Can't wait to see who those scummy advertisers will be.

Looks like the lefties are "Progressing" into the final logical stage of their development. Say it with me now: "F-A-S-H-I-S-M"

#1 logger phd

CAIR, International A.N.S.W.E.R., Nader for President.

Just a guess.

I said it before and I'll say it again: Kos, you ignorant slut; you're not fit to lick the boots of those men who were murdered in Fallujah.

Why not echo Kerry?

You do it in everything else.

You have no idea what "bring it on" can mean.

BFD?

I can't believe shithole didn't throw some whining in there about his First Amendment rights. Maybe he really did get some value out of that J.D.

If ever there was a topic that called for that crying baby wav file, this is it.

At least Charles can honestly say that he's never had an advertisement at LGF cancelled due to anything *genuinely* awful or evil he's said.

I wonder about those two new advertisers he's getting. Now *THAT'S* a fine example of mercenary and opportunism and profiting from the suffering of others.

charles, it's amazing to see your transformation. i read some of your archives, pre 9/11, and i think you are the best example i've seen yet of how 9/11 changed people fundamentally.

there are those who realize the threat we face, like you and most of the people on LGF, and those who either don't recognize the threat for what it is, or do recognize it and would rather pretend they don't and have political power, because the wrong party is leading the fight against this threat. kos, and the left today are an example of this view.

it's heartening that 30,000 people a day are seeing what's going on. i'd encourage everyone who reads this to tell their friends about this site. in order to do what's right, people need to know what's really going on.

Kos is a sick fuck un-American and I'm glad I never heard of him until the last few days. And he is gloating trying to gloss it all over. Where he in essence said he didn't give a shit about the four massacred Americans. Tying to damn them, Kos called them mercenaries just out for a buck.

Reality is these Americans were simply guarding food trucks going into this sin city of Fallujah..

"Bring it on." Hmmm ...

It's a strange equation he's making between those who bravely welcome attacks and advertise their ability to defend themselves and himself, who is welcoming exposure. he didn't apologize to his readers and remove ads because of hate mail; he did so because the mask had slipped for a moment. All he's saying is that he feels (or wants us to feel) that he can get away with a slip or two. His display of relief is like the words of a terrorist who says "Yeah, I blew up some children, but look, the EU still gives our organization money, so Ha!" It's not a measure of defensive ability but a gloating over apathy.

It has actually gotten tot he point that I don't even want to visit these sites anymore. Not so much for the disturbing material --sadly, I'm almost inoculated-- but the desire not to give those asshats any traffic whatsoever.

rop strikes again in spain.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

appeasement seems to be failing.

Jesus Christ, piss off already with the soggy "this is what the left has become" bullshit.

Drum denounced him, Willis denounced him, Kleiman denounced him. Don't you have some funny-looking brown people to make fun of or something?

follow up to #11

In other words, I hope Charles alerts us to those advertisers, because I don't want to help Kos get any more revenues on my account.

#12 Radian

Bummer. Appeasement seemed like such a good idea at the time.

/Zapatero

Kos is finished. Any credibility he might've had outside the DU crowd is totally blown. Anyone who continues to advertise on his site will be tainted.

#10 brett

Do you have any connection to Fox News, perhaps?

Well, we now know that for Kos, "shame" and "decency" are words that exist only to fill space in the dictionary.

#13 Lærtes

Yeah, but who pays his bills? Until they disown The Daily Kuss, the feet should still be to the fire.

#16 packsoldier: All the people who give a rat's ass about your thoughts on credibility will be glad to hear it.

I'm sure one will be along any minute now.

Donk zunignoramus is just one of many losers that came out of their pig pens in the jungle to live off the avails of civilization. He's just another hate monkey scratching at his ass for new ideas!

Troops Wait Eagerly to Reenter Fallouja

On the outskirts of this hostile city Friday night, battalions from the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force set up checkpoints and camps in preparation for their eventual return.

......

Marine officials have insisted that any military strike would be "precise" and "overwhelming."

.....

"Fallouja is a barrier on the highway to progress. We're going to eliminate that barrier without damaging the highway," he said.

#11   logger phd 

I know how you feel, and I think it's good to limit your traffic to places that are essentially no value. I am happy to say that I have almost never visited CNN, MSNBC, or any of the networks except Fox in either web or cable TV form for over a year. I go once in a while to see if they're up to their old tricks, and if so, I don't visit again for another month or so. I have also not bought a NYT or visited their site in about 18 months. I just love seeing the circulation and site traffic numbers for these bastards fall month after month.

#13 Laertes

"Don't you have some funny looking brown people to make fun of or something?"

I don't know, man. Are your brown?

Jesus Christ, piss off already with the soggy "this is what the left has become" bullshit.

Get real. Your sock puppet Kos, spilled his guts by mistake. Revealing his inner lefty essence where he hates Americans serving in Iraq. Thinks it is colonialism or some other leftist brain fart of the day.

Kos only said out loud what most of you lefties think.
Lefties used to be pro freedom but now you stick up for scumbag dictators like Sadam because they are from the 3rd world.

Err, #20? I said outside the DU crowd. I'm sure imbeciles like yourself will continue to swallow his bullshit and love the taste.

Laertes exhibits another charming lefty trait: he tries to put a racist slur in my mouth.

But you wrote it, Laertes. Own it.

OT

Glad the RoP has decided to go soft on Spain.

Shooting, Blast Reported During Madrid Police Sweep

#13   Laertes,

I'll agree with you that Arafat and Kerry are funny-looking, but they're not very brown. You might want to check the settings on your computer screen, fuckwad.

#13 Laertes

Oh right. We should just 'Move On' Gotcha. Move along kids, nothing to see here. Your boy Kos screwed up, but doesn't have the mustard to own up to it. By insisting that we all just forget it and walk away, you're showing yourself to be as big a coward as he is.

#23 brett

Yeah, it has in fact been some while since I read anything on NYT --partly because of dissertation, but because everything I enjoy is elsewhere. I do visit the Post, though (still decent political analysis if you avoid Milbank, and the op-ed pages remain balanced: can't pass up Will, Samuelson, or Krauthammer!) and CNN, well, since the Sports Illustarted site is hosted there at CNNSI.com. . . .

13:

Fuck you.

Your fellow twats seem to follow the same opinion that these guys deserved it.

[Link: www.democraticunderground.com...]

It is a shame what has happened to the democratic party. It is not the same party my grandfather was a member of. If it wasn't for the unions who can't go republican the party would collapse. Time for a new normal people's party.. guns yep, abortion ok, fiscally conservative (balance budgets) so on. you psudo commie ultra left answer types can keep the dnc. better yet go green or something.

BTW I prefer to mock the french...

Oh I'm a rightwingnut
And I'm okay.
I work all night
And I blog all day.

(He's a rightwingnut
And he's okay.
He works all night
And he blogs all day.)

I cut down posts
Read on D.U.
I raze them easily.
On Mondays I go trolling
And have pancakes with my tea.

(He cuts down posts
Read on D.U.
He razes easily.
On Mondays he goes trolling
And has pancakes with his tea.)

Oh I'm a rightwingnut
And I'm okay.
I work all night
And I blog all day.

"Laertes exhibits another charming lefty trait: he tries to put a racist slur in my mouth."

My bad, and I apologize unreservedly.

Y'see, there's this other blog that mostly exists to incite hatred against arabs and muslims, and somehow I confused this blog with that one.

Sloppy of me and once again, I apologize.

"Bring it on", huh? You couldn't handle "Bring it on", you'd be shitting your pants, crying like a god damn achytooth baby with colic, you asshole coward son-of-a-bitch.

Don't worry Markos Zuniga, you will get yours and with dramatic irony, your passing will be between two 'fuel haulers' who just barely stopped in time to avoid 'THEIR' tragic deaths.

Thank god for you and your car between them, they each made it out alive, unfortunately, you were trapped in you vehicle, when explosion and fire consumed you, your car occupants and burned you to death.

The truckers related to the Media that had shown up, god it was just a twit and some guests..."screw them".

I think that was sarcasm, but I'm not sure. Was that sarcasm, "Laertes?"

I think it's more than interesting that even in "spin" mode Kos can't get it right: "Bring it On" isn't Kerry, it's Dubya. (in respones to the call to all foreign fighters to jump into Iraq by AQ)
As to .#13 Laertes - I've been a little too quick lately witht he FOAD's and the GAZE's, but whomever you are, not ENOUGH people can get on the gleeful (and I mean GLEEFUL) posts by Kos and his commentators. You're response, at #13, no doubt thought to be inciteful and funny is so - SO far off base, that, if you're not a troll, you should go check with your doctor about upping your meds.
Dancing around, mutilalting and desecrating those Americans was bad enough. That Kos would say "screw them" and, together with his band of merry men, would say even worse, knowing that the families of these AMERICANS might hear of it, is absolutely nauseating. If you don't agree, then, troll or not:

FOAD!

"Don't you have some funny looking brown people to make fun of or something?"

Don't you have a crazy sister you should be drowning?

#34 Laertes

Yeah that's us; picking on the poor old ROP. Mean ol' lizards, we are. FOAD.

I can't wait to see who his new politcal advertisers are.

Well, I can guess one. LaRouche.

Ah yes, that's our problem with the Islamozoids. Never mind the murder, oppression, and hatemongering that flows from the Islamic world. They have brown skin! I congratulate you on getting to the bottom of this, Laertes. Brilliant, simply brilliant!

Y'see, there's this other blog that mostly exists to incite hatred against arabs and muslims, and somehow I confused this blog with that one.

Us? Moi? Surely you jest. As a matter of fact, there is a great deal of confluence between the views and beliefs of the jihadis and the views and beleifs of most posters here; namely, they want to die, and we want to kill them. See? Peace, love, and harmony all around! As another poster put it; 'I support the rights of terrorists...to die painfully.'

Time for a new normal people's party.. guns yep, abortion oklet the states work it out, fiscally conservative (balance budgets), so on.

Yeah, what we need is a common sense party, with the fiscal responsibility and small government ethic Republicans had before Bush was elected, the social moderation of the center, and the hard-nosed foreign policy of... well, frankly, that neither party exhibits particularly well or consistently.

realwest (#37):

I think it's more than interesting that even in "spin" mode Kos can't get it right: "Bring it On" isn't Kerry, it's Dubya. (in respones to the call to all foreign fighters to jump into Iraq by AQ)

Exactly. Maybe Kerry said "Bring it on" in some other context, but it's Bush's statement that's famous. How the heck could Zuniga have confused the two? Does he have a leaky memory? Did he know know it was wrong when he wrote it? Or was it wishful thinking?

Sorry, but I've got to channel Monty Pyton:

"Asides from the hijackings, religous intolerance, enslavement of non-muslims, bombings, slaughtering of children in their homes, global jihad, attempts at biological, chemical and nuclear terror against civilians, and treating women likes animals, what has Islam really done that is that bad?

"Well, some of them have Brown skin. Not all of them, mind you.

"Shut up, bloody splitter"

Yossarian & realwest

Not to pick nits, but I believe Bush said, "Bring 'em on".
As for the expression "Bring it on", I believe I invented it.

Y'see, there's this other blog that mostly exists to incite hatred against arabs and muslims, and somehow I confused this blog with that one.

Oh shove it. Have you hugged a Jihadi today?

#32 Radian: "It is a shame what has happened to the democratic party. It is not the same party my grandfather was a member of."

Yeah, the Democratic party changed in ths 60s. The party where Strom Thurmond once found a home is no longer what it was. Goddamn shame.

#37 realwest: "That Kos would say "screw them" ...is absolutely nauseating"

Yes it is, and you'll read me saying as much on, say, Eschaton and Drum. I'm not defending Kos here--what he said was inexcusable and he still owes a big apology. I'm taking exception to the stupid attempt to paint the entire left with this brush when any number of lefty bloggers are calling Kos to the carpet despite the sorry company in which they find themselves by so doing.

It'd be like dragging out some stupid death threat or racist crack from a sewer like Freerepublic.com or LGF and saying "This is what the Right has become."

#48 Laertes

Zuniga claims to get 3 million hits per month. Are you saying he's a fringe lefty?

And for a while, I was actually pretty worried.

Would any of the tools who defended his "apology" care to divine the real meaning of that statement?

#48 Laertes

It'd be like dragging out some stupid death threat or racist crack from a sewer like Freerepublic.com or LGF and saying "This is what the Right has become."

Its certainly easy enough to find a disgusting comment on any blog out there. This was a statement from the owner of the BLOG and considered a major point for praise, not some comment from an idle user. Zuniga set himself up as a spokesman for his side, and has supporters, and should reap what he sows, hatred and contempt.

#50 Andrew

Zuniga claims to get only 3 million hits per month. Would you say he represents the entire left?

#43 V the K and for your other posts AND
42 Jaffar abu Grand Vizier and your other posts:

Sonofagun you guys type faster than I think (well, ok, that's supposed to be a compliment, external evidence to the contrary notwithstanding!)!

But especially as to #43 "and the hard-nosed foreign policy of... well, frankly, that neither party exhibits particularly well or consistently. " is absolutely right on!!

I always know that with some "regulars" here (the list is too long and I'd be mortally embarrassed if I left someone off), that the comments are either going to be really "right" or really funny, and most of the times both but you guys, today, really filled it up!!!!

Reading # 13 engraged me so that even for me the typos and mispellings in my #37 are excessive. Thanks for jumping in.
Paladin - uh, actually I had two (maybe three, who counts?! ) little drinks on the way over here from the prior thread, (and on an empty stomach, no less.) Hope I havent' embarrassed myself (more than I usually do) and especially hope I haven't embarrassed Charles or LGF.

V the K

agreed, not to thread jack here but I was talking to my grandfather, who is almost 80. I asked him if it was always like this, he said no. The parties are veering away from each other and getting pretty nasty about it. The injection of religion into the republican party is scary. Abortion and faith based social work are a trip wire and I don't want to argue them. However these issues seem to get very heavy coverage when they are really the least relevant to the job of running a country.

The Dems are just not the party they were twenty years ago. My light switched on when there was no real response to the cole bombing. An act of war since the beginning of modern warfare, the response to this was minimal and did nothing harm thise who attacked a capitol warship of the us navy. The last time somebody did that we sunk the entire spanish navy, just to be sure..We may have been wrong but hey the spanish weren't much of a problem after that.

#48 Laertes

I remember not long ago on Drum's site that there were more than a few of his minions that were in the process of outing a Conservative blogger in an effort to get his tenure denied at his department for the thought crime of being a conservative. Drum looked the other way.

That's when I quit reading Drum. I can find more "hate" on CalPundit any day, unless some leftie troll such as yourself wanders over here.

I am wondering when Muslim became a race. Are Shinto, or Baptist races now? What about Animist, Catholic, Lutheran, etc....

I take it that none of us should ever utter or write the words, muslim or islam in conjunction with terrorist or terrorism. Because that's racism. We all know that even with reading biased reports from all over the world that islam has absolutely nothing to do with the mass murders that are occuring. We are just the haters of brown skinned people. Yeah religion of peace.
Maybe we should start looking at people like Laertes with a different prespective, maybe we're looking at part of the enemy from within. By insisting on talking openly about how islam has produced for 1400 years nothing but death
we are racists.
You are so totally ignorant, how in the hell can you be labeled a racist when there is only one species of upright mammal called man walking around on the crust of this earth? Muslims of what ever ethnic group they orginated from is not nor has it ever been a race. Islam is an ideology that consists of religious precepts as well as government, culture and lifestyle. That is not a race.

Of course, I don't have an ancient Greek name, so maybe I'm way off base. But it seems to me that I've seen all of the lefty bloggers you mention say things just like Zuniga. Zuniga came out and said "Screw them." That's the only difference.

#53 Laertes

I wouldn't say he represents the entire left - but like it or not, he is mainstream. Hell, he claims Glenn Reynolds is leading a 'wingnut tizzy'.
To me, he is one hell of a sloppy blogger, and now he's paying for it.

re #34

That's not sarcasm. This moron can't say sorry without blaming somebody. Sounds familiar?

#17   Paladin

Yes, my thumb is connected to Fox's buttons on my remote! :) I used to be one of those who thought Fox was so unsophisticated. Then I saw an interview on there with a Palestinian politician after a suicide bombing, and they were the only station to really take the ball to the hole and catch him in some lies. From that day they were all I watched. Then through the war, I was convinced: they get it.

#34   Laertes

Baby, three thousand people getting slaughtered in the name of Allah our my window one day was all I needed to hate Islam. Go thank your boy OBL for that.

#59 Charles:

Cool. I didn't know it was ancient Greek. I just cribbed it from Hamlet. You learn something new every day.

Despite the fact that Kleiman, Drum, Willis, etc., have called Kos out on this, it's your position that they don't really mean it and that they're secretly cheering the deaths of their fellow Americans? You a mind-reader or something? They seemed genuine to me.

32 Laertes:

you love that race card don't ya...

I was refering to the main business of the parties. How they run the country, spending, taxing, and foreign policy. Both parties were responsible for racial prejudice through the civil rights era. Many republicans and democrats took polar positions on civil rights.

The democratic party has changed since the end of the cold war, shifting left. My collection of opinions on issues would have me pegged a democrat in 85 but make me a center of the road voter now. neither party or moniker (left - right) fits well. You would probably see that many posters here are not party line voters.

...it's your position that they don't really mean it and that they're secretly cheering the deaths of their fellow Americans?

No, that's not my position. There's nothing secret about it.

Why pay attention to Laertes folks?
We could take a stadium and fill it with his type (Call it LLLooserPaloosa'04). We could then watch AQ/Hamas/Hizbollah hijack a 777 full of environmentalists and crash it into an endzone on MTV live and they'd still not get it!

Zuniga is a well-connected political consultant and a DNC insider. He represents the mainstream left – you can’t spin it any other way – so his commentary must be considered representative of the mindset of Democrat politicians.

By his comments, Kos has proven that the vast bulk of the Democrat party are no longer serious people but rabid, hate-filled ideologues who aren’t fit to run a lemonade stand let alone a Superpower at war.

This thing that hails by KPoS may claim to be American, by right of citizenship, but his words speak quite differently. While he’s gleaning over his new found notoriety, I hope he remembers that tomorrow brings a new day….

This latest diarrhea by Kos is thoroughly predictable that you have to wonder why he bothered to write it.

Of course Kos will not take responsibility for his own words - which he wrote somewhere, sometime ... he can't quite remember what he wrote, in spite of all the trouble he went to hunting it down and deleting all traces of it.

Whenever any leftist is criticized for anything that he says, the issue immediately becomes the fact that he is the target of a hate-filled reactionary campaign (he doesn't even need to use the word McCarthyism, that's permanently implied).

Essentially, Kos knows he is right, no matter what kind of grotesque ignorance he displays, and no matter what kind of hatred he expresses. Kos is always right because anyone who would call him wrong is a hateful right-wing racist, and that's all there is to it.

This kind of thing goes without saying among people who "think" like Kos does. So why does he bother to say anything at all?

He says it because he loves to rub salt in the wounds of the people he angered and insulted. He just can't resist. The Politics of Kos are all about getting those people - in other words, his politics are all about hate, and he will go on to demonstrate this time and time again.

This isn't all that complicated.

Kos may simple be deluded, or he could be a deliberate liar. The same for anyone who endorsed his original remarks.

In any event. a well deserved recipient of the 1,000,000 ass kickings campaign at LGF, opinionjournal and and other blogs acros the net.

Result- Kos's source of web income to further his Mercenary efforts supporting and enabling terrorists was effected.

He says he is replacing them?
Stay the course. Re-dedicate yourself.

- 1,000,000 Thanks
- 1,000,000 Ass Kickings for amy and all varieties of
LLLoons
- Celebrate life:1,000,000 bottles of Italian, American, and Israeli wines on the wall. 1,000, 000 bottles of wine etc

#70 Rev. Churchmouse

Pass it around, already!

Charles: "No, that's not my position. There's nothing secret about it."

Drum: "I wish Kos would just step up to the plate and apologize for saying "Screw them"...I really don't think it matters if they were private contractors in any case. They were burned to death and hung from a bridge. Nor does it matter much that you don't like the war...We all lose our tempers and say dumb things sometimes. I wonder why it's so hard to back down when it happens?"

Kleiman: "Any human being not a partisan of the Ba'athist or Islamist resistance to the American presence in Iraq ought, first of all, to mourn the deaths of four fellow human beings...these men were our fellow-citizens...Indifference to their deaths strains the ties that bind the country together...If Kos prefers an American defeat, then he's entitled to say so, but at the cost of cutting himself off irrevocably from most of his fellow citizens. If he doesn't prefer an American defeat, then he shouldn't be indifferent to having his countrymen slain by the common enemy."

Willis: " admire what Kos has done for Democrats over at the Daily Kos, but his remarks about the civilians killed in Fallujah were way the hell over the line."

Me: Kos was wrong and he'd goddamn well better apologize. Target Kos all you want. If I was one of his advertisers, I'd pull my ad too. But don't try and pretend that his views are representative of the entire left. They're not, they don't represent ME, and they don't represent any number of Lefty bloggers, as demonstrated above.

Kos is out on his own on this one.

What is the cause, Laertes, that thy rebellion looks so giantlike?

Despite the fact that Kleiman, Drum, Willis, etc., have called Kos out on this, it's your position that they don't really mean it and that they're secretly cheering the deaths of their fellow Americans?

I give Oliver Willis and others credit for whatever objections they made. Obviously none of them impressed Kos much though, did they?

Kos is pretty clear on this: What he said wasn't "stupid" because it was cruel or incorrect. Hell no, Kos is convinced he was perfectly right. He was "stupid" only in giving "the wingnuts a big, juicy softball."

Obviously Kos could give a shit for the objections of Willis, et al., who presumably are just another bunch of wingnuts in his book.

What a disingenuous turd you are Laertes! You have much in common with Kos.

Zuniga made it very obviously that he stood by the lynch mob and against the lynching victims, Laertes. The mutilations meant nothing to him, and he sympathized primarlily with the lynch mob and what might happen to them later.

I abandoned the Democrat party myself. I voted for Clinton twice and Gore once, and all it took was hearing my former friends blame "the Jews" for 9-11, and a few antisemitic incidents over 2 years following to convince me that the Left has pretty much re-emerged as the international affiliation of insansity and hatred.

Thank Howard Dean and Kucinich that I'm never going back.

Also-- I'm about as brown as they come, you dumbfuck.

But if that’s the best they can throw at me, I’ll simply echo Kerry.
Bring it on.

...which Kerry stole from Bush.

The democrats own hate and stupidity will be the end of them and good riddance to bad rubish.

48 Laertes
"It'd be like digging out some stupid death threat or racist crack from a sewer like Freerepublic.com or LGF "

You ALMOST had it there buddy boy. My complaint about Kos has been (well, it additon to the total stupidity of his remark) that it was hateful and, especially, disrespectful to the families of those dead Americans. I'm sort of innured to the "If America does something it must be bad" crowd.

But LGF a "sewar"? Really? If you believe that (as opposed to being caught up in a verbal firefight) then why are you here, hmmm? Like a lot of (notice I said a lot, not all) LLL's are you slumming?

Given Kos' self-proclaimed "popularity"; his position as a consultant to the DNC; the comments of his regulars; and his attempts to cover it all up - which wind up, as Charles says, making this all about HIM, how can you defend this person (a pre-emptive apology here to all persons)?

I fear that this episode with Kos will only encourage other Leftists, and more public figures within the Democratic party, to engage in this sort of death gloating.

Kos never apologized, only made excuses for what he said, and his smearing of people who jumped on his original posts as "wingnuts" is meant only to justify his original caulous remarks as right and those who reacted to his words as wrong.

If the "mainstream" democratic left can get away with gloating over the murder of Americans, then this country is in for serious trouble. I really used to think that Kos was much more mainstream than he revealed himself to be. Who else is there on the left that can be taken as a barometer of non-insane, non-DU, non-Kos thinking? I really don't know.

Do they ALL secretly gloat over murder? Hell, forget that it was Americans, that they were contractors, whatever. Forget that they were even KILLED... What matters is the treatment of their dead bodies. Don't they have any human decancy at all anymore? Don't they understand that kicking around and hanging up the charred remains of burnt men is BARBARIC? I really don't think I could do this to my worst enemy. I don't think I could do that even to bin Laden, because I'm afriad of what that would mean for me... Killing an enemy is one thing, but THAT?

Kos made sport of it, he said he felt nothing over it. He made excuses for expressing those feelings, and is now gloating that he's walking away without punishment for saying it. He'll probably be encouraged to speak out more forecefully in the future, and so will others.

I'd love to teach him a leson, personally. But this is a sobering incident. I'm well aware that hundreds of millions of Muslims in the middle east have no problem with such barbaric behavior. Their culture itself is plenty barbaric, so it's no surprise. But people in the West? Living in America?

The left is descending into barbarism, and it's pretty frightening. If millions of leftists think that mutiliating dead bodies is perfectly ok, then I don't know how we can possibly win this war on terror, because of such active sympathy and support for the murder of the political opposition.

But don't try and pretend that his views are representative of the entire left. They're not, they don't represent ME, and they don't represent any number of Lefty bloggers, as demonstrated above.

...and why then did you come here ?

I'm confused.

If the controversy means nothing to Markos Zuniga, why did he remove his original hate-filled post from his blog?

Could it be that Markos is ashamed and embarrassed by his own disgusting behavior?
Could it be that when Markos was confronted with the obvious reality that he is in fact a
poisonous toad, that he cowered and hid from the very pressure he now decrys? not to mention the hideous sight of his own reflection?

Markos Zuniga should re-place his original hate-filled (err) I mean "stupid" comments back on his blog if he wants to re-gain any self-respect. (that's a laugh)

The truth destroys left wingers. Just sit back and watch the self-loathing destruction. It's fun; disgusting, but fun.

re #72,

The reason this episode is surprising and saddening is because everyone on the "right" thought that Kos was different from Democratic Underground. Kos was making a living, and had respectability as a political consultant. And then he goes and makes a comment gloating over murder and mutiliation, and makes excuses for his original post all while hiding it from Google, and now is gloating that he's not really being punished for it.

This is disgusting behavior. We'd expect it from Democratic Underground. But if Kos, Mr. Mainstream Lefty Blogger, can say it, and if commentors on his blog support him now, and if his advertising revenue isn't affected..... Why SHOULDN'T we conclude that the left and the democrats are in favor of the mutiliation of American civilians?

Ok, logger phd,

May I suggest we start a botle of Israeli white wine on it's way around?

healthy, too!

In a related study, Prof. Aviram’s team found that Israeli wines contain a relatively higher content of flavonols, a group of very potent flavonoids, than those found in French wines.

To your health!

"decries"

ugh

Leftists cannot self-correct, because they lack a 'self' in the first place.

Integrity means nothing to them. It's an empty sound.

Honor, dignity, honesty, self respect, loyalty, all things pertaining to the 'self' are complete blank outs to the leftist.

#78 Sydney Carton - really, really good post.

Uh, any chance you'd like to post my thoughts - I just LOSE it sometimes with some topics/commentators on threads and it just seems more important to me to "get out how I feel" than it is to "edit" or "preview". Especially when there are trolls lurking or incredibly long posts.

BTW - did you receive my message from the list serv organization about the Thanks a Million campaign?

#55 Radian

Yeah, the Democratic party of today is not the one I remember from the late 50's, early 60's.

My parents, paternal grandparents and one stout-hearted aunt were all proud Democrats back then. They believed in the working man, in the right of everybody to pursue happiness as they saw fit, and in justice and fair play. They would be horrified at what the Democratic party, and the left, has become today. Most of these relatives were devout Catholics, and despised antisemetism; they'd be sickened by the anti-Christian/antisemetic rantings so many leftists spew today. They loved America, and wouldn't have supported any party that openly called for her destruction, or rejoiced in the death of her fighting men. And they didn't support Communism at all.

(Oh, and Laertes, they didn't support Strom Thurmond, either. They thought guys like him were idiots.)

It seems to me that the Left of today, with its anti-semetism, contempt for western culture and hatred for anyone who disagrees with it is much, much closer to 30's facism than it is to anything "Progressive", or "Enlightened."

#33 LOL! I think this should be LGF's new theme song!

Realwest,

I just checked my mail. Yup I got it. :)

@78 Sydney Carton

That is one of the best posts/responses I've ever read at LGF. Thank You.

Charles.
This one is a keeper, and should be archived with Nekamas Troll Hammer.

Sydney Carton:

But if Kos, Mr. Mainstream Lefty Blogger, can say it, and if commentors on his blog support him now, and if his advertising revenue isn't affected..... Why SHOULDN'T we conclude that the left and the democrats are in favor of the mutiliation of American civilians?

There is another explanation, of course - That they just care more about the money they can raise from Daily Kos than they care about Kos' fascist death-gloating over dead Americans (who after all, are accessories in Bush's "illegal" war).

But Kos can whistle past the graveyard as much as he wants. There are too many people who are not going to let this go. If he doesn't pay for it, some of the Democratic candidates who continue to associate with him will.

#72 Laertes, quoting Kleiman:

Any human being not a partisan of the Ba'athist or Islamist resistance to the American presence in Iraq ought, first of all, to mourn the deaths of four fellow human beings

Well, there ya go. Kleiman gave an out to Leftists everywhere.

I can't tell you how many posts I've seen on IMC written by AINO (Americans In Name Only) supporting the Iraqi resistance.

It was only financial fear that drove Kos to offer his non-apology apology. His opinion obviously came from his deadened heart and it astounded me to witness so many *progressives* agreeing with him. Of course, that was before the firestorm burst forth and now look at them all scurry for denialability and distance. Even going so far as to come trollling here in the hope of finding a face as ugly as the one in the mirror. Pfft. Hypocrites.

78

The left is descending into barbarism, and it's pretty frightening. If millions of leftists think that mutiliating dead bodies is perfectly ok, then I don't know how we can possibly win this war on terror, because of such active sympathy and support for the murder of the political opposition.

Yeah sure, I'm cowering in fear that the left is disintegrating. The same way I did when the empire, excuse me, the soviet empire imploded.

/s

They're a bunch of deluded fools. Now nearly crazy, slobbering, deluded fools.

But fear them? I don't think so.

Ignore them, yes. Dismiss them, yes.

But fear? Not hardly.

#86 TalkinKamel - a really good post.
I remember a poly sci professor once saying (many, MANY years ago) that the Democratic party was the party of the "freedom froms" ) freedome from fear, hunger, foreign oppressors (think FDR) and the Republican party was the party of the "freedom to's" )freedom to start your own business, achieve as much as your ability and work ethic would take you, to worship, or not, the God of your choice).
That both parties have changed significantlly over the years is manifest. That either party, back in the day, would do anything OTHER THAN TO TOTATLLY CONDEMN, WITHOUT RESERVATION OR HESISTATION, what happend in Fallujah was a given. Today, it's nothing more than grist for the hysterical hate Bush party. Your grandparents and mine are no doubt rolling
in their graves.
It's so, so sad.

Laertes Loves Lynching--
as long as they're Americans (preferably white).

Who's the racist here?

I'll say again, Martin Luther King had it right: judge men by the content of their character, not the color of their skin.

Which the Kos crowd refuses to do. Much of their hatred and loathing is race-based, in a "backwards" way. (Though racism is the same shit whichever direction it goes.)

Look at the DEEDS of those horrors: the Fallujah lynch mob blew up the cars of those poor people, who were there to ensure the food supply to those same peckerheads, then dragged them out of the cars and hacked them to bits, hanged their bodies from a bridge, and yelled exultantly for the cameras.

The rightwing racists Laertes and his crowd affect to despise are the same under the skin as he is: the extremes of right and left both agreed that the WTC massacre was "something Americans deserve." IOW, the spectrum should be seen as a clock, with the two ends meeting at 6:00 on the bottom of the dial....

And all this crap the Bandar-log fling at patriots about racism is beside the point, which is that FOUR INNOCENT AMERICANS WERE LYNCHED by OUR DEADLY ENEMIES.

More casualties and the death of a Spanish policeman as a result of extremist Islamism and the death cults.

Policemen. Like the policemen killed on 9-11. Like the Iraqi policemen killed and assassinated in Iraq. Like the British policemen that have been killed.

That's why this can't be responded to as matter for " diplomacy and courts"

The co-ordinated use of a coalition of military forces by democratic countries is the only sane response when the Islamofascism publicly state a categorical rejection of the legitimacy of any other society or culture adopting any legal system that would conflict with their vision for empire and their sick and twisted religious claims.

OT - methinks I'm taking my position as poster boy for the typing, spelling and grammar preview challenged folks a tad too seriously.
*SIGH*
And, in spite of my "humorous" posts before, I haven't had anything (alcoholic) to drink. Now seems like a good time to start.

This bit from Sydney bears repeating:

"..if Kos, Mr. Mainstream Lefty Blogger, can say it, and if commentors on his blog support him now, and if his advertising revenue isn't affected..... Why SHOULDN'T we conclude that the left and the democrats are in favor of the mutiliation of American civilians? "

EXACTLY. And I also believe that the hatred for LGF shown by the left is based primarily on the fact that they know we realize this.

The root unifying belief of the left is hatred of America, which amounts to hatred of Americans. Democrats have gotten suckered into this movement, (which is International) and it's going to mean their demise.

#46 andrew

I thought the same thing.

It was Bush who said "Bring 'em on" and provoked outrage from the Left who saw it as mocking the soldiers who had been attacked.

It was, IMO, an attempt to rally the troops, the job of the Commander in Chief, and more importantly, demonstrated the genius of our strategy in Iraq. To have the terrorists come to Iraq, where our troops are established and set up to fight, rather than having them attacking soft targets in other places, such as the U.S......that has been one of the greatest successes of our mission there.

But the final tally was — about 30 hate-filled emails, about 15,000 hate-filled visitors

The only change being that they aren't written by his supporters (and you can bet the numbers are a lot lower than that).

Let's be honest who really gives a flying **** what he thinks? All he's doing is showing himself up for what he is.

Laertes, you f*ckwit, if Kos is truly sorry, and he isn't afraid of the consequences of what he said - as he claims- then let him repost his original post.

Only a raving, idiot loon would conclude that the left isn't in big, big trouble when a VERY mainstream blogger such as Kos says what he said, hides it, pretends not to be afraid of blowback, and then gloats.

He just summed up what almost universally the left intimates, whispers, means.

And anything that has been said here PALES in comparison.

Even Bigel knows what side to be on...

What about YOU?

Laertes:

Have to point out some issues with your statement of:

"Yeah, the Democratic party changed in ths 60s. The party where Strom Thurmond once found a home is no longer what it was. Goddamn shame."

First off it is the Democrat party, not Democratic. The stupidity of the left is so telling by the fact that they cannot even get their party name correct.

Second item, the "party" he was apart of that is the most reviled was the Dixiecrats - an offshoot of the Democrat party back in 1948.

Third item: your attempt to suggest that Strom Thurmond was forced out of the party and could not "find a home" there is intellectually shallow for two reasons. The two reasons would be the fact that Strom chose to switch parties, not forced to, and that Robert Byrd - a former KKK member - still 'finds a home' in the Democrat party.

I guess in your view someone that ran as an independent fighting for states rights, but painted as someone that supported lynching and segregation, is worse then someone that actually was a member of a group that DID execute lynchings and DID support segregation.

Very twisted world view you have.

I wonder why Kos said he got 15,000 "hate-filled visitors." Maybe he got 15,000 more visitors than normal, but how would he know whether they hated him?

#93 real west

Thanks for your kind words!

You're right. It's so, so, sad, so very sad. . .

Sorry for doing what I have criticized in others, but I have a free moment on labor and delivery and am going to post without reading all the comments, or even the link. Because, Charles, you hit the nail on the head: everything is about Markos Zuniga, 24/7, even his wife's pregnancy. Many months ago, I stumbled upon his second weblog, which chronicles the nine months, and I was struck by how self-centered he was even then, and how just by being a bystander, he considered himself a great authority.

What a pitiful little "man" (I use the term loosely, here) he is.

Hi everyone!

Our friend Kathryn Cramer from the other day- is now implying that Michael Teague, one of those killed in Fallujah, may have been a white supremacist. She is pretending to hope that this is not the case.

Why is the left so goddamn determined to slur those dead Americans??

What the hell is wrong with these people?

#102 Joshua

I visited his site and yes, I unreservedly say I hate him. May he have a long life and spend his days in a place where all his idealism becomes true.

97

Democrats have gotten suckered into this movement, (which is International) and it's going to mean their demise.

Yeah sure, they're just happless dupes. Just a bunch of idealistic kids (50 year olds) who got tricked.

Yeah and Jane Fonda was just a tourist to N Vnam.

What a crock.

Kos (Zuniga) and his retinue of atavistic goblins are appeasers and retreaters. They deny that we must fight a war against an Islamic theology that would have us all dead or slaves. The Jihadists brought the war to us. We did not seek it. 9/11 ended the appeasement policies of Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, and Carter.

The battle has been joined. We seek to reform this theology from the Dark Ages, not annihlate it. The Reformation has begun by the numbers. A few of those numbers are 10th Mountain, 82nd and 101st Airborne, and 4th ID. In Iraq, they met the Martin of 1st MEF and the Luther of the 3rd ID. Faint ripples of Enlightenment are starting to penetrate Jihad's black shroud of hate. Libya is coming clean. Iraqis have a chance to build their own lives and country. The extent of Pakistan's nuclear ambitions lie exposed.

Yet Kos and his atavistic goblins would block all this. They would retreat to the policies of appeasment. They are proud of their stand and openly relish the death and defeat of America and Americans.

I pray that some time in the near future, the Democratic Party will undergo a Saul like revelation and know that this is a climactic and desperate struggle. We can all then welcome Democrats back like "Casablanca's" Victor Laszlo congratulating Rick, "Welcome back to the fight. This time I know our side will win." United, we cannot fail. If we must also fight the core 33 per cent of Democrats that hate America, the outcome is uncertain.

What I fear will happen is that Democrats will continue to advance and support the Islamic cause with their own lust for power, armored in deluded righteousness. Their end will be like that of Lt. Col. Nicholson in "The Bridge on the River Kwai." Only in the last seconds of their lives will they recognize that they have supported great evil. That is for those who are not already slaves of Allah.

f#108 Billy Hank

What I fear will happen is that Democrats will continue to advance and support the Islamic cause with their own lust for power, armored in deluded righteousness. Their end will be like that of Lt. Col. Nicholson in "The Bridge on the River Kwai." Only in the last seconds of their lives will they recognize that they have supported great evil. That is for those who are not already slaves of Allah.

I don't know about all Dems, but that is a perfect analogy for Kos and his branch of the party. Thanks for sharing!

lazytart (#105)

How demented is that woman!?

OT

Hitchens on Lessons of Falujah
Remarkable clarity, comprehension, and context of the absolute neccessity of military intevention in Iraq.

Hitchens is both left-wing and an atheist. How embarrassing for us clergy that he figured it out better and makes the case without need to argue about God.

Lessons of Falujah

Kos needn't worry about the likes of us.

He needs to worry about what will happen when the children of the men whose deaths he ridiculed grow up.

I pray that some time in the near future, the Democratic Party will undergo a Saul like revelation and know that this is a climactic and desperate struggle.

That was a good prayer. Let's add America's Church leadership and se if we can get some Amens.

Amen.

Amen, from this Episcopalian who has seen his national leadership run too far left for too many years.

Kos? Kos? Who is this Kos character? Is he anyone important? No?

Then let's just move along. Nothing to see here.

It'd be like dragging out some stupid death threat or racist crack from a sewer like Freerepublic.com or LGF and saying "This is what the Right has become."

So in other words, business as usual? Back to the matter at hand:

Not only is Zuniga a reprehensible fuckwit, he is a weasel beyond comparison. Note the 15,000 "hate filled visitors".

Since his site requires registration to comment, and a 24 hour waiting period, I doubt 15,000 people bothered to leave him any "hate-filled" comments. If 15,000 did, then there were probably another 100,000 that didn't. So, I'm guessing he's not judging those 15,000 as "hate filled" by comments left. I'm guessing that he got a 15,000 hit spike.

If so, that means that anyone who decided to amble on over to The Daily POS to see if he actually could have been that stupid and vile is automatically "hate-filled" on Zuniga's scorecard. Spin? Wishful thinking? You be the judge.

But if that’s the best they can throw at me, I’ll simply echo Kerry.

Is that the worst of it, Pos? I'm sure you're going to find out. Aside from the efforts organized by Michael Friedman, the condemnation of so many other bloggers, the advertisers that have pulled out already and those yet to come, and the death of any political aspirations Zuniga might have had, I'm sure there's more to come. BTW, according to Friedman, it's now 3 lost ads over a comment that is just now 48 hours old. Methinks that the train is just leaving the station.

This looks like just the sort of thing Bill O'Reilly likes to sink his teeth into. I'm going to email him, and I'd recommend that those of you reading this do the same. I'd also giggle like a schoolgirl to hear Kerry's views on one of his more prominent supporters spewing such bile against Americans who died horribly in the service of their country. I expect that, given his own history, he'll flip-flop more than an Arafish out of terror water. The more press this gets, the better the odds of Kerry being asked to comment.

If you're going to write O'Reilly, emphasize Zuniga's DNC connections and the Armstrong Zuniga political consulting firm.

oreilly@foxnews.com

UNLEASH THE HOUNDS!

BTW, the link to the original post is back up. Kinda like Martha changing her call logs back after trying to bury the dirt. Also, I note without knowing whether to laugh, cry or vomit that Zuniga was born on 9/11/71.

Some people just don't know when to STFU.

BTW, Charles, I'd suggest that the next thread referring to this ambulatory pile of fecal matter be titled "Zuniga hits bottom, digs"

It can't be said often enough. Thanks for all that you do.

Charles, the reason Kos is thus, and gets away with it, is simple: Leftism is Fascism.

--Kato The Eldar

#116

Amen to all that too.

How about enlisting Andrew Sullivan in the 1.000,000 AssKickings Campaign? If he could get involved in some good righteous ass kicking on the lack of full condmenation of Kos in his official connections to the Democratic Party it might help rejuvenate him. He's been getting a litle wobbly of late.

This asshole should be deported to his native country of El Salvador. I have several Salvadoranian friends and he is an insult to them all. What a piece of trash!

Send the KOS stuff to everyone.

I send stuff to Hannity and Rush.
The guys with large audiences.

The other day I e-mailed Rush the link to the "Pin the Tail on the donkey" footage over at Brain-terminal.
I was surprised when Roger fill-in mentioned it on his show. wow. cool. (keep in mind I'm not taking credit - but you never know)

I agree with powderfinger. Let's all help push this story out into the mainstream press. See what they do with it?
I'm sure Katie Curic will get to the bottom on it.
(pfft)

#116 -- O'Reilly, nothing. Somebody should suggest to Friedman that he take his data to Rush Limbaugh. When properly motivated to do a 'caller campaign', Rush's listener base has repeatedly proven itself able to melt down the Capital phone switchboard -- may God help any lesser target that they are aimed at.

#122 -- ah, beat me to it. :)

At that part in the service tomorrow when they say "Are their any announcements" --a concise summary of any of the WSJ articles referenced here. For Unitarians, I would recommend going with Hitchens.

For the realy brave, courageous and bold:

Consider adding "those who kick ass on behalf of the defenseless and oppressed" to the Prayers of the People

In all seriousness, the 1,000,000 Thanks Campaign should certainly be mentioned.

If you belong to a Church where that wouldn't be considered appropriate, then flee from it-- your soul is in danger.

Hey, Rush, Hannity and Colmes, Laura Ingrham, anybody and everybody. Let's bring the heat.

Here's my email to O'Reilly. Sorry to post something so long, but it's for a good cause. As Levon Helm sang so well, take what you need and leave the rest.

Dear Mr. O'Reilly,

As a longtime viewer, and one who is in awe of your ability to shine light into the dark acts of American public figures, I'm compelled to bring this to your attention.

As I'm sure you know, 4 brave Americans died horribly in Fallujah, Iraq last Wednesday.

Following that tragedy, and the publication of the gruesome photos of it, Markos Zuniga, a prominent Democratic activist summed up this feelings on the matter with this gem on his popular weblog "The Daily Kos":

"Let the people see what war is like. This isn’t an Xbox game. There are real repercussions to Bush’s folly.
That said, I feel nothing over the death of mercenaries. They aren’t in Iraq because of orders, or because they are there trying to help the people make Iraq a better place. They are there to wage war for profit. Screw them."

His comment can be found here, at least for the moment.

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

When his comments found their way around the internet, he removed the page from public view and apparently from Google's cache. After being called on his cowardly attempt to hide his repulsive remarks, he reinstated the page containing them.

The story does not end here. After hearing the outrage of thousands, Zuniga offered this non-apology:

"My language was harsh, and, in reality, not true. Fact is, I did feel something. That's why I was so angry.
I was angry that five soldiers -- the real heroes in my mind -- were killed the same day and got far lower billing in the newscasts. I was angry that 51 American soldiers paid the ultimate price for Bush's folly in Iraq in March alone. I was angry that these mercenaries make more in a day than our brave men and women in uniform make in an entire month. I was angry that the US is funding private armies, paying them $30,000 per soldier, per month, while the Bush administration tries to cut our soldiers' hazard pay. I was angry that these mercenaries would leave their wives and children behind to enter a war zone on their own violition. [sic]
So I struck back."

These comments can be found here: [Link: www.dailykos.com...]

As if that weren't enough of an insult to these brave men and the families who loved them, Zuniga has now taken to gloating that the backlash doesn't bother him at all:
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

"So I said something pretty stupid last week. I served up the wingnuts a big, juicy softball. They went into a tizzy, led by Instapundit.
And for a while, I was actually pretty worried.
But the final tally was -- about 30 hate-filled emails, about 15,000 hate-filled visitors, and the pulling of three advertising spots that are going to be replaced in less than a week. (I had two emails today about people wanting to advertise despite the controversy.)
That was it. Oh, they're doing their best to turn me into the devil, and they're making racist comments about my heritage and family and threatening to kick my ass -- you know, typical right-wing shit.
But if that's the best they can throw at me, I'll simply echo Kerry.
Bring it on."

Mr. O'Reilly, if these were simply the rumblings of one of a thousand bloggers, or one of a million extreme leftists, I would not waste my time or yours in bringing this to your attention. However, Mr. Zuniga has quite a resume.

His weblog is ranked as one of the top 3 political blogs, with a daily readership of approximately 100,000.

He was largely responsible for Howard Dean's internet campaign strategy.

He is a co-founder and co-owner of Armstrong Zuniga, a political consulting firm. [Link: www.armstrongzuniga.com...]

He has been mentioned on air as a possible replacement for Joshua Micah Marshall on Hugh Hewitt's nationally syndicated radio show.

The following links might be helpful in researching this matter.

[Link: michael-friedman.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: www.newdem.org...]

By all appearances, he has political aspirations and I feel that any future Zuniga campaign should find him explaining to potential voters his vile, callous remarks regarding the brutal murder and mutilation of 4 brave Americans who answered their country's call to service. I sincerely hope that you share my feeling, and that you might devote a bit of airtime to shining the light of day on this cockroach.

Thank you for your consideration.

As for whether Kos represents the left:

Bottom line: like it or not, Kos is a spokesman for the left these days, and this kind of stuff doesn't help us. His advertisers are pulling out because of course they can't be associated with statements like this. It's a vote killer. And the end result will probably be a million bucks worth of fund raising for conservative causes. Not exactly what we need right now.

Kevin Drum

This is why they are worried and backing away; not because it's wrong, but because it will cost them in the election.

#73 Wishard: "What is the cause, Laertes, that thy rebellion looks so giantlike?"

Yeah, I get that a lot.

"I give Oliver Willis and others credit for whatever objections they made. Obviously none of them impressed Kos much though, did they?"

Alas, they didn't. However, I'm not here to defend Kos. He fucked up and he gets what he gets. The only argument I'm offering here is that it's unfair to tar the entire left with the same brush. (Well, I'm also tossing in the occasional accusation that Mr. Johnson runs a website devoted to fomenting hatred against arabs and muslims.)

#75 Killraven: "Zuniga made it very obviously that he stood by the lynch mob and against the lynching victims, Laertes."

Irrelevant. Not here to defend Kos. See above.

#77 realwest: "Given Kos' self-proclaimed "popularity"; his position as a consultant to the DNC; the comments of his regulars; and his attempts to cover it all up - which wind up, as Charles says, making this all about HIM, how can you defend this person (a pre-emptive apology here to all persons)?"

Jeebus, again with the defending Kos. The poor reading comprehension skills around here are appalling. Do you guys just stop thinking once you identify an "enemy"?

#79 Sean: "...and why then did you come here ?"

I came looking for a fight. I don't imagine you'd understand this, since you're the sort of circle-jerk fan who prefers the company of people who agree with you, but when I've got an opinion, I try and take it to a hostile room. Weird, huh?

#80 Free Speech etc: "I'm confused."

I bet.

"If the controversy means nothing to Markos Zuniga, why did he remove his original hate-filled post from his blog?"

He didn't.

Wasn't that easy?

#81 Sydney Carton: "This is disgusting behavior. We'd expect it from Democratic Underground. But if Kos, Mr. Mainstream Lefty Blogger, can say it, and if commentors on his blog support him now"

Yeah, there's a surprise. A blog owner goes off the deep end, but many commenters support him anyway. Good thing we never see that around HERE.

"and if his advertising revenue isn't affected..."

Have you been paying attention at all?

"Why SHOULDN'T we conclude that the left and the democrats are in favor of the mutiliation of American civilians?"

Because...aw, hell. You know what? You're going to conclude whatever it is you'd like to believe anyway (just like the President) so go nuts. We won't stop you.

#94 bev: "IOW, the spectrum should be seen as a clock, with the two ends meeting at 6:00 on the bottom of the dial...."

Remarkably astute.

At both ends of the spectrum you have people who regularly engorge themselves on a diet of hate. They construct propaganda showing their enemies only at their worst, and surround themselves with like-minded hate junkies so that their rage grows until nothing else remains. They find ideological and religious divides across which to hate and fear, and they cheer the deaths of those on the other side.

And those who don't share their singleminded obsession with hate are viewed as enemies.

Bottom of the dial indeed.

#127 Laertes

I just have two brief questions.

1. How often do you really read LGF?
2. Do you consider yourself as a moderate?

#127
You deny then, that Markos removed his disgusting post after he felt a little sting?

Fact – Mr. Zuniga had it removed and your feeble attempts at cover are as lame as your ideology.
He removed it from his sight AND the goggle search engine.

Putting it back up doesn’t change the fact that he tried to cowardly cover his own pathetic vile and disgusting brain-dead comments. He put it back. Fact. so what? The removal of it in the first place speaks volumes. So I think that would make you a liar.

In any case, Zuniga said to "bring it on" - so that's what we are doing.
We are bringing it on. Are you scared little pussies?
You should be. Not of us, but of yourselves. So, just keep in being your-Wellstone memorial brown shirted selves. The rest is easy.

Assholes.

#127
construct propaganda ?
No one is constructing propaganda. You LLLs speak your minds openly, and the rest is history.

The minute you feel a little pain - suddenly your breathtakingly lame illogical excuses come screaming down the tracks.

"construct propaganda"

Sure.

Just keep talking.

#128 J.D.

1. Not often. I used to be a regular, but the savagery got to be too much. I'm well to the right of the mainstream with my "fuck the Palestinians" attitude, but I started getting creeped out pretty bad. Now I just come back when I want to get mobbed.

2. Mostly, yes. To anyone who just snorted, consider how much you REALLY know about my views. About all you know is that I object to having Kos' statements hung around my neck just because I don't listen to Limbaugh.

The only argument I'm offering here is that it's unfair to tar the entire left with the same brush.

Well then, if that's your only argument, this is simple.

Anyone here who has tarred the entire left with the same brush has evidently not read the fine article in the WSJ by Christopher Hitchens.
They should repent, read the article, and send it to every right-oriented organization they know. As a sign of their penance they should also send it to every left-oriented organization they know.

Anyone who considers themself as being on the left, is aware of the statements made by Kos and who has not condemned him, repent and contact any and all left-oriented organizations that you belong to and implore them urgently to publicly condemn his statements and dissasociate themselves and their organizations from him. As a sign of your penance, contact any right oriented organization you know and thank them for showing you the light.

I'm consistently amazed by the people who call LGF a racial/religious hate site. I find it to be a truth site. It is, however, clear-eyed and realistic about the enemy we face. Through LGF I have read translations of what the Imams and Ayatollahs say and think. The racial and religious hate comes from their mouths. Through the eyes of Charles and others here, I have seen the fruit of Jihadists' actions from around the world. The charred and maimed bodies from a Moscow apartment building, a Tel Aviv bus, or a Madrid metro are images of their making, not ours.

If this is a hate site it is only because its subject, the Jihadists of Islam who mount an international assault on all who do not submit, is so filled with hate and rage and death as to be almost incomprehensible to the Western mind. Prior to 9/11 I had a sympathetic view of Moslems, principally from reading Sufi stories and poetry. I have since learned that the gentle Sufi tradition of wit and wisdom is despised by both Sunni and Shia.

I think on my first visit here I saw a clip of a kneeling, burqa-clad Afghani woman turn her head to black turbaned Taliban in the dusty arena of a soccer stadium seconds before he blew her brains out. The shock of seeing that was almost as great as the WTC. I knew then that those who follow this creed of tyranny and death must be fought with every fiber of our being. Does showing the images and reporting the words and actions of those who hate make this a hate site? To Laertes, evidently, it does.

Charles has bravely continued to expose a view of the Moslem world that is hidden behind veils of PC, multi-culti fiction and fairy tales. These people are incomprehensibly evil. When I see Kos and his goblins celebrate the death of Americans trying to help Iraqis move their lives forward one millenium from the Eleventh to the Twenty First Century, I can only brand them collaborators in every bombing and sniper attack worldwide. Kos, I think, would help the Jihadists destroy America if it would defeat George Bush.

I have seen over the past 2.5 years many people come to this site and throw the "racist" grenade as the supreme insult in their PC arsenal. More than a few have stayed and become educated. Their intellectual Teletubby flabbiness has melted away as they come to understand the clear and present danger the Jihadists pose to our way of life. Until the Democrats accept and share the mission of an Islamic Enlightenment, Bush is the only game in town. I would not trust this country to the likes of Kos and Kerry.

#133 Billy Hank

Perfectly said. Peace be upon you.

Awwww, poor Laertes. He doesn't like being tarred with the same brush as Zuniga!

You know what, Laertes? Tough shit. You, and the left in general, is going to be tarred with that brush. It's what you assholes love to do with the right--they're all Hitler, they're all David Duke, blah fuckin' blah. And why does the left do this? Because it's effective. When that prick, Trent Lott, makes an offensive comment that is disavowed by most Republicans, most Republicans still take the heat for that, thanks to the Democrats. Now it's your turn. And, like when you do it to Republicans, it's going to work.

Suffer.

blah fuckin' blah

Yeah. You got that right. I had to leave that other thread too.

So it's martyrdom and blog ads that Kos values...

Who's the mercenary?

I love irony.

To anyone who just snorted, consider how much you REALLY know about my views.

Yeah, we discuss it for hours on end. Get over yourself already.

About all you know is that I object to having Kos' statements hung around my neck just because I don't listen to Limbaugh.

I don't listen to Limbaugh either. I must be a moderate!

In every society, zulubaby, there are people like you. Angry, stupid, and full of hate.

And when it comes time for commissars, secret policemen, suicide terrorists, or just savages to join mobs and desecrate corpses, these people heed the call.

Don't like what you've been reading in this thead, do ya?

Too fuckin' bad.

The following article about KOS says that he lives in Berkeley, not San Francisco. So he is only about 5 miles away from me right now. I should challenge him to a debate at Cal Berkeley:

[Link: sfgate.com...]

Moulitsas sits at the keyboard of his iMac surrounded by pictures of his Salvadoran-Greek family and his wife's Cuban-Puerto Rican family, as well as memorabilia of their trips to Latin America. He often types with his 2-month- old son, Aristotle, strapped to his chest, and you can read about his family and the trials of fatherhood on a separate blog.

If you go to link I just gave for the SF Chronicle article, you will find a photograph of KOS (Zuringa). Notice his diminutive physical stature and anxious look. The guy clearly has a complex against "the strong white American male" and is seemingly on a crusade to get us. If this is true, that he has a physical inferiority complex, then no wonder he's on the other side.

When are we going to learn that aiding and abetting the enemy includes written support like this Lord Haw Haw?

That was it. Oh, they’re doing their best to turn me into the devil, and they’re making racist comments about my heritage and family and threatening to kick my ass — you know, typical right-wing shit.

What race is Kos? Anti-American?

---It’s all about Markos Zuniga and his brave stand against the “wingnuts.” In the 21st century, this is what the left has become.---

You are assigning a motive to Kos for spilling his unabashed opinion. Problem is, you are making assumptions based on your own ideological filter.
In most circles, that's called ignorant prejudice.

And I can see you've made it YOUR big headline, Little Green Footballs.
Is your blog popularity thriving on the very thing about which you complain? In the 21st century, is LGF a relevant blog because you play directly into the hate-based disunity of citizens and all the hype that goes along with it?

What does that say about you, really?

I defend Kos' right to say what he said. He revealed some raw human passion which he later felt he needed to explain. He's offered reconciling words. I think he's explained himself quite well and your continued hyperbole about your so-called disgust just might betray you as a poser.

The difference between your grandstanding and Kos' passionate statement is clear. Kos is candid and genuine. YOU HAVE AN AGENDA---and it's not pretty.

Just look at some of you...reduced to whiny complaints about the way Kos looks and where he lives...gossiping about his ethnicity...and we know what the child-strapped to the chest-image is supposed to mean.

Sickening stuff, people.

Undignified.

Kos: "Screw those dead Americans and their charred, beated bodies hung from a bridge." -- appropriate feelings

LGF: "Kos has the right to say what he wants, but ideas have consequences" - whininess.

Yep, clear to me.

btw, the daily kos' website is empty of all but a short HTML page with no content. I truly am not suspicious, but it's an unfortunate time for his server to go down.

btw, Kos' "reconciling words" sounds pretty weaselly.

He should have done the right thing: "In the heat of the moment, I said something I felt before I thought about it. I was wrong, and I apologize, especially to families of those Americans who were simply doing their duty much as cops on the street do their duty. While I cherish the right of dissent in America, I stand for America and her service men and women. The beating, charring, and sickening display of those burnt bodies on that bridge in Fallujah disgusts me, and I stand behind the attempts to bring the perpetrators of this act to justice."

Yeah, but that would take a little bit of -- well, humility.

This was Kos' "Dean Scream."

Also would have been nice to add "YEARGGGGGGGGGGGH!"

For completeness, I mean.

**sound of applause*

Thank you for your "If-I-Were-Kos" appeasement speech. We all know there's only one right way to apologize---yours.

Jude (#144)

You start your post with:

You are assigning a motive to Kos for spilling his unabashed opinion. Problem is, you are making assumptions based on your own ideological filter.

What you don't seem to realize is that

The difference between your grandstanding and Kos' passionate statement is clear. Kos is candid and genuine. YOU HAVE AN AGENDA---and it's not pretty.

illustrates that in fact you're the one with the filter and, it seems, an agenda. Where Kos is "passionate", "candid", and "genuine", everyone else has an agenda? Nice try, excellent attempt at tying things up in a neat little bow for yourself. Unfortunately you're way off mark and that you're here to defend what Kos said is as disgusting as the comment itself.

...and we know what the child-strapped to the chest-image is supposed to mean.

No idea actually but I'm sure you have a few conspiracy theories that you'd like to share. We're not children who need to be told how to behave by you or anyone else. Kos wrote those words, let him own them and suffer whatever consequences he may have to bear because of them. I'd like him to say those words to the families of the men who were savaged, let's see how brave Kos is then. How disgusting are you that you are trying to turn this around to make LGF the villain here. Kos did this to himself. Are you doing a [Link: www...] wagging your finger at everyone who was nauseated by Kos' comments? You say you defend Kos' right to free speech. Has anyone taken away that right? He has free speech, he used it, and now he owns those words. A simple apology would have gone a long way but instead he had to make it everybody else's fault. Talk about whiny!

Sickening stuff, people.

Undignified.

Coming from someone who sees "screw them" as "passionate", you'll understand if I don't agree with your definition of undignified.

well, of course my apology is better - because it is an apology, not a "I am a victim!" speech.

What do they feed you at Evergreen State College that turns your mind to such mush?

Great Jumpin' Jehoshaphat! I responded to a troll!

I must be over-caffeinated due to the switch to PDT.

#139 Laertes:

In every society, zulubaby, there are people like you. Angry, stupid, and full of hate.

And when it comes time for commissars, secret policemen, suicide terrorists, or just savages to join mobs and desecrate corpses, these people heed the call.

Sorry man, but although I have yet to meet her (I'd like to change that! ;-D ), I can say without reserve that zulubaby would never stoop to such barbarism.

P.S. to #153

Perhaps it need not be said, but she ain't any of those other things either!

LOL, I didn't even see Laertes' post but thanks for the love, logger phd.

Laertes, don't be such a pill.

#155 Zulubaby

Did you ever look at Laertes' name? Looking at it bakcward, Rael stands out.

It might be coincidence, but could he perhaps be Rael ?

A zissen Pesach...the cooking starts now!

Uh, make that 'backward'. I will blame it all on the change to DST! :)

Zulubaby,

Face it. We all have filters. And then we react according to them. I am a rational liberal. Truth and reason are paramount to my personal philosophy. I don't let untruths go by because they tend to snowball into unstoppable living lies. You've dealt me a few untruths I wish to point out.

First, I have no idea what you mean by "taking a neat little bow" for myself. You don't know me/I don't know you. Until you know me, I don't think it's fair for you to judge why I post what I choose to post.

Unless this LGF blog sees Kos as peachy-keen for what happened, then they clearly have an agenda that is important to them (for whatever reason). The very appearance of blog entry after blog update entry about the situation will show a preoccupation with it..I don't have to make up some conspiracy theory about it. It is what it is...simply. The issue is important to LGF, plainly.

When you say I'm "here to defend what Kos said" and that it is "as disgusting as the comment itself", I'll remind you that I did not defend his choice of words, only his right to say them. I also pointed out that he offered reconciliation and by the way, it doesn't seem to have mattered to people here one bit. The schadenfraude on this blog is so thick you could cut it with a chainsaw.

You said you're "not children who need to be told how to behave by you or anyone else". I am not so removed from reality that I would think there was a remote possibility you would take advice even if I offered it. No one called you a child. You are projecting.

Of course Kos must accept the consequences of anything he says. We're all accountable for our actions.
Yet, I see no constructive criticism here. Sorry, I just don't. Show me something constructive.

You said "How disgusting are you that you are trying to turn this around to make LGF the villain here". No one accused LGF of "villainy". Those are your words...never mine. Got that? Good. I think this blog is mostly very interesting. VERY interesting.

You asked: " Are you doing a [Link: www...] wagging your finger at everyone who was nauseated by Kos' comments?"
No. Why? Why do you fancy the thought? Is it important to you in some way?

You said "A simple apology would have gone a long way." And Kos made that apology. You just didn't like what he said when he "simply apologized". Apology, in and of itself, is a very powerful thing.

You said: "Coming from someone who sees "screw them" as "passionate", you'll understand if I don't agree with your definition of undignified."

I don't see that's it's outside the realm of rationality to trust that those words were used in a moment of passion. Why do you doubt it?

By the way, you don't know me and you've made a lot of assumptions and little snipes about what you imagine my character to be. That's unfortunate. I happen to be linked to collegial conservative bloggers and veterans and have taken lots of time to create an Honor Roll blog for our troops lost in Iraq. You should know folks before
judging on an individual basis. It's not good form.

I'll be around if you want to talk about the issue some more.

This is mostly schadenfraude and I will go out on a limb and assume you hope Kos is irreversibly damaged by this.

Tell me if I'm wrong. Please.

Jude (#158)

Until you know me, I don't think it's fair for you to judge why I post what I choose to post.

I read your blog. You asked Charles to delete what was offensive to you and he did. You then went on to complain about it, accusing him of "doctoring" which he did in that one comment at your request, and then accuse him of hypocrisy! Do you understand why you're not making sense?

Unless this LGF blog sees Kos as peachy-keen for what happened, then they clearly have an agenda that is important to them (for whatever reason). The very appearance of blog entry after blog update entry about the situation will show a preoccupation with it..I don't have to make up some conspiracy theory about it. It is what it is...simply. The issue is important to LGF, plainly.

I think that when you wrote this:

Face it. We all have filters.

you were closer to the truth.

When you say I'm "here to defend what Kos said" and that it is "as disgusting as the comment itself", I'll remind you that I did not defend his choice of words, only his right to say them.

Where has anybody expressed any interest in removing those rights from Kos? Quite frankly, I don't know how anybody with an ounce of decency can make those statements, or defend them, but never did it cross my mind that he should be silenced.

I also pointed out that he offered reconciliation and by the way, it doesn't seem to have mattered to people here one bit. The schadenfraude on this blog is so thick you could cut it with a chainsaw.

What reconciliation? That was a non-apology and, in my opinion, has only made matters worse. Earlier I made the following comments:

Kos is a fool. All he needed to do was apologize and I assure you this whole thing would have blown over and been forgotten about. Instead he made things worse for himself with that whiny non-apology that he issued.

And:

I'm a huge advocate of personal responsibility but also strongly believe that everybody deserves the benefit of the doubt. We're human, we make mistakes, we do and say things that we regret ... it happens. But his non-apology and his attempt to somehow make out that the "wingnuts" were out of line was simply disgusting. His "screw them" comment haunted me for two days. I couldn't believe that somebody could watch men being burnt and ripped apart and hung from bridges and react to that with such coldness. A sincere apology would have made him human. He chose instead to remove all doubt about what an asshole he is. I have no respect for him whatsoever.

I guess those are the "filters" again. You say he "offered reconciliation" and I'm calling bullshit on that one.

I am not so removed from reality that I would think there was a remote possibility you would take advice even if I offered it. No one called you a child. You are projecting.

Advice? You've been hostile from your first comment. Admit at least that much.

I don't see that's it's outside the realm of rationality to trust that those words were used in a moment of passion. Why do you doubt it?

I've explained why and I disagree that it was an apology. In my opinion it was a petulant sulk, it's become everyone's fault but his own. Those are his words and he should own them.

This is mostly schadenfraude and I will go out on a limb and assume you hope Kos is irreversibly damaged by this.

You're dead wrong about that. I couldn't care less if I tried. I don't even see this as a left or right issue, I see this as a man who made a vile comment who had an opportunity to redeem himself and instead chose to confirm that he is cold and callous.

Zulu,

You are a tender soul, it seems. I assure you I harbor no hostility toward you or anyone here. If you are uncomfortable with someone talking straight to you, there probably is little I can say to convince you otherwise.

Re: ---"You asked Charles to delete what was offensive to you and he did. You then went on to complain about it, accusing him of "doctoring" which he did in that one comment at your request, and then accuse him of hypocrisy! Do you understand why you're not making sense?"----

What on God's sweet earth are you talking about, Zulubaby?
I think you completely have the wrong person. At no time have I asked anyone to delete anything nor did I accuse anyone of hypocrisy.

OMG, I do have you mixed up with someone else. LOL. I'm so sorry! I should have known better -- I have a terrible headache and I took my "strong pills" as I call them, which are from South Africa but are so potent that they would only be by prescription here in the US. They make me very spacey. Please accept my apology.

no problem, Zulu.

I respect your opinion on the situation and I suppose all I wanted was a chance to voice my own without being considered a troll (as steve miller so rudely called me today).

If we don't start talking to one another honestly and with respect, we'll never come to any understanding about one another.

I've meant you no disrespect through this.

I'd love to actually settle with soem of you and square off on meaningful issues sometime soon.

Take care,
Jude

Thanks for being gracious about it, Jude, and again, I'm sorry about the mix-up.

I'd love to actually settle with soem of you and square off on meaningful issues sometime soon.

By all means, I'm more than willing to hear what you have to say. You seem like a sincere person (unlike the person I thought I was responding to :-)

Be well, see you soon.

#54 --- Thank you, realwest. Didn't know whether to expect an amen or a smackdown when I posted 43.

I guess it comes down this: The reason only half the people in this country vote is because they don't see either political party representing their own common sense values. Political parties are run primarily by and for the benefit of special interests and policy wonks. Special interests get so wrapped up in their causes (abortion (either side), education, corporate welfare) that they have lost perspective; to them whatever issue they obsess over should be THE issue that everyone obsesses over, and anyone who suggests something else might be as or more important must be burned as a heretic. And the hyper-political types who run and staff the parties are ... well, I mean, you've seen the movie 'Election'... Reese Witherspoon's character ... socially dysfunctional power creeps.

All comes back to PJ O'Rourke. "Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenaged boys."

You didn’t say something “stupid,” Zuniga. You said something petty, disgusting, and hateful...

Didn't LGF readers choose a dead girl as their idiotarian of the year over Michael Moore? Over anyone alive and under 70?

Sounds like LGF outnumbers Daily Kos for petty, disgusting, and hateful 30,000:1.

Mike: you're spamming.

Here's my response to your dumb comment, which you have now posted 9 times:

Rachel Corrie was a terrorist enabling member of the International Solidarity Movement, a group funded by the PLO that has been busted harboring Islamic Jihad terrorists in their offices. She was photographed burning an American flag in front of Palestinian children with a look of sheer hatred on her face. She died from her own stupidity, "protecting" smuggling tunnels that are used to bring weapons, drugs, and prostitutes into Rafah.

To compare this creature with the Americans lynched in Fallujah is the absolute height of idiocy. But nothing surprises me about the left any more.

I want the strong pills. "Mike" just posted.