contend such a nut-job is left alone because there’s simply no use in talking with them, as is the case for the nutjobs on the extreme right.

zombie:

Claiming that my position of moral relativism is a philosophical one that has been 'defeated' years ago does not really rebutt my response. Where does your absolutism, your righteousness stem from? Tell me that and then we can start discussing. As it stands, moral relativism and the consequences of understanding that everyone comes from a different perception is not in fact the hand waving or fence sitting that everyone seems to think it is. All you have to do is tackle it from a different angle. Instead of arguing whether something is 'right' or 'wrong', perhaps evaulating an action or a thought based on it's degree of quality is a better method.

Take a look at murder or rape. By your definition of moral relativism these actions are neither right nor wrong and thus unpunishable. If you take a look at it from the metaphysics of quality then you can see that these two actions bring about a low quality of life to the people they're acted on, and thus should be regarded as immoral. You can also use this method to examine larger issues - perhaps we can apply the pursuit of Quality to the issues of Israel and Palestine. Does keeping up barriers and keeping out Palestinians lead to a higher quality of life for both? Not at all. The Palestinians are angry for the act of losing their country 50 years ago that they voice that anger with constant suicide attacks. The Israelis constantly retaliate against these attacks leading to a poor quality of life for both sides.

So clearly something needs to be done, change needs to introduced, and preferrably a solution where neither side is happy. That is the art of diplomacy - coming up with an agreement where both sides are equally dissatisfied. Change is needed; in the middle east and around the world. Yet moral absolutists like yourself cling to your perception of what is right or wrong with narry a blinked eye, refusing to budge on what you consider Good and Evil because you are unwilling to envoke the change necessary within. Like the old analogy, the mighty oak will break and die in the fierce storm whereas the supple willow bends and lives.

How about I ask you people, especially zombie over here: do you think this guy with the NY sign represents all of us?

I think the fact that nobody at the anti-war rally apparently found anything wrong with this guy's sign kind of speaks for itself.

I looked over the Dem Underground Message Board (DUMB) through Rayra's link, and came away... well... unimpressed. The closest thing to a well-reasoned thought was "Well, there are crazy stoopid people Nazis on the right, too..." but most of the comments were of the "Bush needs a blowjob" caliber of intellectual discourse.

The only negative comments about the sign were that it made the left "look bad." I didn't read where anybody actually repudiated the sentiment expressed in it.

"I think the fact that nobody at the anti-war rally apparently found anything wrong with this guy's sign kind of speaks for itself."

With all due respect, V the K, were you there? How in the heck does that link represent the Democratic viewpoint as a whole. Again, all of these dismissals based on such limited evidence... I hope none of you (and I DO note that quite a few people are NOT doing that herein!) performing such actions are scientists.

Of course, what has been said here to "actually repudiated the sentiment expressed in it," really? Most people just stated they wanted to kill/beat/etc. the person... It's such an asinine, moronic statement that it seems obvious that it's of no use, that it needs no repudiation as it deserves none, being borne of such an boneheaded idea. What would you offer in defense of the idea expressed there? I would have to come up with something that gave me an idea of how his position could be defensible before I could attack it, after all...and I surely cannot. He's an idiot and, yes, he makes the left look bad (just as people holding giant "AIDS KILLS FAGS" posters at rallies hurts the right). It just seems silly to limit the view to such a degree--this extreme lefty doesn't represent the movement any more than an extreme right-winger does!

OpinionJournal, Instapundit, way to go zombie. Great photos. Has anyone seen if Protestwarrior.com was at any the anti-US rallies?

I think expressing the sentiment that sign guy should have been beaten up is a strong repudiation of his comments. However, all the bystanders in all the pictures seem pretty nonchalant about it.

So, zombie (and congrats on the Best o' the Web nod, by the way) did you see anyone at the anti-Americawar rally take sign-boy to task over his sign?

1. To reject the validity or authority of: “Chaucer... not only came to doubt the worth of his extraordinary body of work, but repudiated it” (Joyce Carol Oates).
2. To reject emphatically as unfounded, untrue, or unjust: repudiated the accusation.
3. To refuse to recognize or pay: repudiate a debt.
4. a. To disown (a child, for example).
b. To refuse to have any dealings with.
-dictionary.com

Call me anal and a semantics-geek but given the above, I would contend ignoring is just as at least just as valid a repudiation as a threat to harm. Silence isn't consent. But, given definitions # 2 & 3, perhaps we should instead endeavor to explore exactly how dumb the idea is? *shrug* All seems self-evident to me, thus (especially when one considers just how little good a discussion with one such as this guy would do), I'll opt for the final definition above in respect to this schmuck.

That guy needs to have his ass kicked.
Little pukes like these SF Types could benefit from a nice dose of Sarin or mustard gas. Perhaps a few palestinian suicide bombers set loose in the Moscone Center.

It's a sad day for America that people so full of hatred for this great country are allowed to spew their bile. Some day he and all his evil democrat/socialist/liberal/left-wing buddies will be flushed down the toilet.

Maybe I should pop in at the next "rally" and start cracking some skulls!

#226 --- Obviously from the Hunter S. Thompson "Tear gas only licks at the problem, nerve gas solves is" school of thought. Ultimately, though, Major Uncool. The sentiment that Americans should be gassed, blown up, and/or massacred is not one shared by me or the majority on LGF, and such invective is not welcome here.

See, not so hard. Why can't the DU left manage something so simple when it comes to WTC-sign-guy.

Let met get this straight. You're with the "they hate us because of our freedom" crowd (as opposed to the "they hate us because they're on the pointy end of our foreign policy" crowd), but you publically entertain torture fantasies about some idiot for exercising his freedom? The fact that he could get away with this is precisely what makes this country worth defending! You may hate him, you may wish you could stop him somehow, but if you actually would stop him, then you've rejected our Constitution and don't deserve to call yourself American anymore.

#228 - somebody REALLY needs a hug.

It seems really BAD for Bush et al. to say something because, well, he's BAD.

But (a) some yahoo can put up a sign that celebrates the deaths of 3,000 New Yorkers and (b) NO ONE around him looks shocked or disgusted and (c) WE are the bad guys for jumping to conclusions.

what constantly amazes me is the attempt to parallel bush and hitler. if anyone would sit down and read a history book , hitler was a socialist democrat.

I have been thinking about all the claims and statements that a lot of people have said about Bush and his people and they offer no proof about what they claim and no one seems challenge them but the public believes them and dont believe the administration. So I have a suggestion if someone could put a statement out that a lot of the internet could see and see how it goes and if someone wants proof.
Lets say I have learned from and undisclosed sort from Novak's staff that has read the transscript with his interview with the unknown source that leaked out the CIA woman's name and the source told me that it was Wilson himself that told Novack that as they wanted to bring Bush down. If anyone has a way to get this out I would like to see the reaction. Any interest let me know. I think it is time that people that want to hear the truth do something and stop thiese people from making statements they cannot back up. Bill