You go, girlfriend. God, I love this woman.

OT Another eyewitness account in Baghdad from Firas:

Monday, April 05, 2004
Here is What I saw

As an Iraqi in Baghdad in such day I should say something about what’s going on. But I’m not going to analyze anything…..I’m going to give facts I saw and heard today and things I know about.

I started my day by attending my house building site and I talked to the ceramic worker who lives in Sader city, asked him about his friend the tiles worker who couldn’t come to work today because he lives in the same place, may be because the streets were closed.

And when I asked the man about what happened yesterday he said:

“It was bad yesterday, The Sader city people occupied all the police stations and burned one or two hummers, and they are all armed and on the houses roofs waiting to fight. But this morning the Americans entered the city without any fight with tanks as big as my house. They are ignorant people want to fight America. Master our problem is ignorance”

That was the words of a simple man from Sader city, after that we shouldn’t say they are all bad. Because if they were at work yesterday they wouldn’t be in the protest and clashes happened and this man and his friend is my evidence for that. That’s a fact we should admit, if they got a job and paid to be in it they will forget all about…….………whatever you want them to forget about, and I Am saying this because I’m familiar with it.

I left the man working to attend the bank for some business and in my way I saw:

Communication workers trying to fix phone cable….Two buses full of university students about to go to a picnic…..Traffic Police trying to enforce more order in the streets…….Teen girls walking to school……….Gardeners taking care of public squares……….Many building workers working in Mamon communication tower….People shopping.

And many other normal people and normal daily life actions. And it wasn’t in one place; it was in Bayaa area, Mansor area, Dora area, Karada area, and these about 25 % of Baghdad….. And in office there were nobody is absent they all came to work and they are from all over Baghdad. And we made many joke about what happened and we were sorry it happened.

All what we heard about the clashes was from TV (Arabiya & Jazira). I am not saying it didn’t happen, but it was exaggerated. As I said I don’t want to analyze anything yet but I wanted to tell you about what I saw.

// posted by Firas @ 8:13 AM

[Link: iraq-iraqis.blogspot.com...]

Oriana speaks, is Europe listening, or even capable of listening?

Is the book out in English yet?

fallaci rocks!

So, how many non-Islamic republics do we think will exist on that side of the Atlantic in 50 years?

Written in the blunt style that is Fallaci’s trademark, the 278-page book claims the Catholic Church keeps silent even when its symbols are offended by Muslims and before such practices as polygamy and torture.

That's why Allah loves 'em.

hopefully the books actually offers a final solution instead of just stating the obvious problems.

A must-read from a former CPA leader and Middle East expert:

One February evening, a governor from a southern province asked to see me. We met after dark at a friend's house. After pleasantries and tea, he got down to business. "The Iranians are flooding the city and countryside with money," he said. "Last month, they sent a truckload of silk carpets across the border for the tribal sheikhs. Whomever they can't buy, they threaten." The following week, I headed south to investigate. A number of Iraqis said the Iranians had channeled money through the offices of the Dawa Party, an Islamist political party, led by Governing Council member Ibrahim Jafari. On separate occasions in Baghdad and the southern city of Nasiriya, I watched ordinary Iraqis line up for handouts of money and supplies at Dawa offices. The largess seems to be having an effect: Polls indicate that Jafari is Iraq's most popular politician, enjoying a favorable rating by more than 50% of the electorate.

Link

There are now more than 15 million Muslims in Europe. Most of them from Arab/Maghreb countries. More than 6 millions are in France.

Most of these immigrants and their descendants are allienated, unemployed and not ready/willing to assimilate. There is a significant illegal immigration and obviously Muslim birth rate is at least twice that of the natives.

What will happen in 10, 15, 20 years when their numbers will double and the Europeans median age will be between 50 - 60?

Bye, bye Europe - welcome Eurabia.

Oriana used to be kinda LLL. World events made her change her mind.
Her last bok sold more than 1 million copies in France. It was a big success in Italy.
All this,; despite depereate attemps to have a book banned.
People are opening their eyes, maybe.
Let's be optimistic
Hag sameah'.

Khamenei owns Iraq.

Europe's destiny is as crocodile shit. They won't be smart enough to curtail immigration until it's way too late.

Look at Spain, ... I mean Andalusia, Allah faxes in orders. Who thinks France won't cave on the hijab issue with the largest muslim population in Europe?

#12 allah

Khamenei owns Iraq.

See what happens when you hang fly paper.

She is a gem; a national treasure, as always.

I adore Oriana Fallaci's writing. And I would guess she will have an effect.

As to solutions--I see three.
1. Just throw them out, but I cannot see Europe choosing this.
2.-- Assimilate them, but this will require some effort. You cannot offer them secular humanism and expect more than a tiny minority to bite. Christianity is very weak in Europe, and it is hopeless to expect Jews to proselytize. One idea would be to impose a dhimmi tax. The logic would be that followers of islam are frequent abusers of insurance. A separate set of insurance rates by religion would probably impose a sufficient tax to motivate most muslims to convert to something else. -- It would have an internal logic in that the muslims would support their own fraud instead of spreading it across the economy. The same could be done for welfare taxes.
3. Is there another possible solution, besides surrender?

This map could and should have been an illustration in Fallaci's book:
Europe in 2015.

#16 levi from queens

Is there another possible solution, besides surrender?

Yes, but Europe usually reserves this treatment for Jews.

We have a sneaky bastard among us, planting extreme comments on purpose.

Comment #8 above, from "Jess," was posted by a person who has been planting these little bombs all over LGF, using the names "Jess," "Samuel," "My Pol," "Alex," "ted," "chris," and "bob."

This creep is now banned.

I truly hope Oriana takes special measures for her safety.

Colt (#9)
Thanks very much for that link.

You go, Oriana! I love her stuff. . .

Unfortunately, like myself, Orianna Fallaci is a voice from deep in the past. It is a voice from the days when there was a place called "Christendom." Europe has lost its soul, and as we all know "Power Abhors a Vacuum." The islamic hordes are swarming all over Europe without a single crumb of respect for the natives, thier culture, thier laws, customs, religion, or ANYTHING.

Their bloody claws are tightening around the throat of a sleeping Europe.

This is what multiculturalism and soft-headed euro-socialism has wrought.

Limp-wristed leftism has now come full-circle and enthusiastically embraced the virulent Anti-Semitism of the Nazis in order to please thier Islamic masters.

Europe has a chance to wake up and shake this disgusting infection, but they will have to do it fast. Demography and time are against them.

Anyone who still believes that islam is somehow "morally equivalent" with Judaism or Christianity need only look it in the eye to see the truth.

God Bless Orianna Fallaci, Alarm Clock of Italy.

Fallaci is a tough old bird. This is worth going back to re-read, from just after 9/11

#22 Martel

It's almost already too late. Look at birth rates of any European country (try Germany for starters) compared to muslim birth rates anywhere. They'll outbreed you then claim a majority and therefore the right to institute
Sharia law.

Thanks Charles for banning that troll Jess #8.

I was tempted to respond to his inflamatory remarks, but I calmed down and remembered not to feed the trolls.

Fallaci!...a name like that needs to be made into a verb, adjective, or exclamation.

I looked up info on the author through yahoo, and found a negative article on Lew Rockwell's web site:

[Link: www.lewrockwell.com...]

Apparently, she's an example of the neo-conservative virus that is spreading all over the world.

If only.

Guess which side of history these paleos are on?

One idea would be to impose a dhimmi tax. The logic would be that followers of islam are frequent abusers of insurance. A separate set of insurance rates by religion would probably impose a sufficient tax to motivate most muslims to convert to something else. --

You really think the UN would allow such "human rights abuses"?

We have a sneaky bastard among us, planting extreme comments on purpose.

Thanks for being on top of things like that.

To #22...

You are so right my friend...Europe needs to regain its Judeo/Christian Soul...and quickly...secularism will get run over in a minute by Islam...we need inspiration to fight this cult known as Islam...

God Help Europe!!

And God Bless Ms. Falluci...though a secularist herself, she also see's the need for the Church to awaken to fight Islam...

I hope she has bodygaurds...what a great Lady...

Thanks

I read her book 'The Rage and The Pride.' She pulls no punches on her scathing distain for the islamist shitting all over europe and how the politicians there are just submitting to it like the good dhimis that they are.She surely IS a national treasure!

Tell it like it is Oriana and thanks!

[Link: www.borg.com...]

The new front line in the War with militan Islam.

Mo'Hawgs! rotflamo!!

[Link: 64.233.167.104...]

'Pig-brigade' to guard settlements

Wednesday 29 October 2003, 2:21 Makka Time, 23:21 GMT

Swine sense of smell is said to be several times better than dogs'

In a strange twist to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, plans are under way to use pigs to guard illegal Jewish settlements against resistance attacks.

Want a good read? Try Fallaci's The Man.

To: a reader-- I do think the U.N. would allow for insurance rates to be set by subgroups of the population, including religious groups.

Further when has the U.N. ever successfully forbidden anything?

It struck me today when I saw that car insurance rates in Brooklyn are 25% higher than queens and almost double Manhattan. Brooklyn is the home of NYC's muslims. (also its Russians who may similarly indulge in insurance fraud-- and surely other groups which I cannot name from lack of knowledge) In fact car registration in NYC has fallen materially in the last year, apparently entirely because of insurance-- and Brooklyn has the largest problem.

She's an extraordinary woman. I bought her book The Rage and the Pride. I think she makes you guys look like wimps vis-a-vis Islam and European governments.

To--32 Dan Kauffman--Go pigs!!

30 Proud Albertan

There are many who think that the only way to fight this parasite of Islam is by turning to religion viz for Europe to finds its Christian roots. This may be true if Islam is considered to be religion in the true sense of the word.
However Islam is a political ideology masquerading as a religion and as such has to be nuetered in the political arena. I have faith in the secular form of society that has come out of the post-Christian world. It is immensely powerful and does not suffer from the disadvantage that modern Christianity has when it comes to dealing harshly with enemies.

BTW, just saw "Dawn of the Dead" and couldnt help thinking of people who love death. Or am I being too farfetched.

I ♥ La Fallaci, she rocks! She was the first European after 9/11 to tell it like it is.

I've read The Man and The Rage and The Pride. She went through quite an awakening after 9/11. God bless her.

If Europe would just cut off their welfare, entitlements, half their problems would leave. Last I read, France had 9% unemployment, yet within muslim communities it's around 60%. However, I don't think Europe wants rid itself of its muslim problem.

#33 Roger L. Simon

Try Fallaci's The Man.

I've read it. About Alexandros Panagoulis. She's a legend.

Finally, she is out again! I hope she is doing well and that she is very careful-you never know (or maybe you do) what those people are capable of. Being an atheist of a Jewish, descent, I would much rather see a statue of ten commendements next to the court than a mosque made out of the court. Christianity was barbaric hundreds of years ago, so was Islam. Christianity moved on into the 21 century, Islam stayed in the 14th. Go figure.

I like Fallaci a lot---but I can't resist the gag (excuse the expression): Oral-Anna Fellacio?

"while two other associations have requested that it carry a warning"

So what the warning be?
"Danger! The enclosed material will not pander to your self-inflated sense of self."

Or maybe just "Contains adult material. Appeasniks need not read."

Remember all the "I Believe You Anita" bumper stickers
the leftists had on their cars during the confirmation hearings for Clarence Thomas? Well, I want an "I BELIEVE YOU ORIANA!" bumper sticker, although, sadly most Americans probably wouldn't get the reference.

Well, if the Euros would stop eating their lotuses and get to the tough, civilizing task of actually bearing and rearing children, they could prolong their prosperity without having to sell their culture for a song.

Too much to ask, though, I guess.

Falacci on Anti-Semitism:

I find it shameful that so many Italians and so many Europeans have chosen as a role model Mister-and I use the word advisedly-Arafat, this nonentity who, thanks to the money of the Saudi royal family, acts like Mussolini in perpetuity and in his megalomania believes he will go down in history as the George Washington of Palestine. This uneducated man who, when I interviewed him, could not even put together a complete sentence, an articulate thought. Therefore, to put a piece together, to write it, to publish it, is such a hard ordeal that one concludes that, compared to Arafat, even (Libyan leader) Gadhafi becomes Leonardo da Vinci. This fake warrior who always goes around in uniform like Pinochet, who never wears civilian clothes, and yet who has never participated in a single battle. He leaves war, and has always left war, to others, in other words, to those unfortunate ones who believe in him. This pompous incompetent who, playing the role of head of state, caused the failure of the Camp David negotiations and the mediation efforts of Clinton. "No, no, I want all of Jerusalem to myself." This eternal liar who has a flash of sincerity only when (in private) he denies Israel's right to exist, and who, as I wrote in my book, lies every five seconds.

Read the whole thing!

Oriana Fallaci on Anti-Semitism

I am sorry for my church that has not stood against the Islamic tide. I hope the next pope is from Africa ( a distinct possibility) a continent that is in the thick of the war, pulled on a basic level between Christians and Muslims. Such a pope would understand the true danger, and while Europe has different symptoms, the disease is the same, and a dose of the right medicine would reach even the cities of (shudder) Eurabia.

Re: #8 from "Jess" & BANNING

I'm not shilling for Charles, but I think it would behoove all of us to realize that LGF may soon come under even more concerted attacks. We could help Charles in two ways. First, a financial donation of any amount. Charles is not a one man army, and LGF is *extremely* important for the struggle. Secondly, by being alert to the type of extremist rhetoric which got "Jess" appropriately banned. If I were trying to discredit thie enlightening blog, I would function as an agent provocateur of the most odious sort. I would instigate genocidal suggestion formulas (i.e. "final solution") in the hopes of getting enough murderous quotations to make all sorts of mischief for LGF. After the Kos Affair, I expect this is high on the Democratic Underground's agenda. They've as much as said so by calling us "Little Green Nazis."
This doesn't mean self censorship, merely a more precise use of language. I, personally, think Islam is a demonic entification which should be either eradicateed or radically transformed. However, I'm careful about how I communicate that verity.

#47 mpax

Cardinal Arinze? A good choice. I just hope that since he's in the interreligious dialogue circle that not too much PC illogic has affected his judgment.

However, I think that the Italians will one one of their own after 25+ years.

#3

YES!

We are here. We are listening. Some of us are not dhimmis yet.

I'm not surprised that they tried to stop distribution of the book. After all, telling the truth is not PC nowadays. Better to pretend that the emperor is parading in his finest garb than to let on that he is naked and his hidden bits aren't really impressive!!

I don't think the U.S. will be able to stand by and watch while Europe becomes Eurabia. That would put the Islamists in control of countries with advanced military technology, including France's nuclear weapons and their many nuclear reactors. That would be a clear threat to our national security, and under the Bush Doctrine could well be grounds for a pre-emptive attack.

#53 I feel more pessimistic than you. It is no longer P.C. to resist moral equivalence.

After I drop the kiddo off at asilo I'm heading to the bookshop to pick up her book. She is always an excellent read and I'm positive last night's "debate" on Rai Due will inspire others to get a copy as well. The debate was on many parts - is her book inspiring hatred? Do Moderate Muslims really exist? And if so where? Is this a crusade we're dealing with? Italy becoming part of Eurabia? Some call in guest debaters as well, I didn't know the show was on till my hubby yelled (I was online here actually) that some EU politio type was claiming that Israel bombs schools and hospitals daily and that's why the Palis do what they do *rollyeyes*. As much as Italian political debates annoy me, they also amuse. The persecution of not only Jews but the Christians, ongoing today was brought up, numbers, video clips etc. Parodi's daughter was on arguing that persecution was part of being a Christain (she is as worthless as her father) and they (missionarys at the like) have always been killed for their beliefs (sorta like saying hey Abu! Me next me next! you know?) where Mussolini's granddaughter was on ready to close down the mosques and kick em all out. I guess what suprised me the most was even though it was a Rai production the rightwing sentiment ruled (big sigh of relief). It is high time Italia woke the hell up, I fear it will take a Madrid-style wake up call though. I've no idea if transcripts are available, will check later.

In other news North African immigrants are whining to the media because they can't find locals who will rent apartments to them anymore.

#48 Frisco Patriot
You are right about #8, and I was congratulating Charles aloud from behind my monitor for banning him because the "final solution" in his post also made me cringe.

#48 Frisco Patriot
As for precise use of language, I have to say that English is not my mother tongue. Therefore, I should check the exact meaning of words before using them. By "cringe" I meant felt uneasy with the expression and am not sure it is the meaning of "cringe" :-)

#37   DP
... This may be true if Islam is considered to be religion in the true sense of the word. However Islam is a political ideology masquerading as a religion

You're halfway there. Islam is NOT a religion. Islam is not even a political ideology. It is, for lack of a flashier or more precise term, a lifestyle. A manner of thinking. A way of existing. The primary features of this lifestyle and manner of thinking are:
• A complete abandonment of personal responsibility
• The glorification of self-imposed ignorance
• Total submission to group-think and mob behavior
• An unshakable conviction that women are lesser beings than men
• The embrace of violence as a "cleansing" ritual
• The rejection of the morals and philosophies of all other cultures
• Virulent cliquishness.

In many ways, Islam functions as a cult -- a massive, global cult with a billion members. It is this cultishness that has earned Islam the generally accepted moniker of "religion," because in the Western view, a cult with a lot of members becomes a religion. But even many leading imams and mullahs have themselves said that Islam is not a religion, but rather a manner of living. It is only Westerners who came along and dubbed this lifestyle a "religion." That's just us imposing our inaccurate designation on something that was beyond our grasp.

Because we have in the US the principle of "Freedom of Religion," we as a nation are hesitant to declare total war on Islam, as such an action would seem to go against our principles. But what would have happened if the 1940s American media had portrayed Nazism and Hitler-worship as a "religion"? (In many ways, Nazism was more like a religion than Islam, to be frank.) Would we have hesitated to attack Germany? Would our moral sensibilities have prevented us from denying the Germans their freedom of religion? The question seems absurd -- since Nazism wasn't a religion. Yet it is no more absurd than what is happening today. Islam is happily hiding behind the immunity from criticism that it earns from being ridiculously dubbed a "religion" by the majority of the West. Muslims know this designation is untrue, and furthermore feel that our principle of freedom of religion is patenly absurd. But they are more than glad to take advantage of our naivité, as simply one more weapon in their multi-front war against us.

The time has come for the West to wake up and realize we're not in a religious war: we're in a war of ideologies against a group that possesses none of our moral sensibilities and which will stop at nothing to subjugate the entire planet. They have little chance of succeeding, but they intend to cause as much misery as possible in the attempt.

zombie #57:

The notion of "abd" (slave) "ul-lah" (of god/allah) pervades in the muslim hadith. The purpose of the islamic cult is: the obliteration of every aspect of human freedom. That is why islamic states are the cultural cess pools of the world. Only where [bigoted word]s diverge from the slave-cult and embrace a measure of Secularism, do they achieve anything. They need to be written out of the book of civilized life.

A muslim is a warrior against freedom. It is not worth a single American life to nation-build for these filthy [bigoted word]s. We should be destroying all of their abd-allah' cultural objects. That is why I advocate nuking Karbala, Qom, Mecca, Medina, Riyadh, Kandahar, Peshawar and Fallujah. (Of course, once civilized peoples are evacuated from same).

CUT OFF THE HEAD OF THE ISLAMOFASCIST SNAKE, AND THE DISEASED BODY DIES. UNTIL MUSLIM PIGS ARE DE-PROGRAMED, THINK OF THEM AS: ANTI-HUMANS. STARVE AND BOMB THE JIHAD OUT OF THE SAVAGES.

Mark Steyn has some words on the EU report that claims that young white males are responsible for most of the anti-semitic attacks in Europe

Fortunately, there are still a few genuine satirists around - for example, the chaps who put together the EU report on rising anti-Semitism. "The largest group of the perpetrators of anti-Semitic activities appears to be young, disaffected white Europeans," said the official summary, introducing us to the concept of Euromaths. If you troubled yourself to look inside, it turned out that some nine per cent of anti-Semitic attacks were by young white males. The remaining 91 per cent were by... well, let's not get into that. In the EU, nine per cent is enough to make you the "largest group". One day, there will be only one tattooed knuckle-dragging white skinhead left on the continent. But he'll single-handedly be officially responsible for the majority of anti-Semitic attacks.

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

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camel prophet, zombie

I saw "Dawn of the dead" and couldnt fail to notice certain similarities with the present situation.

In the movie, we have some people who have locked themselves up in a mall, which has all the goodies of life, while a whole pile of zombies are beseiging the mall to get in. For mall, one can read the West with Islamozombies flocking to get in, to get at the goodies, while at the same time, killing those who made the mall in the first place.

Then again, the walking dead are somewhat like Islamists who are in love with death. The zombies in the movie were walking about the mall car park looking for humans to kill and reminded me of Islamists after Friday prayers outside the mosque in Jerusalem.

Yikes!!.
---
Zombie, CP

I have been aware of the depradation of Islam for more then 30 years, long before anyone had thought of Islam as a threat. Islam is the worst kind of parasite. Camel prophet and I are in total agreement for a long time. The question is how to eradicate it? It is on this basis that I wrote that we need to atttack Islam on the secular political front rather then the religious.

Modern Christianity is fundamentalist Christianity ie it has gone back to the pacifist teachings of Jesus. Now it is possible that love conquers more effectively then war, but only in certain circumstances. Gandhi in India, King in the US, could use the teachings of Jesus to change society. But that was possible only because both the British and Americans, were civilised societies. Gandhi and King would have no purchase in a society ruled by Nazis or an alien Japanese one. Nazism or Japanese militarism could not be eradicated by Christian love and compassion. For these nasty ideologies it was necessary to use merciless war. And the secular state can do this, as it has no moral and divinely ordained precepts of love and compassion that guide it, as Christianity has. The secular state OTH has only one precept and that is, to ensure its own survival. The secular state can wage merciless war and after winning, can change the government and absolve itself of any responsibilty for gruesome acts by the previous wartime government. The secular state can wage war on a 'religion' such as Islam without being accused of entering into a religious war, as would happen if we waged war on Islam from a Christian standpoint. Thus to some degree, I do not like the idea of GWB promoting faith based communities. Faith based communities favour Islamic communities as they are geared for war, while disadvantaging Christians, Jews and other communities, which are not, and would find it philosophically difficult to become one.

That does not mean that Christianity has no role to play. It does, but a secondary one that confuses the enemy as to which ideological front the war is coming from.

Camel prophet advocates the expulsion of Muslims from the West. Agreed, as this is the only way to save civilisation. The long term future for our civilisation is bleak, as Muslim populations grow remorselessly. Soon enough and possibly within our lifetime, we are likely to see Bosnias, Kashmirs, Lebanons etc breaking out in the West. There is no doubt in my mind that this going to happen.

So the question is how to rid ourselves of this contagion. Denmark is taking the right steps. The hijab ban in France is a particularly good one, as it attacks the ideology where it is most vulnerable, ie its control of the minds of young girls. Remember that the frontline soldiers of Islam are not the Jihadis who blow up but muslim women in the West. So what needs to be done is to make the practise of Islam increasingly difficult in the West. Both Denmark and France have taken the attack to the enemy right into its heart and that along secular lines. Neither can be accused of waging a religious war. They may be accused by Muslims but the rest of the population in the West will not see it that way and does not That is important.

A courageous woman. A woman who used to be on the ledt but has seen the light. How long before a fatwa is issued aginst her?

Reading about this new book reminds me of her book "The Pride and the Rage." I'll have to write this one down and wait for it to come out in English. This is one woman to whom Europe should, but won't, listen.

Come to think of it, this is one woman to whom our governmental leaders should, but won't, listen. Heaven forfend they do what should listen to the truth and do what's correct.

As Lileks says, if you were to put Oriana Fallaci's brain inside Monica Bellucci's skull, "entire religions would arise to worship such a being."

To save the west from Islam, we need to build and maintain a west worth saving and whose values are worth coveting.

Currently we have an epidemic of fatherlessness in the west, producing violent crime, delinquency and spiraling ignorance. Our universities produce slogan-spouting idiots. Our justices believe they can make the law and our politicians believe they're above it. One could go on but we're all living with this decline.

I also see other nationalities and religions are looking on to take advantage of America's perceived weakness. Far from protecting those most vulnerable, most non-western cultures, Asian, Indian etc., see such benignant behavior as something to be exploited. NKr is a prime example.

Unless the west smartens up at home at trumpets its achievements abroad, it will die. Oriana Fallaci alerts us to but one of the futures we face.

Neither Amazon nor Barnes & Noble.com is listing the title. Has the release in Europe preceeded the release in the US?

#62 Tyson

I think that's about as good as it would get in this life!

Thanks so much for introducing me to the wisdom of Oriana Fallaci! I plan to buy two of her books ASAP. (I am surprised that a fatwa has not yet been issued on her.)

BTW, I'm also very glad to have happened upon LGF, a bastion of reason and logic in an ever-increasingly insane world. I do have a question, though: If I am new here, how do I avoid being considered a "troll"?

I have comments about Fallaci, who has been a heroine of mine for decades, on my blog.

I wish she would post on LGF sometime.

I have a big problem with the wrong-headed math the Euros use about immigration. Their own history shows great leaps forward after population declines caused by the Black Death. Look at China today after an extended period of population growth control. Look at post-war Japan ditto and the same goes for India which is not using such draconian methods to limit population but still has managed to exert some control. The point is that Islam in Europe does not contribute workers but welfare consumers so instead of solving a worker shortage problem it is creating more of the same. Furthermore economic growth today depends on brains more than brawn and not to put too fine a point on it the Islamic world does not produce cerebral power. Finally, the Europeans hate and scorn the Islamics so why they don't send them all back where they came from is a great mystery to me.

I m sry for having to say it to you my friends (I m not sarcastic with this), but your imagination of european reality is very close to be as true as the common european view on usa here.

lets read fallaci, but stop fantasize about terrorizing muslim imigrants!

some comments at this topic really made me sick (e.g. #16-18), you can call me what you want.

#66 Logic

Just think before you post.

even if you disagree with soemthing charles has posted, avoid arrogant language that excludes rational debate.

Even when someone can't can't others to agree with him (and the regulars on LGF rarely unanimously agree on anything) you can at least be respected.

--and if someone else here disagrees by being immature or name-calling, stay cool. (Sometimes I just don't express myself clearly and others think I'm disagreeing with them when I am!)

Oriana Fallaci's eloquent writing is thought to exaggerate reality by those in denial of it. To them I suggest consideration of the possibility that the magnitude of fundamentalist Islamic evil might be beyond our imagination.

Our world views are heavily influenced by the collective hopes of Western Civilization. Those hopes are a filter that colors our perceptions.

We hope that the unimaginable genocide perpetrated in centuries past could not possibly represent any significant part of modern Islam. We guard our hopes by turning away from the horrors of Muslim exultation over 9/11 and the slaughter of Israeli women and children.

Consider for a moment that the evil is actually worse than our hope-clouded imaginations can fathom. Consider their previous extermination of entire cultures and nationalities, and the mountain ranges (over time) of massacred infidel bodies across vast areas of our planet from Algeria to the Hindu Kush to Indonesia. Who can imagine the tens of millions of those victims? Yet that is the unimaginable reality of history.

Oriana Fallaci writes from well-travelled wisdom, and beautifully understates her case in a way that does not overly jar sheltered minds. We are only beginning to awaken from our self-induced slumber.

#72 Zack

Very well explained and startlingly clear!Thanks!

I've read that Churchill was despised by his own people for years when he warned them continually about Hitler before all hell broke loose.

The circumstances the world is in today are of a progressively worse kind.
Certainly not beyond description,but for many,definately beyond belief.

Does anyone know where this book can be bought (in Us/Canada) ? Amazon does not seem to have it.

TIA

rod mcBan (74)

I've been looking all around for it myself and so far I can only find online bookstores in Italy that will ship it to the U.S. Cost after shipping and EU-$ conversion is about $31 (comes out to € 25), so it's rather pricey. Here are the stores I found that carry it:

[Link: www.unilibro.com...]
[Link: www.internetbookshop.it...]

(pricier shipping:) [Link: www.ita-bol.com...]

All are in Italian, couldn't find any more information on when it would be translated. I did find some idiots whining, bitching, and moaning about the book though. In fact, its in no short supply.