Unfortunately, Allah's American soldiers are not quite as forthright as their British cousins.

hmmm no mythical moderate muslim here either...

"Killing an handicapped man in a wheelchair doesn’t make Israelis any safer than before"

Between this and Saddam (as in, "the overthrow of Saddam doesn't make anyone safer"), I get the feeling some of these loonies don't know the definition of the word "safer."

What an ignoramous. Yassin was actively planning attacks on innocent Israelis in addition to giving fiery speeches calculated to incite impressionable Palestinian youths against Israel. This was no nice elderly man. He was a terrorist and a combatant against the State of Israel. He's the Osama bin Laden of Hamas.

To draw comparisons between the death of an innocent Israeli and that of a terrorist whose hands are soaked in blood is just moronic. But hey, it's nice to know that groups such as the Arab American Federation and the AADC exist for the sole purpose of supporting the murder of innocent Israelis instead of actually getting something done for those whom they claim to represent. Same old story, I guess.

Brooklyn?

There goes the neighborhood.

Maybe half the world has forgotten that Hamas are a listed terror organisation... but they're sympathising with them!

Would they be sympathising with Al Qaeda too???

Photograph each and every one of them... ummm, for posterity and to, uh, commemorate the event.

"Killing an handicapped man in a wheelchair doesn't make Israelis any safer than before," Ramawi said.

That sounds like the socialists/ LLL talking.

Safety:
They are so concerned about being safe. They try to make all vices illegal, to be safe. They require all sorts of "safety" devices in cars. They require trigger locks. They require helmets when riding yer Harley. They circumvent the constitution on search and seizure to jerk kids out of homes in the name of safety.

GET A CLUE. LIFE IS NOT SAFE AND TO GET AHEAD AND/OR TASTE THE FLAVOR OF LIFE, YOU HAVE TO TAKE RISKS.

Criminal Action
"Why didn't they arrest him?" Sooo, "Kerry". The socialists / LLL's think you should not take any action to protect yourself. Just be a victim and call the police. I guess they didn't arrest him for the same reason Hamas didn't just arrest the innocent victims they blew up in the busses.

Maybe half the world has forgotten that Hamas are a listed terror organisation... but they're sympathising with them!

"Half the world"?

Another reason to ban Arab/Muslim immigration to this country! The fact these terrorist enablers feel no shame in protesting the justified killing of a vile terrorist is what scares me the most about the future of this country. Where were they when the groups hamass and islamic jihad bombed buses full of Israeli children? I hope there is a counterprotest to show them that we are sick of their bull***.

The Arabs of Brooklyn have been at the forefront of terrorism in America:

[Link: www.meforum.org...]
(Arab from Brooklyn murders Jewish student in van on Brooklyn Bridge)

[Link: www.brooklynonline.com...]
(Arabs in Brooklyn arrested before they could bomb local subway station)

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]
(the same Brooklyn Mosque that was a gathering place for the plotters of the 1993 WTC attack also helped finance Bin Laden)

[Link: 209.157.64.200...]
(A prominent Yemeni cleric is suspected of raising money for terrorists at a Muslim charity and several mosques in Brooklyn, it was disclosed yesterday.)

This is all in addition to dozens of attacks on synagogues and individual Jews walking on the street.

When an Israeli gets killed, it seems like the end of the world.

Next time it might not just seem like the end of the world...

“When an Israeli gets killed, it seems like the end of the world. When one hundred Palestinians get killed, nobody cares, including [President George W.] Bush and his gang in the White House.”

Asshelmet alert! What media is this guy looking at? I rarely hear a lot in the major media about Hamas' bus bombings compared to what I heard all day long about this shitwipe being spiked. One single Israeli child's life is worth 10 times to me what this fucker was worth. He was a terrorist, pure and simple, and his passing doesn't even seem significant to me other than to be a small relief (small because there's still so many to kill, like Rantisi, Arafat, bin Laden and 10,000 other moonbats).

After the meeting they should all head over to JFK airport and board one way flights back to the countries where their loyalties lie. No sense going through life unhappy in your choices and leaving beats being interned for the duration for screwing up even more. It's obvious these idiots don't have a clue as to how popular terrorists and their sympathizers are in this country, and New York in particular.

Here is some testimony to a Senate committee about some organizations in the US and their relationship to terrorist organizations abroad

[Link: judiciary.senate.gov...]

The peace process has bounced back before from incredible setbacks

What on earth does that mean? The "peace process" continues to disappear into the boonies.

Interesting that the Pali sympathisers always say that the terrorists are minority radical splinter group, yet when the head honcho gets what he deserves, suddenly he is a Palestinian leader and the "whole world" is outraged.

Moan, moan, moan...

All things considered, it was a fairly merciful end for the animal. Instant death, without even the stress of seeing it coming, and they waited until after he had one last chance to say his prayers. Talk about ingratitude... I say we just bulldoze the rest of 'em and save the high-tech hardware for attacks on the Iranian U-235 processing facilities.

“We want the people to know how we feel and what we believe,”

ok, you've said your "peace"

now move along and change your own mind or ... or ...stew and suffer from the consequences of those perverted mental distortions you entertain and expand IN YOUR OWN MIND.

Its your own world you destroy.

It does not help when CNN describes Yassin as a crippled cleric.

( l ) Kiss this...and stay up north! whining bunch of maggots

“Wah” said Zein Ramawi

That about sums it up.

“Killing an handicapped man in a wheelchair doesn’t make Israelis any safer than before,” Ramawi said...

Right, but executing Leon Klingenhoffer and pushing him over the edge of a cruise ship was a-okay, eh?

Truth about Islam

#9 NC

I don't consider the Arab/Muslim countires, who want to destroy America and Israel, and a few Europe weenie countries to represent the whole world. I was flipping through some television channels and saw yassin referred to "godfather of terrorism" in spanish and "a terrorist" in tagalog. And in a Korean news telecast the word terror was above a picture of yassin. I was pleasantly surprised that the foreign language news were more truthful in their assessment of the hamass leader than the english news channels.

posted this earlier but worth posting againThe Logic of Israel's Targeted Killing

Also read,

The Myth: Israel's targeted killings of terrorists are immoral and counterproductive
The Facts

“We condemn that,” said Zein Ramawi, a member of the Brooklyn-based Arab American Federation, a nonprofit umbrella organization and one of the groups that planned the gathering.“Killing an handicapped man in a wheelchair doesn’t make Israelis any safer than before,” Ramawi said. “Why didn’t they arrest him? Why didn’t they keep him in jail instead of sending an apache. They killed nine other people and injured two of his sons.”

We can hear that kind of stuff from idiotarians of any ethnicity, including Jewish.

EE That is some awesome testimony

from HonestReporting:

Since early media reports misrepresented the
IDF strike in a number of fundamental ways, HonestReporting encourages
subscribers to be on the lookout for these four myths, and to respond
appropriately with the facts:

Myth 1: The Yassin strike will escalate the violence

Nearly all news reports claimed within the first two sentences that the
IDF strike is "likely to escalate violence," and constitutes "an enormous
gamble by Sharon" that "risks triggering a dramatic escalation in
bloodshed." (Associated Press)

This claim ― which belongs on the editorial page, not in the same
breath as the actual news report of the event ― was so widespread
that one almost forgets that it represents only the Palestinian position:
The official PA statement characterized the Israeli strike as inviting
"more violence and further escalation."

The absent Israeli position: Though terrorist efforts may increase
temporarily, in the long run the elimination of Yassin will upset Hamas'
leadership and violent capabilities, and serve as an essential deterrent
to ongoing Palestinian terror. As Israeli spokesman Avi Pazner said:

His elimination will serve peace in the long run. He is personally
responsible for all the most dreadful attacks in Israel. He was a
dangerous extremist Islamic ideologist. He was danger to the entire
region. By eliminating this threat to peace we will improve chances for a
better Middle East.

Responsible news reports should either convey both positions, or neither.

Myth 2: Yassin was an impotent old man

BBC profiled Yassin as "a frail man who could barely see. His voice was
thin and quavering." The Evening Standard prominently quoted the UK
Foreign Secretary, who said "he did not believe that Israel would benefit
from the killing of an old man in a wheelchair."

Actually, Yassin was in a wheelchair since age 12, when a sporting
accident left him paralyzed. It's self-evident, therefore, that being
wheelchair-bound never hampered Yassin's ability to orchestrate
unprecedented terror ― he founded Hamas in 1987 and proved perfectly
capable of building the organization to its current strength from a
sitting position.

Moreover, Yassin has had enough wherewithal in the recent years to direct
dozens of heinous terrorist attacks, leaving Yassin's hands drenched in
Israeli blood.

HonestReporting encourages readers to check that articles present this
essential information on Yassin's terror record. AP completely omitted any
reference to Yassin's connection to terrorism until the final sentence of
their report, and then only referred to Israel "blaming" Yassin for
"inspiring" Hamas bombers.

Myth 3: Yassin was a 'spiritual leader' who deserved immunity

AFP, like most agencies, described Yassin as "the Islamist movement's
spiritual guide," which suggests to a western audience that Yassin
operated in a peaceful, contemplative realm aside from the violence, and
was therefore unfairly targeted by the IDF. BBC went so far to say Yassin
was "a powerful inspiration for young Palestinians disillusioned with the
collapse of peace hopes." CNN calls Yassin a spiritual leader (unquoted),
but then puts scare quotes around Israel's reference to him as a
"terrorist."

Actually, Yassin's brand of 'spirituality' is the very ideological and
emotional fuel that drives Palestinian (and worldwide Islamic) terrorism,
the plague of our age. Yassin continually called for suicide terrorism as
a religious obligation, and even said about himself that "the day in which
I will die as a shahid [martyr] will be the happiest day of my life."
(Al-Quds, July 26, 1998)

As Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Sofer said:

[Yassin] was not a spiritual leader. This term does injustice to the term
'spiritual leader' and an insult to real spiritual leaders. He was a
terrorist mastermind.

Myth 4: Israel's strike creates a western threat of Islamic terror

Photo of American flag burning at Hamas rally, 2001

After Hamas released a statement that threatened radical Islamic
retaliation beyond Israel's borders, AP called this an 'unprecedented'
threat, triggered by Israel:

For the first time, Hamas also threatened the United States, saying
America's backing of Israel made the assassination possible...In the past,
Hamas leaders have insisted their struggle is against Israel and that they
would not get involved in causes by militant Muslims in other parts of the
world. Today's statement suggested that Hamas might seek outside help in
carrying out revenge attacks, since its capabilities have been limited by
Israeli military strikes.

This is simply untrue ― Yassin himself had long called upon world Islamic terrorists to join with Hamas in global jihad. MEMRI reported in March, 2003 that on the Hamas website, "Sheikh Ahmad Yassin called on the
Islamic nation 'to strike at Western interests verywhere if Iraq is conquered.'" And just two weeks ago, Hamas announced its commitment to "the global level of the Islamic world" as the reason for its choosing British suicide bombers to murder Israelis at Tel Aviv's Mike's Place in 2003.

#1 Allah 3/22/2004 08:44PM PST

Unfortunately, Allah's American soldiers are not quite as forthright as their British cousins.

we need to do the same fuckit you wanna come here you will behave in a civilized manner but then again can you expect anything else from a religion born out of a conspiracy theory [those that have read the hadiths and the koran know what i'm talking about] those that havent go check out prophetofdoom.com all the books are there free to read online

"Why didn’t they arrest him? Why didn’t they keep him in jail instead of sending an apache. They killed nine other people and injured two of his sons."

What a surprisingly reasonable (sounding) arguement. Of course the leader of the most bloodthirsty terrorist group in the world would let himself be arrested without incident. There would be no gunmen coming to his aid with all of the firepower that Hamas bought with money from all of the Arab states and the "Mulim charities" the world over.

Still, even the calculated misdirection of that arguementis an improvement over what nonAmerican Muslims are saying in response. You know "kill them all, leave no Jewish household untouched ..."

Here is a report that the good people of Japan have condemned the killing of the terrorist leader Yassin as a "reckless act."

[Link: quote.bloomberg.com...]

. . . and here is a report of Japan sentencing to death the blind, infirm spiritual leaders of the group that put sarin in the Tokyo subway.

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

The hypocracy is quite inscrutable.

“Killing an handicapped man in a wheelchair doesn’t make Israelis any safer than before,” Ramawi said.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I find this sudden concern on the part of Muslims for victims in wheelchairs somewhat hollow.

The NYT says much the same:

Sheik Yassin was elderly, crippled and a religious man, attributes that evoke respect across the Arab and Muslim world.

and here:

Sheik Mohamed Tantawi, the grand sheik of Al Azhar and hence Egypt's highest cleric, whose pronouncements carry the weight of religious law, issued a statement that basically endorsed revenge.

Wave of Anger Rolls Across Arab World

Sorry. I missed all this muslim concern for wheelchair bound victims in 1985 when wheelchair bound Leon Klinghoffer was thrown overboard from the Achille Lauro.

from the Israeli Foreign Ministry:

Behind the Headlines: The Israeli operation against the leader of the Hamas terrorist organization

List of Hamas terrorist attacks

Also, today's Daily Alert has alot on the subject, check it out.

No, that sounded wrong.

You know why the quotes sounded almost reasonable?

American Muslims sound a bit more reasonable than Jack Straw, Jaques Chiraq, Girhardt Schroder, etc. etc., etc.

God bless Israel and thier airforce. Great aim boys, maybe y'all can take out Osama next.

Have arabs who claim to be American EVER even muttered a condemnation of Hamas when it, with the blessing of the ugly dead gnome, has blown preganant women and babies to pieces in Israel?

If not, they have the moral authority of their hero, one A h*tler.

Arab Americans is an oxymoron. Unlike the Jews, their sympathy is with the 9/11 genocide killers.

OT - Polish Cops Detain Four on Terror Suspicion

I usually get very upset when I read the ranting and raving from the Muslim world, their screeching about the Jews, their lies and bullshit. Somehow none of it is affecting me today. I am so satisfied that Yassin is dead, it's given me a new sense of faith that even with all that is wrong with the world, something was made right. Yassin needed to die long ago, he has been the cause of hundreds of deaths. This hit was absolutely 100% justified, there is no doubt in my mind. I am nervous, of course, because the Palestinians are vicious and they are raging over this -- there's no telling what they're planning for the Jews. But I keep reminding myself that they are constantly trying to kill Jews anyway, this is just more of the same. I hope that Israel keeps going, that they're hunting Rantissi, that they shut their ears to all the negativity swirling around them, and that they stop making excuses for their right to protect their citizens.

Who is CAIR endorsing for pres?

probably j f'n cairy

heh heh tex

I've read reports that T. heinz contributes to groups that fund such extremist.

Why do I find it amusing when the death cultists of Islam whine about the "martyring" of one of their own? Shouldn't they be happy he's getting his virgins? I guess when even they realize they're full of shit and thats what there so angry about.

Leon Klinghoffer truly rests in peace. Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, wheel for wheel

What the hell is wrong with the people in Brazil?

Brazilian man hurls Molotov cocktail at U.S. Consulate in Rio de Janeiro; no injuries reported

/as said by Sam Kinneson
The virgins ain't gonna do him any good...HIS ARMS AND LEGS DON'T WORK OOOHHH

#41 rebTEX
What amazes me is that exposing these links don't do any good.

#44 zulubaby
What the hell is wrong with the people in Brazil?

The guy couldn't get laid that day and blamed it on BUSH!

Well' a like minded individual!
And if that's not enough,you should check out a report from the Times of India called "Gee,look whose outsaucing". Get it through [Link: www.newsisfree.com...]
A real eyeopener on j f'n k 's personal side

Guardian obituary on Yassin

This is unbelievable!! He likens Yassin to Nelson Mandela, and yet condemns him at the same time, sort of. I don't know, it's weird.

Éomer:
Orcs are roaming freely across our lands. Unchecked, unchallenged, killing at will. Orcs bearing the white hand of Saruman.

Grima:
Why do you lay these troubles on an already troubled mind? Can you not see? Your uncle is weary of your malcontent, your warmongering.

Éomer:
Warmongering? How long has it been since Saruman bought you? What was the promised price, Grima? When all the men are dead you would take a share of the treasure?

So color me stupid. What is LLL?

La Leche League?
Learning Languages in Logic?
Loser Liberal Luddites?
Linguistically Laborous Leeches?
Laughingstock of Licentious Lameos? (sorry about the "of")
Little Lulu Liars?

I made up the first two but honestly the remainder all came up on google.

Tex, that link didn't work, but I found it here.

Kerry stinks

To me it means:
liberal leftist loonies
but, hey, that's just me!
I kinda like the La Leche League also, but for more personal reasons.

H J Heinz & Co, the family business of Kerry and his wife Teresa, has spread its ketchup operations across the world. Of the 79 factories that the food processor owns, 57 are overseas. Heinz makes ketchup, pizza crust, baby cereal and other edibles in such countries as Poland , Venezuela , Botswana , Thailand , and most of all, China and India .

Very interesting ...

Postal Worker
Yes what a chum bucket he is!
I've tried to back up the article in American media...no luck

does anyone here have basically the same perspective on everything that's happening lately as the guy at belmont club? that being, if i understand him correctly, that a major war between islam and everyone else is coming very soon? like an all-out war?

do you guys think islamism can be defeated the way we're fighting it now, here and there, not using our full capabilities, or do you think it's going to come down to expelling massive numbers of muslims from western countries, or do you think it will come to an all out 100% destructive war against all muslim countries, as the belmont guy predicts it will if islamists start blowing up american cities?

also, does anyone have any links to articles or essays that about where this conflict is headed, with more of a long view, say 10, 20, 30 years down the road?

Wonderful. Right in my freakin' neighborhood. I should pass by an offer my condolences (May he rest in pieces ... I mean peace). Sheesh.

Curious distrotion of the truth in the Guardian article:

But it was the self-sacrificing zeal of Yassin's followers that achieved this for him. It was only after the massacre of 30 worshipppers in a Hebron mosque, by a suicidal Israeli settler in February 1994, that the Hamas suicide bombers really got going.

fact check:

[Link: www.all-encompassingly.com...]

Of course, Israel is the most well-known location of suicide bombings, though until quite recently, more suicide bombings actually occurred in Sri Lanka. Bombings in Israel began occurring in the early 1990s. The first documented suicide bombing in Israel, according to Time magazine, took place on April 16, 1993, when 22-year-old Sahar Tamam Nabulsi loaded a Mitsubishi van with cooking-gas canisters, placed a Koran on the passenger seat, and careened into two buses, killing himself, another Palestinian, and injuring 8 Israelis (Jews).

---
[Link: www.terrorismanswers.com...]

When did Hamas start carrying out suicide bombings?
The first such bombing took place in April 1993, a few months before the Oslo accords—the main Israeli-Palestinian peace pact—were sealed with the famous September 1993 handshake between Arafat and the then Israeli prime minister, Yitzhak Rabin, on the White House lawn. Hamas and Islamic Jihad have never abandoned terrorism as a tactic.

#56 dan
I'm just a back woods EAST TEXAS hick,so I also offer this grain of salt!
We're going about it all wrong. We need to use the "see it, kill it" method to end this conflict. Political correctness has no place in war.
We can't continue to fight on their terms.
My U S of A is beleagered by the constant threat of another attack. You can see the stress even on the faces of people on the street. We aren't used to the slow grind.
We need to team up and squelch these animals in THEIR land and get back to being the Home of the Free and Brave!

#56 dan

Keep an eye on the plains of Meggido.

That's just one view of many here. I think that Islamism can only be stopped by force. That is it's only language common to the West.

If Muslims start exploding in American cities, there isnt enough law enforcement to stop the mobs of rednecks and others from going on a rampage.

Any articles claiming vision of this problem 10 to 40 years out would be pure conjecture.

One thing we've done wrong is interfere with Israel's ability to defend herself and it is biting us in the ass right now.

I'm waiting to see the headlines tomorrow:

French Army Surrenders to Hamas.

You're right about the REDNECK thing!
Every one here carries firearms and an industrial sized can of whoop ass behind the seat of their pick-ups.
Oh,yea...don't judge me by the color of my neck!

I'm all for being to nice to old men in wheelchairs. Most old men in wheelchairs don't encourage & plot the deaths of babes in strollers. This guy did.

Tex, I didn't mean it in a bad sorta way. I rode my first horse when 5 years old. I play in a country band and was raised in the hills of the Bitteroots of Idaho in a logging family. I think tree huggers and hippies smell. I drive a Jeep SUV, but balance that with commuting in my GEO.

Good enough of a pedigree?

#63 baldy
Look at it this way, I'd rip the lungs from a 1 eyed,1 legged mongoloid on the steps of the sisteen chapel if the fart stain was fuc*ing with my family!
Most anyone would.
I hold the Isrealites to that same standard.

On the subject of Arabs in Brooklyn, local law enforcement is trying to prepare for their next attack on the innocent.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

"Uniformed officers were posted outside synagogues and patrols were increased in predominantly Jewish neighborhoods, including Williamsburg, Midwood and Borough Park in Brooklyn, and the diamond district in Midtown, he said."

Postal Worker
No insult taken!
If it walks and swims like a duck, it's a duck!
I also play music and we have a small horse ranch.
My wife's car is an SUV.
We live 2 miles from the nearest paved road.
Our nearest neighbor is more than a mile!
Like I've said before,it's Gods country!

I'll be the guy with the sign saying: "I LOVE GAZA EVEN MORE WITHOUT THE WHEELCHAIR TERRORIST!"

In other news, Grand Mufti Ibn al el B'inza has come out of hiding to protest Yassin's murder. Be very afraid.

#68 ckb

LOL!

In other news, Grand Mufti Ibn al el B'inza has come out of hiding to protest Yassin's murder. Be very afraid.

Alright, more target practice for the IAF!

Truth about Islam

#54: (OT)
So that's what Heinz 57 stands for!

#64 and #65:

My daughter called me one day and asked me "Mama, how do you drive a car? My mother-in-law wants to give me one, and I have to go get it. I'm a little nervous, because I haven't ever driven a car before..." (And she hadn't, none of us had a car, just large SUVs and 4-door pickup trucks.) The kids learned to drive with tractors and bulldozers.

#70 poppet

Apparently so!

#71 SwampWoman

I learned in a hay truck.

#65 rebTEX - I agree. That's why I am glad this guy is dead...

Brooklyn ...

Does anyone go to Atlantic Avenue anymore for a meal ?

74 Bigsmoke

Yes. the Waterfront Ale House - great beers, good snacks.

I demand my ancestral right of return to Brooklyn. I hereby announce the formation of the Ebbets Field Martyr's Brigade, designed to free my homeland from the grips of these bloodthirsty terror supporters. Let them return to Gaza and the West Bank, or whatever other Arab stinkhole they came from.
And, just as Osama is still pissed off about the tragedy of Andalusia, I hereby admonish that there shall be no peace until the Dodgers have returned to their proper true home, as it has been written that this shall in turn lead to the resurrection of Leo Durocher who shall lead them to the Promised Land (i.e., the World Series).

76 Darwin

Actually, you're not too far off. At one time Brownsville and East New York were almost entirely Jewish. Today not one Jew lives in these neighborhoods. This site has interesting pictures of old Brooklyn, including many of synagogues which have been lost.

[Link: www.disassociate.com...]

nightline on ABC opened with "cycle of violence" Not a surprise.

OT El Salvador race coming down to two Palestinians

"It's unusual that there is one Palestinian candidate for president," said John Nasser, an activist in the Arab-Salvadoran community. "It's much, much more unusual that there are two."

This sounds promising, is it too late to get El Salvador into the road map?

AP: Mosques in Athens Under Microscope

Shouldn't they monitor Synagogues too?

You know, just to be Europeanly 'even handed'?

Looks like old europe is about to fall under the spell of Communism Light. It's sweeping Europe. Appeasment and antisemitism is in vogue again.

France about to fold.

First, Spain and now France. taly, Germany, and Belgium are likely next to fall under the spell of the far left. The public of France seems to be afraid of the War on Terror and feel they may be next. We all know how that's going to work out. Another well timed Attack will seal the deal. Freedom and bravery yields to self sacrifice and submission. The Agressor will dominate Europe very quickly again.

Two towers. Two worlds.
One world believed in truth and the triumph of man. The towers deemed worthy of man and freedom, they errected them.

The other world, lived in fear and fantasy, condeming men to be worthless and arrogent, they wrecked them. Which world do you live in?

OT: Bomb Explodes Outside Ministers' Meeting Place in Thailand (AP, The Star - Malaysia)

...while a policeman was fatally shot...At least one person was injured in the explosion. The policeman's death raised to at least 54 the number of people killed in... the only Muslim majority region in this predominantly Buddhist country

I don't have time to search case law, but I know that naturalized American citizens can be stripped of citizenship and deported, if the naturalization process was the product of fraudulent misrepresentation. Citizenship requires that a "solemn declaration" be made. That type of legal statement must be given in good faith. If you think your muslim neighbor lied about his intention to obey American laws, then accuse the [bigoted word] of immigration fraud.

Check out this immigration fraud case:
[Link: supct.law.cornell.edu...]

The gathering will take place at 7 p.m. at Widdi Hall, at the corner of 56th Street and Sixth Ave. in Sunset Park.

Civil rights and interfaith groups are expected to participate, Ramawi said.

There's those darn "Interfaithist Groups" again.

Funny how they keep turning up---

The Boat that Won't Float, Part #127:

[Link: www.usatoday.com...]

Democracy and Republicanism is the Ideology and "capitalism" is it's vehicle---

Communism and Facism is the Ideology and Socialism is it's vehicle---

World expects Israelis to play by different rules

So, targeted killings of a terrorist leader is bad? That ought to be a real relief for bin Laden to hear. What would Blair suggest instead, the indiscriminate bombing of people eating in a pizzeria or heading home from school on the bus -- the favourite strategy of Hamas?

What people don't seem to care to understand about this war Israel is forced to fight daily from the first day of its inception, is that those whom Israel is supposed to negotiate with for peace don't want peace at all.

Asian Times says: muslims love death:

[Link: www.atimes.com...]

What is scary is that we keep letting these people immigrate into this country...

They add nothing, will not assimilate and pose a dangerous threat to all people here.

From what I understand, they have rented out a catering hall in Brooklyn to hold a memorial service for the terrorist thug Yassin...

Quote from news story Here Hamas states that Israel had "opened the gates of hell".

The terrorist leader was handicapped, of course they opened the door for him.

OT:
These 2 tragic reports should raise disgust in the Free World, but they will go right through the sheepish majority:
[Link: english.aljazeera.net...]

[Link: pub6.ezboard.com...]

2024 to 2004: what the fuck were you thinking?

fiery celt #85:

Musliswine love "interfaith":

[Link: www.alminbar.com...]

Kick them the fuck out of here.

My attitude to the Israelis and Palestinians is "A plague on both your houses".

However I can understand why Israel did it. When he is described as a "Spiritual Leader", a Westerner will think of some sort of Armed Forces Chaplain, handing out prayers and cigarettes to the boys in the trenches. The reality is that he is the religious "expert" who twists the words of the Quraan into a justification for suicide bombing. The bombers wouldn't go out and kill unless they had that official religious sanction. That makes him a legitimate target.

The Religious Policeman

OT - as a counterweight to Jack Straw, the London Times is taking a more balanced attitude. You have to register so I've cut and pasted an extract from Michael Gove's column, and the leading article:

Michael Gove:

SIXTY-TWO years ago the British Government pulled off one of its most daring wartime coups in the heart of Nazi-occupied Europe. A team of four agents, backed by the Czech Government in exile and trained by MI6, succeeded in assassinating Reinhard Heydrich, the Nazi governor of Bohemia and Moravia whose brutal rule had earned him the title, “the Butcher of Prague”. In January 1942 he had presided at the Wannsee Conference which initiated the Holocaust. But on May 27, 1942 he was ambushed by Czech fighters as he drove out of Prague. The Nazi state accorded Heydrich a magnificent funeral and Hitler mourned a soulmate whom he considered “irreplaceable”. The Germans then inflicted a terrible revenge, making an example of the Czech village of Lidice, killing every male over the age of 16.
Targeted killings are, as you can see, morally fraught. The assassination of Heydrich deprived the Nazi killing machine of one of its spiritual leaders. But that strategic gain was secured at the price of a backlash, in which innocent lives were lost.

The assassination of Sheikh Ahmed Yassin raises its own moral questions. Like Heydrich, the Sheikh was the intellectual organiser of a mass murder campaign directed against Jewish civilians. The organisation he set up in 1988, Hamas, has been responsible for hundreds of civilian deaths, including the killing of at least 20 young people outside the Dolphinarium disco in Tel Aviv in June 2001, the murder of 15 people at the Sbarro pizza restaurant in Jerusalem in August 2001 and the bombing of a commuter bus in Jerusalem in June 2003 which claimed another 15 lives.

These killings have been in pursuit of an ideological agenda as uncompromisingly anti-Semitic and as spiritually dedicated to violence as National Socialism itself. Hamas believes that Israel has no right to exist, Palestine must be purged of the Zionists from the River Jordan to the Mediterranean Sea and a fundamentalist Islamic state erected on its territory. The Hamas covenant proclaims: “there is no solution for the Palestinian question except through jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavours.” The covenant also makes clear who are to be targeted, the Jews, who are held responsible, inter alia, for both world wars, control of the world media and the creation of “Zionist organisations under various names and shapes, such as Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, espionage groups, and others”.

Yesterday, the BBC correspondent, Zubeida Malik, described Sheikh Yassin on The World At One as “polite, charming and witty, a deeply religious man”. On the same programme the Arab journalist Abdul Bari-Atwan, editor of the influential newspaper Al-Quds, memorialised him as “a moderate man in his way”.

Some people in the BBC may consider it witty to call for the elimination of the Jewish people from their homeland. Others might consider it the charming hallmark of a deeply religious man to recruit, incite and inspire young men to kill civilians. And clearly it is no bar to success in Arab journalism to define as “moderate” someone who thought the Jews started both world wars and continue to run the globe through their manipulation of the media and the all-powerful Rotary International. I may therefore risk putting myself out on a limb in the media community saying this, but I’m afraid I find the ambition to wipe Israel off the map repellent, the worship of death indefensible and efforts made to halt Hamas’s uncompromising campaign of terror completely understandable. I can no more mourn Sheikh Yassin’s death, in all conscience, than a Briton could have shed an honest tear for Reinhard Heydrich in 1942.

Times Leader:

Sheikh Ahmed Yassin has regularly been described as the “spiritual leader” of Hamas. This rather mild form of words might imply that he was, until yesterday, a local version of the Archbishop of Canterbury. The truth is that the Sheikh had far more in common with Osama bin Laden than Rowan Williams. That the level of Hamas activity rose and fell according to his preferences is beyond much argument. The wheelchair-confined cleric happily inspired and urged countless others to kill hundreds of civilians among those he just referred to as “the Jews”. Nor was there any prospect of Yassin abandoning terrorism. Hamas is devoted, as it is perfectly content to acknowledge, to the outright destruction of the State of Israel and not the renegotiation of its borders.
Whether Israel was wise to undertake a deadly missile attack against the Sheikh is a different matter. In a perfect world, Yassin would have been arrested and tried, ideally by the Palestinian Authority itself and, if not, then by Israel. That has long ceased to be a realistic possibility. In practice, Israel faced a choice between putting up with a sworn enemy or eliminating him. In other instances, most notably concerning the fate of Yassir Arafat, Ariel Sharon has, rightly, not attacked a person whom a larger number of Israelis deem to be a sinister menace and has instead aspired to isolate him. In choosing to intervene decisively against Hamas yesterday, the Israeli Prime Minister has taken what is probably the largest gamble of his three years in office.

Mr Sharon has, in effect, made three important calculations. First, he has wagered that the short-term cost, an almost certain surge in suicide bombings, is worth the longer-term benefit of the damage inflicted on the Hamas leadership. Secondly, he has opted to keep faith with the assessment of many in his intelligence agencies that Hamas is more a “top-down” than a “bottom-up” organisation, a structure which makes it vulnerable to the blunt and brutal Israeli policy of decapitation. Finally, Mr Sharon believes that once the current chorus of international condemnation at this event, some of which is highly hypocritical, has subsided, he will be able to return to his favoured diplomatic initiatives — starting with a phased exit from the Gaza Strip.

This objective lurks behind both the timing and the perceived necessity of dealing with Yassin. Mr Sharon, informally, has indicated that he would like to see Israeli settlers and soldiers leave the Gaza area, seal that territory off and permit the population there to assume autonomy for their affairs. Such a move would be welcome, particularly if it were the first stage of a wider political understanding, but Israel’s Prime Minister is determined that such a shift in stance is not regarded as a retreat in the face of Islamist extremism nor as an invitation to the radicals to assume control of this territory. The demise of Yassin thus serves Israel’s ends.

If Mr Sharon is to retain sympathy in the outside world, though, he has to convince others that he has a political strategy as well as an undoubted dedication to national security. He should be much more explicit about his desire to quit the Gaza Strip, even if that invites the raw anger of some of those in his Likud party and others on the far Right of the spectrum who suffer from a deluded fanaticism of their own. He should present his blueprint as one that could complement the US-sponsored peace process or “road map” not a separate piece of cartography. He needs a plan for the West Bank and to identify a Palestinian leader he will work with.

A gamble for high stakes is inevitably a dangerous proposition. Israel can limit the losses that it is suffering in the international theatre only if Mr Sharon details how a secure Israel and a stable Palestine will co-exist.

61% of Israelis support killing of Yassin, 21% against.

43% want Arafat killed, versus 38%.

Poll included Israeli Arabs, who are 100% against the assasination of Yassin and Arafat, so its safe to assume that among Israeli Jews there is a strong majority in favor.

[Link: www.maarivintl.com...]

#95 Curious

That is very interesting stuff! And completely in contrast to Daily Telegraph's leader today (23/3) that concludes:

Whatever Yassin's death was meant to achieve, its symbolism is disastrous for Israel. Did Mr Sharon and his advisers consider how the spectacle of helicopter gunships rocketing an old man in a wheelchair outside his mosque would appear to the world? Did they intend to turn this merchant of death into a victim - the Palestinian equivalent of Leon Klinghoffer? Despite intensive efforts to improve Israel's image abroad, and despite sympathy for victims of suicide bombings (most recently in Ashdod), the Jewish state now looks more isolated than ever. Like Napoleon's decision to execute the Duc d'Enghien, which transformed his image from that of a liberator into that of a tyrant, Sharon's decision to execute Yassin is worse than a crime: it is a blunder.

Why dosent Israel use helicopter gunships to straf those who raise blood-curdling ruffians who lead the funeral procession of villains like Sheikh Yassin.

This will take the War on Palestinian terror to its logical conclusion.

[Link: www.newsonterror.com...]

When 3,000 Americans were killed, these guys (in the U.S. and the ME) rejoiced and passed out sweets.

Well, let 'em pass out sweets now.

# 94 Alhamedi Alanezi

My attitude to the Israelis and Palestinians is "A plague on both your houses".

Why?

#92 Camel Prophet - I think you're 10 years too optimistic. If by 2014 this isn't sorted we're in serious trouble.

Bin-Laden Cologne spray

Feh.

It will only be ten years down the road that the world will appreciate these actions. Many people live behind this cloud of the nineties, and truly believe that if we simply do not retaliate, no harm will come to us.

In the case of Islam and the west, no one has seen real violence likek Israel and the USA. The USA forgot quickly, it is our nature. But it is undeniable the service that is being done right now. Many people just don't know how diseased some factions of Islam are.

The left has demonized labelling so much that it is impossible to attack the problem head on. "You can't say ALL people are like that," is what I oftern hear from LLLs.

Actually, I can. I know of no other threat as great as Muslim terrorism in the west. 100 percent of terrorism and fighting has in some way involved Islamists or Islamic countries (Haiti is not considered terrorist by nature) as of late (last 7 or so years). And excluding periodic domestic spats the world remains relatively at peace.

It is this left idea that you avoid a problem, in an effort not to discriminate. Muslims are martyred because of thier socio economic status compared to the west. They use this quite well to thier advantage, and the left wing gobbles it up.

Liberals will be quick to trounce on calls to action because issues "are more complicated than that," and they involve "dialogue." Well, I am afraid time for dialogue is over.

It is for the best of all of us (even the arabs, and they don't know it.) Consider if you will the UN sanctions placed on Iraq. A miserable failure that if one could calculate into human lives cost thousands more lives than the US occupation. Liberals will tell you this is false that it is immesurable. Of course it is , thier actions always are. Some mystical, unquantifiable masure that can never be calculated.

Coming to this post. It is obvious here that these Arabs are sympathizing with a terrorist. Given that can one take the next step and detain them? Would we force action by doing so? Do we save them from future actions they might commit?

These are the real questions to be answered. Sometimes a line MUST be drawn in the sand, and sometimes diplomacy is overuntil otherwise stated. Many countries hide behind this new idea that preemption can never be a tool by which to wage.

This, in my humble opinion, is what has lead to the wholesale corruption of almost every instution we hold dear. The idea that putting the cookie jar out of reach before the child can get into trouble has been replaced with the idea that we place the cookie jar in the child's possesion directly because "not all children would do the wrong thing."

It is my belief that we must save Arabs from radicalizing be these tactical strikes against key leaders, who will in turn save lives by eliminating ideas such as suicide bombing.

#94 - Alhamedi Alanezi

You got your blog link wrong:
The religious policeman

By the way it is a damn fine blog.

(and curses upon you too from this Israeli)

apologize for misspellings I rarely read b4 i post (too excited most of the time!)

Try to rectify the situation in future posts.

I think that's quire good, and I hope it will get a lot of publicity.
Watching CNN, there is a new Gullop poll that shows that 55% of the American public to date supports Israel against 18% that support the displaced Arab death cult.
It further shows that it has been like that over the last decade.
Publicly mourning their now dead idol, will once more expose their true face to more Americans and will raise support for the WoT and the countries which fight those filthy terrorists, and inevitably help GWB to be re-elected.

#95 Curious

Unfortunately, America and Israel are FORCED into diplomatically unpopular solutions. The majority of Europe has remained largely anti semitic, and I feel that they (in some sick way) justify the holocaust. "oh, see, it wasn't just us," is the idea that is unspoken. "We are not anti semitic, we do not approve of Israel's actions."

why is Israel more important to Europe than other county's misbehaviours? This is the driving idea behind thier actions, "do what needs to be done the world will criticise anyway."

The USA is increasingly forced to behave much the same. USA has the status of the major super power in the world. For whatever reason, everyone wants to see the star fall down, like a star ball player. You get tired of thier gloating. Therefore, many countries really know the US is doing the right thing, but refuse to give up thier stubborn opinions that we are an evil superpower.

This will influence politics (as in Gerhard Schroeder's opposition of the Iraq war to get reelected and disguise Germany's relations), or just to take a stab at the US (France, always plotting our demise).

I feel it is necessary to do the right thing right now and let tensions calm, as they always do.The good thing about liberals is that they niether attack the problem, nor you. Many of the UNs behaviour is just words, and as they support the underdog they are not inclined to pick up arms and declare a side. The only wish to voice opposition. So, they are not to be demonized just walked around.

Easy enough to ignore them, as in the case of Spain. Do you think al Quaida cared about the reaction of the Spanish? If they thought there would retaliation they would not have acted. They know that the liberal mind is soft and pliable.

From Allah's post (he is #1!)

In fact this embarrassing, humiliating and degrading pledge to obey the Queen clearly shows the hatred, racism and animosity of the British government towards Islaam and Muslims, as Allaah (swt) says in the Qur’aan: “The Jews and Christians (non-Muslims) will never be pleased with you until you follow their religion (and ideology).” (EMQ Al-Baqarah, 2: 120)

The oath follows a raft of measures introduced (and being introduced) by the Blair regime, post 9/11, intended to single out the Muslim community for their racism and attack. These include:

· Amendments to the Terrorism Act 2000 leading to the internment of several Muslims, for over 2 years, such as Abu Qataadah and the proscription of many Islamic organisations involved in Jihaad related activities.

· Further amendments to the Terrorism Act, planned by Blunkett, which will introduce military style courts, secret evidence and a lower threshold of guilt for Muslims suspected of Terrorism related offences.

· A new advertising campaign, launched by the metropolitan police, called ‘Life Savers’ where an image of a women wearing a Nikaab is being used to persuade people to make the city a ‘hostile place for terrorists’

Those Brits are bastids, I tell ya. Not allowing the Muslims to practice their Allah given right to jihad in the UK.

According to New York Newsday, Pali women were ululating and passing out candy. I had thought that was reserved for big celebrations (you know, American office towers crashing to the ground and killing thousands of infidels), but perhaps this was the Pali version of the Irish Wake.

Reminds me, I hope I live long enough to build up enough of a fortune to leave my children a generous inheritance and fund one heck of a going away party with a free bar, a cover band doing "Freebird", Irish step dancers, and maybe a mariachi band.

F**k the NYT, I'll go with the NYP

DEATH OF A TERROR KINGPIN

it will serve to remind would-be terrorists that some of their enemies, at least, fight back

Rantisi, You're Next! (we hope)

#107 - Ed, that is hilarious. I've actually seen the new police ads that guy is refering to:

A new advertising campaign, launched by the metropolitan police, called ‘Life Savers’ where an image of a women wearing a Nikaab is being used to persuade people to make the city a ‘hostile place for terrorists’

He's implying that showing a veiled woman in a call for vigilance against terrorists implies muslims are terrorists. He might have a point, but check out the actual ad. Scroll down for all examples.

I don't see a woman in a hijaab.

MAKE LONDON A HOSTILE PLACE FOR TERRORISTS

#44 zulubaby

>What the hell is wrong with the people in Brazil?

I think it is the same problem as with the Arabs. they are watching 90% of the inventions coming from American, and 99% coming from the northern hemisphere. They look at their abundant resources and wonder why they haven't contributed and feel like piss ants.

#110 Smit

A Muslim seeing something as anti-islamic where no reasonable person sees it? Who would believe it? I guess when you're so willing to persecute others, you think every one must be persecuting you. Maybe the guy just has a guilty conscience.

I didn't see anyone in a veil in those posters either. Pointing out that Muslims maybe terrorists might just be redundant.

#100 - Smit

>My attitude to the Israelis and Palestinians is "A plague on both your houses".
Why?

Because they're as bad as each other, claiming some God-given right to kill each other, both the Israeli Army and Palestine terrorists don't give a damn how many civilians get in the way, and they'll carry on killing each other until there's none left of either, which may be no bad thing for the rest of the world.

The Religious Policeman

"Because they're as bad as each other..."

WHAT?!?! Killing a muderous mastermind and his cronies is THE SAME as targeting families at a Passover dinner? Young mothers and babies at a cafe? School children on a bus?

That's the "same" as killing a killer? Boy, am I confused.

And repulsed.

Speaking of guys in wheelchairs... I saw a man in a wheel chair waiting outside a drugstore yesterday. I asked if he wanted to go in. He did, I opened the first door, a woman inside opened second. All the while, he was blabbing on his phone. He thanked neither of us.

OT,

Dan Darling at Winds of Change notes an interesting angle on the latest gossamer controversy* being pumped full of hot air by the Donk spin machine.

Seems that Mr. Richard Clarke was involved in convincing the Clinton Administration to attack the presumptive chemical weapons plant in Sudan, where it was believed at the time that Iraqi scientists were helping Al Qaeda acquire a chemwar capability. I note that this attack did not have U.N. authorization, and the intelligence which justified it was reportedly rather weak, after the fact.

*I would call it a mirage, but that would be French.

#113 Alhamedi Alanezi

You're completely full of shit. If the Israelis didn't care about civilian casualties, the Palestinians would already be a footnote in the history books. And when have the Israelis ever tried to justify their actions using religion, which the Palis do at every turn? Try never.

Try actually learning the history behind the situation before spewing shit like that, you moron.

#117

Amen.

#113 Alhamedi Alanezi - If the Israeli's didn't care "how many civilians get in the way", there would be no Palestinians, considering how many are terrorists/sympathizers/relatives/next-door neighbors etc...Israel & the US are extremely careful when targeting terrorists, often to the detriment of their own people.

#110

If Israelis converted to Islam for a year could they slaughter the Palestinians like Syria does?

It might be a viable solution if that is the case. Convert, kill without blame, convert back when problem is solved.

An October 27, 1999 report in the New York Times claims concerns were raised to Clarke by his NSC staffers that the Sudan evidence was less than firm, but Clarke brushed them aside, saying the targets had already been approved.

Clarke denies the exchange took place.

The critical paragraphs from the NYT report:

In Washington, late in the day on Aug. 19, several officials, including members of the Administration's committee of top counterterrorism experts, were summoned to Clarke's office at the National Security Council and told to remain there for the evening. The group's members had met previously to discuss the idea of a retaliatory strike but had not been involved in selecting targets.

The officials were told of the decision to strike for the first time by Clarke that night, according to an official at the meeting. But as Clarke gave them reports to read about Al Shifa, he was met with skepticism.

Some in the group told Clarke that the intelligence was too thin. "People said, 'Dick, what is this?' " according to the participant, but Clarke brushed aside those concerns and said the decision to strike had already been made.

The officials had been summoned that night not to pass judgment on the target, Clarke told them, but to help prepare paperwork related to the operation, including talking points for American ambassadors around the world and briefings for Congress and the press after the bombing.

In an interview, Clarke denied that anyone raised doubts during that meeting or at any other time before or after the attack on Al Shifa. The "people brought in the night before were brought in to do paperwork," not to review the targets, he said.

“Killing an handicapped man in a wheelchair doesn’t make Israelis any safer than before,” Ramawi said.

I guess the Palestinians don't believe in hiring the handicapped.

but we thought that the religious leader who led the first bombing at the world trade center was blind and in a wheel chair...
and since when is 66 old?

Israel to target entire Hamas leadership.

#124 miggle's ghost

and since when is 66 old?

When you live in a shitty muslim controlled territory that cares more about killing the infidel than in quality of life and their own well being.

OT
Muslim violence in Indonesia

Muslims Face Scrutiny Ahead of Olympics

#126 Kragar (proud to be Kafir)

Not just old but (at the CBC Radio report just called him) blind and shriveled in his wheelchair. The implication being that Israel is so heartless and bloodthirsty that it is now targeting the physically challenged. Add to that his so called spirituality, and you would think that Israel had murdered Gandhi. As Robert Kagan said on Dennis Miller last night, Yassin was the spiritual leader of Hamas in the same way that Osama bin Laden is the spiritual leader of al Qaeda. For his own protection and posthumous reputation, it might be a good idea for Osama to get a wheel chair (if he doesn't have one already).

“Killing an handicapped man in a wheelchair doesn’t make Israelis any safer than before,” Ramawi said.

If someone in a wheelchair can write "A Brief History of Time" I think it's possible that someone in a wheelchair could help figure out how to blow-up a busload of unarmed civilians. It's quite fitting actually that Israel literally removed Yassin's brains from his head.

Don't know if anybody has pointed this out...

In invading Iraq, we Americans were told by the islamaniacs that we were puppets to our zionist masters, the neocons & Joos.

Now that Yassin has been whacked they are threatening us with death in addition to the Israelis because their is no way they did it without *our* permission.

I guess utter contradiction is no problem for these idiots/nuts.

Counter-protest sign:

UN: Protect Osama bin-Laden, the spiritual leader of al-Qaeda.

He never hurt anybody.

#130 newscaper

It is futile to look for logic here. You're dealing with people with not even a glancing acquaintance with reason. All they know is that their lives suck, and it's somebody else's fault--the Americans/and or the Jews/and or whoever else is seen as their ally. There is no logic or reason at work here. Their reptilian brains are functioning at a much lower level than that, with neurons sparking and misfiring electrical charges of anger and hate.

About the nick: If Zulubaby can be so racist as to be a white woman using the name of an African tribe in her nic, simply because she is from South Africa, then I can use a religion I am not a member of, por que yo naci' en Cd. Nueva York.

Anyhooo, Smit, the middle of the three pics could be the eyes of a somewhat feminine looking man, but all appear female, and the eyes only look kind of hints at the view looking into the full burquha face, or maybe I'm just stereotyping based on the fact that in the last 11 years in the US Muslim terrorists have outkilled all other religions/ideologies by a combined 17 to 1 ratio.

The audacity of these folks is never ending. Israelis die in horrific terrorist bombings of buses, cafes, restaurants, and stores, and any attempt at a UN resolution denouncing the terrorist groups dies a swift death in the General Assembly. Yet, these creeps want to get the UN to condemn Israel for going after a terrorist kingpin.

And the sad thing is that it will be easy - likely outcome in General Assembly will be a 185-1 vote with several abstentions. I count the US, UK, and Australia as abstaining, but can't quite put the French and Russians in that boat, although both of those countries wouldn't hesitate in the slightest to whack a terrorist kingpin that threatened their own country (oh wait, they have hesitated - OBL, Saddam, and the Iranian mullahs).

#96 - Curious

A few points about Heydrich's assassination (not all them entirely relevant, but ...)

- The assassination was rehearsed in Canada, at Britain's secret "Camp X". A movie-style set was built for it, supposedly created by Elia Kazan.

- Fritz Lang (of Metropolis) made a noir propaganda film about the assassination called Hangmen Also Die, co-written by German communist Berthold Brecht.

- The most pressing reason for Heydrich's assassination was the fear that he would succeed in "pacifying" Czechoslovakia - through a combination of terror, propaganda, and a few Useful Idiots - and create a model Nazi occupation regime that would be copied all over Europe. Heydrich borrowed heavily from Marxist agitprop techniques, and declared the Nazi occupation to be a "worker's revolution", etc.

There is a huge amount of mythology about Heydrich, who was a butcher and an extremely dangerous man, but also a liar and a braggart. He liked to claim that he personally started World War II, and that he triggered Stalin's purge of the Red Army by feeding disinformation to the Soviets.

I don't think you can compare Allied assassinations in WWII (Heydrich, Yamamoto, numerous attempts on Rommel) with Israel's policy of killing terrorist leaders. Hamas is not a government or a nation that can be fought using conventional means. "Assassination" is not just one option among many, it's the only really effective way to fight back.

So it's not "assassination", it's combat; it's war, pure and simple.

Ossama bin Laaden, your kinder, gentler, moderate terrorist.

/sarcasm

California has a strong enough onshore flow now that fog is limited to only a few reporting stations, such as Camp Pendleton. The marine layer is thick, however, so low clouds this morning, even some drizzle farther north. Near 10 degrees north along the coast, near 15 degrees south.

Texas is partly to mostly cloudy, some sprinkles in the lower Rio Grande Valley, near 10 north, about 15 central, about 20 in the south.

By Friday morning, ETA suggests light rain moving as far south as Pt. Concepcion.

AVN model generally concurs, with location of 850 mb 0C line suggesting fairly low snow levels Central and Northern CA

OK, Non-offensive nick in place.

Blind old man in a wheel chair
helpless
shrivelled
crippled!

How terribly un-PC of the media. This is probably the first time in 30 years that an elderly individual in a wheel chair have been referred to in such terms. Why abandon the tried and trued story angle of the spunky senior citizen who overcame obstacles to become the beloved leader of his community?

Will the media start referring to FDR as a old man in a wheelchair? Would Japan or Germany have benefitted if they had managed to kill him early in the war? or was he just a helpless cripple?

This Yassin coverage makes me sick!

I know those Muslims in Brooklyn well. They funded the first attack on the WTC.

They danced and laughed on 9/11.

I hope the FBI takes pictures of all of them, and starts scrutinizing their INS documents.

deadman

I especially liked the BBC coverage in photos of Yassin. It was absolute fiction! Not a word about his atrocious agenda. Not a word about what Hamas really stood for.

I f*cking hate that paper, especially the message boards. Pluck everyhting that appeals to us never post anything that doesn't agree with us. The fact that they have a team to "select" comments that reflect others ideas is laughable at best.

oh well. back to banging my head against the wall.

I thing that a hunting trip to NYC would be as Martha says "A good thing".

OT:
Arson attempt against a synagogue and a Jewish centre in Toulon (South of France).

I am surprised there has been only ONE attak so far...

[Link: permanent.nouvelobs.com...] (in French)

Mofaz: Israel to continue targeting terror leaders
By MARGOT DUDKEVITCH

Israel will continue its efforts to target leaders of terror organization, including Fatah, Islamic Jihad and Hamas, Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz told reporters on Tuesday morning during a briefing.

Asked if Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat is on the list of terror leaders, Mofaz smiled and answered, "You should ask him (Arafat)."

Boy, if they off the Fish, I wonder if it would be a sin to break my Lenten vow of no alcohol except during the Samsung-Radio Shack Texas 500 (which I broke during my vacation in New Orleans, because I don't think my wife, who rarely drinks, wanted to drink alone) and get a big, cheap bottle of Gallo Sangria. I'd even do it on a work night, so help me.

Of course, if the IDF are my friends they'll wait 'til just after the Sabbath ends in Israel so I can start imbibing Saturday afternoon in Texas. If they time it right I'll have just finished showering after mowing the lawn.

Indymedia developments

#128 scaramouche

Not just old but (at the CBC Radio report just called him) blind and shriveled in his wheelchair.

Actutally, they seem to have forgotten barbequed in their description of the frail, blind and shriveled sheikh.

Did you all see this? Here's a beauty...another moral RoP story...Gitmo Muslim chaplain adores porn and adultery.

Also: zombie rocks! His pictures are linked in Best of the Web and they also have the picture of the LLL "NYC better w/o the towers" linked there, too.

#142

I thing that a hunting trip to NYC would be as Martha says "A good thing"

I thing a funny, inflammatory sign would be better, Thing.

Why is it that every time the press mentions Yassin's name they also include the phrase "blind cleric in a wheelchair?" How about "murdering thug terrorist" or "bloody killer of innocent civilians?" My local paper, the New Haven Register, carried a front page AP photo of the funeral procession with a large picture of Yassin. The caption described him as, well you know the rest...

Nim, he was a spiritual leader and a moderating influence. Haven't you heard?

The media have found time to point out that he was responsible for hundreds of deaths. By day two they begin to look at facts, sometimes.

What you are really hearing, especially from Europe, is "don't attack us." The US statement "deeply troubled" is a classic example of stating nothing in a statement.

One interpretation, We are "deeply troubled" that this did not happen when Israel tried to kill him the first time. We are "deeply troubled" that Hamas will blow up a building in the United States. And so on.

zulubaby, i still think you look great as gina morrales.

In Introduction to Theoretical Population Genetics one question raised is why is the incidence of serial killers is so high in the genome? they have virtually no replacement rate, in that they are strongly interdicted from reproducing by society. One theory is that there is linkage to a complex coding for highly desireable traits.

In The Selfish Gene, Dawkins states, "there is no altruism in nature"-- the bird that warns the flock sacrifices it's individual genome to preserve the meta-genome of the flock.

Yassin can be considered as a combination of these two paradigms. He is able to slaughter other homosapiens (like a serial killer), and seeks to preserve and promote his local genome by the reduction of competing sub-genomes (through terrorist action).

the isrealis behaved correctly in eliminating this individual from the meta-genome.

I hope the trolls who want to gather in Brooklyn will have the class to blind themselves and to break their own backs and be in wheelchairs.

I wonder if they need help...

Photo session for the FBI, I imagine and hope.

ohmigod, tim roehmer just actually showed a copy of dick clark's book on cspan, and now he's pimping madeline albrights book! i have to go watch!

Nothing left to say since everyone on this blog has said it so eloquently, but I'd like to add a hip hooray to the list. I'm singing: "another one bites the dust" to myself, too. Rantisi, you're next. Arafish, watch your back (and front, and side...).

#56 dan

"does anyone here have basically the same perspective on everything that's happening lately as the guy at belmont club? that being, if i understand him correctly, that a major war between islam and everyone else is coming very soon? like an all-out war?"

An all out war with Islam and the West would be a slaughter like the "highway of death" on a grander scale. The Muslims have learned and are not going to face us head on. I doubt that we can take control of and subdue the Middle East much less the rest of the Muslim world.

That leaves us with continuing a low scale "war on terror", at the most, until such time as a sufficient casus belli occurs which precipitates our inflicting a population reducing carnage.

That will take more provocation than bombs going off in our cities. The Islamists are simply not going to offer us the targets for some time. IMO the precipitating casus belli could come when an Islamist regime gets control of enough oil supplies to wage economic war on the US that brings about a depression with widespread unemployment and bankruptcies. That will change the political landscape, but it will take some time to develop.

do you guys think islamism can be defeated the way we're fighting it now, here and there, not using our full capabilities, or do you think it's going to come down to expelling massive numbers of muslims from western countries, or do you think it will come to an all out 100% destructive war against all muslim countries, as the belmont guy predicts it will if islamists start blowing up american cities?

No, I do not think Islamism can be defeated the way we are fighting now. The population pressures are just too great and are, along with the Islamist culture, at the root of the problem, nothing is solved until the roots are dealt with. It will come down to a population reducing war, but don't leave the Chinese and Indians out of the equation.

also, does anyone have any links to articles or essays that about where this conflict is headed, with more of a long view, say 10, 20, 30 years down the road?

Dieoff.orghas a lot of articles on the difficulties we face, but the guy has a socialist "green" perspective on "solutions" so you have to take it with a grain of salt (at least I do). IMO, if one does not understand the magnitude of the problem we face with oil production peaking one does not really understand anything. ASPO is another place to start learning about the oil situation.

Articles that might interest you are occasionally posted at this ezboard group although I don't think there are any on the front page at this time (there is access to the archive at the top.

IMO, FWIW.

Speaking of fifth columns, there was an LLL demonstration here at Hebrew U, which Haaretz describes thusly:

In Jerusalem, left-wing students protested at the Hebrew University campus on Mt. Scopus where Prime Minister Sharon was visiting. Students held signs condemning the assassination and calling on the government to end the occupation of Palestinian territories. They blocked roads and had to be forcibly removed.

There were about 30 students involved, marching around campus and very obnoxiously bursting into classrooms and shouting slogans. I didn't see any signs condemning the assassination, just the usual "two states for two people" and "peace yes, occupation no." Then they went outside and sat down in the middle of a road (not "roads") in front of the university, blocking traffic until the police arrived. The press was on the spot, providing ample media coverage to the small but rowdy demonstration.

148 Nim

Because calling someone what they are is overrated. There is much more conspiracy if you weren't SURE they were bad.

It makes a MUCH better story if he was a "poor, old parapalegic that the Israeli's had NO reason to pick on!"

Why in the hell would Israel have wasted intel and time on this guy (and target him "discriminately") if he was a cripple in a wheel chair. Aren't there better things to do with missiles that cost tens of thousands a piece?

People's thought processes scare me sometimes.

PLEASE EVERYONE...

PLEASE

PLEASE

HAVE A LITTLE RESPECT FOR THE DEAD.

IT'S ALL FUN AND GAMES UNTIL SOMEONE LOOSES HIS BRAINS.

#149: The US statement "deeply troubled" is a classic example of stating nothing in a statement.
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humble opinion:

I don't know. Sure it says something that the US explicitly condemns Hamas sponsored suicide attacks, and doesn't stoop to equate Yassin's bump with these atrocities, but it would have been good for Israel if the US out-and-out supported this recent action. It would also be good for the US...US policy must consistently support all efforts to eradicate terrorist elements.

Any thoughts on why Bush is acting a little wimpy on this one?

The Sheik mastermind of the 1993 bombing of the WTC was also old and blind. Reuter's point is?

158

We cannot "publicly" outright support it bcause all those LLL Eu terrrorists will complain. We also need to stay on the up and up with other Muslim countries.

but what the US will do is say"oops, what a tragedy. That is troubling, in a car accident kinda way." Then we give more support.

I wouldn't ever worry about where the US stands on its ONLY real partner in the world.

I don't suppose Protest Warrior is planning a counter-protest?

Sheikh Omar, "Spiritual Leader" of 1993 WTC bombing

Sheikh Yassin, "Spiritual Leader" of Palestinians.

One looks like Santa Claus, the other looks like 'Father Christmas'.

Makes me wonder about that whole Santa-Satan anagram thing.

#160

Yet if the US is afraid of some mere "complaining" how can it reasonably claim to support a "war on terror"?

#157 YY

LAUGHED MY A** OFF!

#145 Dom

From your link:

What happened to me was a Trotskyite style fix up done behind closed doors where I was not able to defend myself culminating in all my admin privileges being stripped.

It's interesting that the article gives us a choice of interpretations:

1. Bristol Indymedia is run by "politically correct fascists".

2. Bristol Indymedia is run by the CIA and/or MI5.

3. Bristol Indymedia is run by Trotskyites who persecute good, decent Stalinists.

Where does the real truth lie? Pity the poor Indymediot, who must eternally wander through this Wilderness of Mirrors ...

Sure, I can guess.

Policymakers know that a "two state solution" is not really possible with guys like Yassin around. On the other hand, the media in the United States (and it's far worse in Europe) tend to treat both sides as honest brokers for peace. All these people are politicians. The "truth" is very much a moving target in politics.

The White House is responsible for protecting the United States above all else. To openly support Israel killing Yassin is to paint an even bigger bullseye on our back -- in their opinion.

In my opinion, it's WWIII time, whether we like it or not.

If I was president, not likely, I'd be far more of a "cowboy" than George Bush. I've only become very familiar with Islam since the first WTC attack. What I've learned is that the supremely macho Islamic world only responds to reason after being cowed.

In other words, I'm for "shock and awe." Then, once the point has been made, try to negotiate with any moderates you can find.

#166 Beagle

"If I was president, not likely, I'd be far more of a cowboy than George Bush. "

Hopefully, if GW gets elected this fall he can become more proacctive rather then being so reactive. If the 'left' get their man in office, it's time to polish up on a few skills and live upwind from major population centers.

#166: The White House is responsible for protecting the United States above all else. To openly support Israel killing Yassin is to paint an even bigger bullseye on our back -- in their opinion.

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This sounds very much like a strategy of appeasement, which has been much criticized when associated with the Spanish in recent threads.

I mean, it's not even like a phony, nonelected head of state was targeted. This was the founder and leader of an outlawed terrorist organization. How can the current US administration afford to hedge here and simultaneously maintain the legitimacy of it position on terrorism? I'm very disappointed.

Here's an interesting article:

Al-Jazeera web poll: 61% for attacking Israelis abroad

#146 WriterMom

With his proclivities for adultery and porn, Yee doesn't seem to have been a very good Muslim, much less one who could be attending to the spiritual needs of the Gitmo gits. It's a good thing he satistified his cravings in Gitmo instead of Saudi Arabia because the punishment there would have been far more severe--perhaps even fatal. Also, I read that Yee had complained about racial profiling, as if the Army had it in for American-born Chinese Muslim Chaplain: heaven knows there must be a million of them in the American Army. Well, maybe not a million, maybe just...one.

Another interesting article:

Al Jazeera Praises Kerry
(is NewsMax credible?)

Please God...please...let there be a riot...please make the mud-slimes scream and yell on this one...Please make them hold up pictures of Iranian moo-las..please make them hold up signs of Sadomy Insane...please God make them start to burn things...Please God make them yell out for an Islamic state in the United States...Please let there be a couple of thousand..Please make the media record every one of these things...Please God... make them hold a sign with a picture of Kerry on it...Pleeeaaasseee...

Amen.

International condemnation was heard today regarding the assasination of Saruman. Today described as the 'spiritual leader' of the Uruk Hai, Saruman was attacked at his holy tower at Isenguard during an incursion by his neighbours the Ents.
Treebeard, the unelected leader of the Ents claimed Saruman was responsible for repeated acts of herbicide, and that this was an act of self defence.
Uruk Hai representatives say that they are a peace loving people, and statements by their beloved leader 'Saruman the Wise' that they would kill all the elves between the Great river and the sea, and that his followers would feast on man flesh are poetical and probably mistranslated and taken out of context. Apparently their poetry can only be understood in the original orcish. (orcish is calimed to be the highest form of language by its speakers. Claims that it is simply a corrupted form of ancient elvish are dismissed as intolerant.)
The Uruk Hai general, now their de facto leader reiterated, "The Uruk Hai are a peaceful people, and we will kill everyone who opposes us."

#163 8 yr-old American suicide bomber

Whatever the motivation, the US is severely damaging their war on terror everytime they are "disturbed" or "find unhelpful" legitimate Israeli response to terror by killing the terror masters.

If anything, Israel's response is too weak. They should anounce that a public funeral for someone like Yassin is not allowed and then attack anyone that attends.

Allah quotes the disgusting Brian Whittaker in the disgusting Guardian:

President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt and the Palestinian prime minister, Ahmed Qurei, both called it a "cowardly act"- a phrase that tends to be over-used in such situations, though when a partially blind 69-year-old quadriplegic is blown to bits in his wheelchair from the safety of an Israeli helicopter, they may have a point.

See, if Yassin had been an able-bodied "spiritual leader" with 20.20 vision, there wouldn't be any problem. Notice, too, how Yassin's age seems to increase depending on the virulence of the media outlet's Jew-hate.

#175 scaramouche,

What do you expect from the Guardian of all evil and falsehood?

#173 JRR

Excellent. I like it I like it I like it.
I like it.

Scaramouche

I think you're wrong about Chaplain Yee in the Magic Kingdom. He wouldn't need adultery or porno there. If Mrs. Yee #1 wasn't quite as exciting as she once was, he could always hook up with a Mrs. Yee #2. Ditto a Mrs. Yee #3 and #4.

Anybody know if Islamic style polygamy is legal in the non-Arab Islamic areas? I know Mrs. Yee #1 was a Syrian. If Capt. Yee wanted a little brown sugar or Asian action, could he get hitched in Africa or Pakistan or Malaysia?

OT:

DEBKAfile’s Palestinian sources report Arafat’s rising sense of vulnerability after every Arab ruler he called Monday gave him brush-off: Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah, Egypt’s Mubarak, Yemen’s Salah, Jordan’s Abdullah and Tunisian Bin Ali. All refused to come to telephone

@ rebtex, postalworker and others -- I'll repeat this everytime I see it. When you associate Kerry with the terrorists you are simply WRONG!!! One may not agree with Kerry's or left of the spectrum policies but saying that everyone on the left, which I am a proud member of, is pro-terrorist is f'ing stupid. Enough already! Noam the Dick and Maxine the C&nt don't represent me or most others on the left. Does David Duke represent the right? How about the more "mainstream" anti-Semite Pat Buchanan? or maybe Pat Robertson does? Just stop already -- you lower this board to BBC/Reuters/Fox levels (and yes, those folks on Fox are full of crap - Ollie North a hero? - he LIED in sworn testimony to Congress). Also, if you want to post links to the left/terror connection don't forget to post all the pics of GWB with the Crown Pig of the Saud entity from that wonderful time they had together on the Texas ranch - talk about sleeping with the enemy. There is a common menace - those f'ers strapping bombs to themselves --- Our hatred should be directed in that direction!

#178 Ed Moran:Abu Retiring Offensive Nic until PM

What nic would that be?

Saruman was an elderly gentleman, who was never seen without his walking stick. He encouraged his Uruk Hai to regularly observe good orcish practises, such as feasting at night and bowing down to the Kingdom of Mordor. Western historians have claimed that Sauron of Mordor created the orcs as an insult to the Elvish people and customs. The orcs counter claim that originally everyone was orcish, and some how they became corrupted into elves and humans.

Allahpunditalso linked to a very good opinion piece from the J.Post: Our bin Laden.

No, killing Ahmed Yassin will not end the war. No single battle ever does. Pay no attention to those who say that because a battle did not win the war, it was not worth fighting. It was not a counterproductive act, even though Hamas will attempt to "retaliate." What is counterproductive is to allow leaders who organize and fuel terror and call for Israel's destruction to enjoy personal immunity.

The wikipedia bio on Yassin has this paragraph:

The attack, which was part of an ongoing Israeli retaliation against Hamas-sponsored suicide bombings, followed Sheikh Yassin's taunt that Israel's response to the Ashdod suicide bombers was weak, and that Hamas would gain strength as a result.

I've looked, but can't find the exact quote by Yassin, date, or context. Can anybody help?

Israel declares Hamas 'strategic enemy'
...

Israel's Defence Minister, Shaul Mofaz:

"We will do our utmost to face a possible wave of terrorist attacks in the coming weeks," Mr Mofaz told army radio today. Interior Security Minister Tzahi Hanegbi said that "the days of the terrorist chiefs and commanders ... are numbered. We have switched from defence to offence and in this battle all the members of the Hamas leadership are legitimate targets," he added.

#117 kafir

... full of shit. ... spewing shit like that...you moron.

Dear me. the last time I heard someone talk like that, he was staggering all over the sidewalk, waving his arms around. And he'd urinated all down the front of his pants. People avoided eye contact...

Israel doesn't need defending by people like you. Keep your troubled personality to yourself.

Ed Moran (abu of the many names):

Here's a possible successor to your nickname:

Ed Moran: Abu Yassin my brains? :)

#182: JRR - You must be a revisionist historian as everyone must know that all creatures descended from orcs

/sauron

See, if Yassin had been an able-bodied "spiritual leader" with 20.20 vision, there wouldn't be any problem.

Or, I guess, if Israel had sent in a quadripalegic Mossad agent to chew him to death. Something like that. Gotta love the moral logic here.

But hey, the Palis are nothing if not consistent. Stung by criticism that it's "cowardly" of them to send grown men to machine-gun Israeli toddlers in their beds, they're now recruiting their own children to do it! Allahu akbar!

#186 Sol Rosenblum,

What's your problem with what Kafir said?

People that are concerned about the potential of Terrorist of finding WMDs right here in the USA should read this story. They did not need Sadam's WMD program when they could just get the chemicals from Americans.

Investigators have found that there are WMDS all over the US that are just lying around, forgotten about with no effort to guard them from Arab terrorists or stupid accidents.

This shit is scarry

Visit Newport, Tenn., population 7,242. There, east of town, past the Pigeon River and the True Gospel Free Will Baptist Church and the county dump, you would have stopped near a gated drive that led up a steep slope known as Rock Hill. Beyond that gate, in a small wooden shed, you would have found what you were after. No intricate alarm system to disable, not even a padlock on the shed's door -- just a thin pine branch jammed in the hasp. And behind that door, canisters filled with PFIB, a deadly, lung-attacking gas restricted under the 1997 Chemical Weapons Convention.

Invisible, odorless and lethal even in minute concentrations, PFIB -- or "p-fib," as some arms-industry insiders call it -- kills slowly and brutally. At first victims experience a headache, a cough, a fever, a tightness in the chest. But after six to eight hours, as fluids flood their lungs, they start to feel as though they're choking. It's known as "air hunger" -- a desperate desire for oxygen -- and for some victims it only gets worse. Soon they begin making pitiful gurgling sounds, coughing up phlegm and blood, unable to get enough air to form words. Within six to 48 hours they are dead, suffocated from within by what doctors sometimes call "dry-land drowning."

BTW, my post #188 was quoting scaramouche's sardonic observation from #175.

#165 Glen Wishard, It's a good one. I think maybe Bristol Indymedia is run by wankers.

I know most people in Texas had Spring Break last week, but good news for those heading to the South Padre Island/Brownsville/Cd. Matamoros sun-and-party plex.

While a few showers have developed under the cap over the Gulf, , temperatures along the beaches are generally running in the low 20s, warming to the mid 20s this afternoon with afternoon temps approaching 30 just away from the beaches by this weekend.

Also, while water temps at Texas beaches were about 16 to 18C about 10 days ago, the strengthening post-solstice sun has boosted beach water temperatures at or above 20C statewide

Notice also no waters at or above the magic 26.5C in the Gulf yet, but fear not, climatology (and 2001's Tropical Storm Allison) have shown the Gulf usually gets there just in time for the official start of North Atlantic Tropical Cyclone Season on June 1.

Of course, mid September is the peak of the North Atlantic tropical cyclone season, and conversely, mid March is peak of the Tropical Cyclone season down under. I don't know much about Port Hedland in Australia, but US Armed Forces Joint Typhoon Warning Center think a major Cat3/Cat 4 tropical cyclone is heading your way.

#171 LET ISRAEL WIN

Here is the "Kissi' Kerry" Al-Jeez "profile" of the "Decorated War Hero".

[Link: english.aljazeera.net...]

Kelly: This shit is Salon.com. How does one get you off this rag?

Can someone please tell me what my nickname means. I can't remember. Thanks.

#180 Grail

General Nguyen Giap (the ' Red Napoleon', the winner of Vietnam war), in his autobiography, wrote that without the organization of Jane Fonda (of which mr Kerry was a member) he would have not been able to win against the Americans.

Is this enough to connect Kerry to the enemies of America or not ?

And that was long before his career of voting against every weapons system, against more money to the CIA and , more recently, against the funds to support the operations in Iraq.

You are right: opinions must be fought by opinions and not insults.
But Kerry career as a subversive and as an enemy of America is long and consistent, and if you are so fool to be proud to be a leftist we should not offend YOU, but if you don't mind I will go on calling Kerry the names he deserves and that he has earned with his hard work as an enemy of America.
He's exactly a redfascist. If you are proud of sharing that, it's your problem.

And Ollie North is a real Hero, who rejected his third Purple Heart to remain in Nam and fight...
If we were decent, Ollie would be the president, but don't yet deserve him.

#182 JRR, yes we all love Tolkien, but as you know (or should) Tolkien's model for the Lord of Rings was the industrialization of agrarian england.

i could be wrong (well, not hardly ever), but perhaps frank herbert's Dune series would be a more inspirational and apropos scifi paradigm for this blog. my personal favorite is "God Emperor of Dune", but the recent work on the psycho-chemistristry of physical attraction casts the sexual imprinters of "Chapterhouse Dune" in a new and interesting light.

#184 Momzilla

It's in Ha'aretz.

Yassin said the bombings were "a response to the Israeli crimes against our people," and said attacks would continue until Israel withdraws from Gaza.

Port Hedland

A CYCLONE WATCH for coastal and island communities between Cape Leveque and
Mardie is now current.

At 6pm WST SEVERE TROPICAL CYCLONE FAY was estimated to be
410 kilometres north northwest of Broome and
690 kilometres north northeast of Port Hedland
and moving southeast at 8 kilometres per hour.

I can't fault Kerry for Heinz having overseas operations since I've known several people who work in food production for foreign-owned companies. Imported ketchup isn't going to cut it; the raw materials are cheap and locally available most places, so local production makes sense.

As for Yassin getting what he deserved, I so hope Kerry chooses to point out that he voted against funding for the Apache program.

#195 Axiom aka Malik Al-Malook
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You may not like the source of reporting, but the facts are the facts. There is a whole lot of deadly shit scattered all over this country that was produced for our own military and they don't know where its all at. Further they don't even care.

They also report that the one government agency that had authority to handle these deadly chemicals (EPA) is no longer allowed to clean up these messes that money grubbing american mad scientists and their employers have created.

This shit is in our own backyards in cans that are rusting and leaking. Available for Arab terrorists to just load into the back of some U-Haul trucks for delivery into big populated cities.

That offensive nick.

All this time I just accepted Zulubaby as a nick w/o question, but now the poster who has taken a nick from a leading California supermarket chain has opened my eyes to the truth.

I am waiting for ZB to change her nick to "Sunburnseasily-baby.

After that, I'll wait for all the insensitive people with faux Arab nicks to change.

And if they don't, I'll hold my breath until I turn blue.

Good editorial in OpinionJournal today; "Fear factor; Palestinians want us to forget they're human"

Worth reading

It points out that the late Yassin was released from a life sentence on the proviso that he refrain from terrorism, which he promptly violated.

Why didn’t they arrest him? Why didn’t they keep him in jail instead of sending an apache.

Given the Arabs' promises under the Oslo accords, why didn't the PA arrest him and keep in in jail? They knew what he was doing and they knew where to dind him.

And in fact the Israelis DID arrest him and were condemned and thereatened for it. As a show of good faith, they released him from jail in 1993 at the urging of Arafat in connection with signing the Oslo accords. Arafat promised that the sheikh (imach shmo), if released, would act as a moderating force. Instead, the sheikh resumed planning and authorizing mass murders and Arafat ignored his Oslo promise to arrest terrorists.

But then this is the middle east, and the spokesman for the Arab group is talking about Jews, so why should he let truth get in the way? And why should the reporter spoil a perfectly good story by printing facts that the hate spokesman left out?

Ed Moran, Is that you?

Some more Wicked Weather shots for ya.

PLEASE NOTE: "Alhamedi Alanezi" and "Sol Rosenblum" are the same person, posting with a British account. Now banned.

I reeeaallly hate when the trolls use multiple nicknames to make it look like they have support. It's one of the few things that will bring on an instant ban.

#203

You go Ed!

#207 Charles

Excellent timing as always.

Nice zapping.

now the poster who has taken a nick from a leading California supermarket chain

There's a California supermarket chain called "8 yr-old American suicide bomber"?

I knew California was weird.

#199 Writermom -- That was a threat, but doesn't seem to be the same taunt about a weak response from Israel. I'm still looking but ... gag ... I'm having to wade through so much vile spew in support of that utterly depraved miscreant.

#186 Sol Rosenblum -

Israel doesn't need defending by people like you.

Dear me Sol, what arrogance.

Kafir is one of many who have had it with the multi-culti, mindless cycle of violence crowd. Israel's war is a war of civility against barbarism. Israel doesn't need people like Kafir? No Sol, Israel doesn't need nitwits who can't distinguish between collateral damage and terrorism.

#203 Ed Moran,

Thanks, I'm still trying to catch up on all the postings from yesterday.

Nevermind.

#198 debriefed.
Fortean times did a piece a few years back discussing which science fiction book OBL based his planning on. The two front runners were Dune. ('there is no perfect defence against an openant prepared to die', Paul takes the name Usul, meaning Base.)
versus Asimovs Foundation with the hero turning up to make pronouncements on video when he was long dead.
Hey, just managed to google the article. Here it is.
[Link: www.ansible.demon.co.uk...]

206

No, but I did see a waterspout once while working as a night Baker Hughes INTEQ MWD field engineer on a "triple combo" (Multiple Propagation Resistivity-Formation Gamma Ray-Density Porosity-Neutron Porosity along with directional) job for Coastal Oil and Gas back in 1997 on a jackup rig (Diamond Offshore Ocean Columbia, IIRC) in the West Cameron OCS.

The waterspout developed out of a towering cumulus, and the spout itself was very narrow. It dissipated before the cloud, which had only a light shower, reached the rig.

BTW, two MWD tools were lost in the hole on that job.

Speaking of Coastal and lost MWD tools, I was on another job for them, again in the West Cam. I don't know if any of you are familair with Eaton's Correlation for pore pressure prediction from shale resistivity. Very similar, actually, to the "D-exponent Method" ( rate of penetration modified by drilling parameters) used by 'mud loggers'. Involves plotting shale resistivity vs. depth on a semi-log axis. Normally, with increasing depth, increasing shale compaction means less water left in the shale, which means higher resistivity. A shale bed near an abnormal/overpressured sand, however, will have higher prosity/lower resistivity.

I was in bed, sleeping, when Greg, the other MWD hand (originally from Denver, IIRC) noticed a precipitous drop in shale resistivity. he woke up the Coastal company drilling representative (aka "The Company Man") with his prediction of dangerous pressure. The Comapny Man called the rig floor, was told they were 100 feet from TD, and instead of halting drilling while they weighted up the mud, told Greg he wasn't worried and went back to sleep. Not helping, the "mud loggers" had fallen asleep, and didn't note long splintery shale pieces in the returns (for that crime, they had to ride a work boat in while I flew in on a helicopter).

They reach TD, and right as driller comes off bottom to circulate, take a kick (about 10 barrels, IIRC), then the hole collapsed, sticking the tool, but ending the kick.

Anyway, expensive lost tool string/added days for Coastal. Meanwhile, Greg flies in, because his house (near 'Don's' Seafood restaurant in LFT) was broken into, and his gun collection stolen.

Coastal wants to sidetrack with slim tools, BHI was busy, couldn't provide it. So I had to rig down and make about a thousand field print logs, measured depth and TVD, by myself.

So that is my waterspout story.

I have also seen tropical funnels (much like a waterspout, but over coastal areas) in Iberia parish, Louisiana.

i'll read the article, but imagining that osama read dune is impossible for me-- more likely herbert's research on tribal culture and religion parallels osama's education and culture genes. declaring jihaad does open some new avenues of information for the amanu, (like they can watch al jazeerha) but i don't think it extends to reading scifi for inspiration. and if even if it was true, wouldn't it still be abetter paradigm, in the know thy enemy frame of reference?

myself, i like to think of LGF in terms of Josh Whedion's firefly-- LGF is the serenity, liberal media is the alliance, posters hijack threads, execute trolls, ...ohmigod tim is pimping that stupid clark book again!!! gotta go, later

163

We DO support a war on terror, more than any other nation in the world!

Howerver this is an international community, and remember Bush said that we would have to make friends in strange places, and win some victories in secret.

To the world "shame on you Israel, think about your actions!" To Israel "Great Job, guys!" You just have to understand America does everythhing it can to keep Israel's image on the up and up.

You couldn't go into Iraq because of the international community, not because we didn't want you there. G-d we could have used Israel and America alone in Iraq, but we "have to play by the rules."

About terror. When America speaks about that they nevermince words. If america says "deeply troubled." That is in reference to the peace process. Never in the war on terror.

How many vetos have we used for Israel. Trust me, when push comes to shove. Fuck the rest.

Too bad Israel can't sue for the price of the missles 'wasted'...

I sure would like to get dressed up in a black suit with sunglasses and get a couple of other guys dressed the same as me to stand near the entrance and photograph the people going on. I'd love to stir up their bowels.

8 yr-old American suicide bomber (#158)

Any thoughts on why Bush is acting a little wimpy on this one?

Here's why: A Day When the White House Reversed Stand on the Killing

Arab and American officials said pressure on the White House to take a tougher stand built up throughout the day.

"When you see thousands of people all over the Arab world coming out into the streets, it's hard to ignore that," an administration official said. "It's hard not to say anything about it."

Pressure. Peer pressure, pressure from the Arab world, I think it's safe to say that the pressure to condemn this was intense. I'm extremely disappointed that the US back-peddled on this one.

pantat (#160)

We cannot "publicly" outright support it bcause all those LLL Eu terrrorists will complain. We also need to stay on the up and up with other Muslim countries.

Why? And why is it more important to not hurt the Muslim countries feeling than it is to support Israel? That's no excuse. The US is fighting a war on terror that the entire world should be involved in. If the US can't support Israel when she needs to take out someone like Yassin, then I just give up.

#215, JRR, delightful article, but not counter to my point. have you seen firefly? i really really like Charles as cpt. malcom reynolds, borderline line criminal and valiant warrior, scourge of the alliance controlled 'verse.

the blog'verse is a whole new paradigm, a "frontier" if you will, and powerful sites like LGF will become more influentional in the world of Big Media. i've only been here a couple of weeks and the information flow is astonishing...

i hafta go do chores, i'll jump to the top later to catch charles' insight on the 9/11 commission.

pantat #160

We cannot "publicly" outright support it bcause all those LLL Eu terrrorists will complain. We also need to stay on the up and up with other Muslim countries.

With all due respect, that's nonsense.

We can certainly dissent when it is right to do so. If the EUoracrats don't like our saying "It is absolutely right to kill a leading terrorist like Yassin and America tips its hat to Israel for the deed" what are they going to do about it? Nothing, that's what.

And as far as Moslem countries go, the ones that are supposedly our allies ala Egypt, Jordan, Saudi [puke] Arabia and the rest simply need us far more than we need them. Not a one of those Arab countries are self sufficient and all of them rely on U.S. free dollars and favorable trade status (Egypt, Jordan) or petrodollars simply to feed their population. What, Egypt will tell America "We must stop taking your annual $2 billion if you publically approve of killing Yassin"? Will Saudi [puke] Arabia (who needs to sell us oil simply so they can have money to import food which they are incapable, apaprently, of producing themselves) stop selling us oil because of a few words they didn't like? They can't and they know it.

Sometimes you have to align yourself firmly with what's right and yesterday our executive branch wimped out on that. Shame on them.

While I can understand the rationale behind the argument that the US has to publicly chastize Israel while privately applauding but I have to say that I don't agree at all. Why would there be a need for a public scolding? For what audience? Europe? Islamic nations? Europe doesn't care for us anyway. And as we've discussed here many times, for the Islamic nations, it is important to show that we mean what we say about tolerating no terrorism. Those who seek to destroy us respond better to our strength than any weakness.

It's odd that this rally/demonstration/whatever is taking place in Sunset Park when, as several people have commented, the Arab/Muslim stronghold in Brooklyn is the Atlantic Avenue/Boerum Hill area where I believe Osama Bin Laden had offices in the 90's. To answer someone's question above, I still go occassionally to these restaurants with my apolotical friends who aren't as informed about these things. The atmosphere around there isn't exactly hostile, but sometimes I wonder about what's going on behind the scenes. East New York and Brownsville did indeed use to be Jewish areas and are no longer but that doesn't have anything to do with the influx of Arabs. Those areas are filled entirely with poor, recent West Indian immigrants these days and are among the most poverty and crime-ridden areas anywhere in New York City.

Renna (#224)

While I can understand the rationale behind the argument that the US has to publicly chastize Israel while privately applauding ...

I don't understand it at all and I'm very disappointed that the US did that. For all the reasons that you've laid out.

James (#223)

Fabulous post.

I just moved from Brooklyn.

This isn't the reason, but I *did* have a weird feeling that some stuff was going on over there. Why are there never any women on Court St. & Atlantic Ave, just men congregating? Are the women not allowed out of the house or something? Freaked me out. Also in that area I saw some Arab boys throwing stones at a car of Orthodox Jews. Where are they learning that behavior, I wonder.

#210

I don't get it.

But...

If I have offended any young American suicide bombers, I apologize.

Otherwise...

I'm still not sure why people seem to have a problem with my handle. Illuminating explanations would be appreciated; seriously.

Ed Moran:Abu Jewbaby the Gentle Gentile (#203)

I think I'm going to boycott Von's :-)

173 JRR

LOL!!

#168 Don't be surprised to find politicians appeasing on one day and bombing on the next.

In order to understand the "deeply disappointed" statement, view it in light of a short phrase provided to the media so they have something to repeat over and over in ten second soundbites.

That's why I pointed out that you can play semantic games with it. I would wager that whoever wrote it was thinking much the same thing.

Of course, to the politically uninitiated (or honest people), it IS appeasement. So, to make myself clear, I favored what Condi Rice had to say. Basically, Yassin was a terrorist leader and don't let the door to hell hit you in the ass on the way in.

160 pantat

We cannot "publicly" outright support it bcause all those LLL Eu terrrorists will complain. We also need to stay on the up and up with other Muslim countries.

That is not only bullshit it is cowardice. Furthermore, I don't buy that rationalization for a moment.

When a nation can not stand tall for another who is in as much peril as Israel, even though they supposedly want to, it is pandering (to the enemy) to the maximum. It flies in the face of truth, it protects the guilty and creates even more of a cesspool of lies and anti-Semitism. To not admit what Israel did was the right thing, exonerates terrorism. And mind you, when the United States will go to no extreme to exterminate those on their list of terrorists, what in the Hell do you think it speaks to the rest of the world to criticize someone who is only doing the very same? Is Israel not shit on enough?
I am tired of all the rationalizing. What really gets me is this is the same bunch of crap as what we heard during the Shoah when the world played dumb, blind and deaf. It took forever to pry the truth from those people and many today still furnish one excuse for doing nothing after another. There were millions of examples of such rationalizing and cowardice then as there is now.

Beagle (#232)

In order to understand the "deeply disappointed" statement, view it in light of a short phrase provided to the media so they have something to repeat over and over in ten second soundbites.

That 10 second sound bite is very damaging and makes Bush look weak, in my opinion. For somebody who is fighting a war on terror, I don't see how the White House can find the elimination of this evil mass-murdering scumbag "deeply disappointing". It's a whole lot of bullshit.

#234 zulubaby

Check your e-mail-hopefully it's working. Something really funny and important.

WriterMom, I responded immediately! Here we go again ... :-)

#236 zulubaby

Good. So you got it? I'm going to check my other e-mail now.

#236 zulubaby

Looks like we're in business. Sent something back at you...bombs awaaay.

LOL! I didn't get it yet but I look forward ... :-P

#232

Of course, to the politically uninitiated (or honest people), it IS appeasement.

and

#168 Don't be surprised to find politicians appeasing on one day and bombing on the next.

I don't even know where to begin!

Can you imagine naming your child after a deranged and ruthless baby-killing terrorist?
Hospitals report crop of Ahmed Yassin babies

...if "God offers us another son we will name him Salah Shehada," the Hamas armed wing commander killed when an Israeli warplane...

Can you say "photo opportunity"?

I hope there is extensive closeup TV and news photo coverage of this important event.

bomb em

Ya'll are some sick violent racist mutha F*&^rs in this weblog. rednecks and zionist assassins united, I thought i'd never see the day. This is grotesque.

I'm no fan of islam, in fact I detest fundamental islam more than I do christians of that leanning, and While I'd chose to live in a Jewish State over any Muslim State on earth.

I feel that the state of Israel has consumed the soul of the Jewish ppl.

To all with a clear eye to see it is apparent that Israel is committing Ethnic cleansing against Arabs.More than any of the mad mullas of islam the conditions that Arabs live in under Isreal breeds the contagious evil of which both sides are equally GUILTY !!

Now my redneck brothers I stand by and defend your right to live in your hollow ,drive any vehicle, you can legally own,pratice bad religon, and even copulate with your relatives if they're willing.

I feel the killing of another human is an Arch sin.

But I can assure you that i'd stand before God, pure with your blood on my hands before I see you lynch citizens /residents of my country based upon their racial/ethnic backgrounds. ya got that olboy ?

Hearing jews using base racist terms to describe arabs while knowing the effects of striping ppl of their humanity makes my skin crawl. Being of a ppl only one generation removed from exterminationist genocide.SHAME!

To Quote my Jewish Brother Dylan "The times they are a changin"

"I have a dream ,It is deeply rooted in The American Dream"

Hearing jews using base racist terms to describe arabs while knowing the effects of striping ppl of their humanity makes my skin crawl.

Oh how I love this game! Please point out which posters here are Jewish. Thanks.

I feel that the state of Israel has consumed the soul of the Jewish ppl.

How so? Is that from a Muslim perspective?

#244

Hearing jews using base racist terms to describe arabs

please provide list...I see little evidence of this.

/In German accent/

Are you a Jew?

I just went on a BBC site to look what these assholes have on their site. In the list of available languages there are all the languages except...you got it right, hebrew.

Now, now, let's be easy on our new friend. After all, he thinks killing a human in an arch sin. And that's a good thing, right? In the next sentence he says that it is not a sin (since he would be pure before God) to kill if that person is going to kill someone based on their racial/ethnic background. So, assuming that this is indeed not a flip/flop (JFK, is that you?) we can see that he must support the killing of Yassin since Yassin had before and would again engage in the killing of people simply because they are Jewish.

zulubaby my zionist assasin friend [snort]

Didja see this by Emon?

I feel that the state of Israel has consumed the soul of the Jewish ppl.

Get the Israeli violin out-pronto while I call Sharon and tell him Emon is sad about the soul of the Jewish people.

Now my redneck brothers I stand by and defend your right to live in your hollow ,drive any vehicle, you can legally own,pratice bad religon, and even copulate with your relatives if they're willing.

Emon, thats mighty white of you.

/snark

James and Zulubaby

i don't pretend to have all the answers because I have lived here in Sweden for around eight months, but what I do know is this is at least the public stance.

I am not for this stance either as it does make a demon out of Israel, but it looks as if it is bad timing.

Remember all those clowns protesting the War? well, they vote, and it appears they would like to vote bush out. it's sad, ever since I moved to Europe I like bush even more, but at home it looks as if the left is going to win.

Bush has resorted to pandering to them. And to them, they saw an old man in a wheelchair, mercilously destroyed by a vicious Jooo army. They are usually not educated enough to understand what a monster he was. And as his election draws close I am sure he wants to show he is not anti muslim (too bad) but I HOPE in his heart he still cares for the jews.

Please don't attach me to the problem, I am on OUR side. Living here in Sweden is one of THE most concentrated Palestinian populations outside of Palestine (taken as refugees) in Europe, and I feel it.. Sh*t.

And I KNOW it is not fair, but one thing has to be understood, do not give up on the US. You may here things like this, but, I hope that our relationship has not changed.

I have only one true friend here in Europe, one man who told me he not only loved Bush, but loved the USA as well. That man was from Israel. everyday he tells me "Today I am happy and sad. I am happy we killed Yassin, and then I am sad I see another American die in Iraq. Tell the soldiers to stand on the border until the Arabs stop killing each other and decide they want peace."

that man's words are the only kind words I have heard from someone here, and I remember it. As for all those leftist pukes out there that actually care what this useless theme park of a nation thinks, I don't know. But one thing is clear, it appears Bush has been put in the position to appease them.

Just give it a week and see if Colin or Condie fly out there, and in the mean time...Try not to lose faith just yet. I got my popcorn, and sunglasses out to watch that fuck Yassin turn into Kebabs so we are still there.

And looking at this 244 character I can tell we have a long hard road ahead.

GRAIL
Man, you've obviously mis-constrewed the context of my previous post. I'm not against ANY leftist just because they're left.
I simply was pointing out a few reports that showed a side of j f'n k that some havn't seen. His wife supports CAIR with monetary donations. Draw your own conclusions!
As for your remark on Col. North, the man, unlike kerry, turned down his THIRD Purple Heart to keep from being shipped home! He states he wanted to stay with his unit and friends. That's a HERO! kerry crumpled his own paperwork to ship out as soon as he could. That is an UN_HERO.
I served ,after military, with Hossenfus,under North. Both are solid MEN that you could turn your back on without ducking a knife!
On a lighter side...I,too, have voted democrat. Not by perfect choice. My county has NO Republican candidates.Hasn't for a while. Left or Right, I want the best one in.

pantat (#252)

If you don't want to answer this I completely understand but why don't you leave there if it's a hostile place to live?

Anyway, I know that we're on the same side. I'm just upset with the double-standard that Israel has to operate under and I'm very disappointed with the White House. Enough already with the excuses about why we need to pander to people who are not our friends, who are trying to kill us.

WriterMom, LOL!! Armed and dangerous, baby! ;-)

I am leaving here at the end of the month. something really bad will happen. I was here on work and now it is over.

As for the double standard it IS shameful but things are really heating up here between the US and EU and it does not look pretty. I don't know what kind of a card bush is playing but well have to see

#256 pantat

I am leaving here at the end of the month. something really bad will happen.

Say what...?

Queen

Meaning I don't feel safe here and there is too much tension between the Arabs and everyone else here.

sweden has litle to no security measures as a constitution, and Israel is set to close thier embassy possibly along with the USA over security concerns.

Not a safe place to be

#258 pantat

Oh, you had me worried there for a sec.

By the way, I have a wonderful, bright and intelligent Swedish cousin who is in the states getting her MBA and masters in engineering. She has told me the same story as you, Sweden is not a particularly hospitable place for Jews these days. And, she wants very much to stay here in the States.

If anyone knows of a job opportunity for her in the US (her area of expertise is bio-engineering, but is interested in the marketing aspect), please let me know, and I'll arrange to be put in touch. Thanks.

#244 Emon

To Quote my Jewish Brother Dylan "The times they are a changin"

Here's another Jewish quote:

Hatorah amra: im ba'ah l'harg'cha haskhem l'hargo.

Old man in a wheelchair? Leon Klinghoffer (sp?)

259 Queen

I normally live in the LA area, and have a friend in the bio area. She is Norwegian as well so they have language in common, er, sort of. I will ask my friend.

I also have a friend who is at Jand J (Johnson Johnson) Ill get a heads up.

Thanx for the agreement. I swear it is REALLY scary here. The governments pro suicide bomber art started this trend with the Palis lately to just out right describe thier hatred of Jews. And it doesn't help to be an American either, here.

Unless of course you would like to buy something wholesale!

#262 Pantat

Sorry it's so awful there. I know its true, or a perfectly normal and promising young woman (my cousin) wouldn't want to pick up and leave her family and friends. And thanks for offering to help her. Please keep in touch.

Whatcha selling?