I bet he hearts NY more without the towers, too.

Sorry I missed the toronto protest guys, but I slept through it.

I was dismissed from the psychiatric hospital at 5:00AM the night before, and I was real tired...dont ask...

Get the fuck out of my country!

I'm guessing that "Kilafah" has the same triconsonantal root as "caliph." evariste?

Can you imagine Canadians moving to Saudi Arabia and holding up signs saying, "WE WANT A CHRISTIAN THEOCRACY"?

#4 Amritas

I think the root letters are kha, laam, & faa, so I think that's right.

Take your pick, fuckwit. There's plenty of mini-Caliphates for you to move your ass to. No, it's all about leeching off of and destroying all that's great with the West.

It's like living next to a guy with a great restored car. Ask him how much he'll sell it for, and he says $25k. Well, if you can't afford that, what should you do? Why throw a cinder block at the windshield one night. Then go to work on the side panels with a baseball bat on another. Slash the tires the next. Throw a flaming towel into the interior the night after. Then dump some sugar in the gas tank. "Now how much for the car?"

Sooner or later, the poor neighbor won't want it. Nor will the destructive jealous person. But it wasn't about the car in the first place.

What's the yellow flag say? I'm assuming it's Arabic, --Honor Killers, Toronto chapter, maybe.

Model4 (#7),

That just about sums up their attitude completely.

#3

But who will do it?

#5

Of course not. And they know it. They're picking at our weakness, exploiting our "guilt." Victimhood at a national scale.

Kilafah my a@@! Go back to your stinking hole.

#2 Deathberg

Sorry I missed the toronto protest guys

You're fired.

Muslims in Toronto demonstrate for a Khilafah—an Islamic state—in Canada

Never a dull moment. Oh joy!

This is wrong on so many levels.

Why don't they emigrate back to a damn Khilafah state?

(I know the answer...)

Folks, its us or them.

If we haven't realized it yet, they sure have.

#4 Amritas -

Yes, it's the same word, basically.

I would really, really like to see a point-counterpoint between these people and a group of "indigenous Canadians" or Inuits.

Should be a good moral dilemma for the LLLs.

#8 Doss -

I can't make out the letters. The font is too "funky".

There needs to be a vote for the most disgusting protester

Candidates:

-The Bomb wearing Spanish women

-"we support our troops when they shoot their officiers"

-I love NY especially with out the world trade center"

-etc

This is from "SCTV", isn't it?

ISN'T IT???

Amritas -

"Khalif" is to "King" as "Khalifa" is to "Kingdom", I think.

sounds like falafel... translation... global Islamic theocracy run by elite councils appointed by emirs appointed by a single caliph, designed to sound so appealing... test on a small patch first...

#14 Paladin 3/22/2004 06:41PM PST

Folks, its us or them.

If we haven't realized it yet, they sure have.

Frighteningly true, my friend.

Lysander

I see. So the Muslims will get their caliph in Canada long before the Quebecians* get their country? Figures. ;-^

*Unsure of plural.

I kinda given up on Canada. Sorry, fellow Northern Hemisphere sharers.

How many people were on this demo?

#18 Frank IBC

I thought 'maliik' was 'king', but I could be talking out my a**.

Charles & Co...

You really must check out

Arab 'News'"

Almost entirely (finally - why does it take them 33 hours?) devoted to condemnation of Yassin/Assassination.

Amazing. Truely.

GoatGuy

Sooo tired of these douchebags and the suckwit socialists who coddle them.

Can we start this gotdang war before I get too old and fat to fight in it?

#15 Frank IBC, Gddmd Nightmare w/ Chest Hair

The font is too "funky".

It sounds strange to hear Arabic referred to as funky. I'm trying to picture a Saudi disco, but burkas and kaffiyehs don't seem to blend well with bell-botttoms and afros. George Clinton rocks Riyadh. :)

(Upside?) Hey! Think of the improvement in ice fishing technology if we could convince the dumber, more extreme ones that all the fish are infidels and should be splodeyed:

The fish?

Yes! Down that hole in the ice...juuump into the hole.
Thattaboy...annnd BOOOM!

maybe not

jeez--will they force the leafs to wear long pants under sharia--i don't think the molsonites would approve ehhh--but canadiens are so polite and nice they'll probably switch from hockey to buzkashi just not to offend the umma

#20 Lysander

The longer we wait, the greater the coming bloodbath is going to be.

The P.R.K. (Peoples Republik of Kanada) ass-kissed, P.C.ed, and appeased their way into this mess: screw 'em!!! Now maybe the mounties will have something to do. Let those krazies come down to the US with that crap it's gonna' be a big fight!!! Remember the last time some sorry MF's wanted to try to split the US. Not pretty. Not at all.

/apologies to the free men and women in central/western Canada(Freehold)

caliph means successor--as in successor to the prophet--the caliphate is the umma being run by mo's successor under the caliph--elected from the pious under the sunnis--hereditary member of mo's family under shia interpretation--which of course calls for a fight--yeeeaaarrrggghhh

#21 Nell - plural: Quebecers.

#7 Model4 - you got it.

I wonder how many they were. Doesn't seem like a crowd. Seems more like a joke in front of the City Hall (?). But then, in about ten years' time it won't be a joke anymore.

So, the Caliphate is coming to North America. A you redblooded Canadians going to allow that to happen in your country? We Americans sure don't want it here, and won't have it here. Do something.

GoatGuy (#24)

Looks like the Saudis are pissed that their money went up in smoke like that.

#24 GoatGuy

Their cartoon is good. I kept looking at it, asking "And...?"

Lysander

The Great White Calipahte. That does have a sick ring to it.

I agree, it's us or them -- they know it. We are trying to wake up from a long freedom bender, wishing the loud noise would just go away.

To be fair, religious Jews want the messiah to come, and end all war everywhere, so the lion and the lamb live in peace.

That's the same thing, right?

Zulu / Lysander - exactly my take on it. And so?

The single most effective retort that I've heard yet on this one was, "Well, let's see ... if we find bin Laden, we're going to try to capture him, and if we can't, we'll kill him. It seems difficult to argue the opposite opinion of what the Israeli's have done to Yassin"

Touche!

GoatGuy

My son says the writing on the yellow flag is probably a logo of some sort, but that part of one of the letters may be covered because the flag is waving. In other words, although he is fluent in Arabic, he can't read it either.

Paladin: "Folks, its us or them. If we haven't realized it yet, they sure have."

Wonder why that is? Bush has put everyone to sleep by repeating that there aren't any nasty Islamic Fascists out there, just a handful of terrorists.

As soon as someone in political authority definitely names the enemy, the educational process can start. But not before.

So the best thing any of us can do in the next seven and a half months is to force the issue onto the political stage. If not, we deserve what happens.

kemal attaturk abolished the caliphate under the turkish osmanate sultan in march, 1924--so... like... are they going to go to the turkish parliament for a legal restoration or just skate around toronto blovating for the right of return--canucks be afraid--liberty is fragile and must be defended from the darkside--may the force be with you before they turn the chateau frontanac into a mosque--remember the church of hagia sophia in constantinople became a mosque--you're next great white northern multiclit heads

What they're relly saying is : "Please shoot me ...before I shoot you"

#37 Josh 3/22/2004 07:01PM PST

To be fair, religious Jews want the messiah to come, and end all war everywhere, so the lion and the lamb live in peace.

That's the same thing, right?

Uhh, no. Different method of execution - literally.

Lysander

If it is what they want, no problem...

I meant if they want to be shot...

As for the Arab News cartoon, it was a missile delivered courtesy of the IAF, not a tank!

I wonder if these "Kilafahists" will be as harmless as other Candian separtist movements. Canada has an amazing history of groups who sound like they would be violent and revolutionary (in any other country) being meek and reasonable in Canada. I think French separatism has led to only one or two deaths in all of its history. One kidnapping.

Or will this lead to intimidation, drivebys, car bombs etc. like it does in the rest of the world.

Will Canada continue it's charmed life?

It might you know. Canada has an amazing history of letting immigrant groups live however they want. There's a right to be educated in your own language and a toothless, voluntary Muslim court for contractual disputes...

What do you Canadians think. Is this an isolated, group? Are they small enough, Canadianized enough or appeased enough to stay peaceful? Do they have demands that are more resonable than the sign suggests (that would be very Canadian).

IDF enters north Gaza Strip

I hope they're Rantissi-hunting.

#40 Gary Bruce . . .

As soon as someone in political authority definitely names the enemy, the educational process can start. But not before.

GoatGuy (#38)

Our bin Laden

Ahmed Yassin's death is a signal victory for Israel and for the war against terrorism. He was the military and spiritual leader of the terror war against Israel, just as Osama bin Laden is, or was, the military and spiritual leader of the war against the West.

Intent, as Americans learned on 9/11, is not a limiting factor for the jihadis the West faces today. Not in New York, Bali, Madrid, Jerusalem, or even in Riyadh or Casablanca. The idea that by not fighting back we can limit the terrorists' appetite for death is exactly what they want us to believe. The engendering of such beliefs is precisely the jihadis' theory of victory, the tipping point at which terror has won and will only worsen in order to deepen the victory and the West's subjugation.

#40 Gary Bruce . . .

Well that (#49) got screwed. Anyway, to say again but quicker . . . I don't think Bush can name the enemy because (1) we need lots of countries to help us so we can't be against "Islamofascism" because we will be accused of being against "Islam" and (2) there is so much PC-ness in the U.S. that Bush would lose the election if he named the enemy.

We'll just have to limp along fighting the War on "Terror."

I know that people here will find it impossible to believe, but I think that if any secular culture can seduce it's Muslim population into meekness, it's Canada...

But I have a feeling that Candian civilness and reasonableness might be catching. I grew up in Canada.. But perhaps, having moved away when I was a teenager I lack an adult perspective.

Any Canadians have an opinion?

As someone who spent 5 years of his life living in Toronto, I can tell you the UN is correct when they rank it among the top 5 cities in the world on their 'human development index' and quality of life scale. And it's canadians who made it that way, from all walks of life, all religions, and all ethnicities, save one (guess which).

Last time I checked, there was no arab city or country that ranked anywhere, on any list, in terms of positive quality of life.

These islamic shitheads living in Toronto calling for the caliphate are demonstrating 'the problem with Islam'.

And canadians, slow to anger and PC to a ridiculous fault, let them have their say, and that's great.

There will come a day when the canada of ww2 (which entered the war ahead of the US) will once again re-emerge.

Another point, unlike Europe, Canadian culture DOES accept recent immigrants as Canadians. At least as much as the US does.

Candians accept immigrants more easily than any other country but they also demand less than the United States. There isn't much of a concept of what makes someone Canadian, and more accomidation in language etc.. It's a unique place in that way.

There are so may places like the universities, particulary York, where these characters hang out and stare at you. Like "what are you doing in what's going to be my country" They don't even know which way is up.

I'm all for this. Seriously! Give 'em Quebec.

In Quebec, the bloodthirsty Imams will be prohibited from giving their typical sermons calling for the murder of Americans and Jews - unless they repeat them word-for-word in Francais. Violia! Hate-filled Islamic sermons are cut in half.

Promothea:

I don't think Bush can name the enemy because (1) we need lots of countries to help us so we can't be against "Islamofascism" because we will be accused of being against "Islam" and (2) there is so much PC-ness in the U.S. that Bush would lose the election if he named the enemy.

I think Bush is under the delusion there is still time for political reform to take effect throughout the Moslem world. But the development of Islamic nukes upends that political strategy--in fact, it renders it neutered. And Bush isn't doing anything to stop that proliferation that I can see.

Which takes us back to generating national support for the kind of military conflict that will have to be very bloody in order to be effective. That can't be done without a political campaign here at home.

Even without that kind of leadership from Bush, we have the Islamic Fascists to look to for help this year.

National elections in Afghanistan, Japan and the US will attract their violent attention. Along with the continuing violence in Iraq and Israel, the global war will leave Bush backed into a corner. Either fight or be abandoned by the allies you think we need to win.

Then, of course, there are events like the Olympics, the two political conventions here in the US, etc. It will be a bloody and violent year--and Bush won't be able to ride the political status quo for long.

#6 Jaffar, #15 Frank IBC

Thanks!

#23 Jaffar

I thought 'maliik' was 'king', but I could be talking out my a**.

Yeah, malik is "king," but what Frank meant was that khilafah was to khalif what "kingdom" is to "king" in English: i.e., just as kingdoms are domains possessed by kings, khilafahs are domains possessed by khalifs.

According to this Arabic-English dictionary, khilaafah is "caliphate" in English.

evariste, where are you?

Sure Wish I had heard that this was happening before the day after it took place.

I would have loved to add support to any Jewish Groups as I am assuming there must have been one or two present!

If anyone ever hears of such happenings in Toronto, feel free to email me and let me know.

TIA

#57 Gary Bruce

You're the first person I've seen who's suggested an Islamofascist attack on Japan. Do you have a scenario worked out for the possible effects of such an attack?

NO WONDER TORONTO IS GOING THROUGH A RASH OF MULTIPLE ANTI-SEMITIC INCIDENTS THIS LAST 10 DAYS...THEY JUST ARRESTED AN IRANIAN IMMIGRANT TONIGHT..
Reza Safaei, 46, faces three counts of mischief under $5,000

[Link: www.thestar.com...]

This is almost comical...I never thought I would live to see the day they would start protesting here in Toronto, of all places, for an Islamic State.

LOL

Between this photo and today’s latest franchised AQ group warning letter, they almost seem like a parody of their former selves over the past week.

Between the message from Hamas "Hell is going to unleash itself on Israel, yadda yadda yadda" to AQ's warning to the west...it can’t just be me that seems them as quite comical, despite their deadly aims?

ShiksaGrrrl:

If anyone ever hears of such happenings in Toronto, feel free to email me and let me know.

We demontrated as the U of T chapter of Protest Warrior. You can join at hq.protestwarrior.com

khilafah.com mentions another term imamah (presumably with a triconsonantal root 'alif-mim-mim) with "the same meaning" as khilafah. Do both of these words share the same "filling": i.e., the i-aa-a vowel pattern + final -h?

KH-L-F root:
KH-i-L-aa-F-a-h

'-M-M root:
'-i-M-aa-M-a-h

Give them their islamic state. Deport them to saudi arabia where they can be free, instead of having to put up with things like democracy, rule of law, and other religions.

See how keen they are to leave!!

#47 Joshua

I wonder if these "Kilafahists" will be as harmless as other Candian separtist movements. Canada has an amazing history of groups who sound like they would be violent and revolutionary (in any other country) being meek and reasonable in Canada. I think French separatism has led to only one or two deaths in all of its history. One kidnapping.

Front de Libération du Québec

At least two of the FLQ members had also received guerrilla training in selective assassination from Palestinian commandos in Jordan.

From 1963 to 1970, the FLQ committed over 200 political actions, including bombings, bank hold-ups and at least three deaths by FLQ bombs and two deaths by gunfire. In 1963, Gabriel Hudon and Raymond Villeneuve were sentenced to 12 years in prison for crimes against the state after their bomb killed Sgt. O'Neill, a watchman at Montreal's Canadian Army Recruitment Center. By 1970, twenty-three members of the FLQ were in jail, including four convicted murderers, and one member had been killed by his own bomb. Targets included English owned businesses, banks, McGill University, and the homes of prominent English speakers in the wealthy Westmount area of the city.

As a Marxist group, the FLQ was also greatly opposed to the United States's ruling class and one cell supposedly plotted to blow up the Statue of Liberty, but they were apprehended before this could occur.

On October 5, 1970, members of the FLQ's Liberation cell kidnapped James Richard Cross, the British Trade Commissioner. Shortly afterwards, on October 10, the Chénier cell kidnapped the Quebec Vice-Premier and Minister of Labour, Pierre Laporte, whom they later murdered on October 17, 1970.

We now have a very viable CONSERVATIVE party and hope that many Canadians will finally bounce our extremely corrupt Liberal Government in this upcoming spring election.

If Stephen Harper wins...he will be much more Amerian a PM then any we have seen in a very long time! ;-)

Given the attitude of most Canadians (folks on this board excepted) these people are well on their way to getting their wish.

Ready for the muzzein's call in Ottawa?

#57 Gary Bruce :

And Bush isn't doing anything to stop that proliferation that I can see.

I'm pretty darn delighted about all the chemical and nuke supplies he got from Libya, and know for a fact Iraq isn't making any more. The US is also leading the UN in an effort to get them to crack down on N Korea and Iran, while Pakistan's shenanigans have been exposed to daylight.

Far less than what needs to happen, but a hell of an improvement over the last several years.

I think Bush is under the delusion there is still time for political reform to take effect throughout the Moslem world.

I think he suffers from the knowledge that if the war were stated and acted upon in clear terms, it would be suicide for his presidency and his party, devestate the world economy, and likely touch off several nations either entering the war against us, or sparking off other wars.

I think he's doing what he can, hoping for allies to join in whole-heartedly, and expecting things to get worse, triggering the larger conflict. It sucks, but that's my impression.

#54 Joshua Scholar

Candians accept immigrants more easily than any other country but they also demand less than the United States. There isn't much of a concept of what makes someone Canadian, and more accomidation in language etc.. It's a unique place in that way.

Right mate, and look what it's led to...

Truth about Islam

It's probably best that I wasn't there.

Just a reminder, we still have friends in Canada.

#47 Please remember a couple of important facts.

1) In 1986 a Sikh "militant" organization, allowed to thrive in Canada because of "multiculturalism", placed bombs on 2 planes bound for India. One bomb went off in the air, killing almost 300 people, primarily of Indian descent. One bomb went off in the baggage handling area of Narita airport in Japan, killing one baggage handler. Except for a headwind or tailwind, it would have gone off in the air, killing another 300 people.

2) The trial for those "militants" started late last year and is going on. For almost 18 years the RCMP did not do anything. They were too busy trying to destroy the enemies of the Prime Minister.

3) No significant change in security in Canada ever occurred because the government in power then -- the same as the one now -- has an open door policy for immigrants of colour, who they assume will vote Liberal.

4) Canadians of muslim descent have killed or planned to kill citizens of the US because there is no security apparatus in Canada that cares if they kill you.

5) The current Prime Minister and the former Prime Minister were against the war in Iraq because both are financially beholden to the Desmarais family from Quebec, who owns Power Corp, which happens to be the largest shareholder of TotalElf, the french oil firm that once had sweetheart deals with Saddam.

6) The vast majority of Canadians hate you. They are jealous of you. And they do not care that terrorists love to use Canada as an entrance point into the USA.

7) Close your borders with us now if you wish to cut down on terrorists entering your country.

It just occurred to me that by coincidence, the ending of caliphATE almost matches khilaafah, which becomes khilaafat with -t before a suffix or another noun: e.g., khilaafat-ii "my caliphate" (-ii = "my").

This is perhaps an obvious question and one which may have been asked already, but if Islamic states are so great, then why the hell are they over here in the first place?

#68 Sergio

Given the attitude of most Canadians (folks on this board excepted) these people are well on their way to getting their wish.

Hey Sergio, did you take a gander at the mass of loonies marching in Hollywood on the weekend?

Now those are people with an attitude. Don't for a minute believe that the good ol' US of A doesn't have it's own shitload of leftist assholes ready to roll out the red carpet for these Neanderthals ...to a tearjerking rendition of Kumbaya yet.

There may be a border on the 49th parallel but there is no fundamental difference between being 200 miles north or 200 miles south of it. None whatever.

# 71

not to many friends according to McLean which said only 15 percent support a second term for Bush

I am Canadian and I like the US a lot. I think that Canadians do like the US...
however, with regard to the Kilafah, I doubt that the group promoting this likes either Canada or the US.

I think that George Bush, et. al., made most religions obsolete or at least in need of a serious update with the recent Mars Rovers and the information on the NASA site.

Since space exploration is going to be ongoing and ever more fruitful one has to wonder about the intelligence of following the teachings from the year 670 AD or so instead of learning about science.

Question: in a Kilafah will I be required to believe that Mars is just a faint lantern in the sky? Can no one see how silly this whole thing is?

Suggestion: check out
[Link: www.jpl.nasa.gov...]
and follow the daily news of the Mars Rovers as they explore ANOTHER PLANET.

In certain states in this country (such as NY), the civil courts recognize the rulings of Jewish religious courts called Dins. If both parties (who are religious Jews) agree to be bound by the ruling of the Din, then they go before it (it is composed of rabbis). The Din's ruling is then recognized by NY state courts. It is used mainly in cases involving marital and commercial disputes. They are akin to arbitrators, whose decisions are also recognized by courts.

But the existence of these courts doesn't mean that those who use them don't have to obey the laws of the US and NY.

I don't have a problem with having the same thing for Muslims, as long as non-Muslims don't have to have anything to do with them if they have a dispute with a Muslim. If the Muslims want to have their own religious bodies resolve disputes between consenting Muslim parties, who cares?

But to restore the Caliphate in Canada??? It's my understanding that that would mean that Muslims would be subject to their own laws instead of secular law in all areas. They would be tried by their own courts for all offenses and would not be under the jurisdiction of the secular courts. And, under Muslim law, a non-Muslim cannot testify against a Muslim, which would mean that the Muslim automatically wins against an infidel in an Islamic court. That would be an extremely dangerous precedent to set in a democracy.

Can someone give me the original link to this pic? I'm trying to smite a snake and they it not die till I show it's not photoshopped! Thanks

This is not joke. Islam is out to conquer the world and we let this cancer into our country.

It is time for us re-evaluate and revoke citizenships for people trying to subvert the country.

This is treason. If they want to live in an islamic state, let them move back to one of the shit holes they come from.

Wherever Islam goes, terror, destruction and terror follows. It is the religion of the devil.

I have been a Torontonian all my life. I have engaged many Muslims (at work and elsewhere) on topics related to Islam, terrorism, Israel etc. Most of these Muslims are non-Arab (ie Pakistanis, Indian, etc).
All of them (and I mean every last one) supports portraying Islamic culture and religion in as a positive a way as is possible. Amazingly, there are no rebellious attitudes, serious criticism or even healthy scepticism of their heritage.
Some of the more serious "thinkers" amongst these Islamic-Canadians propose the restoration of what they term the "Kalifah". To the best of my understanding, this "Kalifah" is to be a Islamic empire situated in the
current majority Islamic countries. They propose to dissolve the current borders in the Arab world and create one big centralised Islamic nation. They propose to add as many non-Arab Islamic communities bordering on this nation as it is possible to acheive. (Albania, Afiganistan, Kahmir, Dagestan, Chechnia, Bosnia, Kosovo, and parts of India and China).
The next step is to come up with some kind of elite council to project a supreme leader for the Kalifah. This would be the new Islamic Caliph himself. He would not live anywhere near Canada. His role is to become the supreme religious/military/political leader of the Islamic Umma on earth.
The agenda of the Caliph would be to protect the Umma, defend Islam and expand the Islamic empire in all directions

To Joshua Scholar...

I was born here in Alberta and I must say I am deeply concerned about Canada as a whole...

You have to understand, we have had 35 years of brutal multiculturism and socialism rammed down our throats by our education system and media...and most Canadians have blindly bought into these nation destroying ideologies...just look at the worship of the U.N. here in Canada...it is most haunting indeed!

Alberta and most of the West have somewhat of a better grasp on things but unless we can somehow turn back decades of socialism in this country in a hurry, our country will be the launching pad for various Islamic attacks either here in Canada and the U.S...indeed, we are far too late to prevent this...

You simply cannot imagine how blind the average Canadian is to the threat we are under against Islam and its terroristic ways...not unlike your average protest crowd from Berkely...

Canadians have learned NOTHING from History...they hope by burying there heads in the sand and sucking upto Islam via Multiculturism will somehow placate an ideology that is hellbent on enslaving the world...

Now granted, I think what will have to happen is that when things get out of control up here as they will, America will be forced to step in and teach us some lessons about reality...

America will not put up with a hostile petulant nasty little country too the North for long...and once Islamic crazies start doing there homework, our time will be shorter then we think...

Simply put...this country stands for gutlessness and cowardlyness...we once were a great nation...that fought bravely...but Multiculturism and Socialism have ruined us...

We are ripe for takeover...I simply hope it is America that gets us first...

Or at least that Alberta seperates...

Thanks

A deeply cynical Albertan

84, the link from the pic is LGF's photoalbum. I need desperately to know if the pic is real, if so, from where. Or if it's photoshopped. Thanks.

eainsf, clicking on the picture will take you to the website that it's from. It's not LGF's photo album.

The Canadians deserve no less. You sleep in the bed you made. Up in Canada, the opinions expressed by almost each and everyone of you (and me) on this blog are punishable by law. Except if of course if you express hate toward white people, in which case the Canadian Goverment will subsidize you.

Interesting Perspectives.

Lots of hate talk and calls for killing and mass slaugher - based on religion and race.

I'm game. This world of diversity is a proven failure.

The easiest way to hate is to believe the other guy hates us more.

Only the strongest deserve to live. God is with us.

Let's stack rank the religions and races and work our way down the list!

#73 Bruce

"6) The vast majority of Canadians hate you. They are jealous of you. And they do not care that terrorists love to use Canada as an entrance point into the USA."

Uhm, what? No more than the vast majority of Minisotans "hate and are jealous of" Californians... Which is to say, not at all. I think you're projecting.

Do they care about terrorism? I have no idea. I haven't been to Canada since 9/11. I wouldn't be shocked if Canadians are waiting. Wanting to put off making any decisions.

But jealous of Americans? The Canadians who are jealous of Americans all moved here. It's not like that's hard to do.

#86 Proud Albertan

Perhaps Canadians will be harder on Muslims socially than Americans are. You know Canadians DO have higher expectations than Americans do when it comes to civility. And I have no idea whether that will work against them or for them.

I still have this hope that Canada can seduce its Muslims, just as I hope that America can demand loyalty from second and third generation Muslims the way we demanded loyalty from all other immigrant groups. Each country to its strength...

America's strength is that it offers freedom and demands loyalty in return.

Canada's strength is that the cold builds solidarity and civility, just to survive. All other values shrink in importance when the body feel threated with exposure. You feel that you need other people to survive.

Canadians care less for status, and more for connection because if you're not out in the 40 below weather then, you're succeeding in some psychological sense.

#90 Thinking Man

Definately a troll!

GAZE.

D'oh

Thanks agents 84 and 88

#33 epg

So, the Caliphate is coming to North America. A you redblooded Canadians going to allow that to happen in your country? We Americans sure don't want it here, and won't have it here. Do something.

I vote that we shake some cans of beer and spray 'em with it. I bet they'll shrivel up like the wicked witch of the west.

#94 A Reader

Are you daft, man? Haven't you ever heard of witch's brews [rim shot]

1. Muslims

2. More Muslims

3. Convert the Rest to Christianity or Atheism

That is my list.

#61 Faigalah MD.

NO WONDER TORONTO IS GOING THROUGH A RASH OF MULTIPLE ANTI-SEMITIC INCIDENTS THIS LAST 10 DAYS...THEY JUST ARRESTED AN IRANIAN IMMIGRANT TONIGHT..

Reza Safaei, 46, faces three counts of mischief under $5,000

I figured it was young muslims. A bit surprising it's an older man.

It funny how people so concerned about "racism" towards them can act so...racist.

This kind of thing here can only get worse if we draw too many middle easterners through immigration, relative to other nationalities. From some I've talked to, Canada is seen more as a hotel, something temporary, rather than a permanent home. You can imagine what their kids will grow up to be like. To bad there's no melting pot here, it could help them.

#68 Sergio

Given the attitude of most Canadians (folks on this board excepted) these people are well on their way to getting their wish.

Ready for the muzzein's call in Ottawa?

You know, in the anglo speaking part of the country at least, the majority of people do tend a bit towards right of center. But we are whipped by this concept of non-American at all costs, such that the other side of the political spectrum prevails.

#69 Model4

"I think Bush is under the delusion there is still time for political reform to take effect throughout the Moslem world."

I think he suffers from the knowledge that if the war were stated and acted upon in clear terms, it would be suicide for his presidency and his party, devestate the world economy, and likely touch off several nations either entering the war against us, or sparking off other wars.

I think he's doing what he can, hoping for allies to join in whole-heartedly, and expecting things to get worse, triggering the larger conflict. It sucks, but that's my impression.

Sad but true. It doesn't pay off politically to be prescient or to act pre-emptively. Look at the vitriol being spinned against him now, domestically. If he were to draw the line in the sand for the big war, he'd be through politically.

In Democracies, you don't gather nuts for the long winter ahead. What matters is getting elected now, and blaming your predecessors for problems that were created before even they came into office. So much for statecraft.

The shit has to hit the fan first, before major moves can be made to fix the real global problems of our time. I kinda worry about which city in the US will be obliterated by a nuke first.

#80 Rob

Since space exploration is going to be ongoing and ever more fruitful one has to wonder about the intelligence of following the teachings from the year 670 AD or so instead of learning about science.

How does that joke go...Why are there no Arabs in Star Trek? Because it takes place in the future.

Suggestion: check out
[Link: www.jpl.nasa.gov...]
and follow the daily news of the Mars Rovers as they explore ANOTHER PLANET.

How dare you! What are you thinking, this humiliation you're making our Arab friends feel?

#85 DCCLXX

I have been a Torontonian all my life. I have engaged many Muslims (at work and elsewhere) on topics related to Islam, terrorism, Israel etc. Most of these Muslims are non-Arab (ie Pakistanis, Indian, etc).

All of them (and I mean every last one) supports portraying Islamic culture and religion in as a positive a way as is possible. Amazingly, there are no rebellious attitudes, serious criticism or even healthy scepticism of their heritage.

The lack of self-examination, self-criticism, that is their biggest flaw. There will be no muslim Renaisannce without it.

#90 Thinking Man

Interesting Perspectives.
Lots of hate talk and calls for killing and mass slaugher - based on religion and race.
I'm game. This world of diversity is a proven failure.
The easiest way to hate is to believe the other guy hates us more.
Only the strongest deserve to live. God is with us.
Let's stack rank the religions and races and work our way down the list!

Interesting. I don't believe I've read your digest.

How about taking your philosophy to the Religion of Peace first. Once they agree to pacify, then I'll buy what you're selling.

Canada deserves all the trouble they're going to have -- and the US is a close second.

This is what happens when you are so open-minded that your brains fall out -- someone comes along and takes advantage of your brainlessness.

People who are too afraid of being offensive to say the truth about the Muslims in their midst deserve the consequences.

Amritas, sorry, I was busy first with Minipud and later with some friends and I missed your post. Caliph is indeed the exact same word as khalif, just transliterated liberally. The triconsonantal root word is Kh(a)L(a)F(a). As for your question in #65, yes, they are identical constructions!
Kh(a)-L(a)-F(a):Kh(i)LAF(a)H::'(a)-M(a)-M(a):'(i)M AM(a)H.
I'm using the informal convention of referring to actual letters with capital letters, and to diacritical vowelization signs with lowercase letters in parentheses. There's probably a better one but this is the one I just made up and that's good enough for me!
And you're right about it being coincidence that Caliphate is similar to Kh(i)LAF(a)T. Occam's razor would otherwise be dissatisfied with our sophistry :-) Caliphate is a perfectly legitimate formation from Caliph within the rules of English.

to break the norm i cought the 700 club [cbn] news it seems there is a movement in europe of electing right wing groups to office the story focused on europe and predicted basicly all these leftist parties are on there way out [yadda yadda yadda yeah i know spain] because the silent conservative majority of europeans are tired of muslim immigrants basicly doing nothing but raising rabble and demanding special rights the main focus was france and belgium and norway anyone else got any info on this stuff

#105 jimmytheclaw

to break the norm i cought the 700 club [cbn] news it seems there is a movement in europe of electing right wing groups to office the story focused on europe and predicted basicly all these leftist parties are on there way out...tired of muslim immigrants basicly doing nothing but raising rabble and demanding special rights

Don't those Euro right wingers hate Americans more than their left wingers? They are not like US conservatives, in trying to fuse traditionalism and small government.

It's true, I'm not much of a fan of Europe's "right wingers"; they're more like our KKK types. They don't really have any limited government parties, unfortunately.

#56

I'm all for this. Seriously! Give 'em Quebec.

Then you would have to build a West Bank-like wall around Quebec to avoid trouble.

But seriously - if a civilised country ever end up (down?) becoming muslim, it will probably be either France or Canada.

You're right, "malik" is the actual word for king.

'"Emperor' to 'Empire'" would be a better analogy.

A Reader -

"The Canada Hotel" sounds like a great new meme! :)

These people should up sticks and go and live in Iran. That's an Islamic bed of roses, apparently.

Kroykah!

I call for the kun-ut-kal-i-fee. (More fun than the kilafah.)

</snark>

#110 Ben B

These people should up sticks and go and live in Iran. That's an Islamic bed of roses, apparently.

But there's no synagogues or jewish cemetaries to vandalize in Iran, silly. Persians need to come here to do that.

I have to wonder why they live in the crass, evil West when there are so many Muslim countries to choose from. Hey, all it takes is the cost of a plane ticket. This is unbelievable. I just hope that little demonstrations like this will awaken folks to just how nuts some of these "believers" are.

I'll happily submit to the Caliphate the day after never.

The Republican system is not an Islamic system and Islam does not approve of it whether it is Presidential in nature as in the US or it is Parliamentary, as found in Germany, because the Republican system in both these forms is based on the democratic system which gives the sovereignty to the people, whilst the system of Khilafah is based on the system of Islam that gives sovereignty to the Shara’.

And there you have it. Democracy and Islam are incompatible.

#111

Vulcanese. Late 20th Century.

Interesting...

/spock

#40 Gary Bruce

As soon as someone in political authority definitely names the enemy, the educational process can start. But not before.

You are exactly right. The most important thing is for the President to name the enemy. This is what's been missing since 9/11.

If that's bad for his re-election, so be it. (I don't think it would be bad anyway. The evidence to support him is so overwhelming.)

This isn't a war on "terror". That's absurd. It's like saying we're in a war on "meanness". This is an Islamic war on civilization. Islam is the enemy.

If Bush wants to be the Churchillian man of history that the times call for, he will do what's necessary, and then fight like hell to defend his decision.

I can't help but notice the large contingent of Canadians that seem to congregate here. In any event I think that the Toronto crowd should have a meetup to coordinate a response to this sort of doo doo. Islamists need not apply!
If you are in the GTA and are interested just place a reference to this message number in your message so we can collate the responses.
I'm not new here, I just changed my moniker for this post.

they are not going to be happy until we are all living dhimmi, and are stoned to death on a daily basis..s.

#118 pantat - Ha.

Psss- your lizardoid lisp is coming along beautifully.

#91 Joshua Scholar

Sorry (oops - there's the Canadian apologist kicking in), but I have disagree with the jealousy/moving thing. A significant part of the national psyche is tied up in wanting what the US has in terms of opportunity, influence on the world stage, and ability to move independantly. On the other hand, most do love their country and its cultural nuance. Some move to the US, but many others have no intension of moving, (though still jealous of elements of what they observe south of the border).

It's not pathological, but it's definitely there and a factor that colours how they perceive their relationship with Americans.

I doubt Canadians will be harder on Muslims that Americans would be; tolerance is a higher value than civility, especially in public arenas. Individually, there is significant resentment for what has happened in the country as a result of the tremendous influx of immigration. I'm not sure what it would take to turn that frustration to action. Additionally, immigrants tend to remain in their own communities more than they do in the US, so moving into the mainstream culture takes much longer.

We're in for quite a ride.

Seething Muslims living in the West, demanding Khalifarts and Shaaria.

Y A W N !

Revving up for doozy...

Canada is a sick, liberal thugocracy where few people know anything about history and where multicultists shove and force-feed "diversity" and "equity" down your throat.

Chretien shakes hands with Hizbollah terrorists, the governor general "Avion Clarkson" and her obnoxious "Excellency" husband John Raulston Purina spend $5 million dollars on a free trip to OTHER cold countries with her lefty friends and nobody here gives a shit.

Hundreds of millions of dollars wasted soley for the purpose of kissing up to corrupt francophone liberal cronies and their "ad agencies" in Quebec. The CBC reigns supreme-their own private pork barrel home grown Kremlin...

Blech, ptoooey...

#117...count me in!

#111 Brian O'C -

LOL! I was thinking the same thing!

Mr. Spock's overwhelming mating urge almost gets Cpt. Kirk killed
-Episode synopsis from a local TV guide

Dark Age savages galivanting in the midst of gleaming Modern skyscrapers.

Ayn Rand is doing 7800 rpms in her grave.

Her metaphor of Attila and the Witch Doctor has never worked better.

Attila is the unthinking advocate of brute force. The atrophy of his rational faculties fills him with chronic dread. Thus he allies with the Witch Doctor, or the mystic of the mind, who is chronically afraid of material reality. Each complements the other, and their unholy alliance is at the expense of the Producer, the rational man.

The LLL's of the world have always been the witch doctors, while the Stalins, Maos, Saddams, Hitlers, and Pol Pots have been the Attilas.

In Islamism, with its "spiritual leaders" that advocated armed jihad, you have both. Their perceived power to deal with material reality by brute force draws the LLL Witch Doctors like an aphrodisiac, and this explains their affinity despite the fact that Islam stands against everything they believe in substantively: women's and gay rights, free speech, freedom of religion, secularism, abortion, etc.

But notice you see very little medical research, invention, great literature, or technological innovation springing from Islamist culture.

I may have to go blow the dust off these books.

I know there are plenty of more depressing news stories in the world today, but I live in Toronto and I love the city, so I find this picture VERY DEPRESSING!!!

The call for the Kalifa (or Caliphate) is the call for a fundimentalist Islamist government, like the Taliban. This is the core goal of al Qaeda. They see Iran and Saudi Arabia as too modern and not Islamic enough!

By the way:

Canada will be having a Federal election sometime this year, and given the OBL put us on his hit list for supporting the US in Afghanistan, we have a good chance of some terrorist attack, maybe by some of the idiots in the picture. Thanks, Spain!

Also:
For #21 Nell, a person from Quebec can be called either a Quebecoise (pronounced "kebek-wah"), or a Quebecer (pronounced "kebekker").

HELP!

I need a link to the SOURCE that the picture for this story came from--the link that is imbedded in the lgf post merely takes you to a page that explains what the Kilafah is.

I need the supposedly "objective" source of the photo to provide to an "ostrich" I know in Canada who would prefer to pretend that such things aren't happening there!

There's a mosque on Dundas street in Toronto which has an outdoor sign representing the CN tower as a minaret and the Skydome as the dome of a mosque -a cute visual pun, but SCARY when you thing about it!! Imagine, the mullahs up in the tower keeping an eye on everything to make sure its kosher.

Also, the Dundas St. mosque it located in a former bank -you know, the kind of place that charges and pays interest -- an early victory for the caliphate.

#125 Flaming Sword

I have been checking Canadian news souces and haven't found a link yet, but I can assure you that picture was taken in Toronto, at Nathan Phillips Square (Toronto city hall). I recognize the buildings in the background, and I have skated on the ice rink just behind the Islamofascists.

#126

We got rid of Sauraman yesterday, now we're hearing about their vision for the Eye of Sauron - next door! Lovely. Anybody know a couple of hobbits we could contract for a few months?

Look at the font of the first "w" in the "We" ...

A Weezer fan?

"What's with these kuffars
bringing me down
why do they gotta front?"

Jack Layton and the rest of the NDP cabol are salvating at the mouth and rubbing thier hands anticipating the votes they can suck from this type of group further selling Canada down a shit hole.

Our scocialist minded politicians are trying to pave the same road that the sell outs in Europe have done to secure thier seats in government at the polling both.

Europe is not our ally people and niether is the money for oil scam corupted UN either.

I found them!

They were from the "anti-war" demonstration here in Toronto on Saturday.

Here they are!

#130

Layton should be a big fan of the capiphate on personal grounds also. -Rumour has it that he and wifey (fellow traveller, Olivia Chow) take on second wives from time to time by way of what are known in Lebanon as "temporary marriages".

I'm glad to see that some Canadiens are beginning to feel the heat a little. A friend of mine who just moved to NB idealizes Canada's lib/soc government as being so civilized (i.e., so unconcerned with "boring," "conservative" issues like defense)...

Candians accept immigrants more easily than any other country but they also demand less than the United States. There isn't much of a concept of what makes someone Canadian, and more accomidation in language etc.. It's a unique place in that way.

Yes, Canada is unique that way. But the reason for all the superlative Canadian tolerance cited on this blog, I think, is that the general culture there imagines it's secure. It's easy to be broad-minded and tolerant of Damned-Near-Everything when one perceives no threat.

Just wait until there's a real threat -- suddenly, most will become quite clear on "what makes someone Canadian."

Lulled by the same delusion--that the U.S. is nearly invincible (and therefore deserving of death, of course)--the Left in the U.S. pounds away at the general culture with their PC, "Celebrate Diversity" diatribes, all the while forgetting (as do the Caliphate-demanding Muslims) that they are wishing away the very culture that happily permits them to be jackasses. It's childish.

I'm no extremist. I'm for tolerance, patience, etc. But will we tolerate ourselves to death?

This is in reference to message #117.

So far I have one volunteer for a GTA (aka) Toronto "meetup"
in post #122.

Needless to say I'm not talking about tomorrow. It just seems like we should take advantage of all this discontentment and actually do something constructive to let the dark forces of evil know that we actually give a sh*t.

Thanks, WriterMom! Good job finding the pictures.

I checked out the whole set. I particularily liked the people holding up flags of the old Iraq, the one on which Saddam wrote "Allah Akbar" in his own hand. It's good to know where these people stand!

#134

Why don't you use your regular nic? Maybe people would be more inclined to respond. There are lots of like minded Canadians:

deathberg
Shelagh...shiksagirrrl
Mississauga Matt
scaramouche

Proud Albertan

I'm also concerned about Canada. It is a gentle and tolerant society that goes out of its way to be accommodating to all. Such a society is ripe for exploitation by Islam.

The numbers that one sees in the photograph are irrelevant. What is being put down here is a marker; the acceptance of such ideas, such as the kilafah in the market place of ideas in North America. The next time this happens in greater numbers, it wont be remarked on as something extraordinary. And so it will continue, until like every other region, North America will also have its bloody boundaries with Islam.

As for the US coming to the rescue of Canada- well the US will have its own internal crisis with Islam. The US is being subverted from within, in more ways then one.

How to destroy America

[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]

And from the above

Victor Davis Hansen talked about his latest book, Mexifornia, explaining how immigration, both legal and illegal, was destroying the entire State of California. He said it would march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of the American Dream.

And the Islamists will be ready to reap the benefits when the time comes, for they are a united bunch, while the rest are fractious, to say the least

Add me to your list, WriterMom, eh!

One hopes that other like minded Canadians will be able to make a difference in the next election, now that the Liberals finally have a real opposition party to worry about.

#64 Rayra

Worse, they've let their Lib-Soc govt disarm them, beforehand

I bet bad guys can get weapons, no problem.

Enoch Powell (British MP):

"Powell was not afraid of sacrificing his political career for the sake of expressing an outspoken viewpoint. This trait was never more apparent than when he made a speech in Birmingham in April 1968, in which he warned his audience of the apocalyptic consequences of continued immigration of people from the Commonwealth to Britain. Because of its reference to Virgil's prediction of war, during which the Tiber would foam with blood, Powell's warning became known as the 'Rivers of Blood' speech. Edward Heath, then Leader of the Opposition, sacked Powell from his Shadow Cabinet, interpreting his speech as "racialist". Powell would never hold a senior political position again."

He didn't even consider North Africa or the Middle-east.

Re: #136

I'd like to do that but my most significant contributions to this effort lend themselves to a certain level of enhanced personal safety.

I really don't have a desire to be malled by rabid islamists. They are not stupid and for the most part can read english also.

In any event I'm generally tired of this sh*t and would like to see people do something other than type. There is a serious disconnect between joe public and the evil that is bearing down upon us like some enormous glacial advance.

Canada is slowly being mortgaged off and it is a pathetic site. I won't go on about it because that would be pointless and take far too much time.

In any event I don't see why we should be confined to the virtual world while problems beckon in the real world.

I'll check back later.

I agree that in the short term we are in for a lot of trouble from Islam in the western world.

However, THE TRUTH is space travel and this will prove to be so obvious that we (the intelligent and forward thinking ones) should be able to escape. We will, of course, abandon those who fail to progress. If they want to have armageddon or whatever else, well, OK. I just won't be around to join in as I will be reading the current Scientific American magazine sitting in a comfortable chair on Mars or the moon.

My apologies in advance, because our society requires me to apologize to the incompetent any time I refuse to let them lead me. Now I will continue quietly making my plans...

#138 Kenneth

Consider yourself added...not that there is a real list, but you're in anyway!

Re: #143

Let's just call it a virtual list at this point.

It's too fucking cold here for people to protest (I live in Toronto). We're too busy trying to keep warm, and the line ups for coffee at Tim's are too long.

We were on the ground in europe in both big wars before any body else in our quarter of the world. We aren't about to allow these fuckheads to get out of line.

Besides - if they get their own caliphate, then the sikhs will want their own khalistan, and the rednecks like me will want our own sixpackistan. there simply isn't enough hospitable land for all that.

Can't be too hard on them though. They make a tasty pizza pie.

If it weren't for these guys, there wouldn't be a single Pizza Pizza in Toronto open at 2AM to serve me a slice on my way home from the clubs.

Yep.. those Islamists make a tasty pizza pie.

Man charged in anti-Semitic incident

Reza Safaei, a 46-year-old from Toronto, has been charged with three counts of mischief under $5,000.

"But Arabs are Semites too..."

#113 Susan who says:

"I have to wonder why they live in the crass, evil West when there are so many Muslim countries to choose from"

Its all about the welfare system. Everyday living in a western country is far superior in every respect to any Muslim country. Here in Sydney, we have whole streets of Muslims - every family on welfare. They appear to have very little to contribute to a civilised society, and deepdown, they know it, but they are very aware of their 'entitlements'.

Much of their bluster is simple humiliation. They know damn well that their rigid repressed way of life and their psychotic 'religion' are regarded with wonder and hostility in much of the world, and that they are generally disliked, if not hated..

And most important of all - if they left the west to go back to some Islamic cesspit, there would be no more females to ogle and harrass. And they do love a blonde ---

142 Rob

However, THE TRUTH is space travel and this will prove to be so obvious that we (the intelligent and forward thinking ones) should be able to escape

Oh no Rob. I dont like the idea of space travel becoming a reality before we have sorted this problem of Islam. We just cannot afford to let this thing get to the stars.

i am 57 yrs. and i hope i m not alive when this comes to pass, and it will,as an irish canadian living out side toronto i know how p/c most canadians are,and it makes me sick,these middle easterners are uncivilized
the do not think like the rest of the world .my greatest wish is that all of them take their sorry asses back to the middle east where they can live how they want. what makes them think that anybody other than a muslem wants to live in a muslem state. afghastan must have alovely place to reside. i feel 'w' is doing the right thing,problem is as isee it, these people will never be able to live in peace or democracy.tribes, warlords...give me a break. my solution "nuke the lot of them".

#149 DP

You wont have to worry. Their economies will not be able to sustain the activity necessary for such endevors.

Others have also thought that this crib has to be left at some point - leaving those who refuse to grow up

The NDP will probably support the idea of a Caliphate in Canada. They made Monia Mazigh, wife of Al Qaeda terrorist Maher Arar, their latest political candidate.

@149 DP
Unfortunately, I think the Islamic problem is very long term and will not be sorted out soon. Only the total lack of progressiveness in the Islamic religion will allow it to be scraped off by a more progressive society.
I do agree that it would be nice to sort it out but I see little hope. The world has been trying to do just that since the 7th century.

Luckily, as Musharraf pointed out, Islam is providing its own solution to itself as Islamic countries are poor and non-progressive. They seem to be unique in their total lack of ability to adapt and change in a changing world. This is the Achilles heel of Islam. What it does very well is stand in one place and bash you in the head if you are willing to square off in this fashion.

anyone here ever read what life was like for non-muslims under the khilafah?

151 Cheezand crackers

You wont have to worry. Their economies will not be able to sustain the activity necessary for such endevors.

No worries about that. The Muslims will come along in containers in cargo space ships or or hidden in bays within the spaceship, in much the same way as they make their way into Britain.

Anyway. No need to take all this too seriously. I was only making a jesting point that we cant let this virus of Islam escape to the stars.
Just think, if we ever meet civilised intelligent aliens, how on earth are going to explain Islam to them. If they have any sense, they will break off all connections with humans.

Yvette,

These Middle Easterns hunh?

You know, Jesus Son Of Mary, was a Middle Easterner.

So Christianity is Middle Eastern eh?

Maybe we all should abandon our Middle Eastern Faith

And embrace a true western religion like oh I dunno...

Can you think of one?

Irish.