Asseblief.

They've gone beyond self-parody (again)

first?

Damn those evil jooosss...

1984, thy place is "Palestine"

I'm sorry. Did he say "Dockrat" was his name?
Yep, that about sums him up all right.

Rats.

Evariste, Ek kan nie verstaan hoekom Meneer Mbeki hierdie mense nie in die tronk steek nie. Die poppe gaan dans.

I wonder if his brothers Wharfmouse and Piergerbil were involved.

sorry :-(

I'm sure Terry McAuliffe is already recruiting him for a Democratic congressional run.

#7 bigel

Someone posted that here about a week and a half ago. I sent that all around work to the nice dhimmis. ;-)

Uh, I don't speak Afrikaans, Brian-I only know the word asseblief. I just said it to crack zulubaby up. I assume you're talking about Thabo Mbeke, but I have no clue what you're saying.

Thabo *Mbeki*

bigel, I just posted that on the previous thread. I agree, it is better than anything I've seen from team Bush.

colossal gall

That about sums up the Palestinians and their supporters - rivaling only the French.

evariste (#1)

LOL! You're so cute! :-)

Mohammad Dockrat said his son’s costume was a “symbolic act of self-defence” against Israeli aggression.

Why exactly is it that a 6 year old South African needs to take a "self-defense" posture because of the extermination of a vermin kingpin in Gaza?

I know, I know. It doesn't have to make any sense.

*sigh*

#7 bigel: That ain't bad at all. Far less corny than I thought it would be, and an effective presentation.

I honestly don't know why prominent conservatives aren't destroying liberals over the unemployment rate (note, libs have been forced to abandon the "terrible economy" rhetoric).

"Senator Blather, how do you rate our economy's employment rates?"
(sit back, nod, nod, nod)
"And the horse he rode in on? A very stinging condemnation! Now, could you tell us why you thought the employment figures were great in the '90s, when they were identical or worse than the ones we have today? We searched and searched through the archives and couldn't find you raising alarms or damning the president from your own party over a 5.6% figure. Are you on record doing so in a forum we might have overlooked?"

After prompting from his father, Uzair swore revenge on Israel for the killing. According to his father, Uzair expressed a wish to become a martyr.

Give me half an hour alone with Mohammed Dockrat and a set of power tools, Lord. I'll make him express a wish to be the prima ballerina of the Bolshoi Ballet.

Hmm...in my daughter's class they said tehilim (psalms) for sick and wounded people, made seder plates and tzedakah boxes.

There is something very wrong with Islam and the hatred they are passing on to all their children.

I just said it to crack zulubaby up.

And it did :-)

Brian said that he can't understand why Mbeki doesn't throw these skelems in jail (okay, I threw in skelems.)

#20 WriterMom:..."There is something very wrong with Islam and the hatred they are passing on to all their children..."

Was it Golda Mayer (SP?) who said there will be no peace in the Middle East as long as Arabs hate the Jews more than they love their own children?

Her words have come to pass.

#19 Glen Wishard

I'll make him express a wish to be the prima ballerina of the Bolshoi Ballet.

I didn't think I could laugh after reading this, but - LOL!

#7 bigel - great ad, great pictures & stats, but you got to watch that foreign content: BTO (Takin' Care of Business) is a Canadian group!

I've said it before, and here we go:
An angry miner with dynamite strapped to his chest blew himself up inside Bolivia's congress Tuesday, also killing two police officers, authorities said.

La Paz Police Chief Guido Arandia said the man - whose demand for early retirement benefits underscored the grievances of many low-paid miners in Bolivia - stormed into congress around midday and went to a part of the building away from the congressional chambers.

When nations "legitimize" this crap anywhere, for any reason, against any target, they shouldn't be suprised if it shows up at home based on someone elses grievance.

This asshat Dockrat should be locked up for life (if not facing a firing squad) on a variety of obvious charges, and his child given over to the care of human adults.

"But if you see what is happening in Jewish communities here, how they send their children for military training in Israel, then it seems to me that our children should be the ones to be afraid and not the other way around.”

That is total bullshit, I've never heard of any South Africans sending their children to Israel for military training. Absurd.

Charles, have you seen the latest story about a young suicide bomber? This one's 15. What I think is especially interesting in the story:

When the youngster expressed concern that his family’s house would be demolished - a standard Israeli reprisal - the sheikh said Islamic Jihad would pay 50,000 Jordanian dinar (£39,000) to make up for the loss.

Now, according to my own memory, in the mid-nineties JD1.00=$1.40. According to xe:the universal currency converter, 50,000.00 Jordan Dinars=70,521.84 United States Dollars. (Back in the heyday you could buy a dollar for 20 piastres/200 fils. That was prior to the first Gulf War).
Now, keep this in mind: Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ), the terrorist group that recruited the boy to be a splodeydope, gets all its funding from Iran, and is given safe harbor in its Syrian offices (including its founder).

American intelligence officials said Iran's Revolutionary Guards and intelligence service had considerable latitude for supporting Iranian proxies. They also supported Israeli assertions that Iran had become deeply involved in backing Palestinian militants, both through Hezbollah and in the training and financial support from Iranian intelligence agents.

United States officials said, for instance, that the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, one of the groups behind the wave of suicide bombings in Israel, was financed and directed by Iran. American and Israeli officials said that since the beginning of the Palestinian uprising 18 months ago, Tehran had paid millions of dollars in cash bonuses to the group for each attack against Israel.

Hamas, a far larger Palestinian extremist group, is also believed to receive Iranian support, though officials here in Israel and in the United States said its ties to Iran were less direct. Hamas has its own independent means of raising money and recruiting members, so Iran is believed to have less influence over the group.

from a New York Times piece in March 2002, at the time the subject of this lgf thread when the Karine-A story was just happening. (I linked to the NYT story at a non-NYT site because the story is so old that it has retired into the paid archives. FYI).
What I find most intriguing is this: Saddam used to pay the suicide bombers' families $25000 dollars. Iran has now had to up the bounty to $70000-nearly triple (280%) the pre-Operation Iraqi Freedom price. This must indicate an extreme difficulty in recruiting suicides, especially since even at that much inflated price, they had to recruit yet another teenager younger than 16, the second one in a week. It reminds me of how the bounties paid to fedayeen and Arab fighters in Iraq to attack Coalition, as the noose tightened around the necks of the funders and fewer and fewer people were willing to risk their necks, ever escalated in value as we continued to get inside their decision loop and turn the tables on our attackers.
Based on this, admittedly slim piece of data, I am very optimistic this evening, because it leads me to believe that Israel is rounding a corner, and winning its war on terror.
(Emphases added by me in all quotes from articles).

"Disgraceful Islamic Behavior"? Until that stops being redundant I really can't give too much credibility to Muslim thought.

What a MAJOR DOOS...

I think I left that fantastic country before the radicalization of our muslim community there...

One would think that they had PLENTY of other problems to worry about in OUR fair land.

The poor Jews that are left behind...

*sigh* it's always something.

It reminds me of how the bounties paid to fedayeen and Arab fighters in Iraq to attack Coalition

s/b

It reminds me of how the bounties paid to fedayeen and Arab fighters in Iraq to attack Coalition troops

More dicraceful splodeypopery:

Militants Recruit Boy,15, as Suicide Bomber

By ALI DARAGHMEH, Associated Press Writer

NABLUS, West Bank - Islamic militants tried to recruit a 15-year-old as a suicide bomber, at one point locking him in a dark room, but also luring him with clothes, a cell phone and promises of paradise, his family said Tuesday.

May the Dockrat and his spawn enjoy their martyrdom speedily in our days, and may no actual humans be injured or inconvenienced in the process.

Dockrat claims the recent case of a Palestinian teenager, wearing a suicide jacket, being arrested at an Israeli checkpoint, was an Israeli set-up.

and I suppose everything else Hamas "did" was an Israeli set up too.

”We do not use children in the struggle, this is a principal of Jihad (holy war)."

In my book a sixteen year old is still a child. I'll bet Dockrat will be just as proud of his little terrorist blowing up innocent children as he would if the little shit grew up to become a doctor.

Interesting stuff evariste #26:

I would say that Israel will not have turned a corner until it admits that the PA is more than just "failing to reign in the 'militant' groups" and declares war. War until victory. No negotiations under fire. This of course works better and more quickly if the rest of the jew-hating world can be forced to stop supporting the shoah on installment plan as they have been doing. The bottom line is that the murderbots need to stop getting bailed out and be made to feel the consequences of the war they declared. Maybe then they can overthrow the leaders who have led them from being the most prosperous and free group of Arabs outside of Israeli Arabs to the just another sorry lot of murderous sheep.

I have not heard that Iran is giving that much. I hope the Iranian problem is short-lived.

Further my suspicion regarding the use of children in the attacks is that the murderbots think that Israel will be less suspicious of children so the chances of success are higher. I don't think that there is any lack of cannon fodder.

wait, it's the same story posted by Evariste. #28=my #30. doh!

/headsmack

I have witnessed people with mock suicide bomb sticks strapped around themselves at "peace" marches in London this year. I pointed this out to a police officer, who told me that there "was nothing they could do."

Have you seen the BBC's treatment of Yassin's life and campaign of terror? It defies belief. I reviewed it on my site.

JJ (#35)

I pointed this out to a police officer, who told me that there "was nothing they could do."

That's lovely. Until one of the "peace activists" wears a real bomb vest? Then will they do something? It's frightening to think about how passive they are.

#35 JJ

I have witnessed people with mock suicide bomb sticks strapped around themselves at "peace" marches in London this year. I pointed this out to a police officer, who told me that there "was nothing they could do."

You sure you were in London? Maybe it was Paris, no?

-That's lovely. Until one of the "peace activists" wears a real bomb vest? Then will they do something? It's frightening to think about how passive they are.-

Tell me about it. Outside my university campus in Britain, I regularly encountered stalls manned by Muslim fanatics calling for jihad, for anti-Semitic murder, and for jihad against the West. Again, I let the local police know what was going on. They are still there.

-You sure you were in London? Maybe it was Paris, no? -

Nope, central London. Suicide belts with explosives wired up "props" were on display, wrapped around some of the demonstrators, for all to see. I know the police saw it and did nothing, because I pointed it out to the officers.

J. Lichty-excellent points. I think that you can definitely conclude that willing suicide bombers are getting scarcer by the price inflation, even if it's true the declining age of the recruits isn't a reliable indicator due to tactical considerations on the part of the terror groups. Another thing to consider: it may be bluster/self-justification in the face of unprecedented criticism by Palestinians-including in Al Ayyam, the mouthpiece of the PA-on the part of the terror gangs when they claim it's to lull Israel into complacency. I doubt any Israeli soldier would risk lives by assuming that a person's age or sex makes them less likely to be a suicide attacker, given the unscrupulous tactics used so far by the Palestinians. IOW, I wouldn't take their word for it that that's why they're dipping into a younger pool of recruits.
bigel-What's the Canadian redneck concept, anyway? cba or Judith, you reading?

In recruiting the CHILDREN to do such hideous crimes shows that not only their present situation is hopeless, their future is non-exhistant.
truely,truely sad

It's all about tolerence and freedom of expression on the part of those who would destroy us. JJ just keep on pointing it out and one day someone's gonna listen

#30, 34 nb-interesting that your story names the figure of $35000 while mine mentions JD 50000 (=$70000). That's a huge discrepancy. I'm going to investigate, back later with the results.

The Dock rats of the world have set sail on a Titanic voyage, only this time the finale will be the dust settling on their cold dead eyes. they need to beware of the heat of a thousand Suns not iceburgs. Only an Idiot (capital I) would follow the Islamist lemmings off the cliff but it appears that Islam has been speed-breeding Idiots. Where did this guy get his degree anyway, National University? Or Golden Gate State?

Well clearly the British security services are doing some listening, today they arrested many Islamic terrorists all around London and South East England, and found explosives. They foiled a major attack. They seem do be doing a good job and I'm impressed with that, they just need to shut down the activists and street recruiters now.

If only the people propagating the anti-Israel hate propaganda could try to grasp the real complexity of things. Poll results and analysis in the Lebanon Daily Star.

MK

slightly off topic... Not really
Syrian on multiple Madrid charges

An Israeli set-up? He's just been watching the BBC. Here is JPost article about it.

Anti-Semitism report to be released

More than four months after a European Union group delayed publication of a report on anti-Semitism that found after finding that European Muslims and pro-Palestinian groups were behind a rash of anti-Jewish attacks, the European Monitoring Center on Racism and Xenophobia (EUMC) which commissioned the report, is releasing it Wednesday to the presidents of the European Parliament and the European Jewish Congress (EJC).

I'll be interested to see if they've whitewashed it.

It's becoming accepted, a fact of life that Israelis be killed by homicide bombers. If the number of Israelis killed isn't over 20, it hardly registers a bleep in the news.
Previous instances of parading children with mock explosive vests were viewed as outrageous, now they have become accepted in the media, at "anti-war" demonstrations - a fashion statement.
These are direct death threats against Jews, and should be treated as such, whether in Germany, in South Africa or wherever.
Very disturbing.

Charles?

#19, Glen Wishard. Power tools hell. Saddams guys could make him a prima ballerina with the Bolshoi and a coleratura soprano lead with the Met using a $6.95 set of vice grips. Throw in a three dollar hot plate and the Iraqis could get a better unified field theory than Einsteins' out of a mongoloid idiot.

Interesting. The AP story by Ali Daraghmeh indicates $35000 and says the details are from the Tuesday story in Al Ayyam. Ali Daraghmeh's story at AP, stating $35 k. I went and read the Al Ayyam story that he says he got the details from; and it does not contain a monetary figure at all, dollars or Jordanian dinars. It simply states that the sheikh assured the boy that PIJ would rebuild his family's home if it was demolished, without naming a figure. This is in contradiction to both what Ali Daraghmeh says the article said, and to the reporting by Margaret Neighbour in The Scotsman. So I emailed both AP (asking that my email be forwarded to Darghmeh or his editor) and The Scotsman requesting clarification of where they got their respective information on the size of the compensation offered to the family's home after it was to be demolished by Israel and pointing out that the Al Ayyam story does not mention an amount. I'll post if/when I hear something back.

#50, #52: Charles, it's back!

And here.

Needle nose vise grips. My thought exactly...

Spammer, FOAD.

Seems like #52 is volenteering for a vice grip demo.

"Palestinian legislator Hanan Ashrawi said it is unfair to generalize, arguing that there had been only isolated attempts to recruit youngsters. She said Palestinian society, which has supported suicide bombings to a large degree, would have to do some soul-searching, but that the causes of despair - Israel's occupation and military strikes - must not be overlooked."

The Palis recruit children to be "inHuman Bombs"---Yet still the manage to blame it all on the J-ooos,

#30 nb
The Paliterrorists have become death cult child snatchers, enticing kids to become splodeydopes.

The Paliterrorists enjoy sacrificing their neighbors' children.

The more surprising thing is that Pali society accepts this. This tells me a lot about how much they love their children. Seems like a child-hating culture of death.

Heck-cellent.

#54 casteroil
They are threatening me and you...not just the jewish!
Maybe we need laws that say we can manually insert these vests into the wearers rectum!
Works for me

Thanks Charles.

I wish I could see the deleted.

AB-just two links, one to a site claiming Jews control America and another to a site claiming Bush was lied to on WMDs. It was stupid.

[Link: www.muslim-lawyers.net...]

Looks like dock rat is a lawyer - sharia compliance in corporate matters.

Since all these lovely Muslims state that they want to die as martyrs in order to obtain their 72 female virgins and 16 (can't recall the number) lithe, nubile young boys, shouldn't they be thanking the IDF for helping Yassin achieve his goal?

Such blatant hypocrisy is the mark of utterly evil and depraved subhumans. Kill all the kamikaze Islamic mofos, even their exploding babies!

Here Piggy

Apparently, the part about the 72 virgins and 16 boys is a lie that Islamic leaders teach but don't believe themselves.
See, Islam is a heirarchy. Those at the top use it for politican gain, and influencing people to follow them. Those on the bottom think everything they are told to do by the Islamic leaders is actually Allah's commandment to them.
The leaders must pretend that Islamic magic is true.

Iron Fist,

Cool! But I was thinking "Dr. Powderfinger's Moonbat Weight Loss Program."

"Mohammed, you only lost half a pound today. You stay right there on that pike, and we'll see if we can't take more than that off tomorrow."

There may be nothing to it, but...The British Petroleum plant in Texas City, Texas suffered a LARGE explosion at 7:30 this evening.

I know Ashwari is a Christian (at least nominally), and she defends suicide bombing. But have there ever been any Christian suicide bombers in Israel or is it just the ROPMA?

Self-Hating Jew of the Week Award ...

British MP proposes economic sanctions against Israel

By Agence France Presse (AFP)

Tuesday, March 30, 2004

LONDON: A British MP from the ruling Labor Party, Gerald Kaufman, called Sunday for economic sanctions against Israel, including cutting off arms supplies, to force it to go back to the negotiating table with the Palestinians.

"It is not enough for the world community, including our own government, to condemn the Israeli government's brutal policies of repression," he said, addressing members of his Manchester constituency. "Only widespread economic sanctions on Israel, together with cutting off arms supplies, can make any impact on this government without a conscience."

Kaufman, himself Jewish, said US President George W. Bush's father, the former President Bush, had "understood the importance of forcing the Israelis to the conference table by imposing economic sanctions on a previous Likud premier, Yitzhak Shamir."

Kaufman, once a front-bench Labour foreign affairs spokesman when the party was in opposition, criticized a decision by George W. Bush to receive Sharon in Washington.

"Bush has shown whose side he is on in this unequal struggle by refusing to invite the Palestinian premier, even though the ... purpose of the invitation to Sharon is the Mideast peace process," Kaufman said. Sharon has received an invitation to meet Bush on April 14. - AFP

#79 Moe Katz

A British MP from the ruling Labor Party, Gerald Kaufman, called Sunday for economic sanctions against Israel, including cutting off arms supplies, to force it to go back to the negotiating table with the Palestinians.

OK, now can he get Syria, Iran, SA, Egypt, etc to do the same with the Palis?

I still got nuthin' from AP, it's been quite a while since I emailed them, too.

How come my brain thinks this should be spelled Praetoria and not Pretoria?

Are you thinking of the Praetorian Guard?

i just heard on michael savage that a moslem is sueing a school because that would not allow her to wear her headrag, and Ascroft is on the islamic side. could this be happening here? the bush administration is really stupid if that is the case.

Mebbi so...hmm.

#78 - David:

I know Ashwari is a Christian (at least nominally), and she defends suicide bombing. But have there ever been any Christian suicide bombers in Israel or is it just the ROPMA?

Not one, to my knowledge. But the suicide bombers are almost invariably from poor Palestinian families, which are virtually all Muslim. No prominent Palestinian, you may have noticed, ever voluntarily "martyrs" himself. And neither do their children - Rantisi's son, for example, was exempted from Allah-cracker duty, even though his father is the top recruiter of bombers (all from the dregs of society).

The Palestinians use their "Christians" as diplomatic weapons instead, to impress idiotic Anglican bishops, and other soft-headed types.

evariste (#82)

How come my brain thinks this should be spelled Praetoria and not Pretoria?

Why is that?

#63 EE

As my mama always said- You got your splodeydopes, then you must also have your splodeypopes.

The current ranting by Rantisi against the martyrdom of Yassin must be turning some gears in dopes' heads, if there are any still there. If the pope won't stand for eternal salvation, maybe it's not such a good deal after all. ;) opimistically, maybe they'll at least stop blowing themselves up. Then (maybe) the media will have to part with saying "blew himself up. The blast also killed three Israelis[who where preschoolers](brackets means that part did not appear in the ap article)" in the article titled "Palestinian dies in attack," and go back to simply calling them murderers and terrorists, and actually naming the real victims.

#54 castor oil

I've experienced the reverse. The more aware I am of the conflict, the less I agree with the Jordanian side.

I wonder if the ISM has issued a similar statement:

News -- Amnesty International (24/03/2004)

Israel/Occupied Territories: Children must not be used by armed groups

Press release, 24/03/2004

Amnesty International is gravely concerned about reports that earlier today a 14-year-old Palestinian child was found to be carrying explosives when attempting to pass through the Israeli army checkpoint at Huwara, at the entrance of the West Bank town of Nablus.

[...]

"Amnesty International has repeatedly condemned suicide bombings and other attacks against civilians by Palestinian armed groups as crimes against humanity. Using children to carry out or assist in armed attacks of any kind is an abomination. We call on the Palestinian leadership to publicly denounce these practices."

"Palestinian armed groups, including Hamas, Islamic Jihad and al-Aqsa Martyrs's brigades, must put an immediate end to the use or involvement of any kind of children in armed activity."

Background Information

In the past three years there have been other cases in which Palestinian children have been used by Palestinian armed groups to carry out or attempt to carry out suicide bombings or other attacks against Israeli civilians and soldiers.

In January a 17-year-old Palestinian detonated an explosive belt he was wearing as he was being tracked down by Israeli soldiers, killing himself and without hurting anyone else. The boy apparently intended to carry out a suicide attack to revenge the killing the previous week by the Israeli army of his 15-year-old brother and his cousin, neither of whom were armed when they were shot dead by Israeli soldiers. He had reportedly been given the explosive belt by members of the Palestinian armed group Islamic Jihad.

Palestinian armed groups have pressured families of those who have been killed while carrying out attacks, including children, not to condemn but to welcome and endorse their relatives' actions.

Sending the children of Gaza and the West Bank out as homicide/suicide bombers is the equivalent of eating your seed corn.

It's an admission that the WB&G residents have abandoned hope and rationality.

Say, I have an idea! Let's give them their own state!

#26 Evarista

Very interesting posting, thank you. I hope that you are correct in your final hypothesis.

So have they run out of vests in adult sizes?
Dockrat pere doesn't seem to anxious to get the 72
virgins for himself.
And what do female suicide bombers get in paradise?

I know it's late in the thread, but...

his father Mohammad

Somebody requisition these people some new names...

The homemade “suicide-bomber jacket” worn by a six-year-old to a protest march in Pretoria was his own idea, says his father.

That's just so damn cute...

“The Hamas group never uses children in suicide-bomb attacks...

The times that it has happened are merely isolated incidences that our leaders abhor and were set up by the Zionists.

(isn’t my little sheehad cute?)

“and it occurs mostly on buses...

Buses… See…

The respected American scholar, Chomsky, has told us that buses are legitimate military targets.

Dockrat?

Sewer rat is more like it.

The next time I hear some dumbcluck western politician telling me how the vast majority of muslims are good law abiding citizens who just hate the idea of terrorism, I'll send them a copy of this thread.

I wouldn't mind, but no-one IS attacking muslims for any other reason than that they appear to think that the nazis weren't quite extreme enough for their liking. If islamofascists keep killing anyone and everyone who isn't muslim, with the tacit support of almost all muslims (even 'academics' lol!!), then DUHH!!! some reaction may well be expected from their victims.

I know...it's all to do with poverty amongst muslims - like bin liner and his mates are destitute!! The fact is that the muslims insist upon peddling evil and doing evil and they have become evil as a result of that immoral decision. End of story.

To stop the islamofascists we must firstly let Israel win, then get rid of the un, and following that destroy mecca and median the day after the next bomb goes off. Flatten them and make them uninhabitable.

Zulubaby:

What Mohammed refers to is that many South Africans make Aliyah and as you may remember all these great people get a mention in the Jewish Report before they leave. So he cries that we regard them in high esteem.

Now, becase you have to do some time in the army Mohammed says that we getting millitary training. Their is no moral equivalence between serving in the Israeli army and strapping on a suicide vest. Mohammed is deluded to think that us South AFricans that have been to the Israeli army (im in fact one of them - for all of 2 weeks :) ) pose any danger to his children.

He was on 702 on Monday night and myself and many friends called in. The man is irrational and there is no arguing with him. He disregards anything we say and just repeats that Israel has a policy to target their children from the watse up. And the 702 show presenter failed to even remotely challenge him on that accusation!!!

Yetsrday a revolting article appeared in the Cape Times - a legitimate well read newspaper in S.Africa. The authors called for the banning of all Zionist activity and of the South African Zionist Federation (of which I have just become a media team patroller).

Here is the link for the article. Its crazy what is happening here.

Below is the official response from the South African Jewish community

In a climate of increasingly frenzied and irrational sentiment against
the State of Israel, it was probably inevitable that sooner or later the
South African Jewish community would be hauled into the spotlight and put
under pressure to endorse the kind of radical anti-Israel views that are
becoming commonplace in certain circles. To date, however, there has been nothing to match in sheer virulence Anthony Holiday's shocking diatribe against the South African Zionist Federation, and indeed anyone who presumes to
engage in pro-Israel activism, that appeared in your 30 March issue.

Like so many left-leaning ideologues committed to Israel's destruction, Dr Holiday clothes his arguments in the language of peace and human rights. At bottom, however, those arguments are both totalitarian and racist, singling out as they do one section of South African society and proposing to deny them rights that are automatically accorded to every other ethnic or religious group. Indeed, not since the 1960s, when sections of the pro-Nationalist Afrikaans press at one time called into question the loyalty of the Jewish community to South Africa because of its commitment to Israeli causes, has so menacing and profoundly insulting an attack on South African Jews appeared in the mainstream press. The entire article, in fact, is a vile slur on the many thousands of Jews over the past century who have successfully combined being loyal, productive citizens of South Africa
with full-blooded commitment to the millennia-old Zionist cause. South African Jews are overwhelming Zionist and are born Zionist. Those Jews who actively denounce their Zionism are in the extreme minority and are on the fringe of the community.

The thrust of Holiday's article is that being a committed Zionist is incompatible with being a patriotic South African. It follows, therefore, that if a South African Jew is involved in pro-Zionist activity (nothing is said regarding the many thousands of Christian Zionists who have come to the fore on Israel's behalf), his patriotism is suspect. Further than that, Zionist activism is labeled a threat to the patriotic ethos of the country as a whole.

In what is perhaps the most revealing, and repellent, statement in the entire article, Dr Holiday states: "To have a foreign organization sapping that nourishment in our very midst is nothing short of intolerable". What this serves to do is depict the S A Zionist Federation, a respectable Jewish organization of more than a hundred years standing, as a malignant foreign body cancerously feeding on the host society and undermining it. This, no matter how much Holiday will attempt to deny it, is resonant with some of the vilest antisemitic imagery as has been employed against the Jewish people throughout history.

There are many other worrying issues that the article raises. Why should a
Jewish organization be put in the dock when there are numerous groups
in South Africa that are openly promoting the agendas of international terrorist organizations without ever being accused of disloyalty to the country? And why should Jewish nationalism be pilloried as an unacceptable evil when other ethno-national ideologies are tolerated or even, as in the case of Black Consciousness and Palestinian nationalism, actively endorsed?

At the heart of Holiday's thesis would seem to be a contempt for liberal democracy. Freedom of political association is entrenched in our constitution, and espousing Zionism (or any other political cause) is therefore the absolute right of every South African, and that includes both Jews and non-Jews.

It is that very right that Holiday is shamelessly proposing to deny. His article is replete with thinly veiled inferences that Zionist activism should not merely be condemned by all South Africans, but is something that should be disallowed altogether. The "murder" of Hamas founder and leader Ahmed Yassin, he writes, "will force South African society to confront the issue of Zionism and Zionist activism in our midst" (the exclusive overtones of the word "our" are revealing in this regard; it is the "us" and "them" dichotomy that is at the heart of every totalitarian, or racist, ideology). Why, he later asks, should "we" tolerate the S A Zionist Federation, since it inter alia undermines the patriotism of Jewish South Africans? His concluding words are that prior to the killing of Yassin, "we might possibly have gone on viewing the agitation of the federation with weary tolerance. That time is not now".

Holiday stops short of calling for the S A Zionist Federation to actually be
banned, but even so his views represent an insidious assault on the hard-won democratic ideals that underpin our society. He is entitled to hold and propagate whatever opinion he chooses on Zionism and Israel, no matter how distorted these might be, but he is quite clearly denying that very right to those who hold the opposite view. Zionist activity, in his own words, is "intolerable", and Jews who promote it are unpatriotic.

What is truly intolerable, and unpatriotic, is the kind of naked prejudice as epitomized in Holiday's disgraceful article. It is an assault on the loyalty and integrity not just of the Zionist Federation but of the entire Jewish community. For the future wellbeing of our young democracy, we can only hope that such venomous viewpoints are firmly confined to the fringes of public discourse.

Chief Rabbi Cyril Harris
Chief Rabbi Elect Dr Warren Goldstein
Rabbi Charles Wallach, Executive Director SA Union for Progressive Judaism
Avrom Krengel, Chairman SA Zionist Federation
Michael Bagraim, National Chairman SA Jewish Board of Deputies

In South Africa there is a vile organisation called the Media Review Network

Mohammed, the father of the kid dressed up as a suicide bomber belongs to this despicable organisation.

Over the years, the Media Review Network has openly and enthusiastically endorsed radical Islamist terrorist groupings such as Hamas, Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad, to the point of sending delegates to their conferences. Following the latest suicide bomb atrocity in Israel, it went so far as to issue a statement lauding the perpetrator for her selfless courage.

These people are constantly on TV giving their lying side of the story.

Things are growing from worse to worse.

Anyone know the number of child services in South Africa because I see a child being abused.

South African progressives seem to feel that it is equivalent to buying your children toy guns because they pretend to shoot indians when they play cowboys and indians.

Can anyone find a picture of Dock-rats seman droppings. It's nice to have a before and after picture of little Warf-rat -II for my album.

Can anyone find a picture of Dock-rats seman droppings. It's nice to have a before and after picture of little Warf-rat -II for my album

I can't find an academic of his name at a RSA university. There is a MAE Dockrat at Rand Rand Afrikaans University in the Department of Semitic Languages.

JAPAM

I read with interest your number of posts regarding anti-semitism in S. Africa.

Unfortunately, S.A. seems to be fulfilling the worst possible prognostications of the final deKlerk supporters.

e.g.

_S.A. support of Mugabe's lethal war against the "wealthy whites", and full agreement with Zimbabwe’s "land reform".

_S.A. denial of the cause of AIDS.

_S.A. support of the palestinian murderers (that goes so far as Mandela (an erstwhile western hero) strutting around the world like he owns the place and denouncing "Zionism".)

_S.A. anti-semitism (as evidenced by your cite.)

I say S.A. rather than just your president Mbeki because these attitudes seem endemic in your country.

So what are we in the "first world" to think?

Thank g_d deKlerk gave up those nuclear weapons.

Is this racist?

I have an idea.
Let's give them a state!

Its amazing that the 16 year old kid got paid to do a suicide mission. Can you imagine the crime syndicate one could have if he would to recruit this way? Well, I guess imagining it is not that hard, since we have an example of Hamas. But basically its organized crime taken to the ultimate extreme.

JAPAM, hiya :-)

I get so homesick but then I read the garbage coming out of South Africa and it cures me for a while. G-d but it's depressing. Even 702!? Is their slogan still, In touch, In tune and Independent?

JAPAM (#98)

Below is the official response from the South African Jewish community

Do you have a link for that? Please say you do.

Dockrat

Yes, and he's a rat every place else, too.

Sounds to me like it somebody missed a target-rich environment.

John: Its gets worse. We no good at cricket and rugby anymore!!!

Zulubaby:
Yes that is still 702s official statement. Last night at a SAZF meeting with the media team we had a guest from the SABC (our national broadcaster for all the others). This guy had some fascinating things to say. We all left very frightened. He said that they definitely do not use the same levels for both sides of the conflict. He says that they alwasy listen to the Muslims and that they are virtually run by the Muslims. There used to be 3 Jews on the SABC news board, but Muslim complaints saw to it that they were removed. Now its full of Muslims. He says that he found the protocols of the elders of Zion on the host for SAFMs morning shows' desk. After he told him what a forgery it has been proven to be they guy replied that he is sorry and that he didnt know (bet he still read it with glee). The guy told us that things are far worse than we could ever imagine. The people there wear Palestinian T-Shirts & listen to all Muslim complaints. He says that when they do something that will incite Jews to complain they sit back and make comments like "now watch all the Jews phone in and complain."

The SABC guy did say that 702 is where we stand the best chance of defending ourselves. And that is very worrying...

5 years ago I hardly even noticed the Muslims here.

Do you have a link for that? Please say you do.

I dont, but if there is a way of getting your e-mail then I can email the document that got circulated to you.

But look here for news of what is happening in the media in SA and how we (media team) try and respond. Im the junior on board and just trying to get into it. I should get them to put that letter on their site...and then you will have a link!

John...I dont think it is racist. But that issue could be used against De Klerk. The only reason he did away with our nuclear programm is because he knew the ANC would be taking over. So he should shut his effin mouth when he says that Israel should follow SA's approach and disarm. He disarmed for one reason and one reason only - ANC control of nuclear weapons. He did not do it as a goodwill gesture.

De Klerk should also answer many questions regarding the murder of his ex-wife. And his continued support for the New Nation Party leader Marthinus "kortbroek" van Schalkwyk is very revealing. Kortbroek is a lying scumbag and when I hear the blacks here shout "One settler one bullet" (which has been judged in court to be not racist) I hope to myself that they save a bullet for Kortbroek.

JAPAM, goeiemôre :-)

Good for you, I'm proud of you that you're getting involved in this. My e-mail address is there, feel free to use it. You have to keep fighting. I think that a lot of my anger comes from feeling so powerless to stop the anti-Semitism. At least if you're on this board you can actually do something. I write letters everyday, I fight the media everyday, and mostly it feels futile but maybe it helps me to keep a handle on things. I don't know. You're right about not noticing the Muslims in SA, it didn't used to be an issue. I worry about SA because they will allow the Muslims to take over and the Jewish community is dwindling. Thanks for the link, I've bookmarked it and will take a look at it in the morning.

Sawubona ZuluBaba

yep, it feels futile and i get discouraged when I dont see the same passion from my friends. My friends are some of the most brilliant people my age in the countrey. Im talking top marks in the CA board exams etc. They could really help out. but they dont.

Its hard to find the time though. Work, media stuff, social life, Torah study...sometimes I feel like I am getting no-where.

I have to answer some letters in some newspapers today - and really dont have the time for the research I will have to do.

Btw, its nice hearing an expat that has good things to say about SA, it really does make a difference to those of us still here.

Unfortunately some of the stuff on the SAZF website is not as professional as I would like. But I cant even offer to fix it up and take over the technology side as I have so little time.

Keep well and get some sleep ;)

JAPAM, whatever you do, no matter how little it is, it helps. Don't give up the fight. I love South Africa and miss it terribly. It's wonderful for me that you post here sometimes so that I can hear about what's going on there. Obviously I hear about it a bit from my mom and my family but you're more in the mix of it I think.

Unfortunately some of the stuff on the SAZF website is not as professional as I would like.

I may have someone to help you with that. Send me an e-mail when you get a chance, I'd rather not name names on the [Link: www...]

I'm going to sleep now, have a wonderful day. Are the Jacaranda trees in bloom?

Zei mir gezunt.

Its autumn now so the Jacarandas arent in bloom - but it always beautiful when its spring...

Thanks, will mail you soon :)

I wont give up the fight. People here think Im so pessimistic because I dont see any way of us winning this thing. But if we do go down, I will go down fighting to the end.

NEVER AGAIN!