Apologies for the double post, but... reading through Kos's apologia

(I doubt they'd donate half their paycheck to the Red Cross or whatever). They're there because the money is DAMN good.

Leftist disdain that a workingman should be able to do whatever he damn well pleases with his own paycheck --- CHECK

while the Bush administration tries to cut our soldiers' hazard pay.

Distortion of fact in order to slam Bush --- CHECK

Nobody deserves to die. But

Standard leftist spologist formulation --- CHECK

My language was harsh, and, in reality, not true. Fact is, I did feel something.

Weaselish apology for language used coupled by defense for vile thought expressed --- CHECK

Say what you will, the man has not lost his touch.

YES!

Making some noise with these punks does make a difference.

Now it's time to concentrate of those remaining candidates that still turn their heads to this.

It's not necessarily that the candidates don't agree... it may be that they don't want to be seen to agree.

Somebody remind me why I was ever a Democrat.

Kos = pussy (Thanks evariste).

Apropos.

"I grew up in war-torn El Salvador, unlike you... none of you brutes can possibly understand how deeply I feel my feelings..."

Oh, stop it, "Kos". Your post was still inexcusable. Be a man and just frickking well apologize.

He's still not acting like his hero Archbishop Romero. Bah, remind me why we bother with abolition of the progresslave movement that's voluntary?

Lying like a five year old. CHECK

From his bio:

While my MLRS unit (A/76 FA, 3rd ID) was designated for deployment, the war ended too quickly and I was spared the desert heat and Gulf War Syndrome.

1) I am saddened that he has brought great shame to other veterans of the 3rd Infantry Division

2) 'I was spared...' gimme a break. How can one profess that he was proud of his military service and state that he was a coward in one sentence?

hey kos, you coward pos:

how does it feel to be called out and bitch-slapped ? ? ?

What a turd.

I don't think DensityDuck really meant his post in the other thread to highlight this shameful behavior but ... oh well.

Kos said

there are a lot of greater tragedies going on in Iraq (51 last month, plus countless civilians and Iraqi police). That those tragedies are essentially ignored these days is, ultimately, the greatest tragedy of all.

Change the date to 1987 and he has a point. Change it to 1994 and he has a point. Change it to 1998 and he has a point. Change it to 2004 and he should shut the fuck up because WE'RE NO LONGER IGNORING THE KILLINGS.

The 100 gallons of sh*t in a 50 gallon container that calls himself Kos considers himself to be a liberal.

I consider myself a liberal, too.

Obviously, one of us is is mis-using the label. If being liberal means rooting for America to fail in Iraq, and celebrating the mutilation of our soldiers, then it is clear that I am not a liberal.

However, I think a true liberal hopes for democracy, economic growth, and peace to take hold. A true liberal is gracious and happy that a butcher like Saddam Hussein is behind bars. A true liberal supports the effort to bring positive change to the Arab world. A true liberal is on the side of the peacemakers, not murderers.

The person who writes "The Daily Kos" is no liberal.

#3 BH

Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart, and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a brain.
Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)

How long before this latest Kos-rant disappears?

1, 2, 3...

Speaking of weasels and web posts, I have often heard the lipidous one, Michael Moore had a post on his website on 9-12 to "whoever did 9-11" that since the flights took off from the East Coast, and were heading to the West Coast, and hit targets in cities that didn't vote for Bush, that the terrorists had attacked the wrong targets (implication being that MM wouldn't have had issues with hijacking a plane in say, North Carolina, and flying it into an office tower in Houston).

Did anybody ever capture that screen and put it on a web site?

The first post was channeling Baghdad Bob before the fall of Baghdad. This post is channeling Baghdad Bob after the fall of Baghdad. The big difference, of course, is that Baghdad Bob was funny.

I was angry that five soldiers -- the real heroes in my mind -- were killed the same day and got far lower billing in the newscasts.

Ummm, 'Kos, where do you think the AP photographers were that day?

Getting close up shots of the mutilations, yes.

How often is a soldier, much less, an american citizen mutilated in a foreign country?

but hey, I remembered them:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=1043 9#c0109

Waiting for a troll to check in and say "I told you so! He apologized!"

#13 BIG:

Thanks. It can't be so bad if Winston Churchill understands. ;)

Hilarious.

We caught that, too. Here's the gist of his new piece that you get re-directed to from the old one:

"I grew up in El Salvador, so it's o.k. for me to cheer the murder of Americans as a blow for progressivism and against capitalist Imperialism. I hope more Americans are murdered."

You have to see some of the comments he got on the new piece. Such as these gems:

And we've been to Fallujah before.
crowds don't get bent into a murderous rage for no reason.
10 to 1 these "good Americans" pulled some stupid stunt and provoked a reaction.
Tune in to Air America
by the threat is democracy on Fri Apr 2nd, 2004 at 18:53:11 GMT

Here's a Question (none / 1)
If what the private security forces are doing in Iraq is so noble -- if there truly is no difference between these guys and the regular US forces -- why is Big Media going to such pains to disguise their occupation?
CNN just interviewed the brother of Jerko Zovko and captioned him as 'Brother of Contractor', even as they're showing a picture of Zovko in his fatigues.
Why all these references to 'civilians' and 'contractors' instead of 'security professionals' or some such'? Why does this need to be hidden?
The Ghost of Howard Beale -- Mad As Hell and Yadda Yadda Yadda
by Anton Sirius on Fri Apr 2nd, 2004 at 19:18:58 GMT

Merc v. Victims
1. As someone already said merc's are prostitutes they do it for the money only.
2. Where is the outrage over the innocent Iraqi's being killed. They aren't getting a $1000 a day to terrorize a foriegn country. They are just trying to survive an unjust war.
3. Where is the accountability for these military whores? Who holds them accountable? If the Iraqi's are to be held accountable why shouldn't they?
4. So what if they were vets. Tim McViegh was a vet. Lee Harvey Oswald was a vet. John Allen Mohhammed ( sic) is a vet. Being a vet is no different then any one else who changed jobs. remember with todays all mercenary army everyone is a voleenteer who joins by their own volition. Todays military is NOT the citizen soldiers of the draft and all previous wars who made the best of a bad situation. Todays military do it for the yankee dollar.
by rational on Fri Apr 2nd, 2004 at 19:44:04 GMT

Props my man! Peace be upon you... (none / 0)

by Dmitri in San Diego on Fri Apr 2nd, 2004 at 19:59:21 GMT

I totally agree with you, Kos. I'll shed tears for the Iraqi civilians before I do it for the Mercs.

by Lupin on Fri Apr 2nd, 2004 at 20:00:37 GMT

Usually, I try to refrain from the name-calling fray, but Kos is spineless scum.

Tasty Manatees

I was angry that these mercenaries would leave their wives and children behind to enter a war zone on their own violition.

War zone? What army were they facing? I worked for a defence contractor once. Does that make me an"ex-mercenary."

I lived in the midsts of hate the likes of which most of you will never understand...

Yes, he knows each and every Amercican personally and has the omni-potent power to judge what hate is above the mortals.

They're there because the money is DAMN good. They answer to no one except their CEO. They are dangerous, hence international efforts (however fruitless they may be) to ban their use.

money = evil
business = evil
international effort = good (despite corruption and ineptitude)

Kos = insane left wing nutter

So not only was I wrong to say I felt nothing over their deaths, I was lying. I felt way too much.

A confirmed liar indeed. Oh, and he feels way to much. I agree. Wish he would begin to think instead, but I won't bet my evil capitalist paycheck on him.

Scumbag

Something else seems to have disappeared from Daily Kos, though; at least two of his advertisements from Democratic candidates.

Like rats deserting a sinking ship.

Excellent job, Charles. The only reason this fuck is "apologizing" now is because you turned on the lights and he ran like the roach he is.

I actually grew up in a war zone. I witnessed communist guerillas execute students accused of being government collaborators.

And you are still a lefty, pendejo?

Leftist assumption that everyone has selfish "mercenary" motives for everything they do (read: self-delusion that everyone is motivated in the same manner they are) and that nobody would be willing to risk their lives to make others lives better!

CHECK!

Instapundit grabbed a screenprint of the original post.

But not to worry, I did archive Kos's caustic and hateful comments.

Despite his alleged military service, I will bet he has never heard of the MOPH.

Kos = pussy (Thanks evariste).

"Kos" definitely seems to be the appropriate word to describe Mr. Zuniga.

Tasty Manatee,

'rational' is so stupid, he isn't even aware that he's dumping on his own webhost, Kos, who served in the military (by the way):

4. So what if they were vets. Tim McViegh was a vet. Lee Harvey Oswald was a vet. John Allen Mohhammed ( sic) is a vet. Being a vet is no different then any one else who changed jobs. remember with todays all mercenary army everyone is a voleenteer who joins by their own volition. Todays military is NOT the citizen soldiers of the draft and all previous wars who made the best of a bad situation. Todays military do it for the yankee dollar.

I guess Kos joined the military for that 'yankee' dollar!

They are there to wage war for profit. Screw them.

He is there to kiss ass for profit. Screw him.

Charles, I think there's a clean up needed in the original Kos thread roundabout #205. Everybody else, stand by for trollspew.

#19 BH

And I'm glad I was able to reach the age of conservatism. With the crap I pulled when I was a liberal, it is a miracle I made to this grand old age.

You reap what you sow, and "faith based" Bush-Bremer have been indulging the same Fallujah [bigoted word]s, who took license to mutiliate the bodies of American civilians:
[Link: www.maktab-al-jihad.com...]

News from Babylon is run by Indyfascist scumbags, but it is worth a look if only to examine what the internal enemy is making of Fireside-GWB's pathological irresolution:
[Link: www.newsfrombabylon.com...]

See pdf of Coalition Provisional Authority "Order" viz nominally enforcing prohibition against "incitement" in Iraq.
[Link: www.cpa-iraq.org...]
JOKE! While "faith based" Bush-Bremer, floundering under the crippling weight of GWB's "islam is peace" basura, are allowing [bigoted word] genocidists to take license, those oil-patch doormats are effectively outlawing Secularism in Iraq.

TICK...$$$...TICK...$$$...TICK...$$$...TICK...

Great post, lizard. What an insufferable dick this guy is. He still is filled with so much raw and burning hatred that he can't just say "My partisan emotions got the best of me, and I acted like an ass."

No, he's back to taking his turn swinging the pipe at the pinatas hanging from cables on the bridge that he thinks these murdered humans are.

But the mercenary is a whole different deal. They willingly enter a war zone, and do so because of the paycheck. They're not there for humanitarian reasons (I doubt they'd donate half their paycheck to the Red Cross or whatever). They're there because the money is DAMN good. They answer to no one except their CEO. They are dangerous, hence international efforts (however fruitless they may be) to ban their use.

"They earned money in the private sector, and thus are fair game." And I really wonder if it weren't politically dangerous to spew similar filth about our active duty forces if he wouldn't be saying the same or similar about them too.

How much can contractors like this earn staying state-side? Quite a pretty penny, especially in today's climate. Teaching corporate suits how to do bootlegger moves in cars and warning them of things to be on the lookout for and such. Hell, there's tons of ways. While their families' tears are still flowing, he divines there's no possible way that these guys went to Iraq because they believed it was a good and important thing to do.

But because these victims weren't working for the socialist state in exchange for 2 sacks of potatoes and a gallon of vodka, their sins could never be forgiven. This guy is in his freaking thirties, and implies that they deserved to die for not giving half their check to the Red Cross! Hey Zuniga, the military troops get paid just like you did when you were on active duty. They knew they could be sent off to foreign lands to do some killing. So go on, coward, and call them mercinaries too. They knew what they were getting into when they volunteered and agreed to take the pay.

Don't you dare try and hide your evil behind feigned concern for them. Were you honest with us, you'd admit you do a little dance when those "paid killers" get "what's coming to them" too.

Heh. I tried the wayback machine and guess what?

Robots.txt Query Exclusion.

We're sorry, access to [Link: www.dailykos.com...] has been blocked by the site owner via robots.txt.

Here's the robots.txt file:

User-agent: Mediapartners-Google*
Disallow:

User-Agent: Googlebot
#Disallow: /
Disallow: /comments
Disallow: /user
Disallow: /poll
Disallow: /print
Disallow: /search

# Alexa Archver, allow them
User-Agent: ia_archiver
Disallow: /comments
Disallow: /user
Disallow: /poll
Disallow: /print
Disallow: /search

User-Agent: *
Disallow: /

Now why would he do that, and how long has he been doing it?

Daily Rose writes:

So not only was I wrong to say I felt nothing over their deaths, I was lying. I felt way too much.

Yeah, you felt way too much hatred towards those mercenary, objects of scorn, worthy of nothing more than a "screw them" comment upon learning of the horrific and barbaric circumstances of their death Americans who lost their lives.

He's still lying.

Good point.

If I were a San Francisco tech lawyer, I would probably refrain from making any pronouncements that one's profession could make one worthy of death.

Daily Kos is a big Kerry supporter. Kerry agitated against American soldiers in Vietnam and called them rapists and murderers. Daily Kos gloats about dead Americans. I reject saying left wingers have degenerated into gloating about the murder of their fellow Americans. I do say that Daily Kos and Kerry are scum and however they spin their words. They gloated about dead Americans. Kerry should never be elected president. How can you elect that man Commander in Chief and ask our boys in uniform to accept him as their leader. We shouldn't do that to them. They have been hurt enough by Daily Kos' comments.

I wrote to one of those advertisers and asked if they were willing to go to the doors of those families who saw their loved one's burnt remains being hit by shovels in Fallujah. I asked them if they had the guts to knock on those doors and say "screw you" to those families.

I ask the same of this Kos character. If you can't say it to someone's face and be a man about it, then shut your mouth.

I've said some pretty harsh things on this blog about Islam and its believers. But make no mistake about it: I've said the same things to some Muslims and I will every chance I get. I will go toe to toe with any Muslim any day about their religion, because I believe I have the arguments to back me up. Boys like Kos talk shit about stuff they know nothing about and then to look tough they hide behind their url's and write stuff that will forever be remembered and forever stain their names with dishonor.

At the end of the day, anyone who tries to justify the behaviour in Fallujah, the bombings planned by Yassin, 9/11, or any such acts of such depraved barbarity is my enemy. And in this war, the stakes are too high to just distance myself from people who can look at such behaviour and shrug or gloat: I will work every chance I get to destroy them. I saw 9/11, and it happened because people didn't care and let savages run wild. Well, those days are over, and it's not about race, language, nationality, or even religion; it's about whether you can look at such behavior and see that it simply cannot stand.

#21 Buckeye Abroad - Hi guy! Haven't seen you around the playground lately - maybe we just don't have recess at the same times.
I'm getting emotionally worn out by this Kos scumbag and his supporters (ya should check out the "Simon" thread).
As far as he or any one of us know, these "thousands of dollars a day" (WTF? I never got anything like that!) men were guarding or on the way to guard FOOD CONVOYS. Those nasty bastards. How dare they help Iraq's to EAT, what a warlike bunch they were huh?
Blahh - I'm through working for today, so I'm gonna get a drink.

March 20: Blogads article in Star-Tribune, featuring Kos as a "left-leaning" success story.

April 2: Ad cancellations on Kos.

I guess BlogAds are coming of age after all, thanks to Kos falling completely over. Advertisers will cancel them the moment that the content goes sick or sour, just like television, radio, and print advertising.

#40 Brett

What you said.

Why? Kos he's stupid, that's why.

#40 Brett

Good Post.

"No, tell us how you really feel"

Others,
This is about the point in the thread where a troLLL wanders in. Keep a sharp lookout! Wait, was that something rustling over in the news hyperlinks...

be warrry warrry quiet!

"Unlike the vast majority of people in this country, I actually grew up in a war zone. I witnessed communist guerillas execute students accused of being government collaborators" -Kos

This guy is a real beauty. He witnesses Communists executing people, so he decides to embrace their ideology of a communist himself. That is, a socialist, a progressive, or whatever the hell they call themselves to hide their true motivation. At least in Europe the lefties have the courage to call themselves socialists.
With his ranting someone needs to get this guy in front of a major media network AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE

and let him talk...

Best way to defeat these guys is to give them the forums they yearn for

Severe storms approaching US Border Patrol checkpoint on US 77 south of Kingsville!

BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BROWNSVILLE TX
311 PM CST FRI APR 2 2004

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN BROWNSVILLE HAS ISSUED A

* SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING FOR...
NORTHERN KENEDY COUNTY IN DEEP SOUTH TEXAS

* UNTIL 400 PM CST

* AT 308 PM CST...THE PUBLIC REPORTED A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM THIS STORM WAS LOCATED 11 MILES WEST OF BORDER PATROL...OR 17 MILES SOUTHWEST OF SARITA. THIS THUNDERSTORM IS MOVING NORTH AT 5 MILES PER HOUR.

* THE SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WILL REMAIN OVER MAINLY RURAL AREAS OF... KENEDY COUNTY.

IN ADDITION TO LARGE HAIL AND DAMAGING WINDS...CONTINUOUS CLOUD TO GROUND LIGHTNING IS OCCURRING WITH THIS STORM. MOVE INDOORS
IMMEDIATELY! LIGHTNING IS ONE OF NATURES NUMBER ONE KILLERS. REMEMBER...IF YOU CAN HEAR THUNDER...YOU ARE CLOSE ENOUGH TO BE STRUCK BY LIGHTNING.

WSR-88D NexRad Doppler Radar showing Kenedy County and US 77. I've been intoxicated while riding as a passenger back from Mexico at the BP post, but they've always waved me through (helps that I'm Anglo, I suppose)

Unlike the vast majority of people in this country, I actually grew up in a war zone.

Claiming past or present suffering minority status --- CHECK

I was 8 years old, and I remember stepping over a dead body, warm blood flowing from a fresh wound. Dodging bullets while at market.

Blaming one's harsh childhood for feeling indifferent towards brutality --- CHECK

I lived in the midsts of hate the likes of which most of you will never understand

Victimization of oneself when you're actually the offender --- CHECK

(Clinton and Bush hatred is nothing compared to that generated when people kill each other for politics or race or nationality). There's no way I could ever describe the ways this experience colors my worldview.

Rationalizing psychopathic violence --- CHECK

So not only was I wrong to say I felt nothing over their deaths, I was lying.

Cashing in on the come-clean-bonus --- CHECK

That those tragedies are essentially ignored these days is, ultimately, the greatest tragedy of all.

Claiming moral awareness in a blind world --- CHECK

I can just see how this whiny, cringing, dishonest little leftist thug must have blanched when he actually saw his ad income dropping within a day of posting the original vile rant.

"Damage Control, Damage Control, this is Kos! Get me outta here... bwah... money draining away... oxygen level plummeting... help! Must... delete... posting. Arrrgh."

Hope someone will follow through with a cache of the original posting mailed to all his advertisers.

Ah, the power of the Almighty Dollar. Sorry, Kos, that's the dreaded Invisible Hand you feel tightening around your pencil neck. Welcome to the Marketplace of Ideas.

Snicker...

Woo hoo! My hat tip drought is over!

Thanks, Charles.

I was pretty surprised that he went to those lengths.

Do any of you gurus find his robots.txt file a little unexpected for a blogger?

Being a total asshat --- CHECK!

It's pretty clear (and has been for a looong time) that the Left is betting against the home team.

Just realised that Mr. Kos still has some ads from candidates for congress and senate.
Any chance anyone wants to e-mail Kos's edited quote right back at them? Ask them if they think Americans guarding food delivery services are mercenaries?

By e-mail:

info@mitakidesforcongress.com
webmaster@hoeffelforsenate.com

We're all less because we allow scum like this to go unchecked. Our grandfathers would be ashamed.

#41 realwest

How's it goin' partner? I'm about 6 hours ahead of your time zone, but I was on the road this week.. home for 48 hours and back on the plane, so I'm keeping busy. I was in Milan this week and saw what happened on Italian news... the did not edit anything. I have been logging on and lurking, but had no time to post.

Don't waste anger on a lemming like Kos. Aren't you surprised he hasn't thrown his medals over a fence yet... but I guess that REMF didn't get to many sitting in the rear.

Enjoy your drink. I will be back tomorrow night.

#43 Paladin
#45 John Gibbon

Glad to have caught your thoughts.

claiming some self rightiousness for having served in the military - CHECK

Blaiming the US Government and Military (even though they helped him through college) - CHECK

Looking quite a bit fatter than his military days, even though he's only in his thirties - CHECK

57

Hey, that last one hits kinda close to home.

#58:

Me too. Ouch!

Trying to hide the evidence --- CHECK

(I mean, really. Shouldn't Keg Of Sh*t of all people realize you can't erase the internet?)

Ed, BH,

Oops sorry, I'll constrain my field of fire a bit!

OT: How does one delete something from Google's cache? I thought once Google had cached something, it was there til the Second Coming.

[Link: michael-friedman.com...]

Check this site for a well-organised e-mail campaign to cut off Kos's funding and the reason why 2 ads are down!

Kos didn't delete all evidence of his original post. You can find it here:

[Link: michael-friedman.com...]

I found this link courtesy of instapundit.

Kos original message preserved

Alan

#58 Ed (and BH)

Ed, I know you do your 'stoutness' exercises and are on the now famous atkins diet, so don't worry. Just continue the good work. There are rewards for men who stay in shape into their 40s.

Running gives me the excuse to accept those extra carbs in good biera!

Jane Mitakides & Joe Hoeffel's campaign ads are still supporting the Daily Kos. Let them hear from the blogosphere about supporting Kos!

Jane Mitakides:
Mitakides for Congress
P.O. Box 29-2709
Kettering, Ohio 45429
info@mitakidesforcongress.com
mitakidesforcongress.com/blogland.htm
937-228-2004 phone
937.228.2005 fax

Joe Hoeffel:
Hoeffel for Senate
1528 Walnut St, Suite 950
Philadelphia, PA 19102
Phone: 215-789-3700
Fax: 215-789-3731
info@hoeffelforsenate.com
http://www.hoeffelforsenate.com/BushBlog.cfm

Kos and his gang are unbelievable. I usually never go to lefty bloggers but couldn't resist. Got a healthy dose of the evils of Bush's policies. Gee, it IS okay to kill mercenaries after all. Issue settled for the liberals - work for money=BAD=deserve no sympathy.

Didn't see any concern in their posts about hmmm, the sheer brutality and inhuman behavior of the Falluja murderers. Mercenaries, soldiers, civilians - does it matter what kind of Americans were killed above how and why they were killed? Does it? Shouldn't it bother everyone just a teensy weensy bit that there are evil animals out there ready to dismember Americans? Isn't it justifiable to be absolutely horrified beyond belief that a 10 year old boy would grind his heel into a corpse's burned skull and laugh? It IS more shocking (but certainly not less sad) than a soldier killed in a humvee accident. It deserves a hell of a lot coverage because of the disturbing questions the killings raise about the mentality of the Middle East in general. It does raise questions on moral superiority.

Apparently Kos and his posse of lemming followers aren't concerned with basic good vs. evil in the world.

I never post but am LGF fan of the highest degree. This Kos idiot really got under my skin and I had to give my $0.02.

Can someone explain to me how one goes about deleting something from Google's cache? Doesn't Google control what's preserved in there?

Kudos to Martin Frost for pulling his ads from this site.

Allah's Helper: you can do it through a robots.txt file, as Thom mentioned, but there is also a form at Google to have it removed immediately. Zuniga must have used that form, because the robots.txt file doesn't work immediately. He very consciously went about removing as many traces of his post from the internet as possible.

Mitakides actually has an endorsement from Kos on her home page. Unbelievable that it's still up like that.

OT, but related: Christopher Hitchens weighs in. Fallujah - A reminder of what the future might look like if we fail.

There must be a temptation, when confronted with the Dantesque scenes from Fallujah, to surrender to something like existential despair. The mob could have cooked and eaten its victims without making things very much worse. One especially appreciated the detail of the heroes who menaced the nurses, when they came to try and remove the charred trophies.

But this "Heart of Darkness" element is part of the case for regime-change to begin with...

#67 Wisbet

Welcome aboard! make yourself at home! don't be shy!

#67 wizbet

Welcome! Post more often :-)

He very consciously went about removing as many traces of his post from the internet as possible.

Was he motivated by shame, or embarassment?

#67 wisbet

Welcome aboard.

Anyone from the Ohio 3rd District? You might want to preserve a shot of Mitakides' web site before it too goes down the memory hole.

#67 Wisbet - very nice post. Please don't be shy in the future!

#75 V the K

Was he motivated by shame, or embarassment?

Neither. He was hit where it really hurts a LLL - in the wallet.

#75 V the K

He's a lawyer - what do you think? ;-)

Sorry if this has been posted before:
H'Wood Consultant One of Civilian Deaths in Iraq

LOS ANGELES — Friends remembered Scott Helvenston as a dedicated athlete who was just as comfortable having fun with his children as he was helping Hollywood stars go through grueling training.

Helvenston had served 12 years in the U.S. Navy, and was a member of the elite Navy SEALs special forces before leaving the service for a career as a fitness instructor and Hollywood consultant.

He lived in Oceanside, south of Camp Pendleton Marine Corps Base (search), and worked as a trainer and stunt man on movies including "Face/Off" and "G.I. Jane," where he helped prepare star Demi Moore for her role as the first woman to join the SEALs. He also appeared on two reality series: "Man vs. Beast" and "Combat Missions."

"He wasn't there to engage in any fighting, although he only told me so much about it," friend Anthony Elgindy told the San Diego Union-Tribune. "He was there to maintain the peace and protect the civilians who are there."

Helvenston had also founded a fitness company, Oceanside-based Amphibian Athletics, that promised to bring a Navy SEALs-style workout regimen to his customers.

His wife, Tricia, had also participated in the Raid Gauloises in years past and appeared in some of the company's workout videos.

That's one of the "greedy corporate mercenaries" Zuniga hates so much.

They are there to wage war for profit. Screw them.

No, buddy. Screw you.

He's a lawyer - what do you think? ;-)

Definitely rules out "shame"

I wonder how long until Kos starts whining about how his freedom of speech is being squelched by the vast right wing conspiracy? Anyone want to take bets on an under/over?

#75 V the K

Money would be my guess. Ohh, the irony

#81 V the K

He's a lawyer - what do you think? ;-)

Definitely rules out "shame"

99% of the lawyers give the rest of us a bad name.

Read the first sentence of Kos's "updated" explanation (see Charles' link above)

There's been much ado
about my indifference to the Mercenary deaths in Falluja a couple days ago.

Who uses "much ado" any longer? The connection that immediately comes to mind is Shakespeare's play Much Ado About Nothing

Isn't it obvious that that's how Kos views the furor caused by his remarks.

Even in this he denigrates the deaths of four Americans.

I sent kos a couple of emails with copies of the various screen captures to remind him that you can try but you can't hide them all and..."The truth is out there!"

Hope he has a real case of acid indigestion after he gets a look at them.

Re: his lawyership,

If you read his bio carefully you get the impression that even though he has a JD, he is not a practicing lawyer. He states he works in the tech industry.

Anybody want to comment on that?

#85 Motti

Who uses "much ado" any longer? The connection that immediately comes to mind is Shakespeare's play Much Ado About Nothing

Good catch! He without a doubt made that connection also. Subconsciously?

"I grew up in war-torn El Salvador, unlike you... none of you brutes can possibly understand how deeply I feel my feelings..."

Wait a minute now...

Someone please correct me when I get it wrong.

Zuniga was born in the US, relocated to "war-torn El Salvador" as a young child, and then returned to the US.

Why would his parents move with their child to a country at war? Was there perhaps a job to do there? Could it be that poor, peaceful, misunderstood Kos is the child of mercenaries?

Unless you are equally outraged by this picture of a dead Iraqi child (killed by Bush):

[Link: www.nathannewman.org...]

...I am going to brand you a fascist.

...I am going to brand you a fascist.

Like you weren't going to anyway.

images of the atrocity in Falluja (which so confused kos):

see:

[Link: nikita_demosthenes.blogspot.com...]

Taranto stomps Kos in today's Best Of The Web

Referring to the dead as "Mercenaries" in order to dehumanize them. How compassionate this little man is.

Does this idiot think he can hide? From the internet? From US?

Feh.

Why, Kos has disappeared like a pissy Cheshire Cat. That's nothing left of him but the hateful scowl.

(#87) John Gibbon

He's not a member of the California Bar.

[Link: members.calbar.ca.gov...]

But some non-law firm/government California employers don't require a California Bar Membership, so it's not necessarily indicative of whether he's employed as in house counsel where ever he may work.

FWIW, my reading of his bio is that he's not a practicing attorney.

(#91)

Call people whatever you want, but would you mind choosing a different nickname?

I'm upset that any Iraqi children are killed. I'd be even more upset if Americans proceeded to mutilate their bodies, drag them through the streets and hang them from bridges.

He can't delete his true nature.

Yikes! Battle of the gruesome images. SoCal, was that child blown up, shot, set ablaze while still alive, dragged from the vehicle, hacked to pieces, hung from a bridge and danced around? If so, I feel the same.

I tried to post this on Kos' site, but the comments seem to be password protected. I hate to waste a rant, so here it is:

"Thanks, Kos for explaining things. Now I know that the nice security guard at the Fleet Bank near Battery park isn’t really a kind old man. He’s a Mercenary!

His brain is full of spiders and there’s garlic in his soul. His heart's a dead tomato splotched with moldy purple spots. Such a mean one, that old grinch.

Little did I know that he’s doing it for the money, and he answers to nobody but the CEO. Oh, the corrosion. Where is the love?

And if you don’t believe that Battery Park was a war zone, then you weren’t there in September, 2001. If you thought it was difficult to deal with a photograph of one corpse, then you don’t know what it’s like to have a thousand corpses burning in the middle of your city. for weeks.

Americans know the hatred generated when people kill each other for 'politics or race or nationality.' Why were the wealthy Islamists, our peaceful allies who paid for 9/11 so happy to see thousands slaughtered that day? No reason but hate.

If Fallujah was the result of war then 9/11 was the result of peace. 9/11, those corpses, the grey dust that settled in the corners and the gutters of the city, the hate and those Palestinians celebrating in the streets are what peace means to me.

That's the peace that you and your ilk represent."

PLEASE NOTE: the creep who posted #91 with its link to Nathan Newman's sick little hate hole is "socialjustice," not lizardoid minion "SoCalJustice."

#79 andrew - "he's a lawyer what do you expect?"
Even though I know that statement was in "jest" (you're far too young to want to die now!!), it was incorrect.
Kos is not, NOT a lawyer. He graduated from law school. The difference is most lawyers are truly capable of analyitic thought.
Evidence for the lawyers out here: Kos blog.
Motion for summary judgement; granted!!

#96 Rayra:

Being called 'fascist' by an Idiot means nothing.

Amen. Epithets hurled by idiots are badges of honor to the wise.

#84 Internet Lawyer; et tu, brute?!
99% of the lawyers give the rest of us a bad name

LOL!!!

Kos and his pathetic status-seeker slaves would respond exactly the same way if the victims had been regular soldiers, and there is no doubt at all that dead soldiers would have been treated exactly the same way in Fallujah if the opportunity had presented itself.
The "mercenary" angle is bullshit, just icing on the cake as far as these murderous authoritarians are concerned.

This arrogant authoritarian's pretense of moral authority and indignation would be laughable if he weren't using it to justify barbarous atrocities.

Incidentally, the habit of presuming moral authority to justify barbarism is another point of exact confluence between the status-seeker left and the Islamofascists. Along with their common reliance on emotionalism, it may go some way toward explaining their superficially incomprehensible attraction for each other.

If they were mercenaries, why do the contractors appear to have been unarmed?

Wall Street Journal just brought a little bit more attention to Kos with its Best of the Web.

[Link: www.opinionjournal.com...]

Dear Allah, but that I love this site. Thanks LGF

#107 Shiplord Kirel

I wrote an immediate e-mail to the three Democratic candidates; one of them got back to me in about 5 minutes distancing his candidate from that vile spigot. The other took almost an hour. Still haven't heard from the "lady."

Both the guys pulled their ads, and one is launching "an investigation."

These candidates need to be commended, whatever their party. They pulled their money from where their mouth was. That's integrity.

As I said in my e-mail, I have to defend free speech, even this sick bastard's. But these candidates don't have to pay for it, they don't have to accept it without protest, and they don't have to be affiliated with it.

I was surprised, pleased and impressed with how fast they pulled their ads. Despite what some have said, they sounded as horrified and appalled at what that shithead wrote as I was.

Ship Lord Kirel

Incidentally, the habit of presuming moral authority to justify barbarism is another point of exact confluence between the status-seeker left and the Islamofascists. Along with their common reliance on emotionalism, it may go some way toward explaining their superficially incomprehensible attraction for each other.

Wow! excellent observation. That one goes straight into my quote file, for redeploying against moonbats.

#91 SocialJustice
As your link and picture are from Aljazeera, it's more likely it is either a fake or old picture from Saddam's days or the result of some Ba'athist desire for publicity than from American action.

#99 SoCalJustice 4/2/2004 02:28PM PST
#104 realwest 4/2/2004 02:33PM PST

Thanks for clearing up the 'question' of his lawyer status. I knew if I set my fellow lizard lawyers on it they would attack the answer like the attack dogs that they are!

I read in Taranto today that he actually belongs to a political advising firm. see the link above.

OT,

I've realized in my sleep that LGF backwards stands for 'Fierce Green Lizards' and rightly so!

#104 realwest

I knew I'd get a reaction out of you! You're right - it was only in jest...one of the smartest and most decent guys I have ever known became a lawyer. And lets not forget our LGF readers that are lawyers - Occasional Readerooni, SoCalJustice, lawhawk, you, and others are all good folks to me.

#91 Socialjustice - sigh. You're right. C'mon, brand me. No, no you've got to get a little bit closer, c'mon, closer, closer...

#111 Bill Whittle

Outstanding!

Dear KOS
You are a brown-shirted, morally bankrupt anti-American liar. On top of all that you reek of cowardly moron pussy.

Re: Kos the lawyer:

I don't know where he is supposed to practice. I do know that he is not a member of the California Bar.

#115 andrew LOL!! As if there isn't enough aggravation and issues to deal with, you pile on?!!!
I thought #94, Internet lawyer had the best post on this though.
"99% of the lawyers give the rest of us a bad name."

Gotta run, just saw Charles post on that young girl digging up support for our troops and need to alert NYC LGF'ers and assorted friends and acquaintences to respond!
See Ya later.

(#114) John Gibbon

I knew if I set my fellow lizard lawyers on it they would attack the answer like the attack dogs that they are!

You're very welcome.

Now, let's see.

It took me about 5 minutes to research info on Koz and write the post. Taking into consideration my hourly rate, and adding in administrative costs, processing and overhead, well... the bill is in the mail.

;-)

/I think I just removed myself from Internet Lawyer's 1% in post #84.

#63 email campaign

realwest- looks like the Campaign for 1,000,000 ass whippings has begun in earnest!

To Bill Whittle:

Who were the two who got back to you?

Also write to Stephanie Herseth (South Dakota) and tell her to return the tens of thousands she took from the KOS' vile readers. She brags that she got over $ 20,000 in ONE DAY.

oops. That was the link for those seeking volunteer opportunities for murderous psychopaths.

This is the link relevant to

1,000,000 ass whippings

BTW - I think the biggest weasel-squeak in the whole piece is this:

I wrote in some diary comments somewhere that "I felt nothing" and "screw them".

"I wrote in some diary comments somewhere"... !!!

Can you believe the nerve of this petty white-collar Bolshevik? He's pretending that he can't remember what he wrote on his own damn blog 48 hours ago, when people have obviously been screaming at him about it for two days!

Maybe the guy will do us all a favor and forget that he even has a blog. "I used to make a total jerk out of myself, but I can't remember where ..."

#125 Glen Wishard

#113 Patrick

No, that photo is legit. I remember al-Jihad playing the video over and over last year during the war. It was unclear at the time whether the child was killed by an allied bomb or one of Saddam's own munitions that were fired at our planes, missed, and fell back down onto the civilian population. One of the marketplaces was blown up that way.

(#103) Charles

Thanks for that clarification announcement.

Upon quick glance, I thought Sean Penn or Tim Robbins had stolen my nic.

A thousand pardons, SoCal, for skimming the troll's nick and reading it as yours.

#124 Rev. Churchmouse - Charles now has a comment/thread dealing with this support the troops topic. It's great. I know you will (probably already have) responded.
At the risk of being denominated as "spam" I have gone to the great list org to request that all NYC LGFers check out her site and respond appropriately.

(#129) bashir

No worries at all.

The bottom of my #99 post is pretty close to your #101 in spirit - but I know you didn't see that before you posted.

#82 - "I wonder how long until Kos starts whining about how his freedom of speech is being squelched by the vast right wing conspiracy? Anyone want to take bets on an under/over? "

Oh, I'm willing to bet, Kelly. What, two ads have already been pulled? I'm sure more are to come. I bet $20 that within one week, Kos has a post up that blames LGF/right-wingers/Bush-supporters for censorship/crushing of dissent/what have you. Essentially, a post that is whiny about his bad PR and declining ad income that blames ANYONE other than his own crusty, louse-ridden self for this "ado".

If Kos posts something like this within one week, I'll keep my money. If there is no such post within one week, I'll put the 20 smackeroos in Charles' tipjar.

I'd say that's a win-win situation.

#102 mary - what a great, great post. Sorry I missed it on my first run through on the thread and hope you're still around.

BTW -"I hate to waste a rant, so here it is:" talking my language girl!!! LOL!!!

#91 Social Justice

You tried that fascist crap over at kos too, or was it friedman?. I guess if you post it enough times in enough places, who knows, maybe you'll actually find someone who gives a shit what you think or label them.

I was savoring the thought of posting KOS's erased comment again and again at his website. But then

There is a 24-hour waiting period for new comments

What an LLL Lamer.

Cornholio - What is it about LLL's and "cooling-off" periods?

#129 bashir: LOL, a while ago I read SoCal's nic as "social justice" and the tone I imagined in my head was just like the one exhibited by this other idjit. I was pretty rude about it, but SoCal was a class act and let me off the hook with "time served" for making a fool of myself in public. So anyhow, if misery loves company, we can hang out.

Guys if you are just as sick about this as I am, you can do something about it. Contact the advertisers on the Daily Kos site. There were 4 Democratic congressmen with an ad there. Michael Friedman has an action going on to pressure these people to take away the ads. It seems to be working. If you wanna help, go to
[Link: michael-friedman.com...]

Folks, this link is STILL THERE. Just go to the link, and search for the exact word screw them, you'll find the original entry with his name on it.

#133 – realwest – thanks!

I was wondering why everyone was agreeing with Kos – especially with such a slanderous ‘apology’. Then I realized that I couldn’t post a comment. As usual, the Left stifles dissent.

What #139 said. Query why it's still there, even after the Permalink has been redirected to point to today's entry. One theory is that rather than delete the entry completely, he's burying it and attempting to preserve "plausible deniability." Another is that he meant to delete it, and just did a lousy job. Either way, it doesn't look good.

Yep, still there :

Every death should be on the front page (2.53 / 28)

Let the people see what war is like. This isn't an Xbox game. There are real repercussions to Bush's folly.
That said, I feel nothing over the death of merceneries. They aren't in Iraq because of orders, or because they are there trying to help the people make Iraq a better place. They are there to wage war for profit. Screw them.

by kos on Thu Apr 1st, 2004 at 15:08:56 GMT

Contact the advertisers. Let li'l ol' Kos understand the virtues of capitalism.

The definition of irony:

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

#106 Realwest,
I find that, in general, lawyers are a very fair bunch.
For one one thing, they seldom speak well of one another.
With apologies to Samuel Johnson.

(Don't get mad at me...my bro-in-law, the Marxist lawyer, told it to me.)

#3 BH:

Somebody remind me why I was ever a Democrat.

The Democrats weren't always like this?

SocialJustice (not SoCal Justice):

Stop spamming blogs with the same message or I will re-dub you "SocialDisease."

Per Thom's question about how long daily kos's robots.txt file has been like that:

GET /robots.txt HTTP/1.0
Host: [Link: www.dailykos.com...]

HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 03:26:07 GMT
Server: Apache/1.3.29 (Unix)
Last-Modified: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 03:06:14 GMT
ETag: "98b585-14e-40454ba6"
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Content-Length: 334
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/plain

[...]

It seems very unlikely, based on the evidence, that he changed the robots.txt file since March 3rd.

Also, keep in mind that both the google cache and the wayback machine do not and cannot store everything that was on the web instantly, in between crawls they are blind to changes in content. It usually takes a while for something to end up in either one. The post in question and it's deletion are pretty young so it's unlikely they were cached then dumped. And, as I've shown above his robots.txt file is not new.

It's absolutely vital we stick to the facts here. Besides which, his documented actions are more than enough to damn him, there's no need to jump at allegations before they're proved. The man is scum, but he's probably not google cache / internet archive deleting scum.

I got a screencap of the original.

smokinggun

For some reason I hadn't cleared my cache so archived Kos's post AND comments here:

[Link: fire.prohosting.com...]

I wonder how he's feeling about now?

Barking Pumpkin 4/2/2004 12:46PM PST

Kos = pussy (Thanks evariste).

---
In Iranian Language Kos indeed means Pussy:)

We're seeing the collapse of a large pillar in the leftist blogosphere. Hate speech such as what Kos exhibited is twenty times worse than what Trent Lott said at Strom Thurmond's birthday party, and look at what happended to Trent when the media had a field day with it.

Well the media isn't going to lay heavily into Kos or the leftist blogosphere - so the I have declared that the
blog wars have begun.

The blogosphere needs to start to report and preseve these things and collect them. Anti-Americanism within our own borders and among our own citizens is becoming a mainstream facet of the DNC.

The foreign political agitators that travel around the world to write the English signs that say, "Death to America" for illiterate mobs to hold up are now organizing the A.N.S.W.E.R. protests here in our own country.

Their goal is much larger than the deaths of a few Americans or Jihad - these folks goal is the complete dismantling of America as a superpower. Taxation on American wealth to subsidize the third world and our military handcuffed and escorted to the UN.

Don't forget it. The blog wars may be a small part - but during the American Revolution many folks thought their tiny bit wasn't significant either. The future of America is at stake. "Screw them" was just a window into the soul of the "emasculate America" globalists.

I wonder how he's feeling about now?

Given that he's a lefty Amerca-hater, probably that those who disagree with him are too stupid to see the sublime perfection of his worldview, and it's everybody else's fault, and he's the victim of a right-wing hate machine.

You know, the usual denial tempered by overweening self-satisfied egotism.

Andjam ripostes:Somebody remind me why I was ever a Democrat.

"The Democrats weren't always like this?"

No. Sigh. Even though Kennedy was a doper and an adulterer, can you imagine him acting as though the US deserved 9/11? Can you imagine Kennedy allowing the French to dictate our military actions? Hell, Kennedy probably would have inflicted a hail of hellfire on Afghanistan on 9/13.

The Democratic party used to stand for the working man (woman), the serious wall between church and state, the women's rights movement.

Now, though, except for people like Zell, it seems to stand for divisiveness and hatred towards the working man and woman, as well as a bizarre elitism best (or worst) exhibited by the so-called progressives in the arts and academe.

I'm still a registered Dem., but I so abhor what my party has become that I'm voting for Bush this November, and I voted Republican in the 2002 elections. And I had never voted Republican before in my life. 9/11 was the breaking point--one party "got it," and my party wasn't the one...

No all dems agree with KOS.

#156 roxanne:

Not all dems agree with KOS.

Certainly. But I'm willing to be those who do agree are 99%+ Dems (or members of more open leftist groups who will vote for the Dem candidate). That's damning.

In the Dem community, Kos isn't fringe. Just look at the high-level associations and national-level candidates that advertise there. Many feel like Zuniga, though most of them are wise enough to know that it's not politically smart to voice these opinions openly. The party's got a huge problem with how much hardcore leftism they've chosen to incorporate into their mainstream. I've no pity for them, only for the country and the people this impacts.

Today's Democrats' worst enemies are informed voters, and those who expose their true beliefs. It's staggering. And the longer they deny this, and attack those who accurately identify their flaws, the deeper their slide into the political wasteland will be.

You know what is even viler than the original comment? The hypocritical, so-obviously-lying apology.

Chomsky's a merc, but he still manages to be a passionate proponent of humanity.

"I tell people don't kill all the liberals. Leave enough so we can have two on every campus—living fossils—so we will never forget what these people stood for."

- Rush Limbaugh, Denver Post, 12-29-95

Those people are so disgusting. I just can't believe that so many people would vote for a political party who's membership consists of people like that.
The Democrats are Anti- American, anti freedom. It will be the death of the country if they ever get elected.

P.S. Site manager.
For some reason, I can't post here on my other service.
Is there a reason? I normally post at Allah's. but haven't tried here till now, and had to switch to another provider to do so.

Being non-American, what amazes , and saddens me, is the extreme level of hatered displayed on Kos` original post, non-apology and comments, towards half the american nation for the crime of holding an opinion different than their own.

#162 Al_Uzza

If you are posting from AOL, it won't work. If it's another problem, just send Charles an e-mail.